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Small Plane Crashes Into Office Bldg In AUS  
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19828 times:

Just breaking.

Emergency crews are racing to reports of a plane crash near MoPac and Highway 183. KVUE News has a crew on the way.

http://www.kvue.com/

They showed aerial footage about 5 minutes ago. It's right by the freeway. The building hit was the Echelon (sp?) Building at 9430 Research Blvd. Lots of smoke, so it's hard to tell but it looks like part of the building and the frontage road might be affected. Traffic was still moving on Highway 183, although at a snail's pace.

LoneStarMike

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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19759 times:

So is this near the airport or has something gone horribly wrong?

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5027 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19763 times:

Looks like FBI building. Oh boy... Not good. Reports say it was a single engine plane. Terror attack?


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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19711 times:

Quote:
Tucker Thurman was driving to work on the U.S. 183 flyover near MoPac Boulevard (Loop 1) when he said he saw a small plane, very low, flying over the highway. He said he saw it then bank heavily to the right before heading into the building.

“There was a huge fireball. It right into the building,” Thurman said

This doesn't sound good especially if it was the FBI building.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19622 times:

It's not near the airport. It's out in the NW part of Austin along Highway 183 (Research Blvd.) near the interchange of Mopac - one of the city's busiest interchanges. It's near the Arboretum for those familiar with Austin. Looks to be a 3-4 story glass office building - one of several. KVUE says Piper Cherokee 150 seating 4 people per an eyewitness who is a pilot. Everyone interviewed says the plane did not seem to be in any kind of distress. They say either the pilot may have been incapacitated or it could have been deliberate. And yes, they're just now mentioning that the FBI had offices there, too. This is a very dense area developmennt-wise both commercial and residental.

BTW, KVUE is the local ABC affiliate here in Austin. Their studios are right around the corner and they seem to have the best coverage.

Wait...now saying all evacuated from Office and they think it is an accident.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinebigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19580 times:

That's a big fire for a single-engine.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19489 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 3):
This doesn't sound good especially if it was the FBI building.

OK now they are saying that the FBI did not have offices in the building. The IRS had offices in the complex but not in the particular building that was hit.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19471 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 1):
So is this near the airport or has something gone horribly wrong?

No. This is North of the Airport.

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 3):
This doesn't sound good especially if it was the FBI building.

Again no, the FBI and ICE are on scene but do not have offices here. This is a private company that leases space to the IRS & other companies.

All IRS employees account for. AFD and APD are evacuating other buildings around back to Jollyville Road. APD is also shutting down US183 & Mopac Expressway inter-change.



First eyewitness account is a Commercial Airline pilot and said the plane was not having engine trouble and it hit very fast and hard.

[Edited 2010-02-18 08:53:52]


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19396 times:
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http://www.statesman.com/blogs/conte...say_a_plane.html?srcTrk=RTR_240839

No news on the a/c type yet...


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19367 times:

It's very very far from the airport. Maybe plane was in a problem, so the pilot wanted to make emergency landing on highway? But there are so many ramps and intersections, so it might be very hard to do that, not to mention too many cars. It's near an intersection of two local highways, and ramps at the intersection are like 4-5 layers.

Hopefully no fatals involved...


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19294 times:

Somebody on FOX just said a Fedex 208 Caravan is "delayed".


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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19184 times:

There appears to be a LOT of damage and smoke for a "small plane"


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User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19195 times:

Reporting a Piper Cherokee 150 and another pilot called in saying it sounded and looked as if the plane was a full power when it impacted. They are saying the plane took off from ACT.


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19146 times:
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No delays from AUS, currently.

[Edited 2010-02-18 09:06:00]

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3813 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19093 times:

FOX has streaming coverage right now.

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/generic/n..._news/myfoxaustin_livestream_index

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19028 times:

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 12):
Reporting a Piper Cherokee 150

I can't find any Cherokee's out of ACT on Flightaware.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19025 times:
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Quoting KBUF (Reply 15):
I can't find any Cherokee's out of ACT on Flightaware.

It wouldn't show up if it was VFR.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18969 times:

It honestly looks like a kamikaze-style attack on that particular building. Prayers and thoughts with the victims.

Witness reports seem to be unified (at least over the news) that the plane didn't appear to be in distress. I'm not exactly sure that FDX C208 had anything to do with it, although there's one that had a strange routing SAT-AUS with a destination change to CLL, but that doesn't really mean anything in and of itself.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18677 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

There is a shape a third of the way across the screen about half way up.

Could it be a Cherokee?.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18608 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 17):
It honestly looks like a kamikaze-style attack on that particular building.

Apparently you are correct. NTSB just said they are investigating this as an intentional attack on the IRS. He apparently also set his own house on fire before heading out to the airport.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18475 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 19):
Apparently you are correct. NTSB just said they are investigating this as an intentional attack on the IRS. He apparently also set his own house on fire before heading out to the airport.

Oh man.... 

And as for the building damage--with that type of plate glass, a high-speed impact by a fairly small airplane could cause that pretty easily I'd think. It looks like a similar amount of window damage to the Pirelli Tower accident in 2002, caused by a Commander 112 (just a little larger than a Cherokee):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Pirelli_Tower_plane_crash



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18397 times:

CNN is reporting that the FAA has told them it was a Cirrus out of Georgetown Airport KGTU

User currently offlineIlliniCMI From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 18324 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 19):
Apparently you are correct. NTSB just said they are investigating this as an intentional attack on the IRS. He apparently also set his own house on fire before heading out to the airport.

Wow. Not good.


User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 18046 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 21):
CNN is reporting that the FAA has told them it was a Cirrus out of Georgetown Airport KGTU

This one maybe?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...X/history/20100218/1722Z/KGTU/KLAL



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 17963 times:
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Quoting bahadir (Reply 23):
This one maybe?

As stated, it wouldn't be on flightaware if it was VFR.


25 ShyFlyer : Federal officials are telling CNN that in addition to setting his own house on fire, the pilot of the aircraft stole the accident aircraft.
26 AirRyan : I've rented Tomahawk and Warriors from Pilots Choice at KGTU, but they don't have any Cherokees that I know of. If he came from Breakaway Park and Kit
27 71Zulu : They might have just seen a Cirrus leaving GTU so assumed it was the one. Others have said it was a Cherokee 140 and if VFR, will not show up on Fligh
28 Post contains links ramzi : http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1 From afar this sounds a lot like a suicide. A weird implementation of it, but not
29 F9Animal : It was obviously intentional. The good news is, the house fire occupants survived. A neighbor apparently got in the house and rescued the wife and kid
30 boeingfever777 : This is all unconfirmed from some CNN report from some unidentified government agency. CNN doesn't know and neither do we.[Edited 2010-02-18 09:55:09
31 71Zulu : The pilot has been identified according to FOX, just waiting for the name to be released. They also mentioned Lakeway Airpark, K3R9, as a possible dep
32 FlyMKG : By the looks of the wreckage they keep showing on CNN, it appears to be a Piper model. They keep showing something that looks like an aileron with the
33 NIKV69 : Wow, sounds like nobody in the building died. Let us hope so.
34 71Zulu : Reporter talking about being able to take off from all of these "unmanned strips" and she wonders what can be done to "protect us". Got a feeling a lo
35 flyinryan99 : Unconfirmed the registration *could be* N2889D a 1979 Piper PA-28 Dakota.
36 LHR380 : NTSB en route from Austin and Washington!! Amazing hardly any injured in this incident!!!
37 Post contains images KBUF :
38 Airportugal310 : Not necessarily true. If the aircraft was under VFR flight following, thus being issued a transponder code, it would possibly show up on Flightaware
39 Post contains images 2H4 : Sounds like he might have just destroyed years of progress AOPA and EAA have made with regard to the image of GA in this country. If it was indeed in
40 c152driver : Cue the "We've got to do something about these little planes" commentary and legislators vowing to do something to "protect" us in 5... 4... 3... 2...
41 golftango : Looks like the register owner is the suspect, also the one who set his home on fire. Joseph A Stack
42 71Zulu : Yep, Pilot: Joseph Andrew Stack Daughter says he set house on fire before leaving this morning.
43 LoneStarMike : Other stations have already identified him as Joseph Stack - a software engineer. MSNBC says police got a report of domestic violence at his home. Wh
44 JBirdAV8r : Please someone from AOPA get on the horn quickly....EAA probably wouldn't hurt either. At least the idiot that bailed out of his Meridian a while bac
45 ShyFlyer : Indeed, which is why I worded it the way that I did. Amazingly CNN is admitting that they are not sure, exactly, what type of aircraft is actually in
46 Post contains links and images alberchico : http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html If this was in fact intentional there are going to be some very dark days ahead for gene
47 71Zulu : FOX just said NTSB has confirmed it was a Piper Cherokee and took off from GTU at 9:41 this morning. The FAA is saying that there is conflicting docum
48 rikkus67 : Latest CNN report says pilot did not file flightplan, and that he had set his house on fire breforehand. Although I feel badly for whatever got this g
49 c152driver : If it is confirmed there are no fatalities, besides the pilot, which I certainly hope is the case, hopefully the media will lose interest and move on
50 787seattle : There are some interesting vids on CNN's website with a witness that has flown planes "since high school" that ID'd the Cherokee. He said it was blue
51 Post contains links sunbird : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...Num_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N2889D
52 Post contains images KELPkid : Fatal stack overflow this morning? What a freakin' selfish way to inflict your misery upon others...
53 Post contains links LoneStarMike : That would be about right. Another report I read said that the first calls into 911 came in at 9:56. Interesting video report from a man who worked i
54 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Oh for freaks sake! Next thing you know the FAA is gonna start having extensive psychological testing and who knows what other idiotic measures just
55 Post contains images Mir : "Hello, I'd like to file my required VFR flight plan. It'll be departing AUS at 1800Z, cruising at 300 feet, and going direct to the IRS office in do
56 71Zulu : Authorities still investigating whether N2889D is the plane that crashed or if he stole another plane according to FOX. Timeline according to FOX: 9:
57 2H4 : It's not the FAA I'm worried about...
58 contrails : Since this attack was apparently directed at the IRS, why didn't he hit the regional processing center just a few miles to the south? It's a much bigg
59 Post contains links JBirdAV8r : Jon Ostrower has Twittered a possible suicide note from the pilot: http://embeddedart.com/ Edit to add: What an angry, embittered man. I feel sad for
60 EmSeeEye : What a douchebag. Unfortunately this is a sign of the times we live in... Its too bad he had to use an airplane. If he would have used a car to kill h
61 alberchico : So realistically speaking what changes might we encounter as a result of this ? Better security at small airfields ?( since it appears he stole the p
62 Cass : Pilot reports are appreciated, contact flight watch on 122.0, have a nice flight sir.[Edited 2010-02-18 10:36:51]
63 Post contains images ShyFlyer : It's an airplane that crashed into a building. The journalistas will not let this go. For they, in an effort to protect the scared huddled masses, wi
64 787seattle : That looks pretty real to me. How do people come across these notes?
65 Post contains links 2H4 : Hey everyone - if you're as frustrated and angry with this idiot for undoing so much of the progress that has been made in support of GA in the US, P
66 2H4 : In short, legislation that restricts and/or removes our freedom to fly.
67 RL757PVD : Thats a match, its his plane ( Per FAA Registry) Piper PA-28
68 71Zulu : Austin police chief just said plane was definitely not stolen so guess it had to be N2889D.
69 Glom : There should be a constitutional amendment banning legislators from passing any legislation in response to events until after a certain cooling off pe
70 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I'm afraid the backlash may be directed more at general aviation as a whole, and not just security issues/mental health of pilots. I hope my AOPA dol
71 Greaser : Aircraft Owner information: Joseph A Stack Lincoln, CA 95648 Aircraft Information: Piper PA 28-236 Serial No. 28-7911227 N Number N2889D Certification
72 alberchico : anyone notice the AOPA site is running really slow right now ?
73 Post contains links 2H4 : I'd say that's a very good sign. Here's an AOPA-related organization that is also very worthy of our support: http://www.gaservesamerica.com/
74 Post contains images Glom : Excellent idea! I just did that, albeit the UK chapter. I'm going to get a photo card too.
75 Scotland1979 : According to CNN, the pilot post suicide note on internet - so things seem possible after he set a house on fire before leaving. Frank
76 goldenshield : I renewed my AOPA membership last month. It'll be the best $35 I ever spent this year, what with the discounts and programs offered through them.
77 Post contains images 2H4 : THANK YOU, Josh! Let it be known to all that I owe this man several beers! Ok, who's next?
78 ShyFlyer : I find it somewhat amusing that the journalistas keep talking about the amount of fuel and the size of the fire. "It must of been full of fuel..." App
79 Post contains images Mir : Hopefully, nothing. Let's think about it logically: I can think of three instances in fairly recent history that a person intentionally crashed an ai
80 Glom : The situation with GA is the reverse than with the airline industry. When something bad happens with airlines, passengers get scared and airlines go
81 airplanenut : Cherokee, Warrior, Arrow, Dakota, Archer... all basically the same PA-28 with some minor differences. They tend to be referred to interchangeably, es
82 goldenshield : Airlines want to protect their #1 source of income: passengers. This is also why they are pushing for user fees for GA, and basically trying to minim
83 Glom : To be fair, I think GA in the US gets a fair bit of subsidy. I don't know how this compares to subsidies the commercial sector receive though. In the
84 DiamondFlyer : Say what? How exactly is GA subsidized? We pay the same fuel tax as everyone else who uses fuel for airplanes in this country. So, explain how we are
85 Post contains images Glom : Ok you're not. Calm down. That's what my old instructor used to say explaining why private flying in the US is so good (that and the weather).
86 JBirdAV8r : I think Glom is referring to "subsidies" in the sense that ATC services are provided by the government for "free"--and many airports are public, fund
87 Mir : GA pays far more in fuel tax than the airlines do, actually. But then again, GA doesn't pay the PFC charges that airlines do (and nor should they), a
88 FLY2HMO : This incident pissed me off enough that I just renewed. Besides, I could really use their flight planning tool very shortly.
89 Post contains images KELPkid : Well, despite having no medical (and the fact that for the past couple of years, if I tried to get one I would not be able to), I kept my membership
90 DiamondFlyer : You sound like a perfect candidate for light sport. The day that fee's for using any airspace are instituted, better be the same day that EVERY road
91 Airportugal310 : As a whole, or per gallon? I work in Supply (Jet Fuel) at a large corporate aviation company, and as far as i know the only taxes that really apply t
92 Post contains images GAIsweetGAI : How about implementing the "no flying within 500ft of anything" by planting SAM batteries everywhere, or putting FRZ's over anything that isn't an ai
93 Type-Rated : I think a new thread should be started about GA subsidies and the potential user fees that may come in the future. Otherwise the moderators will lock
94 Post contains links and images srbmod : Let's keep the discussion to the actual incident. There is a thread in Non-Av discussing this incident as well, as there are elements of this inciden
95 Post contains images dragon6172 : This is what I thought. What would Orville and Wilbur think about what people are doing with planes? And the Towers came down with timed charges? And
96 QANTAS077 : smells like a terror attack to me...
97 Post contains images F9Animal : Yeah, he was on the phone this morning with MSNBC. The reporter called him Mayor Effingwell, and he quickly jumped her about his correct last name! I
98 Post contains images KELPkid : Unfortunately, of the Tim McVeigh/Unabomber variety, in otherwords, classic American crackpot [Edited 2010-02-18 15:19:06]
99 soon7x7 : This pilot is not alone in his anger with the government...he just took it way too far...Based on info I have seen, plane was operating fine, accordi
100 Longhornmaniac : Jesus Christ, I leave for a couple of months, and this is what happens. Anyone know if the airport is still closed? Hope everyone (except the pilot) m
101 soon7x7 : One person missing, one in the hospital...a flight instructor that witnessed the crash said he had to duck...he claimed the engine was firewaled and
102 stasisLAX : Exactly, of the classic paranoid sub-variety......
103 thegreatRDU : Damn..anybody injured? He also set his house own fire... There's no doubt in my mind that this will spawn copy-cats...
104 soon7x7 : I wouldn't say copycats as its a pretty extreme measure but a lot of distraught people here in America as many loosing their homes, wives, jobs...so
105 LoneStarMike : The local NBC affiliate in Austin (KXAN) is now reporting that the missing Federal employee is confirmed dead. LoneStarMike
106 Post contains links 71Zulu : 1 unaccounted for 2 hospitalized 13 treated and released according to this, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586581,00.html
107 revo1059 : I read his "statement" and I have to say it is one of the more accurate descriptions of our government I have read in a long time. Push people hard en
108 thegreatRDU : It will...think about it, a domestic terrorist, Al Qaeda, depressed suicidal people....they could all be inspired by this...
109 AUSisAwesome : The aircraft was a Piper Dakota. Being from Austin, I drove by the disaster and the whole side is completely destroyed. The building, occupied by over
110 Post contains images KELPkid : Hey, that's not the building where your tax returns end up at if you live in that part of the world, is it? What happens if your 1040 gets incinerate
111 LTBEWR : There can be no doubt this was a personal domestic terror attack. Some are questioning if there was additional fuel or other substances on the plane b
112 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : With all due respect, . There can absolutely be a doubt, and, to be honest, I don't believe it has anything to do with an act of terrorism. This seem
113 LoneStarMike : No. The processing center is in another part of town. I had read that the building that was hit investigated tax fraud cases and was also where one w
114 Post contains images Skydrol : No. Unfortunately we can all count on this not being the case. The media will dwell on this until something is done to protect people from another si
115 Post contains links 71Zulu : That glass company man was Robin Dehaven. I saw his interview on FOX, the world needs more people like him. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58668
116 soon7x7 : This case is far from a terrorist event...he wasn't trying to create fear...he's apparently an average guy, had a decent living, all fell apart, who
117 Post contains links ULMFlyer : Of course this is terrorism. It couldn't be clearer. I bet there are IRS employees in fear right now, particularly after CNN is reporting 2 bodies ha
118 TCFC424 : As defined by Federal US laws and codes, this seems to match the definition for terrorism. It was an individual (which cuts out about half of the defe
119 DUALRATED : This post is not a knock on the posters above but rather on pointing out how useless the media is. Now thats the TRUTH!
120 smcmac32msn : Yeah, because one is the pilot, the other the one missing person. I'm sure all IRS employees are cowering in there caves (probably with Osama Bin Lad
121 Glom : Well that's keen. But what about the federal government? You know how little respect they have for the concept of federalism.
122 maxpower1954 : Somehow, I don't think taking away someone's pilot's license who also owns an airplane would have prevented anything. Think about the logic - gee, my
123 Post contains links Glom : Oh dear. It appears no time is too soon for the The Daily Mash.
124 MD11Engineer : Add the idiot who in 2005, crashed his microlight into the lawn in front of the Reichstag building in Berlin (the building houses the federal parliam
125 Mir : Though I believe that my overall point is still correct, this statement was based on reports that everyone had survived, reports that have now been s
126 soon7x7 : I beg to differ, he didn't martyr himself for allah or God or some radically idealistic reason...he was an average American that apparently had a dec
127 SEPilot : Just to put it into perspective, it is much easier to do a lot more damage a lot easier with a rental truck than with a small airplane. We didn't hear
128 soon7x7 : Intimidate the IRS,...there's an oximoron if I ever heard one...than that classifies all IRS agents as terrorists. In this country no other agency in
129 Post contains links LoneStarMike : The Austin American Statesman has a good graphic of how the plane came in, based on a witness's report who was at the Marie Callender's Restaurant dir
130 ULMFlyer : I can see what you are trying to say and I would agree with it if he had walked in the IRS building and opened fire against the agents handling his c
131 DiamondFlyer : Not that I want to go off topic, but some of the Arrow's have Hershey bar wings as well. Back to the topic at hand, I'm confused as to how this airpl
132 Post contains images SEPilot : True; I had forgotten that one (which, considering the fact that I have a fair amount of time in a Hershey bar wing Arrow is somewhat unforgivable.)
133 MD11Engineer : Maybe he loaded some additional flammable material into his plane before he took off. IIRC some years ago in Switzerland some guy tried to demolish a
134 AirNZ : Absolutely irrelevant. Flying an aircraft into a building full of people cannot be justified whatever the individual's alleged reason may be.
135 Post contains links and images LoneStarMike : Just some updates from today. The Federal employee has been identified as Vernon Hunter - 67 whose job was to help arrange payment plans for people wh
136 Post contains links ULMFlyer : CNN is reporting that MD11Engineer was right: The pilot's last transmissions were recorded and he sounds normal: http://www.avweb.com/other/austincra
137 Post contains links LoneStarMike : And in a twist of irony, Stack, who played keyboard and guitar, was captured on video playing with the band "Last Straw" on KTBC-TV in March 2007. The
138 soon7x7 : I'm just rying to point out that it's pretty clear he was a guy that just got pushed to the limit and snapped, I'm not justifying what he did at all.
139 F9Animal : If his wife and kid would have been home, he probably would have taken their lives. He obviously was not sane. He also did not seem to have much rega
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