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Lambert To Begin $50 Million Renovation  
User currently offlinestl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

According to the St. Louis Business Journal, Lambert will begin a $50 million renovation of the ticketing hall of the main terminal, security check point for concourse C as well as renovations to modernize the A and C concourses. Lambert also plans to move AirTran, Frontier, Cape Air, and Midwest Airlines to the C concourse. The renovations are planned to begin this summer or early fall and be completed by 2012. In addition, Lambert has already begun replacing and adding new signage and has renamed the Terminals to Terminal 1 and 2.

By looking at the renderings, this looks like it will brighten and make Lambert more appealing.

A link to the full story from the St. Louis Business Journal including some renderings:
http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlou...s/stories/2010/02/15/daily44.html#

Also the news from St. Louis Post:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...A355E862576CE00748506?OpenDocument

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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Is this a good use of money for a dying airport? $50m is no small chunk of change.

Disclaimer: I've never been through STL so I don't know how bad it needs to be renovated.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 1):
eply 1, posted Thu Feb 18 2010 16:44:26 your local time (9 minutes 12 secs ago) and read 30 times:

Is this a good use of money for a dying airport? $50m is no small chunk of change.

Disclaimer: I've never been through STL so I don't know how bad it needs to be renovated.

Yeah the area will certainly be better off when the airport is obsolete.

Lets build an expressway to Chicago and just O'Hare and Midway.

Please.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

I would like to see Concourse B torn down, replaced by a concourse that connects A & C. It could probably contain 4-6 gates, depending on how they reconfigured the first gates on the "outside" of A & C. There could be a central security area stretching most of the length of the connector concourse, resulting in A & C being essentially one large concourse area behind security.

Not that there's much need for connections now, but a single security area would be a plus.

I guess these plans are better than nothing, but I hate to see D shut down, as that is the old Ozark Airplex concourse, but times change.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

How are the airlines receiving the proposals?
Unless its strictly PFC funded, their cost will rise which could further endanger service.

[Edited 2010-02-18 15:47:20]


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User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Why not close A and move the airlines to D? Wouldn't that be better, since you could then go through security either at C or at the East Terminal for airlines at the end of D?

User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 5):
Why not close A and move the airlines to D? Wouldn't that be better, since you could then go through security either at C or at the East Terminal for airlines at the end of D?

The problem with D is that there is only gates on one side of the hall, so it's a loooong walk. In the old TWA days, if your flight arrived mid concourse D and your connecting flight was at the end of C, get ready to run. I guess it doesn't really matter since connections are a thing of the past in STL.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4056 times:
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Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 5):
Why not close A and move the airlines to D? Wouldn't that be better, since you could then go through security either at C or at the East Terminal for airlines at the end of D?

They just did a lot of work fixing up A.

Quoting quickmover (Reply 6):
The problem with D is that there is only gates on one side of the hall, so it's a loooong walk. In the old TWA days, if your flight arrived mid concourse D and your connecting flight was at the end of C, get ready to run

That must have sucked. STL was/is always O&D for me, so I never connected there.

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 1):
I've never been through STL so I don't know how bad it needs to be renovated.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/SFOtrip001-1.jpg
A-12 last August. This was the AA gate before the merger. Since 2000 it has been AA, HP, US, NW, and was CO when this photo was taken.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/STLNWgate-1.jpg
NW gate a few years ago. A3 & A5. A-5 is now gone and Starbucks took its place.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/DTW-STL10-09030.jpg
Where A-5 used to be

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/STLgatesA.jpg
Another shot from the top of A before it was remodeled. The bar has been given a new look.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/TWA880.jpg
A model airplane box that I have featuring STL

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/STL1960-1.jpg
STL around 1960 (this is a postcard and the newest car I can see is a 1960 Pontiac)

STL 1985

STL in 1985

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/DTW-STL10-09010.jpg
Recent shot of baggage claim

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/DTW-STL10-09033.jpg
Outside view near A-2

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/DC-92-11-10.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/NWADC-9-312-16.jpg
STL February 2010.



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User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Awsome pictures.
I didn't know Ozark ever had gates over on C.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Unless its strictly PFC funded, their cost will rise which could further endanger service.

After April 6, I don't know that there will be any service that is that close to the brink.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 1):
Is this a good use of money for a dying airport? $50m is no small chunk of change.

Disclaimer: I've never been through STL so I don't know how bad it needs to be renovated.

I think the use of the money makes perfect sense. STL is still and will be for the foreseeable future, the main airport for the city of St. Louis and the metro area. The airport is not dying, it may have lost a good amount of service, but it is not dying. It still serves a purpose and is not going anywhere.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
I would like to see Concourse B torn down, replaced by a concourse that connects A & C. It could probably contain 4-6 gates, depending on how they reconfigured the first gates on the "outside" of A & C. There could be a central security area stretching most of the length of the connector concourse, resulting in A & C being essentially one large concourse area behind security.

At one time there were some preliminary plans to do something similar to that, connecting A and C with the old B area containing 4 gates for international service. Looked very similar to the DL/NW linear setup at DTW, but not as large a scale. This plan only had about 50 gates, but could be expanded to both the east and west as necessary.

Quoting quickmover (Reply 8):
I didn't know Ozark ever had gates over on C.

They had gates on C from the 1960's all the way up until the merger with TW. They had always shared that concourse with TWA in some manner. OZ had the southside gates and TW nad the northside and the end of the concourse.

I wonder if this will also include relocating the rental car desks and pushing the arrivals level out to the reconfigured arrivals roadway with the glass walls. I know this was part of the original Lambert expansion plan, but I have not seen any current news on it..


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 1):
Is this a good use of money for a dying airport?

I don't know, I guess it can't hurt. Probably won't make the airport any less dead.

But just wait until the Chinese arrive and tap into the waiting gold mine of STL!  
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
How are the airlines receiving the proposals?

They probably don't really care, since a) they aren't paying for it and b) they have so few flights there.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 1):
Is this a good use of money for a dying airport?

I don't know, I guess it can't hurt. Probably won't make the airport any less dead.

The cosmetic touches are not going to attract any new service, but it is still a necessity to keep Lambert viable. For many visitors, the airport is the first and last thing that you see, and a poor impression will haunt St. Louis forever...  

There are a number of things which can be done to get it back in shape, first being taking a wrecking ball to Concourse D. I have a couple 16lb sledge hammers in my garage, I will provide some labor if need be..  


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

I am flying out of A Concourse on Delta end of month, I will be sure to take some pictures and do a report to see the differences from my last trip out of A exactly a year ago.

Looking forward to the new changes!

Alex



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 13):
a poor impression will haunt St. Louis forever...

...just in case the city itself hasn't already made a poor impression.   



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3497 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
I don't know, I guess it can't hurt. Probably won't make the airport any less dead

It is hard to belive that in the mid 1990s it was a busy place. I remember walking down C & D and seeing nothing but hustling and bustling passengers. I have not on anything but A since 2001. My dad still flies for business a lot and he just shakes his head at what has happened. There was a time that he could fly nonstop out of STL to just about anywhere he did business. Today he has to go to ORD or DFW first to connect to where he needs to go.

St. Louis has lost a lot of major companies in the last 30 years or so (some have merged and operations deminished or they have moved out of the area, some just went out of business): McDonnel Douglas, Ralston Purina, TWA, 7up, General Dynamics, Nooter, Missouri Pacific, M-K-T, May, Jefferson Smufit, Chrysler, Ford, GM (Corvette plant), A G Edwards, Authur Anderson, Mallinckrodt, etc. Anhueser-Busch has downsized its corporate staff since the merger and I bet there will be more downsizing there. There just aren't as many business people coming and going as there used to be.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 11):
I wonder if this will also include relocating the rental car desks and pushing the arrivals level out to the reconfigured arrivals roadway with the glass walls. I know this was part of the original Lambert expansion plan, but I have not seen any current news on it..

That would be cool. The present system gets crowded with what is already there. I don't know how we managed when STL was a major hub. Of course back in those days you could pick people up in the underground parking area.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 16):
There just aren't as many business people coming and going as there used to be.

I don't think that is really the case. STL just fought well above its weight for years due to the TWA hub. And some of those business changes you cite may have actually created more business travel. I think that STL is about at the right service levels now, with the exception that I think that they could support a flight to London, at least on a seasonal basis.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Great news .. This is exciting for STL.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting quickmover (Reply 8):


I didn't know Ozark ever had gates over on C.

They also had about 3 or 4 gates on Concourse B while D was being constructed. Once D opened, those gates went to TWA.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3206 times:

I thought AA did some renovation work on C. I flew into STL, connecting from ORD to LAS, shortly before all TW flights became AA flghts, doing the long walk from the end of D to the end of C.

I connected at STL last November (MCO-STL-ORD), and the C concourse looks very different, and not just pulling down all of the TW signs and replacing them with AA signs.

It is sad to see an airport that had been a large hub become another spoke city. My understanding from friends in the St. Louis area is that the problems between St. Louis and the surrounding area on both sides of the river have made the metro area less attractive to businesses.


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