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YX/F9 New MKE Service  
User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

YX announced that they were adding two new cities from MKE. They are SAN and SEA both are seasonal. Nice to see more service here in MKE even though it is seasonal.

http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/84724907.html


Mark in MKE


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

This is already being discussed on this thread at this time:
New Frontier Midwest - #3 (by mariner Feb 12 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Yes, we in SAN are very happy to see Midwest back in town,... or we are happy to see more options from Frontier,... or whatever from whomever...

Daily Airbus 319 service from 4/17 thru 11/19 for San Diego and I'm sure it will be year-round service soon! FL also flies the route but they don't start their "season" until the end of May; YX will have a nice headstart on the route!

My theory is that Midwest must know that San Diego's horrible winter weather and all the snow is gone by mid-April while the AirTran people in Orlando think it lasts until late May... Hmmmm, see kids, it pays to do your homework.  

Anyway, welcome "back" to town, Midwest!

bb


User currently offlinemkeflyer717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

Well It's about time!!! lol I was almost certain YX/F9 would start these routes sooner or later and was hoping it would be announced in time for summer travel season. I'm a little surprised SEA is on a E190... I would have expected a A319. Now FL and YX are pretty much equal when it comes to west coast service out of MKE.


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User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting mkeflyer717 (Reply 2):
I'm a little surprised SEA is on a E190... I would have expected a A319.

I agree with you on this one. I thought a A319 to SEA would have been the bird of choice. I do know that AC flies the E190 from ORD-YYC. I am not sure how comfortable that would be for a flight that long.

Quoting mkeflyer717 (Reply 2):
Now FL and YX are pretty much equal when it comes to west coast service out of MKE.

I knew that RAH was going to go after FL on these routes and the winners will be the passengers in MKE.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Fares from MKE-SAN are already really low, hopefully this will keep them just as low   I flew in December for $200 a/i round-trip, at the last minute.

-a



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User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 4):
Fares from MKE-SAN are already really low, hopefully this will keep them just as low I flew in December for $200 a/i round-trip, at the last minute.

Fares in MKE are lower than ORD across the board and that even includes some international flights. Happy days here in MKE.

Mark in MKE



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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
My theory is that Midwest must know that San Diego's horrible winter weather and all the snow is gone by mid-April while the AirTran people in Orlando think it lasts until late May... Hmmmm, see kids, it pays to do your homework.

As has been said before, FL and SAN is a "It's not you, it's me" situation. It's true SAN is not that seasonal of a destination. However, Florida and Caribbean destinations are very seasonal and for FL, SAN is not high enough up on the destination list to be served in the winter which occupies a 73G for at least 8 hours.



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User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting legacytravel (Reply 3):
I agree with you on this one. I thought a A319 to SEA would have been the bird of choice. I do know that AC flies the E190 from ORD-YYC. I am not sure how comfortable that would be for a flight that long.

The E-190 has wider seats than the A319. The lack of a middle seat makes it that much more appealing as well. I'd prefer an E-190 any day.

Quoting legacytravel (Thread starter):
They are SAN and SEA both are seasonal. Nice to see more service here in MKE even though it is seasonal.

I thought YX always flew MKE-SEA? Or was it MCI-SEA that I am getting it confused with?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 7):
I thought YX always flew MKE-SEA? Or was it MCI-SEA that I am getting it confused with?

Your latter option is the correct one -- SEA has retained the MCI route since the cut backs back in 2008.

bb


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 5124 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 7):
I thought YX always flew MKE-SEA? Or was it MCI-SEA that I am getting it confused with?

YX flew both SEA-MCI (717's) and SEA-MKE (MD-80's) during the summers and they were both afternoon departures from SEA.

What I find ironic is that FL's SEA-MKE flight is year-round whereas YX's service is seasonal for most of the year. It's good to see YX re-starting MKE. I just wished that either SEA-MKE or SEA-MCI was more than just 1X daily.


User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 7):
The E-190 has wider seats than the A319

This I was not aware of. I have flown on the E-170 with YX it was comfortable enough for a 90 minutes flight.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
What I find ironic is that FL's SEA-MKE

FL might have enough connecting trafffic to justify this or they are running this route at a loss for now hoping that they can mature the market a bit more.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
I just wished that either SEA-MKE or SEA-MCI was more than just 1X daily.

No where near enough demand for more than the 1x daily service from either airline.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 6):
However, Florida and Caribbean destinations are very seasonal and for FL, SAN is not high enough up on the destination list to be served in the winter which occupies a 73G for at least 8 hours.

It is hard for SAN to be high enough on the destination list for FL when they are so flakey with the schedule. They don’t take the destination seriously, so none of the passengers on this end take them seriously…

Always good to see new service. What I do find amusing about this is that San Diego will have Midwest aircraft operating Frontier flights, and Frontier aircraft operating Midwest flights! I am sure there will be confused passengers.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22991 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting legacytravel (Reply 5):
Fares in MKE are lower than ORD across the board and that even includes some international flights.

Overwhelmingly? Yes. Across the board? Certainly not.

Quoting C767P (Reply 11):
They don’t take the destination seriously, so none of the passengers on this end take them seriously…

I don't know that FL necessarily counts on brand loyalty outside of MKE and perhaps BWI; they've run SEA seasonally for ever even though it's not really a seasonal destination.



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User currently offlineBNAFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 7):
The E-190 has wider seats than the A319. The lack of a middle seat makes it that much more appealing as well. I'd prefer an E-190 any day.

I agree. It seems many people see "E" or "CR" in an aircraft designation and assume they are all cramped 50 seaters. I'd take a 170 or 190, CR7 or CR9 any day over a 3 abreast configuration.


User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Quoting legacytravel (Reply 10):
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
I just wished that either SEA-MKE or SEA-MCI was more than just 1X daily.

No where near enough demand for more than the 1x daily service from either airline.

I don't know about demand, but I fly to SEA-IND often and FL has had some of the lowest fares in that market. However I have picked DL because of the fact that FL is only once daily and DL gives me 10x the connection options. I will be tempted to try both FL and YX this summer. Connecting in MKE has got to be better than the hikes I make in DTW or MSP.



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User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Also, looks as if FL is going 2x daily over the summer SEA-MKE!!!


You mad Bro???
User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Overwhelmingly? Yes. Across the board? Certainly not.

Poor choice of words on my part. I used to go to ORD for my flights. I live an hour north of MKE.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
I don't know that FL necessarily counts on brand loyalty outside of MKE and perhaps BWI; they've run SEA seasonally for ever even though it's not really a seasonal destination.

I am not sure that running SEA seasonally means that they do not care about brand loyalty. I think you will see some of these markets eventually become year around daily flights. With the FL/OO agreement to feed traffic into MKE that can only help to stimulate demand to some of these seasonal markets.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22991 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Quoting legacytravel (Reply 16):
I think you will see some of these markets eventually become year around daily flights.

I was thinking of BWI-SEA, which has been seasonal for years.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3990 times:
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Quoting AlexInWa (Reply 15):
Also, looks as if FL is going 2x daily over the summer SEA-MKE!!!

I guess what we are seeing here is the difference between two quite separate airline philosophies.

Airtran seems - stress "seems" - to be following a somewhat more traditional approach, frequency is good, much closer to the Southwest model.

Whereas Republic/Frontier/Midwest seem to have themselves - happily - a CEO is much less interested in market share. It's quite a relief.  

mariner



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
Whereas Republic/Frontier/Midwest seem to have themselves - happily - a CEO is much less interested in market share. It's quite a relief.

For a carrier "not interested in markeshare", YX sure has been adding an awful lot of capacity into MKE.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3838 times:
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 19):
For a carrier "not interested in markeshare", YX sure has been adding an awful lot of capacity into MKE.

Yes, they have, and of course, mine is a generalization, but BB has said it.

But some of them (RDU/SDF) are no-compete routes and even on the competitive routes they're not really matching capacity/frequency seat by seat.

Now it appears that the same may be true of DEN - not just the new routes, all of them no-compete with Southwest at least, but also the cancellations of FAR, TUL and, especially, SJC.

And also by the new deal of less than daily service to many places.

I think it is a very interesting concept. There is a still a deal of hang-over stuff - which appears more competitive - from before the new management started to kick in. In a year, it will be interesting to see how it looks.  

mariner

[Edited 2010-02-19 12:45:38]


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User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting AlexInWa (Reply 14):
Connecting in MKE has got to be better than the hikes I make in DTW or MSP.

It will be. The CRJ's are right in the same terminal area. A light 5 minute walk to the other gates for YX. I am not sure if the underground walkway is still there anymore. FL same thing the CRJ's are in the same gate area as mainline. ON a lighter note here it is a "bubbler" not a water fountain. Smiley face goes here.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
I was thinking of BWI-SEA, which has been seasonal for years.

I was just looking at the MKE market.

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
Whereas Republic/Frontier/Midwest seem to have themselves - happily - a CEO is much less interested in market share. It's quite a relief.

This is much like Toyota's philosophy. Toyota was focused on not being the biggest just the best. I know poor analogy considering recent events. YX philosophy is more of profitability than market share, which I beleive is the proper way to run any business.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3561 times:

AirTran seems like a very popular option to SEA, looks like YX will have a heck of a time winning over allegiance there with its less-than-daily offering vs. FL's twice daily option, but SAN should be up for grabs since AirTran doesn't exactly seem to dominate the MKE-SAN market. How come we aren't seeing MCI-SAN coming back as well??


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3554 times:
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Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 22):
How come we aren't seeing MCI-SAN coming back as well??

You may.

I would guess - and it is only a guess - they want to sort out the terminal situation at MCI first. They had to delay Midwest's move to C because the gates/secure area/jetbridges were not ready.

mariner



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 7):
The E-190 has wider seats than the A319. The lack of a middle seat makes it that much more appealing as well. I'd prefer an E-190 any day.

Yup, I have to agree with you on that. However, I have not flown on a 190 yet, I have heard plenty of good things on comfort.



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25 GentFromAlaska : So what are the commanalities between the city pairs. MKE-SEA Beer! I think we only need to look at what B6 has accomplished in SEA. They started out
26 GentFromAlaska : Nor I, But I am looking forward to it. With that said I have a stupid question Why does F9 refer to the E190 as E90 on the seating chart in their URL
27 F9Animal : I will take a guess at it, and someone please correct me if I am wrong. SABRE may refer to the aircraft as a E90?
28 Post contains images SANFan : I definitely agree with you here, Surf'n'! And I think that whichever carrier first makes the route permanent and year-'round will "win" (well, at le
29 FL787 : I know you said seems, but it seems to me like you are using WN vs. F9 comparisons and trying to apply them to YX vs. FL. Because if you take a look
30 C767P : I do not know, only guessing, but just from talking to people around San Diego, I think that FL’s routes are supported by people making SAN a desti
31 mariner : I'm not sure how that works, since BB has said that they have been able to bring the Midwest costs down to levels similar to Frontier. Is the frequen
32 FL787 : Well then I guess FL found a way to profitably serve SAN in the summer without relying on San Diegans. It may not be a good strategy long-term but it
33 FL787 : I would be shocked if they could achieve a CASM with 76 seaters that is similar to F9's 136 seaters. Either way FL has lower costs than YX and F9. To
34 mariner : I would be shocked if they were lower, too, but based on the figures BB recently presented (Next Gen conference?), the Frontier/Midwest overall combo
35 YXwatcherMkE : Ok we have SAN and SEA coming back to MKE and it is about time too! So what is next on the route map to be added? Do you pick up Branson (BKG) since S
36 ERJ170 : Personally, I am hoping to soon see RDU-MCI/DEN added.. MCI did well for ExpressJet and American Eagle (IIRC) and DEN only has 1 nonstop of WN. So in
37 legacytravel : I seen expansion heading north and west. I can see either FL or YX offering MKE-YYC, or MKE-YVR coming sooner than later. I also think MSY will be on
38 surfandsnow : LOL! I'm a Cubs fan, and I know several (Chicago suburban) North Shore families that actually buy Brewers season tickets just so they can enjoy the 1
39 Post contains images mariner : I'll take just about anything from MCI. When I first moved to the US, I lived in Lawrence, KS, for a year. I have an affection for MCI. I've been tol
40 GentFromAlaska : I was tinkering with the thought of ANC-YVR-DEN, that would be an awful early departure out of YVR. Or connect oil with oil YYZ (the Canadain oil reg
41 mariner : I often wondered of Frontier could sustain DEN-ANC through the winter as DEN-YYC-ANC. Since - I believe - MKE-ANC is a tad too far for the A319, I wo
42 surfandsnow : Where are you guys coming up with these ridiculous ideas?!? Can I have some of what you are smoking?? YX has never flown to Western Canada or Alaska.
43 mariner : So because it has never happened - it shouldn't ever happen? LOL. mariner
44 GentFromAlaska : What some might call ridiculous, others might consider outside the box thinking. Going back two or so years ago I had heard something along those lin
45 GentFromAlaska : If not on the A319 ones thoughts automatically lean toward the E190. Unfortunately the range of the E190 with a full payload appears to be 2400 nm/38
46 Post contains images mariner : I didn't think MKE-YYC-ANC was too far outside the box - MKE-YXY-ANC, that would be outside the box. Although I admit DEN-CUN-SJU is a tad radical. S
47 steex : I'm pretty certain it is legal for such a route to be flown. The reason why US carriers route their flights to Alaska through SEA (and to a lesser ex
48 GentFromAlaska : I may be wrong, I want to say U.S. Canada U.S. service cannot be flown in one continous journey or on a single flight number. Flying from SEA-YVR or
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