enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 11442 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
More domestic pulldown at JFK as discussed last week. This means they expect to go forward with the US transaction IMHO.
JFK-ATL 6.0>5.4
JFK-BNA 3.0>2.0
JFK-CLE 3.0>2.0
JFK-CLT 3.0>2.0
JFK-DTW 3.0>4.0
JFK-FLL 3.0>2.0
JFK-GND 0.1>0.3
JFK-ORF 3.0>2.0
JFK-PHL 1.0>2.0
JFK-POS 0.8>0.6
JFK-RIC 4.0>1.0
JFK-YUL 3.0>2.0
F9
Effective for April
DEN-BKG 0.0>0.6
DEN-FAR 1.9>0.0
DEN-GRB 0.0>0.4
DEN-GRR 0.0>1.0
DEN-LGA 2.0>2.7
DEN-LGB 0.0>1.9
DEN-MSN 0.0>1.0
DEN-PDX 4.0>4.9
DEN-PHF 0.0>0.6
DEN-RSW 0.0>0.4
DEN-SBA 0.0>1.9
DEN-SEA 4.0>4.9
DEN-SFO 4.0>4.9
DEN-SJC 2.0>0.0 This wasn't announced was it?
DEN-SLC 6.9>4.9 Big cut
DEN-TUL 2.0>0.0
FL
ATL-UTM 0>4/wk MAY-
MCO-ACY 1>3/WK MAY- This changes every week
HA
HNL-OGG 26>24 MAR-
UA
Mostly take effect in June
DEN-IAD 8.0>8.7
DEN-LAS 7.0>8.0
DEN-LAX 8.0>8.7
DEN-MOT 0.0>2.0 DL and UA at the same time
DEN-MTJ 4.0>4.7
DEN-PIT 2.0>3.0
DEN-PSP 4.0>2.3
DEN-SBA 2.0>3.0
IAD-COS 0.0>1.0
IAD-DEN 8.0>8.7
IAD-YQB 0.0>1.0
LAX-BZN 0.0>0.7
LAX-DEN 8.0>8.7
LAX-JAC 0.0>0.7
ORD-BIL 0.0>0.7
ORD-YQR 0.0>1.0
ORD-YXE 1.0>0.0
SlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 11375 times:
Anything involving MTJ Montrose/Telluride with Delta makes me Nice to see DL keep flying here. I am guessing this is for the summer Telluride season? Lots of popular festivals and stuff.
I wish DL would start EGE-SLC service fares to the west are extremely high with AA having the only flight west and DEN connections are extremely expensive west
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 11042 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): More domestic pulldown at JFK as discussed last week. This means they expect to go forward with the US transaction IMHO.
LGA is as good as dead. No way US is going to go with it. There is zero value to US in any of it.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 10975 times:
Quoting jetlanta (Reply 9): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
LGA is as good as dead. No way US is going to go with it. There is zero value to US in any of it.
Not so fast...
We will see.
If I was Delta, I would still go for the deal because it is still an amazing deal. But what is in it for US Airways? It is one-third the number of Reagan slots; Japan is soon to be Open Skies; and US can't get access to crowded GRU even with a slot swap.
Just another too-good-to-be-true deal for Delta, just like JAL was.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16247 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10652 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): More domestic pulldown at JFK as discussed last week. This means they expect to go forward with the US transaction IMHO.
It could be related to the runway closer due to a repaving project.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 10357 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10): But what is in it for US Airways? It is one-third the number of Reagan slots; Japan is soon to be Open Skies; and US can't get access to crowded GRU even with a slot swap.
DL could still sweeten the deal....throw in some cash and US might be willing to play ball.
This one could be interpreted two ways. 1) US prepping for some sort of slot swap (though the LGA-CLT add kind of cancels that) OR 2) FL is having an impact. FL launched IND-LGA last fall (also served by DL) and I think three had become a crowd.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16247 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 10225 times:
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 14): DL could still sweeten the deal....throw in some cash and US might be willing to play ball.
If US were interested in selling the LGA assets for cash they would open it up to the highest bidder, and others I suspect would be bidding as well. In fact if US were looking to maximize their return on a sale the best way would be to sell the slots off piece by piece.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 10144 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 17): If US were interested in selling the LGA assets for cash they would open it up to the highest bidder, and others I suspect would be bidding as well. In fact if US were looking to maximize their return on a sale the best way would be to sell the slots off piece by piece.
I'd agree if US's only goal was to sell LGA slots, but that won't get them any extra DCA slots.
Does DL still consider CVG to be a hub? Granted it looks like there were some gains in there as well, like CVG-SFO and CVG-TYS, but I guess by the looks of the rest of the list, yeah, that looks like a considerable loss overall...
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27 rangercarp: Nice to see the nonstop DTW-ICT back, and a slight uptick from MSP.
28 MtnWest1979: Isn't that because they are replacing the DH4s with mainline jets? So probably increase of seats. I am assuming here that they are still running the
29 USPIT10L: Not surprised, especially given CVG's shrinking flight base. Yes, believe it or not.
30 mariner: I think it's still a reduction, probably equivalent to about one flight. Based on this and SJC, I suspect Bryan Bedford is the first CEO of the three
31 brilondon: Is this the start of two CRJ returns a day or are they sticking with the one with three Saab340 returns?
32 AirframeAS: We announced it like a week ago or so... but service really begins on RW metal, then when July rolls around F9 will begin using A318's (I believe) fo
33 mayor: In addition to this, I noticed that some of the Saab only cities were now changed to RJs. At least I imagine the others have been changed also as FSM-
34 Airport: If those mainline flights are A319s, I think it's actually quite an increase unless I'm mistaken -- 7 (or 6.9) Q400s = 518 seats 5 (or 4.9) A319s = 7
35 ERJ170: Sweet. EWN needs more air service. with only service to CLT and ATL, it's getting pretty dang dreary. I wish it could get at least one RJ or DH to Ne
36 FlyPNS1: And I bet the folks at WN and UA hope that he keeps doing it.
37 phllax: The 4 existing are Airbus. I'm surprised they're replacing with CR9's as United is reducing capacity and flights, and even throwing CR7's on some day
38 HVNandrew: Even as DL pulls more flights from CVG, there are some interesting adds. Good to see SAT and AUS back, increasing service to BDL, and as others have m
39 FilAmAirlines: Finally, an increase in service for MBS! Though it's not the route I wanted.
40 QQflyboy: As for DL @ JFK, my guess is the pulldown has more to do with the Bay Runway closure March-June. There will be, on average, 100 less departures a day
41 enilria: Quote me where I said F9 was the parent. Jeez. Read plz. I really don't think so. US is flying 40 flights between PHL and LGA. That is a VERY short-t
42 BNAFlyer: My friend who works for DL at BNA says the loss of one of the JFK flights will hurt, but he too thinks it's due more to the construction than anythin
43 Cubsrule: Who in government has power to stop them?
44 surfandsnow: I do believe we will see several airlines vying for this authority - AA, F9, and maybe even CO or B6 come to mind. 16 daily flights?!? DL's ATL-Flori
45 MAH4546: If you want to entirely ignore the fact that JetBlue, Delta and American have voluntarily agreed to reduce JFK schedules through July 2nd due to runw
46 CGKings317: Just like what my former statistics instructor told me: "correlation does not necessarily imply causation." It may or it may not be due to the slot s
47 STT757: There was a thread discussing the JFK runway closure, the runway is closing for four months. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/re
49 enilria: The Congressmen who continuously demand service to their diddly communities from DCA/LGA will ultimately force a change. Maybe VX. Definitely not F9
50 freakyrat: DL is also adding the early morning SBN-ATL flight and the late evening return flight back in for summer. Also SBN will the return of Comair doing alm
51 Cubsrule: And by what mechanism will they force a change?
52 vctony: I don't know if it's that or rather a decision not to compete with WN in a WN stronghold (SJC). I flew this route back at the end of September and wh
53 mariner: Several factors - I have no doubt Southwest may have been a part of it - but: http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjo...e/stories/2010/02/15/daily104.ht
54 enilria: They could do it by sticking it into a law, but more likely they will simply "persuade" US Airways that making an enemy of Congress is a bad idea. Fo
55 vctony: SJC's problem isn't just that. Over the past few years it seems that SFO has grown at SJC's expense. WN re-entered SFO back in 2007 and has slowly bui
56 mariner: You could do that, if you need to gang up on other posters. You could also wonder - as was stated in the other thread - if there has been acrimony be
57 deltaL1011man: You are forgeting the DCA slots. I don't see why DL doesn't try to work out a 99 year lease. They already lease half the slots they were giving to US
58 AVLAirlineFreq: Uh oh...there's a frequent poster with GSP in his or her screen name that's not going to like that!
59 STT757: If US were to sell off the LGA assets they could receive about $450 million, with kind of money they could buy as many slots at DCA from a number of
60 fjnovak1: Nice to see some good increases in service to XNA! The 3rd nonstop to MSP returns and DTW increases to 3x daily! Plus we retain 2x service to CVG and
61 mayor: Yeah, I'd like that, too.....OR..............if we had nonstop FSM-SLC service would be great. I know...I'm dreamin'.
62 fjnovak1: I'd certainly think they'd add ATL back to Ft. Smith before they'd even think of SLC...I'd hope that the FSM officials called Continental. They'll be
63 fjnovak1: I also wonder if the Delta expansion at LGA happens might they add a LGA flight to XNA and really give AA a run for their money up here....
64 joeman: RE: CVG Maybe CO could learn something from DL for a change re: CLE, although they've never discontinued Montreal to date.
65 mayor: I had a correspondence going with the previous airport director, here at FSM. When DL came back in here, with flights out of ATL, I suggested to him
66 enilria: I'm sure the cost increase is an irritation, but it has little to do with why they are losing money in SJC. I hope you read my posting in the other t
67 mariner: And if you read my post in another thread, you will see it has happened before, to Frontier, at another airport. But - think what you will, really. m
68 MtnWest1979: And let's not leave out Great Lakes LAS opening April 7 with a BE1900 doing: FMN-IGM-LAS-MCE-LAS-IGM-LAS-MCE-LAS-IGM-FMN. All Merced service will be t
69 STT757: WN, B6 and FL absolutely would, even VX if they could would.
70 fjnovak1: Seems that with FSM and some of the smaller Texas stations (DAL, LBB, MFE, AMA) they are trying to increase the chance of MEM remaining a viable hub
71 Cubsrule: ...which would be of dubious constitutionality. They can't just take US' property.
72 mayor: Well, don't forget that the FSM-MEM service was an existing NW route. DL came back in here about 2 years ago with service to ATL after having pulled
73 JFKLGANYC: "My sources are not station managers and flight attendants. Let's leave it at that. They are going to only feed the international banks now. All the s
74 flyguy1: 1. The airlines have to reduce flights between now and 7/1 due to the rwy closure. It is a big conincidence that the big JFK pulldown happens to conin
75 JFKLGANYC: 31L will reopen from KK on 7/2. There are two more phases after that. 1 phase will redo the runway through the intersection with 4L and will close dow
76 enilria: I'm aware of BOS, and as I said the story is indeed the same. The route was clearly unprofitable and airport cost increases were the final straw. Air
77 Cubsrule: Huh? How can they be bought and sold if, as you say, they are not property? How are you defining property?
78 surfandsnow: US doesn't care what its legacy archrivals AA and DL think about its actions. US, like any other rational entity, will do what is best for its own in
79 mariner: Except that when you are working on tight margins, airport costs can be the difference between profit and loss. At least, Southwest seems to think so
80 surfandsnow: Certainly the case for Ryanair. I'd say the only time Southwest actually pulled out for cost reasons was in Denver. SFO was a combination of costs, d
81 STT757: Then how do you explain their bidding war for ATA which they lost to WN?
82 mariner: I think there were other weather related issues at DEN-Stapleton as well? But they said that one reason they went back to DEN - at DIA - was because
83 enilria: You can sell the rights to a lease to another party without any ownership. The govt has always gone out of the way to remind the airlines that slots
84 mariner: Under normal circumstances that may often be true. These were not normal circumstances. mariner
85 FutureUScapt: "all the time"??? Slots are only typically only taken when a carrier keeps them dormant for an excessive period of time and another carrier desires t
87 FlyPNS1: I've followed FL pretty carefully over the years and I've never seen them say this. Not to mention the fact that they BOUGHT slots from ATA's estate
88 enilria: I was saying "rights" are (sadly) taken away in our society. True, but nobody has ever run 40 flights between PHL and LGA before either. That will ev
89 FlyPNS1: Read the link I provided. WN bought the LGA slots and FL bought the DCA slots. FL paid $1.34 million for just one pair of DCA slots. Again, I've neve
90 Cubsrule: They can? Not in the United States (unless they expressly provide for such a thing)... I suspect US knows this.
91 JFKLGANYC: Forget govt intervention. 40 flights a day is a short-term situation. It's like putting a tarp on a leaky roof . . . it only works if the roof gets fi
92 STT757: It will be a boon to the local economy for sure, just as ATA was to Hawaii. Those LGA slots in the hands of WN, B6, FL would bring more opportunities
93 JFKLGANYC: And it would help the Port Authority . . . you favorite govt agency STT. . . which really needs $ right now. More parking lot revenue, more shopping r
94 STT757: I have two favorite Government agencies, one I work for.
95 enilria: Then I withdraw my comment. The trade group for the LCCs, ACAA has also stated that they would not and should not buy slots because the majors never
96 Cubsrule: I don't know that it would be a bad thing to permit US to surrender the LGA slots with the slots simply disappearing either. LGA probably has too man
97 LipeGIG: Interesting that DL continues to scale down JFK. I don't see a signal of any deal, but may be a preparation for the terminal 3 improvement ?
98 mayor: I think that the scaling back at JFK is due to the runway construction there, this year, as has been mentioned by other members. I don't think it's d
99 mah4546: Not unless DL gets a Wal-Mart corporate contract to go with it. There is no scaling down at all. American, Delta and JetBlue have all voluntarily red
100 enilria: Sure, but that likely won't happen as they want to get some benefit from them They are also likely used as collateral in a series of loans, so if the
101 Cubsrule: AA wanted to surrender LGA slots... US might too (but saw where that got AA). Apparently, the government feels strongly enough about this to not take
102 enilria: You are in a debating mood. I don't anybody or any company wants to be on the bad side of Congress. There's a reason why companies pay millions of do
103 dsuairptman: Good news for GPT! DL removes one daily frequncies but adds more seats with 3 daily MD80's. The remainder of the flights will continue on ASA 200s, wh
104 Cubsrule: Not a bit. I'm genuinely curious. Why would anyone in Congress care, and would this "care" be enough to spur US to action? Seems like US could argue
105 enilria: That's easy. A lobbyist would need to be dispatched to visit Congressman from places like ITH, to alert them to US's PHL-LGA trick and explain how it
106 Cubsrule: I think that's the biggest question of them all... What has US cut at LGA?
107 FlyPNS1: Based on Enilria's own OAG postings, not much really. Mainly just a took a few frequencies away from the high frequency markets (like BUF, ROC, etc).
108 enilria: You guys are making me work... June 2010 vs June 2009 ACK 2>0 ALB 3>4 BUF 9>8 BWI 8>9 CMH 6>4 DAY 4>3 FPO 1/WK>0 HYA 1>0 IND
109 mayor: You mean besides Rep. Oberstar and any Congressman/woman that has an affected airport?
110 Cubsrule: So the cuts are ACK, FPO, HYA, IND, MVY, and SAV: 4 vacation destinations and 2 cities with other service to LGA. That's hardly the stuff of a politi
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Nice to see DL keep flying here. I am guessing this is for the summer Telluride season? Lots of popular festivals and stuff. 
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