hummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 2764 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9806 times:
In our 25th thread, we will highlight the services of US LCC carrier Air Tran who recently inaugurated 3 flights in one day to Montego Bay..
AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings (NYSE: AAI), is a low-fare airline designed for business travelers, offering Business class, new planes with XM Satellite Radio and EasyFit Overhead Bins, assigned seats, and our accommodating frequent flier program A+ Rewards.AirTran has been ranked the number one low cost carrier in the Airline Quality Rating study for the past two years and is the recipient of the prestigious 2010 Market Leadership Award from Air Transport World. AirTran Airways' mix of low fares and an affordable Business Class with excellent customer service and one of the world's youngest all-Boeing fleets has continued to strike a chord with the public.
People said an airline couldn't be all these things.
AirTran Airways continued success has proven them wrong.
The airline continues to expand their team of quality people, and remains dedicated to providing the safest, most comfortable flights possible. AirTran Airways continues to maintain steady, sustainable growth based on a long-term vision and solid plan.
In Dec 2009, AirTran started a bi weekly chartered services from MKE with flights operating on Sun and Thurs..On Feb 11,2010 AirTran inaugurated daily services from BWI and ATL and 4weekly flights from MCO..
The schedule are as follow:
ATL
Atlanta-Montego Bay 728 12:55 p.m. 3:10 p.m...Daily
Montego Bay -Atlanta 729 1:09 p.m. 4:06 p.m... Daily
BWI
Baltimore/Washington-Montego Bay 500 8:55 a.m. 12:19 p.m... Daily
In true Jamaican style, Tourism Minister, Mr Ed Bartlett was present to greet the pax from all three inaugural flights..According to Mr Bartlett, Airtran is a welcomed addition to the tourism industry and it represents a major boost in increasing airlift to Jamaica...
Well gentlemen the reason why I asked the question is because of what happened last night with the PM saying their business plan is flawed. I really hope they make their plan public and maybe we can examine it and come to a reasonable conclusion.
But there are many now in both Business, Tourism and travel that are not really supporting the JALPA's approach to be put in the front of the line when they had a lot of time to find financing and a sound business plan. I have been told that since the PM made his statement last night, some staff members don't like the idea of JALPA using some of their redundancy money to finance JM in their plan.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 240):
The PM has a right to say to the public why he cannot entertain JALPA's bid, what I do wish is that they make their plan public for all to read since they want to get the public to buy into their bid.
There is also a nice article today, while this person is somewhat against CAL owning JM, he understands the business reason. Most importantly he has said the JALPA is too late and took unbridged to their public cry for support. http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/Wignall-feb-18_7429824
hummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 2764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9943 times:
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 1): There is also a nice article today, while this person is somewhat against CAL owning JM, he understands the business reason. Most importantly he has said the JALPA is too late and took unbridged to their public cry for support.
This sentiment has been taken a step further with The PNPYO pubicly calling for a boycott of the divestment..
"The government has been treating the workers of Air Jamaica with scant regard which is reminiscent of the way that they've treated all the other worker including teachers, nurses etc. We believe that the people of this country should therefore take affirmative action as it relates to what the government is doing and how they're doing it and boycott Caribbean Airlines if Air Jamaica is sold to it," he said. http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/25108/26/
JALPA has now stated, it is in a position to capitalise JM..
I observe that FL is rotating their aircraft in a similar manner to US's operation at MBJ where the BWI-MBJ flight turn around and operate the MBJ - ATL leg and the ATL-MBJ in turn operate MBJ-BWI.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2): This sentiment has been taken a step further with The PNPYO pubicly calling for a boycott of the divestment..
JALPA has now stated, it is in a position to capitalise JM..
Would really be good if the JALPA is able to form their own national carrier if all else fails. Then again Mr. Golding seem set on ensuring stumbling blocks are already in their way , even if they should take that route based on one of the conditions on the current proposal with regards to designated '' national carrier ''. Also there is still the issue of the current Open Skies Agreement. Eagerly waiting to see how this will play out and will be glad when it is all over.
This article detail Mr. Capleton's background a bit and his historical association with the national carrier. Also Mr. Capleton commented on JM's history under Mr. Stewart's leadership and the options some of the current cockpit staff may have to exercise in the future.
'' Capleton has witnessed years of turbulence at the airline, but says there was a time when things were going well.
"I believe the (Gordon 'Butch') Stewart period was good because it brought the airline back on time and there was a good feeling among staff," he said. "It was bad the way it ended."
Well we all know how that part of JM's history played out. Mr. Stewart did an excellent job at re branding the airline and building back customer loyalty but the way in which it was operated resulted in it accumulating millions more in debt, in addition to what improper management and lack of proper capitalization in previous years had already created.
'' Capleton says JALPA's members plan to form their own airline if their Air Jamaica bid fails. If that does not work out, he says many of his colleagues would be forced to look overseas for work.
"The pay would be twice as much as here, but it would be unfortunate because home is where we all want to be," he said. ''
a340Jamaica From Jamaica, joined Nov 2008, 429 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4):
Would really be good if the JALPA is able to form their own national carrier if all else fails. Then again Mr. Golding seem set on ensuring stumbling blocks are already in their way , even if they should take that route based on one of the conditions on the current proposal with regards to designated '' national carrier ''. Also there is still the issue of the current Open Skies Agreement. Eagerly waiting to see how this will play out and will be glad when it is all over.
If they sign that clause about sole national carrier status, I will never use CAL under any conditions. I am already planning to vote against them in the next elections irrespective of the outcome of this whole process.
caribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2423 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
Nothing more to add to the forum, this whole topic has been exhausted, we all have to wait until March 31st when both the GOJ and CAL make their final announcement with regards to their proceeding of this sale.
beeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1638 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9543 times:
Quoting a340Jamaica (Reply 11): Quoting JMBWEEBOY (Reply 7):
Sometimes people turn out to be their own worst enemy
JMBWEEBOY
In terms of what JMBWEEBOY? Just curious about that statement!!
In that when people step forward to take help out you push them away and when you stumble and fall you blame them for everything.
If JALPA wanted to do all they want to do now why did they not step to the plate when Indigo was the front runner because I am certain JM would have gotten less than what they are getting now from BW and they should have been just outraged at that time with Idigo as they are with BW.
a340Jamaica From Jamaica, joined Nov 2008, 429 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9523 times:
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 12):
In that when people step forward to take help out you push them away and when you stumble and fall you blame them for everything.
If JALPA wanted to do all they want to do now why did they not step to the plate when Indigo was the front runner because I am certain JM would have gotten less than what they are getting now from BW and they should have been just outraged at that time with Idigo as they are with BW.
I am confused!! Help you out? CAL saw a potential business opportunity and is attempting to capitalize on it because they realize that they probably need to be bigger to survive. In my opinion, Jamaica is not gaining much under the terms as proposed in the non-binding agreement and it would be all the same whether JM shut down or CAL takes over. My view is that if JM shut down, eventually the void would be filled as there seems to be no shortage of persons willing to sink money into the pit that is civil air transport. As I have stated in several other threads, some under a different forum like energy, unlike many here, I do not hold a favourable long term view of civil air transport because of its energy intensity and I knew, emotions aside that JM would eventually have to go, just like others will in succeeding years.
Myself and many others were similarly outraged at the Spirit proposal. Go back through the threads and check if you so desire. I used terms like disaster etc. when describing that deal. Just what exactly is JM getting from BW. I have not heard how much they are putting into the operation
hummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 2764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9430 times:
Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4): I observe that FL is rotating their aircraft in a similar manner to US's operation at MBJ where the BWI-MBJ flight turn around and operate the MBJ - ATL leg and the ATL-MBJ in turn operate MBJ-BWI.
Pretty Impressive..I expect to see an increase from ATL for the winter...
Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4): Would really be good if the JALPA is able to form their own national carrier if all else fails. Then again Mr. Golding seem set on ensuring stumbling blocks are already in their way , even if they should take that route based on one of the conditions on the current proposal with regards to designated '' national carrier ''. Also there is still the issue of the current Open Skies Agreement. Eagerly waiting to see how this will play out and will be glad when it is all over.
Well according to this article, The GOJ has agreed to give national carrier status in their non-binding agreement...
Quote: Effective as of the consummation of the closing, the Jamaican government has agreed that 'Caribbean Airlines shall be the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica and, in this regard, will not request designation of national carrier status for any other air carrier for as long as the Jamaican operations maintain a minimum level of service and meet certain other criteria, which in each case will be set forth in the definitive agreements'.
A dumb move..So basically they fear there are possibilities,The JALPA or any other local entity may start their own carrier which would ultimately cannibalize their services..I don't see why Mr Golding would want to restrict the local avaition industry, yet he is willing to Open the Skies to overseas carriers..
Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4): '' Capleton says JALPA's members plan to form their own airline if their Air Jamaica bid fails. If that does not work out, he says many of his colleagues would be forced to look overseas for work.
The reality of the situation is unlike 2-3 years ago, Gulf Carriers are flooded with applications...There is now an excess of pilots on the market and the culture in the Gulf is not as rosy as percieved...
Quoting a340Jamaica (Reply 9): I am already planning to vote against them in the next elections irrespective of the outcome of this whole process.
You realise how he has chastised the pilots for using their emotions to decieve Jamaicans...Mr Golding should take note of this statement as these same words "emotions" and "sentiments" will haunt him during the next election..
Quoting a340Jamaica (Reply 11): In terms of what JMBWEEBOY? Just curious about that statement!!
Let me ask you about this and it is not related to your post but JALPA indicated earlier in the week that should they fail in there efforts to wrestled JM from the government and is prevented from forming there own airlines its membership will be moving oversees to seek employment as they will earn twice the amount what they are currently getting. I think the intent is to move to South Africa or to the Middle East as historically those are the regions that you will find JM pilots.
If that is the case is there a pool of pilots that are not employed to JM which will form the basis on under which Caribbean Airlines can recruit?
I am not sure if the training school is still in operation at Tinson Pen which was the base that most JM pilots got there start.
But, since you are in the field what impact will the decision of JALPA to move oversees have on CAL in there attempt to recruit experienced and qualified pilots.
A good job of bring this thread up HB and I see you are focusing on a new entrant - Airtran.
Am not a fan of these LCC I tend to stay away from them but only under extra ordinary circumstances you would get to see me use them.
But it is good to see them adding capacity to MBJ but I am some what weary of these sudden expansion but once the market condition is no longer favorable they will pull out and leave just like that.
Since they announced there intention late last year I have been following the reports on there performance which I might add is quite impressive as so far it is only the LCC that are showing profits.
Understandable, there unit cost of operation is quite low.
But, LCC is not my mode of transport.
Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4): Would really be good if the JALPA is able to form their own national carrier if all else fails. Then again Mr. Golding seem set on ensuring stumbling blocks are already in their way , even if they should take that route based on one of the conditions on the current proposal with regards to designated '' national carrier ''. Also there is still the issue of the current Open Skies Agreement. Eagerly waiting to see how this will play out and will be glad when it is all over.
The interview here is quite good as it gives up the back ground as to where these guys are coming from.
I made reference to the statement that JALPA has made that they intent to go oversees if there attempt at running JM is failed because they will earn twice the amount what they are currently earning now/
Well, it is obvious to me that money is at the heart of these guys effort.
I think they have done a good job of riding the patriotic sentiments which any political party in Jamaica would be envious of.
Come on, no politician can do what these pilots have done - rally the people to one cause.
But, it is obvious that money here is issue.
I think the pilots waited till they heard about what is being propose as they knew all along that JM was going to go.
But, the unfavorable terms that have emerged from Indigo and now Trinidad have spurred them into action.
The fight here is all about job security.
Captain Capelton is talking about how much the pilots would rather stay home in Jamaica.
I think JALPA knows that there quality of lifestyle is being eroded once this new operation comes online.
JM079 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2008, 2245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9275 times:
I am happy to see the debate in Jamaica has taken on a healthy tone and people are now looking at the request of Caribbean Airlines to gain national carrier status as well as exclusivity of being Jamaica's only carrier.
Last week, business writer at the Jamaica Observer revealed the content of the request from Trinidad which we highlighted in the last thread. The comments from us had varied sentiments which was to be expected.
....."It is imperative that the prime minister clarify the Government's position on the designation of national-carrier status for Caribbean Airlines prior to the signing of binding legal agree-ments in the next few weeks. ..."
KEITH COLLISTER, another financial analyst has taken by the subject with respect to the proposals from Trinidad and has declare that "Jamaica cannot afford to make any company an exclusive national carrier .
....."We should support Caribbean airlines coming here (as they should want to as Jamaica effectively doubles the size of their potential market) but not at the price of an exclusive agreement that blocks the entrance of either future Jamaican investors (the pilots or whoever else can come up with the money) or another airline prepared to headquarter themselves here and provide local jobs and tax revenues. The best thing for Jamaica's tourism industry (not to mention our diaspora) is the lower fares from unrestricted competition....."
THE debate on the divestment is a healthy sign of good democracy as it allows people to voice there views and object to things that they thing are not good for the country.
JM079 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2008, 2245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9266 times:
Roderick Rainford, the former Secretary General of CARICOM ( A Jamaican) has made his views know on the current debate that is taking place within Jamaica about the JM.
Mr Rainford is concerned about ....."the visceral hostility on the part of some to the possibility of Trinidadian/Caribbean Airlines ownership, without regard to any other consideration".
The person is more than qualify to air such views due to there unique position in the past.
Even though his views are well respected and must be taken quite seriously the issue that he has highlighted is simply not "one sided".
Jamaicans does have substantial fear of engaging Trinidad as on several occasions that country has reneged on several agreements with the most recent being the LNG Agreements.
The two other famous reneging of agreements are the sugar deal of 1979 and the bauxite deal of 1974.
......"Whatever the objective pros and cons may be regarding Jamaican or non-Jamaican ownership of the airline, one finds deeply disturbing the almost visceral hostility on the part of some to the possibility of Trinidadian/Caribbean Airlines ownership, as such, without regard to any other consideration. It is curious that similar hostility was not shown to the interest of the non-regional foreign bidder that was in the queue ahead of Caribbean Airlines- but admittedly, there seems to be a tendency in all or most regional countries to favour extra-CARICOM over intra-CARICOM interests. This attitude is one of a piece with similar disquiet in some quarters over the entry in recent times of Trinidadian and other CARICOM capital and management into various sectors of the Jamaican economy. It is useful to ask whether Jamaica has been the worse for this.
Government of JAMAICA:
The Gleaner has taken the GoJ to task for the recent out burst from the Prime Minister with respect to his statement from Jamaica House in which he revealed that the JALPA business plan is flawed.
Bruce Golding action is being questioned as it runs counter to the position that he would only deal with Caribbean Airlines and only engage JALPA if there was a break down in talks with Trinidad.
...."As it now stands, the pilots and their supporters can properly claim that their position has been prejudiced by Mr Golding precipitous utterance.
BTW: The editorial from the Gleaner does echo my sentiments and I questioned Mr Golding personal character as in the past he has demonstrated poor leadership.
AirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9257 times:
Quoting a340Jamaica (Reply 9): If they sign that clause about sole national carrier status, I will never use CAL under any conditions. I am already planning to vote against them in the next elections irrespective of the outcome of this whole process.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14): Well according to this article, The GOJ has agreed to give national carrier status in their non-binding agreement...
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14): A dumb move..So basically they fear there are possibilities,The JALPA or any other local entity may start their own carrier which would ultimately cannibalize their services..I don't see why Mr Golding would want to restrict the local avaition industry, yet he is willing to Open the Skies to overseas carriers..
Even so I highly doubt that this will really herald the end of the '' Soap Opera '' unfortunately. If the results of that recent Jamaica Observer Poll and the reactions of many travelers in the diaspora are indicative of anything then some really interesting days are ahead. We will just have to patiently wait and so what unfolds.
Quoting JM079 (Reply 17): But it is good to see them adding capacity to MBJ but I am some what weary of these sudden expansion but once the market condition is no longer favorable they will pull out and leave just like that.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14): Pretty Impressive..I expect to see an increase from ATL for the winter...
Most definitely. Also FL's presence in MBJ will keep DL's fares in check which will be beneficial for the traveling public. But yes we have to also think of them vanishing should market conditions change.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14): The reality of the situation is unlike 2-3 years ago, Gulf Carriers are flooded with applications...There is now an excess of pilots on the market and the culture in the Gulf is not as rosy as percieved...
Very true. Glut on the market where applications for jobs in the aviation ( and other sectors ) industry is concerned.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14): You realise how he has chastised the pilots for using their emotions to decieve Jamaicans...Mr Golding should take note of this statement as these same words "emotions" and "sentiments" will haunt him during the next election..
Hopefully he will remember that insultive comment he made regarding the JM pilots when next the people of Jamaica exercise their voting rights. Regardless of his opinions re JALPA's proposal and how unsuitable an entity he thinks they are to take over the national carrier, to state that they are using their emotions to '' deceive '' Jamaicans is very low and as a writer recently stated, is also indicative of how teachers ( who may I remind the Gvt. that they wouldn't be where they are now without their input ) , nurses etc are treated by them. With scant regards. What bothers me the most about this whole divestment fiasco is how poorly managed and capitalized the carrier was for the over 40 years of their existence. They fought for independence, created a national carrier, etc etc yet they cant seem to get anything right where the management of these national assets are concerned, be it our sugar industry, bauxite, transportation you name it.
Quoting JM079 (Reply 18): KEITH COLLISTER, another financial analyst has taken by the subject with respect to the proposals from Trinidad and has declare that "Jamaica cannot afford to make any company an exclusive national carrier .
....."We should support Caribbean airlines coming here (as they should want to as Jamaica effectively doubles the size of their potential market) but not at the price of an exclusive agreement that blocks the entrance of either future Jamaican investors (the pilots or whoever else can come up with the money) or another airline prepared to headquarter themselves here and provide local jobs and tax revenues. The best thing for Jamaica's tourism industry (not to mention our diaspora) is the lower fares from unrestricted competition....."
THE debate on the divestment is a healthy sign of good democracy as it allows people to voice there views and object to things that they thing are not good for the country.
JM079 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2008, 2245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9236 times:
Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 20): hey fought for independence, created a national carrier, etc etc yet they cant seem to get anything right where the management of these national assets are concerned, be it our sugar industry, bauxite, transportation you name it.
Yes, that bothers me too. There is not a single state entity at the moment that is showing any level of management control. The performance of the Port Authority is perhaps the one exception and that too has gone into the reds with the IMF telling them they have to divest it.
BUT the most telling is the news now that the post office is going to be sold this year.
Guess what: The government is going to be offering the employees the first option of buying it.
So, why didn't they offer that option to JM employees in the first place?
...."The Jamaica Civil Service Association (JCSA) wants the government to divest ownership of the country's postal service to the workers through an Employee Share Ownership Plan (ESOP).
beeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1638 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9223 times:
Quoting JM079 (Reply 18): ....."It is imperative that the prime minister clarify the Government's position on the designation of national-carrier status for Caribbean Airlines prior to the signing of binding legal agree-ments in the next few weeks. ..."
Ok to put it like this, look at BA that is considered the National Airline of the UK. Most of the government and official things that represent the UK. Now besides that you have other UK airlines like Virgin Atlantic , Britism Midland and several charter carriers. Like wise LH is considered the National Carrier of Germany but you still have Air Berlin and several smaller carriers that also fly the Germany flag. Also KL national airline of Holland but you have Martin Air.
So with BW considered the National Carrier of Jamaica it will be on the same level like BA and LH and do the primary official business of the Jamaican Government and represent the country. Sure if the JALPA starts an airline they would be also can fly the Jamaican flag. Now those who want to go can go those who want to stay can stay.
With 3 major carriers based in the caribbean BW / LI /JM one has to go sorry to stay but there will be an expansion so those who want to come back in can come back in.
Yes aviation industry is very voiltile and even here in the US many pilots are being laid off .
a340Jamaica From Jamaica, joined Nov 2008, 429 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9212 times:
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 22): With 3 major carriers based in the caribbean BW / LI /JM one has to go sorry to stay but there will be an expansion so those who want to come back in can come back in.
The carriers do not compete with each other excepting a few routes in the Eastern Caribbean. Hence that statement rings hollow. The only issue is that CAL desires growth and this is the only way it will happen for them. Hopefully, for their sake, the Jamaican populace cooperates. I have already stated that I am not on board especially after this whole fiasco. Some will change their minds and accept it but some will be lost permanently!! It should be interesting to see Jamaicans woo B6 from FLL when JM closes. That is guaranteed to happen.
The carriers do not compete with each other excepting a few routes in the Eastern Caribbean. Hence that statement rings hollow. The only issue is that CAL desires growth and this is the only way it will happen for them. Hopefully, for their sake, the Jamaican populace cooperates. I have already stated that I am not on board especially after this whole fiasco. Some will change their minds and accept it but some will be lost permanently!! It should be interesting to see Jamaicans woo B6 from FLL when JM closes. That is guaranteed to happen.
Don't be so sure B6 will suddenly be getting so much business with a JM closure. If CAL maintains its two free bags policy that will be an enormous advantage for them in for e.g. the FLL-KIN market over B6 and NK. While B6 has the first bag free, they get $35.00 for the 2nd suffice to say one passenger with two bags flying r.t. will have to shell out $70.00 r.t. Any animosities harbored towards CAL by some Jamaicans I guarantee will melt away quickly when confonted with those circumstances. With NK charging for all bags, CAL stands to steal good market share from them.
Dont underestimate the baggage thing, Southwest is currently acknowledged to be growing market share big time because of their two free bag policy. CAL could end up doing the same!
JMBWEEBOY
25 JM079: http://gleanerblogs.com/finance/?p=124 The Jamaica Gleaner has just launched a blog with the title "Sale of Air Jamaica" where they are encouraging Ja
26 a340Jamaica: I laugh at your suggestion. Especially for FLL where for many persons nowadays on that route, travelling heavy is more of a hindrance than a benefit
27 AirJamaica: Heard about this one the local news. It knid of caught me off guard but not surprised. B6's fee for the second bag is actually US$30.00. Lets also re
28 trintocan: This JM debate just keeps goping on and on. Really, I think we will just have to wait until the final announcement on the airline comes to pass. Two p
29 a340Jamaica: I think it is 31% of all vistors, VFR included. Agreed that it is sad to see JM in such distress but it was probably inevitable. What bothers me howe
30 beeweel15: Caribbeans bags will be free once within the weight limit But if you connect on a domestic run they include that fee somehow.
31 hummingbird: I got these ramp shots yesterday.. Babybus arriving from FLL/KIN and docking for it's return to FLL.. Am waiting for the reality to hit the wall as th
32 trintocan: I see your point man! The trouble is that, for an airline the size of BW (even when adding the Jamaican operations) it is very difficult to effective
33 beeweel15: Well MIA is AA's major hub as opposed to FLL just like JFK is to LGA for DL. So why spend the money for FLL and you can just funnel everyone thruogh
34 AirJamaica: Indeed it is very sad to see JM in its current state, especially considering Mr. Nobles short stint with the carrier proves that it can be operated p
35 a340Jamaica: Let me tell you why I disagree with that assessment. If JM and BW were operating in the same market, same geography etc. I would agree as was the cas
36 beeweel15: With all that in mind 1 - If BW pulls out the said they had enough. JALPA started an airline and it was in trouble from the get go would you keep pum
37 JMBWEEBOY: You obviously have not spent the very substantial amount of time I have at Terminal 4 at FLL watching passengers checking in for MBJ/KIN and also are
38 JM079: The Jamaicans in the diaspora has launched a website trageting support for the JALPA in there effort to keep Air Jamaica brand alive. The site is seek
39 caribbean484: Conrad Aleong is the disgraced CEO of BWIA that left the airline in 2003 after many years of heavy looses, corruption, mismanagement and callous beha
40 hummingbird: According to an news article in The Jamaica Observer, JALPA's will submit a new proposal to Mr Golding tommorrow...In the proposal it highlight's thei
41 a340Jamaica: OK JMBWEEBOY. We will see. If that is what CAL is counting on, I suspect they are going to be in trouble. And in your statement, you used the term al
42 a340Jamaica: Exactly what I was thinking. I would focus on KIN as the hub however. ATL, MCO, HAV, CUR, ORD, BWI, PHL, NAS, MIA are all routes that could be reintr
43 AirJamaica: If we should do the math, with the EMB 190 the HAV route alone would be operating at an average LF of 84%. Not bad at all. Agree. KIN definately shou
44 JM079: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Rotary-JALPA--printed----p4 With JALPA revealing aspect of there business plan to the public it allows us to be be
45 beeweel15: RJ's while they a good especially the EMB series of aircraft, they are not good for baggage. Daily at JFK I see these planes operate and I can tell y
46 beeweel15: Interesting article it mentions the open skies which did not work for JM. It only killed the airline. One thing mentioned was flying beyond the US no
47 JM079: Dennis Lalor, the divestment committee chairman and now JM chairman has issued a statement to the public in which he is seeking to make clarification
48 JMBWEEBOY: Ok A340 Jamaica, You seem so sure the CAL product will be inferior to anything else in the market. Million dollar question for you Sir, honest answer
49 AirJamaica: Trying to give us a 6 for a 9 IMHO. Obviously they and others alike think Jamaicans were born big. Herein lies the reason why most Jamaicans are not
50 beeweel15: Also remember DL is bringing tourists and they travel very light. And yes many are brgining to grumble about using those planes for longer flights.
51 JM079: Let me ask this but where did A340Jamaica suggest, state or implied that CAL offered an inferior inflight product? Let me ask this, do you know what
52 AirJamaica: The bulk of the tourists DL transport to Jamaica actually vacation on the North Coast in the resort towns of Ocho Rios, Montego Bay, Negril & Bos
53 beeweel15: It allows JM to fly to lets another country drop off and pick up pax cargo then fly to another destination. Did you know that. Your flight woud be li
54 JM079: Yes, well adversed on what it means. http://guardian.co.tt/commentary/col.../flying-troubled-skies-air-jamaica ......."Should the taxpayers of T&
55 a340Jamaica: We will see JMBWEEBOY. JM079 has already chimed in but I thought I would add to his response. I am pretty sure CAL has a decent product. For a VFR ma
56 hummingbird: I agree..AC uses it's EJets on long thing routes such as YOW-MBJ....The E-Jets could also be used to MIA and rotated on the am flights from FLL.. If
57 a340Jamaica: I would emphasize KIN instead. KIN though only 80 odd nautical miles from MBJ is actually closer to the geographic centre of the region and is more r
58 a340Jamaica: Wow, did not realize that the traffic had grown to that level to KIN. If DL were really serious, ATL could seriously bite into MIA connecting traffic
59 beeweel15: Why would SW do that when they have major ops at MCO , BWI and HOU which they can just throw a 700 on anytime. Why come to Jamaica when Hawaii is clo
60 JM079: The editorial in the Guardian of Trinidad has provided a very provoking piece this morning which at face value is sort of balance but you can't help b
61 caribbean484: I promised not to respond, but what is the problem with the article. Its one person's opinion on the sale and its views is not the view of the genera
62 A388: SW doesn't serve destinations outside the U.S. They started codeshares not so long ago on select Mexican destinations with Volaris. SW prefers to cod
63 yellowtail: having done the studies....generally If they want to go south for a holiday, US visitors east of the Mississippi want to got jamaica, barbados etc....
64 hummingbird: How do you expect the tourism market to grow?..Jamaica is rapidly adding more rooms, do you believe we will forever depend on the NorthEast, Midwest
65 A388: How was JM doing when they flew to LAX? I remember seeing the ad in the local newspapers here in Curacao of special offers from Curacao to Los Angele
66 SCL767: Not really, AC only operates YEG-MBJ, YVR-MBJ and YYC-MBJ on a weekly basis seasonally. Those 3 weekly flights will end next month. On 3/18/2010, CO
67 a340Jamaica: I would not waste my time getting upset over newspaper opinion pieces. I as a consumer have the ultimate control by being able to use or not use a pa
68 beeweel15: It is cheap and also it is wilder than Jamaica.
69 a340Jamaica: What a lot of people don't realize is that HNL is actually about the same distance away from LA as is MBJ. I think it is just marketing, word of mout
70 SCL767: However, the Eastern Caribbean isn't dependent mostly on North American arrivals like Jamaica. Also, Jamaica is loosing market-share from the UK to d
71 BN747: From what I saw..pretty darn good. And all I could hear about that time was people just coming from Jamaica or making plans to go. From observation..
72 JMBWEEBOY: Rather than making ego-centric judgements about how well CAL would or would not do in Jamaica, its time we all give more credit to the "marketplace" w
73 hummingbird: In terms of loads the flight had a yearly average between 60-75%...Operation wise, the route was restricted to the airbus that were amongst the first
74 AirJamaica: Was asking myself the same question. At no point was it ever stated or implied that Caribbean Airlines inflight product was inferior. Not bad frequen
75 SCL767: ATL could bite into MIA's connecting traffic? That has yet to happen, especially given the fact that certain routes to Jamaica cannot operate profita
76 a340Jamaica: ATL is better positioned for a large swath of the continental US traffic than MIA. I do not ever expect it to match MIA for total connections but if
77 hummingbird: Yes, DL has making progress in expanding the market..Most of the success comes from the point to point ATL-KIN parings, the connecting traffic to the
78 a340Jamaica: Agreed JMBWEEBOY. I am a patient person with a very long memory!! We will see.
79 SCL767: You should look at American Eagle's schedule at the MIA hub. Also, it is possible to fly AA MBJ-DFW-OMA or MBJ-ORD-OMA. But what about those that use
80 JM079: Martin George, a columnist writing on the issue of JM divestment has given his views on the subject and is demanding that the GoRTT should demonstrate
81 Captaink: I am not getting into the JM/BW fight until more confirmed info is provided. But regards to this post I am not sure I follow. I think MBJ though quit
82 SCL767: Indeed, as expected it looks likes MBJ will loose a lot of capacity this year. On 8/24/10, AA will decrease frequency on both the DFW-MBJ and JFK-MBJ
83 AirJamaica: Don't know about anyone else here but if I had to choose between connecting at ATL or MIA , without a doubt ATL would be my airport of choice anyday.
84 Captaink: I have, and though they are similar, MBJ still has more variety the above mentioned, and much more than BGI etc. Really MBJ has a pretty impressive l
85 hummingbird: As previously promised, The DOT stats for August 2009....The figures reflect why KIN is an important VFR/business port and will once and for all dismi
86 Caymanair: This point comes up way too often. MBJ is hands down, the best served airport in the region. What some of you fail to realize is that despite the fact
87 JM079: Just one question here Caymanair, and I hoping you will provide a response. With respect to the Air Jamaica debt which the GoJ has indicated it will
88 JM079: JAMAICA had wanted to create its own national carrier from as far back as 1962 - The year of Independence . The following info has provided an insight
90 a340Jamaica: If B6 and Airtrans' interest were not attracted, I would be inclined to agree with you but they are not going to sit back and give up nice revenue po
91 Caymanair: I'm aware that the government will keep the debt... but JM under JALPA will have a hard time convincing creditors that they are any different from JM
92 a340Jamaica: SCL, do you have any idea of a term called seasonality? Tourist routes are like that. In winter time, the frequencies increase and as summer approach
93 SCL767: a340Jamaica (Reply 92):SCL, do you have any idea of a term called seasonality? Tourist routes are like that. In winter time, the frequencies increase
94 Caymanair: It very much applies to other Caribbean countries, including GCM. Summer is the low season... travel patterns change quite predictably between summer
95 SCL767: Not PUJ or Cuba for sure! CM will increase frequency on the PTY-PUJ route to 12x weekly year-round. DL will increase frequencies as well. AA will inc
96 JM079: There is absolutely no way you can be serious with that statement. A privatized JM under new management and ownership can be penalized by creditors f
97 JM079: I find it to be quite entertaining this conversation that you are holding there. But suffice to say many carriers adjust there schedule to compensate
98 Captaink: Come on man, do I have to actually go and find flights that operate into MBJ that don't operate into AUA? That is not the point. The point is MBJ has
99 SCL767: Expected, since Jamaica is mainly dependent on North American arrivals due to JTB's lack of initiative, IMO. It's quite laughable that Jamaica doesn'
100 Captaink: I am not arguing frequency, probably MBJ has more frequency tas well, I don't know, and I don't really feel like investigating that right now. The po
101 AirJamaica: But historically hasn't it been like this for years since the development of the tourism industry in the region ? Nothing new really. Not certain wha
102 SCL767: No worries, I'll post some schedules on the Caribbean thread later on. The point I'm trying to make is that most of the destinations that serve MBJ d
103 hummingbird: For summer 2010, if AA does not return to KIN from FLL, this leaves the door open for B6 to open the KIN market from FLL, while providing connections
104 A388: ARN, LGW and MAN are also charter flights to AUA that just happen to operated more often last year than usually so these destinations are also charte
105 AirJamaica: The Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority ( JCAA ) will remove fees that were previously applicable to small aircraft in an effort to tap into the very luc
106 yellowtail: As I type this from SEA...I can tell you that the SEA market is much more than Hawaii...but they jsut don't want beach. These folks want adventure...
107 hummingbird: Hopefully when JALPA gets the E Jets, they will be sent to MCO.. Am surprised they acted so quickly in reducing these fees.. They currently operate 4
108 hummingbird: Definitely.....There is more to Jamaica than sun and beach...The JTB has done a good job of diversifying the product.. http://www.tripadvisor.com/Att
109 Captaink: I hear US operates a small hub in MBJ. HAHA.. But seriously, nice numbers.
110 AirJamaica: Time will tell how effective their action was. Didn't remember they had previously ordered the A320's to complement their A319's/A321's ( of which th
111 hummingbird: Agree...We should expect some additional services once the cruise ship Terminal in Falmouth is operational.. Two years ago, they used the A321 to MBJ
112 yellowtail: Well they could go dive MoBay Marine park....see the three fish that live there! Seriously MBJ, while having beach resorts that BZE, RTB, SJO envy, w
113 JM079: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/Statesman-not-salesman Ms Blaine has continued her PR exercise in support of JALPA with another highly charged
114 AirJamaica: I believe it is only a matter of time before we start seeing services from PDX and ( or ) SEA to MBJ. I am sure Ed and the JTB are working assiduousl
115 hummingbird: The JTB has provided a breakdown on the origin of the number of passengers who visited Jamaica for the month of December 2009.. I will try to focus on
116 hummingbird: Damn, this woman is persistent.... Good luck with the bags on this sector..I can imagine DL will charge an arm and a leg for these seats.. I agree..I
117 a340Jamaica: Posting from the rock after 260 miles to MCO and then JM80/34 to KIN. The staff are doing there best to keep up morale and be positive. Most likely th
118 jm079: It is interesting that you made that observation with respect to JM staff as I have observed on all the ocassions that I have flow JM to KIN or from
119 jm079: If Trinidad acquire JM and set up an operation in KIN the tax payers of Trinidad and Tobago are going to incur the financial strain of this investment
120 a340Jamaica: OK, so we can ignore all claims that CAL is a profitable entity. That is US $40 odd million per year, about a third to half JM's losses which were in
121 jm079: FINALLY, some one is now seeing what I have been trying talking about. The decison to buy Air Jamaica is a POLITICAL one and not one based on sound e
122 jm079: NEWS UPDATE: THE opposition parties in Trinidad will file an injunction in ther courts to prevent the GoRTT from completing a sale agreement for the n
123 SCL767: That is absolute slander and treading on dangerous territory, IMO! By stating that certain "persons" who are on CAL's BOD are there to "dictate" the
124 yellowtail: The point is the vast majority of the tourists from the NW USA don't want beached. Why do you think AK is trimming the CUN service. I can tell you th
125 jm079: JAMAICA is now spear-heading the drive to help Haiti with its tourism industry to recover. Ed Barlett, the tourism minister has announced that Jamaica
126 AirJamaica: Thought they were planning to operate a day light flight on their JFK-GND sector. Have flown JM 080 from MCO two times but fortunately for me on both
127 hummingbird: With all this traffic, JM needs to return to GCM...A perfect route for the E-Jet.. There is a big gap in the Jamaica-Bermuda market..There are alot o
128 jm079: There was a lot of value in what JM did when it converted the route to a red eye flight as there is better utilization of aircraft which seems to be
129 yellowtail: I think JTB is off.... A ) remember that the business traffic will not travel if they can in Dec. Jamaica from Belize is all business so Dec will be
130 a340Jamaica: I tend to agree with you Yellowtail. My gut instinct is that the market is larger than indicated. I think there are probably 30 - 40 persons (Belizea
131 beeweel15: Guess she mis understands this National Carrier terminology. And why would the GOJ say no to someone else cominig to set up business in Jamaica . To
132 yellowtail: it is currently a consistent 15-20 per day at a very high airfare....if you add in UWI students, folks who would transfer to E. Caribbean flights, fo
133 jm079: Yellowtail, there is a simple explanation here and it relates to how info is tracked about arrivals. The JTB online info simply tracks people who com
134 jm079: UPDATE: JALPA has issued a release today advising that Jamaica has sought a waive of certain stipulation in the Open Sky Agreement with the United Sta
135 beeweel15: And I am certain CAL will be treated the same way in Jamaica as they are in Guyana. Why spend all this time doing this concentrate on starting up you
136 Captaink: This is my only problem. Noone seems to be commenting on the bad idea such exclusiveness is. Maybe it isn't a big problem now, but it is extremely sh
137 AirJamaica: Dennis Morrison opins that the hotels should be playing a more integral role in securing airlift to support the tourist market. '' At its peak of oper
138 jm079: Why do your bother to make comments like that. They are clear violation of the thread rules. But again beeweel15, you again continue to miss the poin
139 jm079: UPDATE: The deal with Trinidad to get CAL to set up operation KIN will see the GoJ get a 20% stake in Trinidad national carrier. In exchange the GoJ i
140 jm079: Mr Morrison observations are valid as hotels that are small and medium scale will feel the impact far mor acutely. The JHTA in the past had marketing
141 beeweel15: More negative come out towards CAL in these meetings. No it seems you miss the point on what I was saying. Right now Jamaica has two carriers. Air JA
142 jm079: I would have suspected that since you were in attendance at this meeting you would have provided a lot more info as it would discredited all those ot
143 jm079: JAMAICA has reaped huge dividends with the agreement that it signed with American Airlines to provided revenue guarantee to ensure that the country ge
144 hummingbird: This is what really annoys me and I hope JALPA wins the case..Why must the GOJ take what righfully belongs to Jamaicans and give it freely to Trinida
145 AirJamaica: It is good to see that this contraversial AA deal actually was beneficial at the end of the day. Must admit I had mixed opinions towards it initially
147 Inbound: Come on now Yellowtail, BW is smarter than that to invest in airplanes that can't haul west indians luggage. Leave that for other caribbean islands t
148 a340Jamaica: Which would you rather? A plane that can get you, one checked piece and one carry on to your destination directly at a modest price or extortionate f
149 jm079: Yes, we intent to keep our national carrier but it seems that your government has other ideas so I will encourage you to strongly voice your objectio
150 SCL767: Agreed! Caribbean Airlines is already by far the leading Caribbean airline with a very strong balance sheet. JALPA should be able to pay the leases o
151 a340Jamaica: Finally, something we are all 100% in agreement on. Miracles do happen!! By the way SCL, condolences and best regards to everyone in Chile following
152 AirJamaica: This brings me back to a comment I made earlier on re this aircraft type and how it would be utilized: Precisely. You would think people ( particular
153 jm079: American Airlines will under take to clean up the enviornment at NMIA due to the crash of its plane at NMIA in December of 2009. News out of KIN to da
154 A388: When will the final report of this incident be published? What's known so far? To my knowledge the aircraft was in good condition, breaking appeared t
155 AirJamaica: Other tourism dependent Caribbean islands have seemingly taken a page out of Jamaica's book where securing airlift is concerned. Again I am very pleas
156 yellowtail: Jsut in case some of you guys don't read the Caribbean forum... Guys ..tried to make this simple for you guys....this is the overnight arrivals for th
157 beeweel15: And they dont have a National Carrier the competes with the same airlines they are paying to come to their shores,
158 AirJamaica: Still doesn't negate the fact that other islands offer guarantees to airlines to maintain airlift. More often than not the impression is given that J
159 AirJamaica: The controversy surrounding this deal with AA is again in the spotlight, with Contractor General Greg Christie asserting that those involved, includi
160 A388: When was this airlift guarantee signed with AA and why is this controversy about this airlift guarantee coming out now? A388
161 Captaink: All JM employees are to be made redundant from April 12th. Under all the ol' talk so to speak, it seems as if this thing going through with or without
162 jm079: Whats up with these politicians and there absolute disregards for due process. Here we are again with a similar situation as the JM Heathrow landing
163 Captaink: Hmm so I guess no one knows what's going on. The JM staff I talked to just said, they being made redundant on that date, but had no info as to what ex
164 jm079: JM management has indeed set April 12 as the transitional date for the staff to be laid off. The government has indicated that there is to be a new h
165 a340Jamaica: Well, the winding up of JM has begun in earnest. Really sad!! You will be missed. Unfortunately, my last experience with JM was not the greatest as m
166 Speedbird2263: Alas I'm back from my trip to FLL and can I tell you I honestly can't tell if it's the last time I'll set foot on JM metal. I had Captain Patrick Smit
167 ilanbwoy: Funny you mentioned that....i was just looking at an email from dl today and must say that i am glad fl is now flying to jamaica. They have forced DL
168 AirJamaica: They have had a couple of long delays/cancellations of late because of the winter storms in the North East U.S. Last Saturday JM 011 MBJ-JFK departed
169 AirJamaica: April 12th is the '' target '' date for JM's take over. '' EMPLOYEES of the cash-strapped national airline, Air Jamaica were yesterday advised that th
170 jm079: GOJ to keep Air Jamaica Maintainence as a seperate company to build the MRO sector. So, it is being reported that this division will not be a part of
171 A388: What type of maintenance do they perform now? Do they strip down the entire aircraft to bare metal to overhaul the entire aircraft or just the small
172 jm079: UPDATES: Caribbean Airlines will not be getting Exclusive National Carrier Status or national carrier status if it takes over Air Jamaica operations i
173 Captaink: That makes perfect sense. I mean nothing it wrong with them getting national carrier status, but EXCLUSIVE national carrier status was just stupid an
174 A388: Agreed, I wasn't aware of this exclusivity until later in the discussions here. No airline should have exclusive rights as a (national) carrier statu
175 beeweel15: YES & NO and I will leave it at that. Any carrier appointed as National Carrier can and will benefit from the agreement. So if you say, for examp
176 A388: What jm079 is trying to say is that locally no airline should get exclusivity as national carrier, meaning that no other airline can establish itself
177 jm079: The GoJ despite its recent statement dismissing the sentiments of Jamaicans will in fact back yield to these public pressures. If an agreement is ind
178 Caymanair: The new information points to a much better agreement, I think. It benefits everyone. It gives BW time for the JM drama to die down and slowly underta
179 a340Jamaica: FLL, YYZ and NYC actually require about 5 aircraft if market share remains the same as now. FLL alone potentially needs 2 given the up to five flight
180 Captaink: Sorry about the jobs being lost, hopefully some would be back with BW. But the deal now is a bit easier to swallow. Leaves room for Jamaicans to come
181 SCL767: INCORRECT! The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago's Transport Minister has specifically stated that Caribbean Airlines, the leading Caribbean carrier, w
182 AirJamaica: Agree. Again Ms. Shirley is giving her views on the pending JM divestment with some very thought provoking disclosures. '' It is understood that the
183 jm079: Well, it seems that there is indeed value in the Air Jamaica brand after all Cayman Air. I know you and others have indeed been pushing for it to be
184 jm079: Some of the info that Ms Shirley has revealed was posted earlier but what this shows though how significant the public pressure has had on the govern
185 hummingbird: Wow, am back to see this mess of a deal coming to fruition.... The JALPA has responded to the GOJ rather unpatriotic move and has stated, "the associa
186 SCL767: Official Press Release from Air Jamaica's transtitional CEO: "AIR JAMAICA FLIGHTS CONTINUE UNDER CARIBBEAN AIRLINES": "A preliminary targeted transact
187 yellowtail: I have to go to KIN in Oct and I look forward to flying BW I wish BW the best of of luck
188 jm079: Are you flying BZE to MIA then to POS with connection KIN? That seems to be a long way of doing it. Why not just do the BZE/MIA/KIN with AA or BZE to
189 jm079: Why is it that Trinidad Works Minister Colm Imbert continues to tell his fellow country men that CAL interest in Jamaica is to help with sustaining ai
190 a340Jamaica: Good luck to him with that. Half of JM's patronage is gone for good!! He can take that to the bank.[Edited 2010-03-05 21:10:59]
191 jm079: Caribbean Airlines is worried about the news from KIN that the Air Jamaica staff will be undertaking industrial actions to press home the issues that
192 a340Jamaica: They are now realizing the ferocity of the opposition by Jamaicans to the deal that they woefully miscalculated and are trying to find a way to get p
193 jm079: JM has already lost significant amount of business since it was in the news that they might not be around come April 12 But all of that seems to have
194 jm079: JM success was and is based on the absolutely loyal of Jamaicans both in and out of the country. Listen, A340Jamaica, I find the a about turn of CAL
195 AirJamaica: It is quite obvious even to the blind what is transpiring right here. This is getting really interesting by the minute. Over night all of a sudden th
196 SCL767: Tourism Minister Edmund Bartlett will be sanctioned by Jamaica's OCG after allegedly breaching the law. "The contractor general repeated his claim th
197 Captaink: courtesy D Fletcher.. End of a legacy in Grenada. This morning was the final Lovebird flight to island. JM has been a part of Grenadian lives for ove
198 Inbound: I'm still curious though.... Would the Pilots, F/As and Engineers apply for a job at CAL Jamaica? Seeing as there's no need to remain loyal because CA
199 hummingbird: There is no CAL Jamaica..The Air Jamaica brand and name will remain for at least one year....A sheer disappointment for those who were hoping to see
200 beeweel15: The same way AA did with the TW codes when they took over TWA. They are putting a block on it for a period of time until IATA can issue it to someone
201 yankeejuliet: CAL is going to lose badly. There will be little revenue from cargo, heavy loss of customer loyality, increase competion from foreign carriers, low st
202 SCL767: Caribbean Airlines will not lose at all! JALPA will lose badly though, I don't think that many airlines are hiring many pilots at the moment. BW will
203 a340Jamaica: We will see SCL. We are going to see how successful CAL will be with half of JM's former support gone!! They cannot make connecting from North Americ
204 a340Jamaica: Sad day indeed Captaink!! Such is life I guess.
205 SCL767: Instead of ALWAYS focusing on North American connections, maybe you should look at Central and South America, (and don't forget the islands)!
206 A388: It's a mere accommodation if you have money. If you sign to work for CAL Jamaica (or any other company for that matter), it will not be a short term
207 JM017: Oh, I don't know about that...American came to Jamaica in 1977 and developed a good following (including, sadly, among members of my family). All I a
208 Captaink: Just thought to share this badly taken shot of JM's Final Fly Over yesterday at Grenada... So cool they did that.. Shows how much they like GND. HAHA
209 Speedbird2263: Now that's a cool shot right there hombre.
210 a340Jamaica: Good for you. For me and many others, once its not Jamaican, in terms of my preferences and loyalty, there is really no difference as long as I get w
211 AirJamaica: Great shots there of this very iconic carrier CaptainK. 10 years of un-parallel service to GND. Thanks for sharing Have to agree with A340Jamaica on
212 JM017: Yup..That's true. I know. And I remember being thrilled when AA were forced off the JFK route But I also look at Miami. In it's heyday, Air Jamaica s
213 aa1818: Perhaps the most balanced and insightful post I have seen not only in this Thread but possibly in the whole forum in a looong time! Kudos. Welcome to
214 AirJamaica: I too remember those days when JM's B727's & A300's had up to 7 daily flights to MIA. As I said in a previous thread from a pure economic point o
215 guyanam: SCL how much travel potential is there to the English speaking Caribbean from Latin America? The West Indian populations are virtually non existent?
216 JM017: Yeah, I didn't realise Jamaicans in Florida lived closer to FLL until you guys brought this up a while ago. Worked well for JM. Let me just say I am
217 A388: Am I right in saying that JM only caters to locals from the U.S. to Jamaica (VFR) and that tourism is barely provided by JM? Again I ask the question
218 hummingbird: Nice pics..I still can't understand why GND was dropped from the network...The excuse being used is shortage of aircraft, but there are two aircraft
219 JM017: I do not think an official report has been released. But unofficially, the plane came in too fast and landed about halfway down the runway in a drivi
220 AirJamaica: Indeed JM's decision to inaugurate services between FLL & KIN/MBJ back in 1994/1995* was a very rewarding one for the carrier. At times they also
221 jm079: JAMAICA REJECTS TRINIDAD EXCLUSIVITY REQUEST. The Ministry of Transports in KIN has objected to the request from Trinidad to get exclusive national ca
222 A388: The link doesn't work, can you send it to me? Also thanks for all the explanations on JM and their role on the VFR and leisure markets. It still rema
223 jm079: So, Jamaica will likely get a new national carrier by year end. We will see something along the lines of Air Jamaica International or Air Jamaica Airw
224 A388: Interesting, keep us informed. I'm mainly interested in whether CUR will be served after JM stops in April. A388
225 JM017: I remember reading stats confirming this some years ago. Something to the effect that JM transported more visitors to the island than every other car
226 jm079: Each day reveals new angle with respect to how this closing downing of Air Jamaica or sale of Air Jamaica to Trinidad. Enough is enough, please. Now,
227 a340Jamaica: Hopefully, this materializes. They will get my full support. With lease rates for new planes now quite low, starting out with say 3 150 seaters and 2
228 jm079: My understanding is that considerable work is going on right now as the association is using the chaos that currently surrounds the GoJ dealing with
229 hummingbird: New thread is up.. Maple Leaf To Jamdown..Jamaican Thread # 26 (by hummingbird Mar 8 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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