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VS To Begin LHR-YVR Within 18 Months  
User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 788 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Its buried at the bottom of the article, but in his visit to Vancouver SRB announced VS will begin service within 18 months. Sounds like there will be some good deals, with three majors duking it out!

"...While the world waits for green rocket fuel West coast residents won't have to wait much longer for Virgin Atlantic as Branson unveiled plans for flights between Vancouver and London beginning in about 18 months...."

http://www.wellandtribune.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2457561

[Edited 2010-02-19 19:10:26]

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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

Been rumored for a while, was mentioned as a possible destination for the new A330's when they placed the order IIRC. Awesome to see further noises the plan isnt dead.

With the demise of Zoom & Globespan, prices back to the UK are not cheap - looking to go back to London for July and prices are currently $400 more than previously with Candian Affair (Thomas Cook / TS) and BA / AC are almost $2000 return in Y.

Good for the pax to have competition. However, while no doubt there is the traffic to fill cheap Y seats, I guess yields will take a beating. Ideal A380 route for BA IMO and I can see them replacing the 2x 744 with 1x 388 and possible a 787 in the summer in a few years time if VS do this and stick around.



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User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9102 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 1):
Ideal A380 route for BA IMO and I can see them replacing the 2x 744 with 1x 388 and possible a 787 in the summer in a few years time if VS do this and stick around.

Would love to see a BA A380 in YVR. Dare to dream!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Not going to happen.

Virgin Atlantic said the same thing about nine years ago.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8667 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Not going to happen.

Virgin Atlantic said the same thing about nine years ago.

So, are you stating that because a route did not occur nine years ago for whatever reason, you know definitively what an airline (in this case VS) will or will not do? Tell me again how many airline routes are planned but, for whatever reason are temporarily shelved? Indeed, I'd be curious into your insight as to why you clearly state it won't happen.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8623 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 4):
So, are you stating that because a route did not occur nine years ago for whatever reason, you know definitively what an airline (in this case VS) will or will not do? Tell me again how many airline routes are planned but, for whatever reason are temporarily shelved? Indeed, I'd be curious into your insight as to why you clearly state it won't happen.

What I am stating is that I can read into the typical PR garbage that Virgin Atlantic, more than any other airline, is famous for. And, for Virgin's credit, it works. Quite well. For the past five years or so, we have not only been hearing "Vancouver is next," but we have also been told, "Seattle is coming," "we will fly to Rio de Janeiro soon," and "Melbourne in no time."



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8588 times:

Another cherry pick from the BA route network. I personally don't think this will work for VS as their YVR service will be very limited without connecting traffic. BA have loads of connecting pax onto the YVR flights from the UK regions and Europe AF/KL likewise from their hubs.

User currently offlineBoeingBelly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):

there was alot of things planned with vs and other airlines about 9 years ago!!! Then the unthinkable happened in the US and thus airtravel plummeted,then there was sars,then recently a world recession! No company be it VS,BA,AA, etc in there right mind will proceed with expansion if the world of airtravel is taking a hammering! Yes VS has been announcing many new routes but will only do so when the time is right!!


User currently onlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2809 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7508 times:
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WIth MAH4546 on this one won't happen any time soon

Classic SRB grandstanding.

If it were to come from Steve Ridgway then that would be different !

Most likely V brand into Vancouver would be V Australia.

Fact is Vancouver - Europe is VERY seasonal in nature ,and it is true to say BA look to carry a LOT of onward traffic to the India subcontinent in particular.
UK regionals connects (MAN/GLA/EDI/NCL/ABZ) are also very seasonal (Northern Summer) either direct or via LHR on BA or AC.

Travel from/To Vancouver in these days looks west across the pacific. (there are more Hong Kong Chinese i think than in HK itself) along with Vietnamese, Japanese and Filipinos.

I would have add that VS is a POINT TO POINT operator and if the numbers support a 4 weekly service at some point perhaps with a stop in Calgary combined with Virgin Holidays then they may well consider it with the A330s at some point in the future.


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 9):
Travel from/To Vancouver in these days looks west across the pacific. (there are more Hong Kong Chinese i think than in HK itself) ...

There is a total population of 7 million people in HK and only 2 million people Vancouver, so that would be an impossibility.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Virgin Atlantic said the same thing about nine years ago.

And predicting what you're going to be doing 18 months from now is almost meaningless in the airline business. That's an eternity and many factors can change.

And how long did VS last after they started service to YYZ which has far more high-yield premium traffic than YVR? If memory correct they dropped YYZ after less than 6 months.


User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 6):
Another cherry pick from the BA route network. I personally don't think this will work for VS as their YVR service will be very limited without connecting traffic.

Agreed. They will be relying heavily on O/D traffic which I am sure is diluted by BA having all its feeds into LHR and by AC having BMI feed LHR and AC and Jazz feeding YVR. I don't know how well this will do.

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User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

Just think of all the possibilities that exist once /if VS joins forces with Delta / AF/KLM and SkyTeam? VS world map will be looking very different don't you think. Isn't Singapore is discussions with some folks this weekend somewhere about that 49% stake they want to offload? Anyone know a bit more information? Maybe some the Star lovers can shed some light ?

User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 9):

Travel from/To Vancouver in these days looks west across the pacific. (there are more Hong Kong Chinese i think than in HK itself)

They call it "Hongcouver" for a reason  



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 6):
Another cherry pick from the BA route network.

So you are dé facto stating that BA should not be subject to competition from anyone. Please tell me why?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
What I am stating is that I can read into the typical PR garbage that Virgin Atlantic, more than any other airline,

You can read into absolutely nothing of the sort, except for the 'outcome' that you want to read on many things. Too bad you're not as verbal about the "PR garbage" from your employer, or is that not as easily read (or digested)?


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

I dont think anyone believes what SRB mouths off anymore, except perhaps his employees. I agree with some of the postings above- if VS couldn't get YYZ to work there is no way YVR can sustain service- even with an A330.

[Edited 2010-02-20 16:50:40]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting FFlyerWorld (Reply 13):
Just think of all the possibilities that exist once /if VS joins forces with Delta / AF/KLM and SkyTeam?

What motivation would VS have to join Skyteam? If anything their ties to the Star carriers are much stronger. If they were to join an alliance, it would be Star.

But I dont think VS will join any alliance. They will be like AS and have partners from every direction.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting Multimark (Reply 10):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 9):
Travel from/To Vancouver in these days looks west across the pacific. (there are more Hong Kong Chinese i think than in HK itself) ...


There is a total population of 7 million people in HK and only 2 million people Vancouver, so that would be an impossibility.

In the last (2006) Canadian census, of metro YVR's 2.1 million residents, 382,000 said they were of Chinese ethnic origin, followed by South Asia (mainly India) with 207,000, Philippines 79,000, Korea 45,000 and Japan 25,000. Those groups were among the 875,000 who said they were from a visible minority group, meaning non-Caucasian.


User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 15):
Too bad you're not as verbal about the "PR garbage" from your employer, or is that not as easily read (or digested)?

Well since you are so much into questioning these days with your snarky rhetoric, I ask you, how do you know who his ''employer'' is anyway? How do you even know he works in the industry?


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

I'm no expert on matters but would it make pretty poor business sense to announce a new route eighteen months out?

Would it not be better to wait til as late as possible (as most airlines seem to do) to announce a new route so the competition doesnt have too much time to scupper your plans/add extra capacity etc?


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4207 times:
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If we're talking about planned routes by VS, can we please try "We look forward to introducing MAN-MIA in 1987" when speaking at the 1986 Northern Travel Fair in Manchester. Do we see that route? Took them until 1996 for them to start MAN-MCO. Therefore, whatever comes out of Branson's mouth can we treat as verbal diarrhoea.

User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Can the A330-300 which VS has ordered even do LHR-YVR? Bit of a stretch isn't it for the 300?

Can't see this route working eitherhow - very up and down with yields and as has been said - a route which strives on onward connections (and if thats going to be operated by a feeder carrier, then the yields are gonna be even worse)



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User currently offlinestarguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting LX138 (Reply 21):
Can the A330-300 which VS has ordered even do LHR-YVR? Bit of a stretch isn't it for the 300?

Even if it is, the A333 can replace long range aircraft that are currently used on short range flights, for example,A343's & A346's on BOS, LOS, JFK. These longer range aircraft could then be used elsewhere.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting LX138 (Reply 21):
Can the A330-300 which VS has ordered even do LHR-YVR?

Yes, AC do it.



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting starguy (Reply 22):
Quoting LX138 (Reply 21):
Can the A330-300 which VS has ordered even do LHR-YVR? Bit of a stretch isn't it for the 300?

Even if it is, the A333 can replace long range aircraft that are currently used on short range flights, for example,A343's & A346's on BOS, LOS, JFK. These longer range aircraft could then be used elsewhere.

I have heard that when the first A333's arrive VS will remove the current A343's in service from service.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 6):
Another cherry pick from the BA route network. I personally don't think this will work for VS as their YVR service will be very limited without connecting traffic.

Lets face it the last few routes Branson has tried to cherry pic from the BA route network have been well to say the least less than a sucess

MRU - Twice weekly flights started in late 2007. VS will discontinue the service this April. VS have as yet given no reason for discontinuing this service. I am guessing competition from LHR to MRU from BA and MK as well as AF via CDG.

ORD - VS dropped the route for winter 09/10 due to poor loads. Also having been in ORD alot last summer also due to problems with aircraft servicability. Believe it was a A343. The route will return in end of May 2010 and VS will suspend the route again on the 12 Sept 2010.

BOM - VS dropped the route in favour of a codeshare with 9W. This is one of BA's best performing routes. Howver due to competition from 9W, BA, AI and IT

Could DEL be the next route that VS will drop maybe in favour of another codeshare with 9W. Or will VS try to compete with 9W, BA and AI on the route especially with IT also opening a DEL/LHR route very soon.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
What I am stating is that I can read into the typical PR garbage that Virgin Atlantic, more than any other airline, is famous for. And, for Virgin's credit, it works. Quite well. For the past five years or so, we have not only been hearing "Vancouver is next," but we have also been told, "Seattle is coming," "we will fly to Rio de Janeiro soon," and "Melbourne in no time."

Its what VS does well is PR and spin.

I think out of the routes listed above, YVR, SEA, GIG and MEL, MEL is probably the one that has the best chance of sucess. If VS start say LHR/BKK or HKG to MEL. They could offer connections within Australia with Virgin Blue making the MEL-LON flights more appealing to the Australian public.

The only other route I can see VS starting is GIG but I am un sure if they would have the bottle to continue to operate the route through the low season. It will probably be like VS's CPT and ORD route around for the few months of the peak season then discontinued until the next peak season came around.


25 C010T3 : If that happens, it would only be because BA would most probably react by making its existing service daily.
26 Viscount724 : And LH uses the 333 FRA-SEA which is 335 nm further than LHR-YVR.
27 BALHRWWCC : I don't think BA would increase the current 3 weekly flights to daily in one go. That would be more than doubling capacity. Personally I think that B
28 C010T3 : But that's what's needed in order to maintain the competitiveness. AF (+1) and TP (+2) are increasing service and JJ is launching a new daily service
29 FFlyerWorld : Does anyone have any news/updates on the SkyTeam and VS talks over this weekend? Have not been able to get much information but wondering if Singapore
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