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Irish Aviation 6/10: Eitilt Gan Teorraineacha  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12600 times:

Good morning folks and welcome to our next thread of 2010 ... and just in case anyone's having trouble with the title, it's "flight without limits".

Well, 5/10 was a blast, thanks largely to MO'L and FR; let's see what the next fortnight brings us!

One thing we should try and nail straight away is the whole FR -v- EI and the so called "Aer Lingus Fan Club". Yes, there's a group of people (and I'm sure I'd be counted among them) who have strong affection for Aer Lingus; that doesn't mean that this is an "Aer Lingus thread" or that those who admire FR (or any other airline in Ireland) are not welcome here, or indeed that those who like Aer Lingus can't admire Ryanair; this is a thread for all Irish aviation, so please, let's not haggle about this in future. Everyone - Irish or not - who is interested in any aspect of Irish aviation is welcome here.

So, with that out of the way, what fun greets us on this rather grim Friday morning. Well, the hangar debate is still rumbling on. The Tainiste is probably saying to herself this morning, "thank you Willie", after the resignation of the Defence minister took the spotlight off her for a while. Sometime next week, we will no doubt have an announcement from FR saying that they've agreed a hangar deal somewhere in Eastern Europe. There is a lot in the media today, including a letter on FR's website, between MO'L and the IDA chief, specifically tackling the issue of the use of the hangar as a terminal (which FR undertook not to pursue); we still don't know why FR would not use another hangar at DUB, or why a new hangar would not be suitable. They have insisted on something which they knew they could not have, which has to raise questions about their bona fides.

We should also hear about the results of a staff ballot on EI's cost reduction plan and media reports suggest this morning that this isn't a foregone conclusion.

So, once again, over to you folks; enjoy!

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User currently offlineJBR2008 From Ireland, joined Jun 2008, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12599 times:

Posted again here as I only caught the tail end of the old thread!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 216):
"Three or four days into this, we don't know what FR's gameplan was; sure, they have denied any intention of turning it into a low cost terminal, but they have not explained why the other hangars are not acceptable, or indeed, why a new one is unacceptable."

The fact that hangar 6 is an already-built stand alone facility with huge office space and direct access to the current ramp area. Building a new hangar would probably not allow direct access to the current ramp area, as it would have to be on the far side of the field due to space constraints. That in turn would more than likely mean having to tow aircraft back and forth across active runways and taxiways, and a large volume of company vans/cars having to traverse the field to gain access to the ramp. Not to mention the amount of time it takes to obtain planning permission and the time it would take to build the facility. And would the Government/DAA agree to building another hangar of similar size to hangar 6?

Having hangar 6 would probably allow FR to centralize their entire engineering support function under one roof. Having an eclectic mix of other hangars scattered around the old SRT site (not to mention the Dublin Aerospace facility taking up a couple of these hangars as well) I reckon would simply not be as effective or worth their while.

EI are occupying an enormous facility in which they perform line maintenance (which can be done at a parking stand) and A-checks on a relatively small fleet of aircraft. Their heavy maintenance is farmed out to France, so all they need is two A320/A321 hangar bays a night for a single A check and for any AOG work (and they haven't enough aircraft to support an A check every night) and an A330 bay for the very occasional A check or AOG (and isn't most of the A330 maintenance done in SNN?). They don't have the staff to support their own heavy maintenance, and even if they wanted to, haven't the cash resources to bring it in house, or the desire after offloading Team back in the 1990s and the consequent mess that caused.

So in terms of providing and sustaining jobs in the medium to long term in that hangar, I believe that Ryanair is the only viable option, and having EI there, whatever the circumstances were that allowed them to obtain the lease on it in the first place, or whatever the legal and moral issues that exist with removing them, is a waste of a valuable asset.


Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 218):
"The poor SRT staff are being teased by this getting dangled in front of them. Where was FR last year?"

I agree that the former SRT staff are getting an awful raw deal out of this whole unsavoury situation. However, the fact remains that FR and MO'L were heavily involved in trying to obtain the lease on that hangar back last summer when it was up for grabs. I believe that if the Government had "thought on their feet" back in the summer and acted as an intermediary between FR and the DAA, this mess wouldn't exist right now. Instead, they buried their heads in the sand (politicians were on their summer holidays of course) and here we are today. Of course MO'L used the opportunity of announcing the second Prestwick hangar to berate the Government over the hangar 6 issue and gain a week's worth of media coverage for free.

The overriding issue I see here is getting as many of the former SRT staff back into employment as possible, and like it or not, at the moment the only way to do that seems to be to let MO'L have his way.


User currently offlinerojam From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12569 times:

I like these two impartial (probably 'cos they're non-Irish) altavistas on the Govt/Hangar-6/FR shenanigans - [ AvStop ] [ BBC ]


Glad to be down from the sky for an extended period.
User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

Just from the previous thread mentioning about the UNITE union jumping on the FR bandwagon about the Hanger.

These are the kind of things why these union beardies should be .... (i am not going to say).

Could you imagine that FR did give the jobs, we all no the first thing they will say is NO UNIONS. Then we will have UNITE and others crying and moaning about not allowing union membership. They would quickly forget it was them who supported the jobs. I don't care what anyone says, the tunnel vision of unions is the damnation of this country and if they can jump from one side to another it shows what a bunch of wasters they are (apologises for the rant).

BTW, just on my possible LAS trip, I have found an alternative to US airways in Delta. I know they fly 767's. Anybody had any experience with them on both international and domestic?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 3):
we all no the first thing they will say is NO UNIONS. Then we will have UNITE and others crying and moaning about not allowing union membership

Exactly , like I said a strange ''alliance''. I guess people use people when they want to for their own gains.

Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 3):

BTW, just on my possible LAS trip, I have found an alternative to US airways in Delta. I know they fly 767's. Anybody had any experience with them on both international and domestic?

Look in Trip reports there is a recent one by German member Planehunter.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12457 times:
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My understanding of the hangers in DUB is that there are 6. All in a line along the north side of the airport. H6 is the closest to the road. Dublin Aerospace is in H5. That leaves 4 hangers empty and availible for the promised FR operation. If the hangers are beside each other (and H4 can accomodate up to a B747) that counteracts the arguments about being 'scattered'.

Quoting JBR2008 (Reply 1):
Having hangar 6 would probably allow FR to centralize their entire engineering support function under one roof. Having an eclectic mix of other hangars scattered around the old SRT site (not to mention the Dublin Aerospace facility taking up a couple of these hangars as well) I reckon would simply not be as effective or worth their while.

Whle I agree that building a new hanger may take time. I'm sure that in this case the govt would have to prioritse/fast track the granting of permission and funding to such an important facility. And surely by moving EI from H6 and their mooted plans for it the govt would be putting 600-700 (whatever the cost cutting numbers were) jobs in jeopardy?

Imagine the reaction from FR if it was EI claiming to be ready to create jobs and needed to get access to an FR site..........


User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12420 times:

Quoting JBR2008 (Reply 1):
The fact that hangar 6 is an already-built stand alone facility with huge office space and direct access to the current ramp area.

If EI signed this lease at the end of 2009, why did FR only start complaining now? They were aware of the issue for months. If they had started complaining before a lease was signed, it would be a different story. Their refusal to deal with the DAA seems bizare also. They still have a big operation in Dublin, so they can't avoid DAA completely. The whole things seems a very strange way to do business.

And can we be sure of EI's plans for the hangar? At the moment, it may seem overspecd for them but perhaps over the next year they are going to concentrate their operations into H6?


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):
Imagine the reaction from FR if it was EI claiming to be ready to create jobs and needed to get access to an FR site..........

That's a very good point. That of course would never do!  
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):
Whle I agree that building a new hanger may take time. I'm sure that in this case the govt would have to prioritse/fast track the granting of permission and funding to such an important facility

Im sure this would be the case. As someone has pointed out though, another location would mean being across Rwy 16/34 which is a nightmare for towing etc etc. It would be far more beneficial to FR that it was located in the area of hangers 1-6. Knowing the complications of DUB myself, I cant argue with FR's wish here.

But: why this myopic insistence on Hanger 6?? You could knock one of the other hangers (which are quite old now) and replace it with a purpose built facility. You could extensively refurbish one of the other hangers, or even two of them. You really do have to question why the insistence on hanger 6. I think we all know EXACTLY why the insistence. MOL has tapped into the national mood, which is create jobs at any cost. In the process, he will damage the government (although they do a good job of that themselves!), the DAA and Aerlingus and get a whole load of cheap publicity. In effect, he has just turned the people of Ireland into his puppets and most seem to have fallen for it.

Good Business?? Of course, so long as your not counting on the fact that one day, people will see through it, or the fact that one day the recession will be over, and the country wont be hostage to his demands..

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):
My understanding of the hangers in DUB is that there are 6

There are in fact 9. FR have a small facility located next to T2. EI have one across RWY 16/34, amd Cityjet have one also across 16/34.

The DAA might do themselves a very big favour by sorting FR out with some facility. Their current small facility next to T2 is right in the way of a planned expansion of T2 with a new Pier F. FR will really hold all the cards at the airport if that facility remains in situ.



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Quoting EI564 (Reply 6):
And can we be sure of EI's plans for the hangar? At the moment, it may seem overspecd for them but perhaps over the next year they are going to concentrate their operations into H6?

Thats the plan. I think the office space was the draw, the hangerage an added benefit. I've heard talk of all office functions moving to H6 once the "downsizing" of EI's back office functions take place. At the very least, all of whats now in the Tech building next to Pier D will move their soon.



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User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12328 times:

Aer Lingus Chairman Colm Barrington's letter to the Irish Times can be viewed at the link below. He lays out the real side of the story well.

http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/index.html#1224264800174


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12329 times:

Now we know the real reason why MO'L and FR want hanger 6

"O'Leary wants Hangar 6 to become his new HQ"

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-to-become-his-new-hq-2070491.html


If what we here about EI looking to move their HQ into Hanger 6 it looks like they beat FR to the punch.

This just gets better and better. I thought MO'L wanted hanger 6 to be just for heavy maintaince??? Who's telling fibs now!!


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12328 times:

This should be the Hangar 6 thread of this Irish Aviation dialogue!


A long letter from the Chairman of EI in the Irish Times today includes the following quote

......."Every night, Aer Lingus has an average of more than three aircraft in Hangar 6 for routine and unscheduled maintenance, and can have as many as six in the hangar at any one time. Most of this work takes place outside daylight hours......"


User currently offlinelasno From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12206 times:

Aer Lingus now say that they can vacate Hangar 6 but they have not been asked to do so!

www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2558449


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12176 times:

Quoting lasno (Reply 14):
Aer Lingus now say that they can vacate Hangar 6 but they have not been asked to do so!

Just because they can be kicked out doesnt mean they want to be of course. But it shifts yet more blame for the debacle onto the government.

People also need to note that Aer Lingus moving to H6 also created 230 jobs....



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12174 times:
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Good point Shamrock604.

Its 230 current EI jobs with the possibility of more in the future versus the promised 300 FR jobs. And it looks pretty obvious that EI are more tied to DUB than FR, (FR have a lot more options than EI) so in theory the EI jobs 'should' be more secure.......

'Bird in the hand........' and all that..........


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12151 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 16):
Good point Shamrock604.

Its 230 current EI jobs with the possibility of more in the future versus the promised 300 FR jobs. And it looks pretty obvious that EI are more tied to DUB than FR, (FR have a lot more options than EI) so in theory the EI jobs 'should' be more secure.......

'Bird in the hand........' and all that..........

It just seems pretty simple at this stage to my mind. FR is manipulating public opinion to bully its way into a facility that someone else is renting. Call it good business. Call it clever. Call it what you want, but let's at least call it like it is. Does that make my anti-fr, pro-EI or what exactly....???

Meh, I dont really care. Thats just how I see having read whats all sides have had to say.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

Budget Travel customers’ data stolen

A USB memory stick containing the personal details of tens of thousands of Budget Travel customers has been stolen as part of an "opportunistic" robbery from the company’s headquarters.

In a letter sent to all individuals affected in recent days Simon Coyle, the liquidator of the now-closed business, confirmed that a series of personal information relating to members of the public has been stolen.

http://www.examiner.ie/text/ireland/kfkfcwojgbgb/

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2009 was second safest year for flying, says aviation body

Air travel recorded its second safest year in 2009, with one accident for every 1.4 million flights made in western-built jets compared with one per 1.2 million in 2008, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) said yesterday.

Last year’s global accident rate equated to 0.71 aircraft hulls lost per million flights, an improvement on the 0.81 in 2008, but short of the 2006 record of 0.65, the IATA said in a report.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0219/1224264800162.html

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Aer Lingus staff divided over €97m cuts plan ahead of vote

Unions at Aer Lingus yesterday admitted they have a 'hard sell' on their hands as they begin balloting their members on a €97m cost-saving plan agreed with management.

The plan will result in 600 redundancies, pay cuts of up to 10pc and a three-year pay freeze.

A controversial "leave-and-return" scheme over a year ago allowed employees to take a redundancy package of nine weeks' pay per year of service tax free. The staff could then return to work with lower pay and conditions

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...ts-plan-ahead-of-vote-2070447.html


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12057 times:

The Full letter from the EI Chairman in todays Irish Times should be read by all.

Row over Ryanair jobs plan

*

Madam, – Michael O’Leary’s use of the lives and job prospects of 300 aircraft engineers at Dublin Airport as pawns in another of his petulant and high-profile attacks on the DAA and the Government is a gross insult to the people involved. Further, his attempt to force the Government to tortuously interfere with Aer Lingus’s lease of Hangar 6 is outrageous.

Hangar 6 is the only hangar at Dublin Airport capable of accommodating more than one of the large wide-body Airbus A330 aircraft that Aer Lingus uses for its transatlantic services. Maintenance of these aircraft has been undertaken in Hangar 6 on behalf of Aer Lingus by SRT and predecessor companies for more than 10 years. Following the departure of SRT last year, Aer Lingus moved to protect its A330 maintenance capability by employing 96 staff from SRT and entering into a 20 year lease of Hangar 6. There are no circumstances under which this lease can be broken in order to provide the hangar to a third party.

Aer Lingus currently employs 230 maintenance employees, who are now engaged in maintenance work in Hangar 6. Aer Lingus’s fleet, its operations and the jobs of its 3,000 employees all depend on this work being completed regularly. Aer Lingus expects that the level of maintenance at Dublin will continue at least at the present level, and may increase as conditions in the airline industry improve. These are real, well-paid jobs that will continue for the foreseeable future.

Every night, Aer Lingus has an average of more than three aircraft in Hangar 6 for routine and unscheduled maintenance, and can have as many as six in the hangar at any one time. Most of this work takes place outside daylight hours.

There are five other hangars at Dublin Airport, all of which are suitable for maintenance of the smaller narrow body aircraft used by Ryanair.

If Mr O’Leary is truly interested in establishing an aircraft maintenance facility at Dublin Airport – and of actually hiring 300 people here – then he will not be prevented from doing so by a lack of hangar space. But his refusal to act in a normal commercial manner and to deal on the issue with the DAA (with which he interacts on a daily basis), and his attempts to overturn a legally binding contract between the DAA and Aer Lingus, all suggest that he is merely engaged in another of his quixotic attacks on those who won’t bow to his every whim.

The Government, the IDA, the DAA and Aer Lingus have offered full support in developing a maintenance facility at Dublin Airport, but Mr O’Leary has refused to engage unless he can have something that doesn’t belong to him – another child’s toy. He shows no regard for the 300 people who were led to believe that they might have job opportunities at this purported facility nor for the 230 people who are already employed by Aer Lingus in Hangar 6.

These people are being used as pawns in some twisted game that would appear to have little to do with jobs or aircraft maintenance. – Yours, etc,



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11996 times:

An excellent letter, I think; well done, CB. It is sadly rare that senior EI people defend their company so well. It's hard to disagree with a single point he raises.

User currently offlineaerecosse From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Flew on EI BCN - DUB on Wednesday A320 - outside was certainly EI but inside was definately not, different seats, pockets & lots of Spanish...... anyone know if it's to be refited with EI interior?


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User currently offlineCallBell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11949 times:

AFAIK there are no plans to re-fit the interior of the 2 A320's originally destined for Iberia. Indeed if there are plans to reduce the fleet, these two aircraft may be among the first to go.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11944 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 17):
suggest that he is merely engaged in another of his quixotic attacks on those who won’t bow to his every whim.

What does that say about Enda Kenny!



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 11921 times:

Any morning I work early shift I pass by hanger 6 and there is always 2-3 EI aircraft in there!

Not sure if its been mentioned, but Cityjet are dropping business class in favour of a premuim economy another blow to DUB-LON!


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4160 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 11905 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 22):
Not sure if its been mentioned, but Cityjet are dropping business class in favour of a premuim economy another blow to DUB-LON!

The devil is in the detail, and this should be seen as an attempt to get around the insane UK air passenger which is vastly higher for business class. There will still be a seperate cabin, flexible tickets, free meals / drinks, lounges etc, but its just Not called Business class anymore...This only applies to the LCY flights and not CDG.

same thing. new name. lower taxes. everyone wins!



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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11859 times:

I see, Ive noticed the BD front cabin loads this week have been strangley high 20+, genius!

25 wexfordflyer : What a well written letter. Well done on it. I hope plenty have a read of it.
26 aerecosse : cheers CallBell, was wondering what the story was.
27 OA260 : Early reports are not so enthusiastic especially from their top tier members who keep getting moved around the cabin even after OLCI. Reports of crew
28 JBR2008 : It's not the sort of integrated, stand-alone facility that FR require though. If FR were to accept occupancy of hangars 1 through 4, they would not b
29 shamrock321 : What a pity OA, I havnt heard anything from passengers at all, I can only see that ECO+ loads are better business loads were! Hopefully there is just
30 OA260 : I will make my own views when and if I fly it but I never thought Id say I missed the ''bento box'' . The only people that seem so far to like it is
31 Post contains links kaitak : More revelations about this whole hangar thing this morning ... it looks like FR is going to have an ongoing drip of news, just to keep thee pressure
32 Post contains links BestWestern : So, the DAA paid €20m according to this article. FR offered €13m - according to this article EI offered €22.5m - according to Irish times on Jan
33 Widebody : Ryanair offered 13m + 200,000 rent. EI offered 2.25 million rent but there's no mention of them paying the 20m lease purchase price.
34 BestWestern : 200k rent for 20 years = €4m + 13m = €17m EI 2.25m rent for 20 years = €45.m (my maths earlier were wrong) So is a bird in the hand worth more
35 tonymctigue : I cannot understand how this sort of thing keeps happening. If you're dumb enough to put sensitive personal information on something as easily stolen
36 OA260 : A very un Swiss delay today DUB ZRH two hours delayed and a upgrade in A/C to HB IOH , maybe the original one went tech??
37 Post contains images shamrock604 : Uh oh.. finger trouble.... What I meant to say of course was "this should be seen as an attempt to get around the insane UK air passenger TAX..." Now
38 styles9002 : Perhaps my math is off, but I calculate a NPV of €15.5 for FR's offer (€13 million lump sum payment and €200,000 per annum paid once a year at
39 JBR2008 : Where in the article does it say that EI will be paying 2.25m per annum in rent for the hangar? I thought neither the DAA nor EI disclosed the rent a
40 shamrock604 : Generally, FR dont offer third party at their MX facilities. Of course, given hanger 6's capacity, its always a possibility that it would have been d
41 wexfordflyer : I think the only reason that this has gotten so much attention is that most of the general public see the government stake in the DAA (and in EI) and
42 CelticMech : Just for anybody who is unfamiliar with any of the Hangars or, as many have not even stepped foot in them... Hangar 1 - Can accomodate 1x 737-800/A321
43 Post contains images aer lingus : Looking at the list, it seem like MOL can occupy Hanger 4 & 5. As you say that Hangar 2-5 is connected together, so its's just one big Hangar aft
44 BrianDromey : Are Dublin Aerospace not in Hangar 5? Either way, there is still plenty of room for any FR operation. The other thought I had is that hangar 6 would,
45 CallBell : The same could be asked of EI. Either way at the end of the day EI offered more for the use of the hangar. FR need to answer why it is H6 or nothing.
46 aer lingus : I really don't know who is occupying which hangars at DUB at the moment. Assuming all hangars are all free at the moment, FR could use hangar 4 &
47 shamrock321 : In work and snow at DUB is very very heavy! Fingers crossed my last flight gets in OK!
48 shamrock321 : EI from OTP, AGA and PRG all gone to SNN, LH to make a decision in the next few minutes, my BY headed over Kilkenny at the minute not sure if it will
49 eicvd : Yeah that snow came out of no where. Thankfully it came late in day so it shouldnt cause too much distruption.
50 shamrock321 : Lufthansa gone to Manchester, Thomson is next up. Just landed no problems.[Edited 2010-02-20 15:38:07][Edited 2010-02-20 15:39:32]
51 BrianDromey : Surprised to hear about snow. Where did that come from? :O Nightmare. Nothing worse than arriving somewhere far away from where you want to be. Even w
52 AmricanShamrok : It's been snowing on and off down around here since Thursday!
53 Eagleboy : Great info there. Now to email the papers with that....oh wait it won't make a better story than speculation so the Indo won't want it!!! This goes t
54 scarebus03 : It would appear that way on the face of it however H6 is by far the better option as it was the last built. It also had facilities built into the flo
55 Post contains links BestWestern : It now transpires that the Dublin Airport Authority briefed Enda about the legal position regarding Hangar 6 early last week, and Enda continued to p
56 ju068 : Could someone tell me what is the market share at DUB for both of these airlines?
57 dstc47 : Ten people have been taken to hospital after taking ill while flying from the Canary Islands to Cork last night, RTE radio reported this morning. The
58 Post contains links aer lingus : http://www.independent.ie/national-n...re-hangar-was-vacated-2072715.html TANAISTE Mary Coughlan received formal proposals from Ryanair chief Michael
59 shamrock604 : A few weeks ago, I would have done anything to get FF out of office. Now, after Enda's embarrasing performance over this issue, and the truly excruci
60 BestWestern : Well, why didnt FR buy SR technics when it was for sale? Paper never refused ink... A letter to a minister doesnt mean anything - its the signature o
61 shamrock604 : Assuming you mean EI and FR, together, they have about 80% of the market at DUB. FR about 45% and EI 35% at a guess.[Edited 2010-02-21 02:37:54]
62 shamrock604 : Also, why does the Tanaiste have to become involved? This isnt North Korea: FR were perfectly able to negotiate with SR technics to take the place ov
63 OA260 : Thats mad , only just got a SMS from mate saying covered in snow. I and another Anetter were on the EI 774 DUB-AGA yesterday , looks like we got out
64 scarebus03 : And you can state with certainty that the hangars were the property of SRT and not on lease from Aer Rianta/DAA? Why would FR buy something they didn
65 BestWestern : What have the green party done on this occasion? Sounds like your argument is all about politics, and not about the rights and wrongs of terminating
66 david_itl : Very nice of EI to plonk an A330 on the delayed EI20C to MAN this afternoon!
67 shamrock604 : The DAA now own the facility. Why are the DAA under any compulsion to hold a competition? They can do as they please with what is their property. Thi
68 ju068 : Could someone tell me some of these changes? Who is starting and who is increasing their flights into DUB thanks
69 ThrottleHold : Couldn't have put it better myself. The naivety and sheer gullability of the people taken in by his utterances continues to astound me. Unfortunately
70 scarebus03 : I don't particularly like MOL either however I believe he has a point. The DAA is a management agency taking care of Govt. assets and as such they sh
71 david_itl : Seeing that they've specifically mentioned what they would so in terms of routes they'd operate if they had the right equipment then we know what the
72 scarebus03 : [quote=david_itl,reply=71]Seeing that they've specifically mentioned what they would so in terms of routes they'd operate if they had the right equipm
73 kaitak : It may well be - and it's also more than sufficient for FR's operation, yet it hasn't said - and no-one seems to be pressing them - why these are not
74 david_itl : Well lets see:
75 shamrock604 : You may not be aware that EI are a tad disappointed at how the heavy maintenence is going in France - so it may well be the case that sometime in the
76 BestWestern : Lets see what the EI chairman had to say... Maintenance of [EI] aircraft has been undertaken in Hangar 6 on behalf of Aer Lingus by SRT and predecess
77 shamrock604 : Damn well said. I would go so far as to say that MOL is fast becoming FR's greatest liability. He has alienated all of the very people he needs to fu
78 Post contains images scarebus03 : Believe me I do, I worked there for nine years. And I suggest before commenting further you look at the difference between line/light and heavy/base
79 COEI2007 : I agree! Although EI currently do their heavy maintenance in France, there is rumors it could be brought back in-house. I have to say, this whole FR/
80 shamrock604 : There you go again. Im starting to think its the FR fan club who cant see logic anymore. Everytime you criticise FR, it must mean you're a shamrock l
81 BrianDromey : I see the situation very much like this: Customer comes into my store and asks for a certain phone on a certain tariff/deal. I have only one of those
82 shamrock604 : About time someone said it!!!! I knew there was a reason I had you on my RU list Brian.....
83 neutral : What's new about the present Govt approach to job losses,I fell sorry for all the former SRT workers caught up in this mess and it is a bloody big me
84 shamrock604 : Exactly. The jobs can still be had if one party is prepared to be flexible. Sadly, they are not prepared to be.
85 ThrottleHold : Maybe Christoph Mueller should challenge old mad Mick to a race around the hangar to decide who gets it!
86 Post contains images BestWestern : Well I blame the Catholic Church. If only they prayed more for St Michael - to give him "the serenity To accept the things he cannot change, Courage
87 BrianDromey : I don't buy that for one second. If someone is not willing to talk to the owner of the asset they want access to, how is that anyone else's fault? Th
88 scarebus03 : Yes they would have been but I wouldn't go throwing stones in the glasshouse just yet. During the same period how much of the public finances was kee
89 Post contains links and images BestWestern : Time to move on... Some photos of Dublin Airport Terminal 2 surfaced on boards.ie this week and the building looks very impressive
90 BrianDromey : It will definitely be an incredible transformation, when it opens. The Departure Hall reminds me a bit of ORK, albeit on a much larger scale. This ca
91 Post contains images shamrock604 : Hi ju068, sory, but we have been having heated debate here! This year, the following new services are being launched from DUB: EI to DSA, MME, increa
92 minty33 : Dont forget Europe Airpost (Air Contractors) opening a crew base in DUB and flying to Lanzarote, Lisbon, Greece, Turkey to name but a few, final list
93 BestWestern : I missed this one. I always thought that US airways was a summer only 757 service, but understand that its year round, and on a 767 for the summer, w
94 Ire2008 : If I hear anymore about the hanger fiasco I'm going to scream!!! It's like who actually cares anymore, it's boring, get over it! Just like people blam
95 Post contains links kaitak : From the terminal, yes, but along the length of 10/28 you can get some fairly good shots, particularly if 10 is in use for landings. Yes, 80% of move
96 Eagleboy : Well said. The workers are vbeing used as pawns in this. Well as CelticMech says, the photo MoL published of an 'empty' H6 was taken at an angle that
97 scarebus03 : Very interesting and follows the line of the Govt. and their poor handling of aviation policy in general. That was my point regarding the whole sorry
98 OA260 : Fab pictures , Looks really nice and cant wait to use it in November. Its actually exceeded my expectations so far in terms of design.
99 Post contains images shamrock604 : Just dont call me a shamrock lover again, and we'll get on just fine!!!! If anything, I am objective. To a fault in fact! Too true. Enda Kenny aint g
100 EI564 : I think the article over-focused on the €1bn debt. You can't build a new terminal without debt. Perhaps it thinks Dublin Airport shouldn't have bui
101 styles9002 : Very interesting article from a different perspective. The one question I do have is, if we are to accept the reports that Aer Lingus are paying €2
102 tonymctigue : Well said Brian. Everyone is using this whole thing to suit their own agendas. It has gone on far too long now. The blame rests solely at the feet of
103 BrianDromey : I was under the impression that the 200k was the amount the DAA paid SRT to gain the leasehold on H6 (or the entire hangar complex, Im not sure). FR
104 acelanzarote : Just out of interest, does anyone have any idea when Aer Lingus will start loading the winter schedules onto their website? many thanks
105 lasno : Towards the end of March, Keith
106 Post contains images EI787 : We haven't discussed the new Control Tower planned for DUB in a while: Apparantly planning permission has been granted. It looks so tall in comparison
107 Eagleboy : While I agreed that T2 is needed in DUB (if not now definitely in 5 years and onward) is there a pressing need to develop a new tower. It seems a lot
108 Aer Lingus : The new tower is subject to the parallel runway being built which is itself a long way off.
109 dstc47 : There is certain elegance to the proposed new tower, which will be a strong feature. A shame that the second parallel runway is not being built when p
110 JWMD123 : Imagine the amount of people that could be employed if they could go ahead with the parrell runway. Also, I would expect the cost to build would be s
111 Eagleboy : Well good planning would take advantage of the drop in construction demand to fund national infrastructure projects. Thus the work gets done,the coun
112 aerecosse : Fees & charges on EI flights? Looking at EI booking in early March DUB - GLA (currently 1 a day on EI) & fees & charges are €51.96. Look
113 sawtooth : I see RE have moved the CFN route from PIK to GLA, probably getting a bettter deal with the EI franchise.
114 Post contains links kaitak : The DAA seems to be suffering in the markets, due to falling pax numbers; let's hope a reversal of the decline will help ... whenever that happens. Ho
115 dstc47 : EI warn of 1,000 compulsary redundancies are possible if the staff reject the latest proposals for economies in press reports today. They also propose
116 ThrottleHold : What a coincidence that this (old and repeated) warning story of doom appears in the news on the day that the pilots begin balloting on the cost-savi
117 M6480 : EI-LAX A regular thing to happen with the older EI 330's on ETOPS flights
118 Post contains links JWMD123 : Interesting article in Business and Finance regarding EI moving all ops to hanger 6 http://www.businessandfinance.ie/news/aerlingusplanst Also at the
119 OA260 : Does anyone know what the issue was?
120 COEI2007 : I'm sure the story will resurface, and the threats will increase once the cabin crew begin balloting!
121 EI564 : I suppose EI has to have a contingency plan. Its losing a lot of money right now, so if this agreement goes awry it needs to have some idea about whe
122 COEI2007 : Things have improved, so I wouldnt agree its loosing 'a lot of money'. There contingency plan consists of cutting long-haul routes, grounding aircraf
123 Eagleboy : These sounds like the "true story" that some people here were hoping for and/or alluding to. Sounds a lot more plausible that FR wanting to set up at
124 Post contains links tonymctigue : Looks like we've got a few rounds left in this bout yet. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0224/ryanair.html
125 neutral : Ryanair,Aer Lingus and the IDA and DAA are all appearing live on the Transport committee debate on RTE website Interesting to listen to.
126 Aer Lingus : It has just finished and the meeting is adjourned until the 10th March. This seems to be never ending! Very interesting.
127 Irish251 : Managed to see some of this, though not the Ryanair contribution. Aer Lingus were very firm that they would not disclose commercial information such
128 shamrock321 : Have stayed away from this thread, have to add I have a pain in my face with F**k@ng hanger 6, Im tempted to go up and burn the thing down! Where has
129 goldcrest : Would love to see Christoph give H6 to Ryanair................in return, M O'L hands over his share in Aer Lingus.
130 neutral : I watched the whole lot on the website live it started with Ryanair then Aer Lingus the DAA and finally IDA. What did emerge was the lease on H6 is a
131 EI564 : I know it made a small profit in the second half of the year but did it suggest it could make a profit over a full year? I remember a few months ago
132 Post contains links sawtooth : I saw most of it, it was depressing viewing and would remove any grain of faith you had left in our leaders. MOL was under attack from the beginning b
133 scarebus03 : Basically nothing new but it's certainly more entertaining than any current soap opera. I remember some strange theories when I worked there about th
134 Aer Lingus : I've used the opportunity to make headway on my thesis. My news feeds are keeping me up to date on the other developments in irish aviation until thi
135 kaitak : They've reserved up to 'EKX at the moment, so it shouldn't be long until we get a new sequence of reggies! Voting is currently ongoing, so hopefully
136 ThrottleHold : What's unusual? The man's a pathilogical liar and a con-merchant. He doesn't care about anything except lining his own pocket and (even more-so) getti
137 Post contains links kaitak : You may well be correct; it's looking like a straight choice now: you want the jobs? Get EI out of H6. I'm having this vision of aviation news in 202
138 Post contains images OA260 : LOL.... I will donate the firelighters!! If they spent as much time on the health service as they have on this hanger then we might have a decent sys
139 BHD : Amen!
140 Post contains links Pe@rson : FR announces its first-ever routes to Greece: http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-s-6-new-routes-to-greece
141 M6480 : Such a time to announce that, when the country is heading for 'meltdown'
142 Post contains images OA260 : Yep great time actually. Will be a boost to Greek tourism just when its needed.
143 COEI2007 : The economy is doing really bad in Greece, so its the perfect time for FR to swoop in. I dont think A3 and OA will be happy with this! I wonder would
144 OA260 : At the moment its limited routes that they dont compete on but if there was in future a ATH-STN then they might be worried. The charter airlines and
145 Eagleboy : I don't think FR are there for the possibility of profit!!!!
146 Post contains images scarebus03 : LOL Brgds SB03
147 tonymctigue : Any particular rational reason why FR have not flown to Greece until now?
148 Post contains links kaitak : US A332 diverted to DUB today, ER MUC-PHL, due to avionics/navigation problems: http://avherald.com/h?article=427ce554&opt=1
149 shamrock350 : The Aer Lingus website has received another slight update, looks a bit smarter than before. There has been an obvious change in image as well with Aer
150 Post contains links Irish251 : Here it is, arriving: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/4388015618/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/4388015526/
151 Post contains links Eagleboy : Looking at those photos Kaitak linked to, the guy has a shot of a modified CityJet livery. Is this for a special event? Looks like they want to look a
152 BrianDromey : I think this is the standard cityJet livery now. The ex VLM Fokker 50s were painted with those "aircraft window" cheat-line. It's an improvement, I w
153 Post contains links OA260 : Strike to hit passport services Friday, February 26, 2010 Passport offices in Dublin and Cork will be hit by industrial action today. Anyone who has a
154 Nibog : I dont mind that at all,however last year I was charged £50 per person(so called admin charge!!!) for long haul flights on EI,and if I wanted to boo
155 OA260 : Yeah its deffo better booking online with your Laser or CC. This trip was booked direct on EI.COM and then hotel direct, I did do private transfers V
156 BrianDromey : Thats some saving. I think the Tour Operators have a lot more control over their pricing now so many have closed/liquidated. There will always be a m
157 neutral : Not good news One of the country's largest bookshop chains, Hughes and Hughes, has gone into receivership, threatening 225 jobs. In a statement issued
158 Nibog : Very sorry to read that,I have an old friend who works with them,and as yet I dont know how he will come out of this. There is still a long way to go
159 shamrock604 : I dont buy that last part to be honest. Traffic at DUB is well up on when Hughes and Hughes first set up in Dublin airport. We are still at 20.5m pax
160 BrianDromey : I guess it would depend on when the rent reviews. Footfall (in this case, passenger numbers through DUB/ORK) were probably factored in any rent revie
161 shamrock604 : Would the DAA not have known, or at least be able to predict, traffic falls due the recession when negotiating the rents. If not, they should have. A
162 JBR2008 : Another milestone for FR - delivery of EI-EKN this week was the 250th delivery of a 737-800 to them.
163 AmricanShamrok : They have 2 Irish stores, both are at SNN (one landside, one airside).
164 Post contains links OA260 : Angry Ryanair passenger eats his winning scratchcard A Ryanair passenger who became enraged when he was told he could not claim a scratchcard prize on
165 tonymctigue : You beat me to it OA260. Isn't that just hilarious. This guy obviously believes that every FR plane carries €10,000 on board to instantly pay out s
166 shamrock321 : All the Hughes and Hughes stores at DUB are still open altough its unclear whats going to happen to them.
167 Post contains links rojam : Ha!, like Michael's going to miss such a golden opportunity - ref. [Ryanair]. Fabulous humour - "An Anger Management Charity", "An Eating Disorder Ch
168 BestWestern : Danube Wings bites the dust in the UK and Ireland Instructions for customers of cancelled flights to Great Britain and the republic of Ireland Danube
169 Aer Lingus : Yeah but they expanded the Pier C Street shop there a few years ago to take up about 3 retail units. That can't be cheap.
170 eicvd : Thats a shame but I doubt many of us here thought it would be much of a success.
171 shamrock604 : True. Id forgot about that. Its especially unfortunate given that Pier C is now closed for construction of T2. Cant be much footfall down that end of
172 OA260 : Only last Saturday I saw their A/C parked near ours and wondered how they were doing.
173 Post contains links kaitak : Bill Cullen may have attacked him (and it's quite a withering attack, although I'd say MO'L probably sees some of these comments as "stating the obvio
174 shamrock321 : Danube Wings didnt doall that bad espeically considering it was only a once a week flight, had they added a second or third weekly flight it could hav
175 AirNZ : Eh? Travel agencies always did tailor make any holiday any customer wanted, and there is most certainly nothing whatever new in that. Where are you g
176 styles9002 : I've never heard of Bill Cullen, but I'm not sure what his aim is here? Is he trying to play the bad cop in a good cop/bad cop scheme against Ryanair
177 Eagleboy : Styles has a point. In Ireland and the UK there is an increasing 'Welfare Class' of citizens who are quite happy and able to live on social welfare pa
178 Post contains links and images OA260 : I think you need to be on the ground to totally understand the situation and especially in rural areas which have been hit hard. Hundreds of thousand
179 Post contains images shamrock604 : I think thats a bit unfair.. SRT have pulled pretty much all their ops except ZRH! STN is gone now too. If a private company wants to up shop, there
180 wexfordflyer : Very well said!! People sometimes expect the government to perform magic tricks. They think the government have some sort of special powers to do wha
181 shamrock604 : Bill Cullen is well known businessman / celebrity here in Ireland. He is a bit of a "rags to riches" story. He began selling apples on the market sta
182 Post contains links shamrock604 : Sorry to bring up the thorny subject of Hangergate again, but this item is definitely worth a read: http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...es/240210_o
183 styles9002 : Thanks for the 411, I did search Cullen online but he was squeezed out by some deceased television personality. Mr. Cullen is certainly entitled to h
184 shamrock604 : I tend to agree that it is not a constructive way to induce a good working relationship, but Bill is that kind of person. A bit like MOL himself, Mr
185 Eagleboy : I accept my slap on the wrist. I wasn't aware that SRT are pulling out elsewhere in Europe. I was given to understand (from a former SRT worker) that
186 CallBell : FR have already written off their investment in EI. Agreed it is a very strong opinion to have, but remember he was talking about MOL and not Ryanair.
187 Post contains links Nibog : Great to see the expansion of Aer Arann in Derry,with the news today of a daily flight to Man,and 6 day operation to EDI and bringing forward the depa
188 Post contains links kaitak : Some new RE routes announced (although operated by RE in its own right, not as part of the EI franchise): http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2
189 AuleyAir : great to see them expanding. Hope it work well for them. One question: when RE ATR72 will be print in EI colour? IIRC It will be deliver in April. So
190 kaitak : Hi AuleyAir, it must be this month, as the services are supposed to begin by the end of this month (28th March). I believe that RE is leasing three A
191 Post contains links tonymctigue : I didn't see this posted anywhere Full pre-clearance facilities open at Shannon http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0301/shannon.html
192 Post contains images shamrock604 : Ha ha, it wasnt meant as a slap on the wrist! Yes, you are correct about SRT pulling out even though profits were being made etc. SRT effectively wou
193 kaitak : This sounds very interesting, but I have to confess to a little cynicism; the kind of things that would be suggested are things the govt should be do
194 Post contains images shamrock604 : Apparently, this initiative is being spearheaded by the President herself, who said she felt the country needed something to lift the atmosphere of e
195 sawtooth : RE: KIR-MAN I guess that rules out the possibility of EI Regional franchise ATRs starting MAN from SNN. I was skeptical of RE agreeing to anything tha
196 shamrock604 : Maybe that is the case, but also, under the franchise agreements, RE still keeps the income from these flights. I guess it comes down to what has the
197 sawtooth : Well taking this month last year when both routes operated, RE GWY carried 3058 and FR SNN 8124. But I guess KIR is an easier/cheaper option than goin
198 shamrock604 : True, but I think MAN is one of the routes FR are getting rid of from SNN?
199 COEI2007 : I think a SNN-MAN route would still work as EI is a lot more recognised as a brand in the MAN area over RE. Its nice to see RE adding routes; I thoug
200 Ire2008 : HI just random thoughts lol, with T2 on the way, could it be possible for Virgin Atlantic to start a weekly or twice weekly rotation to MCO from DUB,
201 COEI2007 : DUB-MCO is typically low yielding, so I would be surprised to see VS enter the market. On top of this, EI has 3 weekly flights, and there are other o
202 styles9002 : While I certainly see what benefits EI would take from such a relationship, I'm still not convinced what benefit EY or QR would gain from this? IMHO,
203 sawtooth : ORK - DUB is down to 1 a day this summer, and poor timings for connections so the previously touted ORK-DUB-JFK service seems to have lost out to EI
204 AirNZ : Naw, no chance at all of Virgin Atlantic entering the transatlantic market, or any other, from Ireland....there would simply be no reason to do so. O
205 oa260 : Indeed the products are chalk and cheese. That was the issue with the DXB route and why EK didnt ''over sell'' the agreements it made with their IT f
206 Eagleboy : Well that cheery image shall keep me smiling for a few days,now to use it in a conversation with work colleagues. They might not grasp what I'm sayin
207 shamrock604 : I think the product has caught up a lot more than people give it credit for. Having flown with EK and EY, I think the only big difference is in the c
208 tonymctigue : Didn't FR almost completely pull out of MAN over some disagreement they had with Manchester Airport in relation to landing fees, leaving just DUB as
209 BrianDromey : I think RE actually offer EY more than EI would. EY already fly from multiple UK points, other than advertising "fly Easy with Etihad and West with A
210 Post contains links oa260 : Which is a big thing and personally I dont like being served slop on a longhaul flight. They need to up their game in catering its been said time and
211 COEI2007 : For QR, it gives them a foothold into the Irish market, as QR would be relatively unknown. I dont know what the potential partnerships with EY or QR
212 styles9002 : Are we talking that QR or similar start code-sharing on BFS/DUB/ORK/SNN-LHR with EI to feed QR's sevices? If that is the case, it could work similar
213 COEI2007 : Exactly, which is why I wondered why EI were looking at EY or QR as a partner. It only really makes sense for them if they launch DUB-AUH/DOH, and AU
214 kaitak : CM has already ruled out EI flying east; would it not make more sense to codeshare with a carrier that did? QR has a rapidly expanding network (which
215 minty33 : Prime Time RTE 1 2135 tonight, you will never guess what is going to be discussed and who is going to make yet another TV appearance on the matter? I
216 GLAGAZ : None from EDI. Full summer program for GLA in 2011, consisting of 2x weekly GLA-MCO following on from the success of the last few years 744 flights a
217 jrfspa320 : Just seen WW are pulling out of ORK! When was this announced?
218 Post contains links oa260 : Businesses step in to save Portrush air show Councillors in Coleraine have voted to hold the International Air Show after local businesses agreed to f
219 Post contains links JWMD123 : . Source: http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/...february-448509.html#ixzz0h7vn2Vxt
220 EIBoston : When if ever, are EI going to start using this facility?
221 LUPOR1D : Just seen WW are pulling out of ORK! When they start operating from T2 at Dublin, hence, the Dublin orginating pax will not have to deplane at Shannon
222 Shamrock350 : I think it's been expected for a while, the summer schedule last month confirmed EMA was being dropped and MAN had already been dropped earlier. EMA
223 legoguy : I was just flicking through the movements at Dubllin Airport today on ACARS and noticed a US Airways A321, registered N161UW arrived into Dublin late
224 kaitak : I thought it might have been a new aircraft, but it seems to be a (relatively) old one. Can't be operating a flight in place of a 757/767 - it'll cert
225 Post contains links kaitak : 7/10 is ready to roll ... Irish 7/10: Briongloid Ar Eitilt (by kaitak Mar 3 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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