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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking Thread #1  
User currently offlinemoderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 69444 times:
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Continuation of Part 1 which can be read here:

Official 747-8 First Flight Thread (by Moderators Feb 4 2010 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months ago) and read 68872 times:

Next flight of RC501 might be 2/21 as she makes her way to Moses Lake, and then, eventually, Palmdale. We shall miss you here in Everett, RC501! Fare thee well and we'll see you again late this year when the flight testing is done and you are handed over to Cargolux in a delivery ceremony either at PAE or BFI.

[Edited 2010-02-22 15:14:02 by srbmod]

User currently offlinetpa36r From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 68717 times:

It wasn't answered in part 1, what were the issues the pilots said they had during the first flight?

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 68406 times:

It is almost 2:00 PM PST on Sunday Feb-21 and FlightAware doesn't yet show any flight plan today for a B747-8.
(In the previous thread it had been rumored that the second flight of RC501 would be today at noon PST).



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User currently offlineDrewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 68353 times:

Looks like flightaware picked up a flight plan for BOE501. ETD is tomorrow, 22 February at 0710.

I don't think I've ever seen Boeing file a flight plan that far in advance before.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 68056 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 5):
Looks like flightaware picked up a flight plan for BOE501. ETD is tomorrow, 22 February at 0710.

10:40 AM and RC501 is still on the ground. The main runway at PAE was cleaned by street sweepers this morning in hopes the airplane (and ZA004) will fly today. The latest rumor is that pilots report to the airplane at noon local time.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 68034 times:
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The runway is swept continuously, every day. Thanks to the contractor who screwed up the grooves, which now break off every time a large plane uses the runway.

User currently offlineclemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 67882 times:

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 5):
Looks like flightaware picked up a flight plan for BOE501. ETD is tomorrow, 22 February at 0710.

The flight plan was there this morning, but has since disappeared.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 67658 times:

Quoting tpa36r (Reply 3):
It wasn't answered in part 1, what were the issues the pilots said they had during the first flight?

I wrote out of turn. I thought the issues were public knowledge, but they are not.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 67655 times:

The pilots are onboard the aircraft! But no flight plan has been filed that I am aware of.

User currently offlineskyhawk62507 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 67470 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 9):
Quoting tpa36r (Reply 3):
It wasn't answered in part 1, what were the issues the pilots said they had during the first flight?

I wrote out of turn. I thought the issues were public knowledge, but they are not.

A poster reported on the first thread the issue was due to FOD damage sustained to engine #1 on the maiden flight. I'm not aware of any official confirmation of that, though.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 67240 times:
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N747EX departed KPAE this afternoon at 4:12pm.

User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 66771 times:

Quoting tpa36r (Reply 2):
It wasn't answered in part 1, what were the issues the pilots said they had during the first flight?

Observers of RC501 at Moses Lake might notice some things on the wing's upper surface.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 66683 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 12):
might notice some things on the wing's upper surface

Does it look anything like what William Shatner saw on the wing in the Twilight Zone?  Wow!

I know you probably are privy to internal information which you can't reveal, but your statement was truly mysterious. 



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 66546 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11):
N747EX departed KPAE this afternoon at 4:12pm.

Was this the second flight for this aircraft?

I know N747EX is the registration/tail # and BOE501 is the flight number, what is RC501? The line number? Has RC been used for all the 747s? Is the 5 used because this is the 5th version, essentially this should have been the 747-500?


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 66551 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 13):
Quoting Laddie (Reply 12):
might notice some things on the wing's upper surface

Does it look anything like what William Shatner saw on the wing in the Twilight Zone?

I know you probably are privy to internal information which you can't reveal, but your statement was truly mysterious.

Unless he is refering to engineers who have been strapped to the wings, I would imagine it is those "streamers" (not the official term I am sure) they attach to the surface to watch the airflow over the wing.  


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 66437 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 15):
Unless he is refering to engineers who have been strapped to the wings, I would imagine it is those "streamers" (not the official term I am sure) they attach to the surface to watch the airflow over the wing.

Don't like the sound of this....



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 66317 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 16):
"streamers" (not the official term I am sure) they attach to the surface to watch the airflow over the wing

The "streamers" are actually called micro-tufts. They are made of plastic (not yarn as Ostrower said a couple of weeks ago in his blog).


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 66267 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 17):
Quoting 4holer (Reply 16):
"streamers" (not the official term I am sure) they attach to the surface to watch the airflow over the wing

The "streamers" are actually called micro-tufts. They are made of plastic (not yarn as Ostrower said a couple of weeks ago in his blog).

Thanks. I had been tempted to call them leftover first place ribbons from the Paine County Fair.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 66235 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 14):
I know N747EX is the registration/tail # and BOE501 is the flight number, what is RC501

RC501 is an internal Boeing tracking number.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 16):
Don't like the sound of this....

Fear not, 4holer. Doing some flow visualization is normal for an airplane with a new wing and flaps. Remember that the 747-8 has single- and double-slotted flaps, and previous 747s had triple-slotted flaps.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2141 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 66174 times:

Here is some additional info about the actual flight testing, performed by the 3 test aircraft (RC501,521 and 522).
Parts of this reply were already published on an other (closed) thread but are published here again to explane the flight test program of the 747-8.

For the first time in Boeing's commercial flight test experience, the bulk of the program will be based away from Seattle, because the parallel test programs of both the 747-8 and the 787 would interfere too much on one location. The effort is led by Andy Hammer, Boeing 747-8 test program manager, a veteran of previous certification and test programs, including the 747 Large Cargo Freighter (LCF).

Boeing's overall target is to gain FAA and EASA certification in the fourth quarter after a 3,700-hour test program, of which around 1,600 will be flight hours and 2,100 ground test hours. The campaign will be undertaken with three aircraft

We'll undertake flutter and initial airworthiness on the first aircraft (RC501/ N747EX), and it will also be doing the high- and low-speed configuration work," says Hammer. These will be frozen during completion of the initial stability and control phase while RC501 is based out of Moses Lake, a former Strategic Air Command base in eastern Washington used for 747 testing and training since 1969.

Flight testing will then transition south to Palmdale in Southern California's high desert where Boeing aims to take full advantage of the area's clear skies, open ramp space and existing company facilities

The second 747-8F (RC521/N5017Q)) will join the flight test program as soon as RC501's work confirms the high- and low-speed configuration around mid-March. Painted identically to the first aircraft for the test program, RC521's principal task will be proving the General Electric GEnx-2B67 engines and fuel efficiency of the model measured during NAMS (nautical air miles) tests.

The third test aircraft (RC522/ no registration yet) will be rolled out with a production-standard interior, and will be allocated primarily to interior systems tests. Work will be focused on tests of the cargo handling system, environmental control system, smoke detection and halon fire suppression system. Tests will also address additional FAA special conditions concerning protection against cyber-attack, specifically electronic system security protection for the aircraft's control systems as well as for the airline "information domain.

For full flight test info see : http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...nnel=comm&id=news/Flight020410.xml

After the FF flight RC501 was in post-flight lay up and inspection. Also Engine no.1 had to be replaced after damage was found at the last stage of the turbine section, after the maiden flight. Boeing and General Electric are looking what the cause is.

Yesterday (22 feb.) the second flight was made, actually a combined test and ferry flight to Moses Lake. Here, at Grant County Airport, the initial airworthiness tests are performed.

Here is a very nice HD video of this second T/O in KPAE : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2010/02/paine-field-february-22.html

The second and third 747-8s have completed engine runs but won't fly until after the first plane has completed initial airworthiness -- hopefully within the next month.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 65817 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 14):
I know N747EX is the registration/tail # and BOE501 is the flight number, what is RC501? The line number? Has RC been used for all the 747s? Is the 5 used because this is the 5th version, essentially this should have been the 747-500?

RC501 is what's called the "variable" number. Like the serial number, it is unique to each aircraft, but it encodes more information.

R = 747. C = the particular configuration block, and 501 is a sequence number. All RC's would be 747-8F's.

This numbering scheme is consistent across Boeing Puget-Sound heritage models. All 737-classics are P, 737NG's are Y, 767's are V, 777's are W, 787's are Z (that's where "ZA001", etc. come from).

Quoting 4holer (Reply 16):
Don't like the sound of this....

Why not? It's a normal flight test technique...787 did the same thing for their early flying.

Tom.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 65299 times:

OK so how did yesterday's flight go? I assume well as there is no "big news" about it today but I did expect to see SOMETHING here!

Tugg



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 65179 times:

Quoting Tugger (Reply 22):
I assume well as there is no "big news" about it today but I did expect to see SOMETHING here!

Assume that "no news is good news." Minor issues will be kept quiet by Boeing.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 64808 times:

Flightaware shows it 'enroute" but not being tracked?


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25 tdscanuck : Can flightaware track VFR flights? Tom.
26 SupraZachAir : If they're on flight following and/or squawking a code, then sure.
27 Post contains links 747classic : During the second test flight RC501/N747EX made the first ever "747 GLS approach". see : http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archive...02/second_flight_with_
28 NA : I wonder what the chances are to see the 748F at Farnborough in July. I assume the 787 will be there, but as I´m thinking of going there a 748 appear
29 Post contains links 747classic : The fourth test flight from KMWH to KMWH of RC501 is now planned for 26 Feb , departure at 07.10AM PST. Planned duration approx 2 hours, max speed 250
30 Laddie : [quote = skyhawk62507, la r There is a good chance the 747-8F will be there if flight test goes smoothly.[Edited 2010-02-26 13:44:32]
31 zainmax : I wonder if they can fly B747-8 or B787 out of USA before getting the FAA Certification. Is it possible to be in the air show ?
32 NA : I cant anwer that question but the A380 attended many shows before it was put in service.
33 tdscanuck : They can't fly *at all* without FAA certification. Keep in mind that all aircraft (not counting things like ultralights) have to operate under some k
34 zainmax : When B772LR visited KHI in 2005. Did I get the FAA certification before flying around the world creating the record ?
35 tdscanuck : It had to have, or there would have been no way for it to get out of the US to start with. There's simply no way to (legally) get a large commercial
36 OldAeroGuy : The 772LR did not get its Part 25 Certification until 1Q 2006. All flying done in 2005 was with an Experimental ticket. Any airshow visits done by th
37 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : This is the plane which was part of the B77L "World Tour"....I took this photo when the plane flew BOM-SFO...One can see the "experimental" sign just
38 WestWing : @zainmax: I think you may have missed the point tdscanuck was making in reply 31. The 777-200LR that made the "around the word" flight did have an FAA
39 tdscanuck : Exactly. This issue pops up on a.net every 6 months or so. A normal commercial jet in revenue service has four certificates behind it: 1) Type certif
40 cosmofly : She has been in the air over 5 hr and is still flying.
41 Post contains links and images 747classic : With RC501/N747EX performing the initial airworthiness certification testing at Moses Lake , I noticed the following in KPAE, when I watched the video
42 United787 : I see two 747-8F tails painted and one not painted? Is the fourth tail being used in the testing program, the one that is not painted?
43 Post contains images 747classic : First three aircraft are test aircraft, the not painted tail is problaby the 4th produced 747-8F (L/N 1423) or already the 5th ? L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F,
44 EA772LR : Damn that's a nice looking profile of the 748 in the air. The 748 might just become the king of looks in my book. Graceful yet powerful looking. Aren
45 747classic : Probably not. All 3 test aircraft will be or are already painted in the "light Boeing" livery. The first production 747-8R7F (RC502, L/N 1423) will b
46 petera380 : I can add: LN 1426 - B747-8KZF (SCD) s/n 36138 NCA
47 Laddie : Has anyone found photos of a 747-8F on the ground at Moses Lake? I am particularly interested in photos with flaps down, especially if one can see th
48 Post contains links and images 747classic : For photos of the 747-8 in KMWH (Moses Lake), see : http://www.flickr.com and search for KWMH. At this moment RC501/N747EX is again airborn. The test
49 747classic : 747-8F (RC501- N747EX) Test update. Tests of the 747-8F have meanwhile progressed to initial airworthiness (IAW) block 2 following the successful comp
50 Post contains images WestWing : Jim Albaugh CEO of BCA reportedly asserted in an analysts conference on Tuesday March 9 that the second(?) and third(?) 747-8Fs would come online (doe
51 Post contains links 747classic : Speaking at the JP Morgan Transportation and Defense conference, Jim Albaugh CEO of BCA revealed the following 747-8F highlights : . 747-8F – three
52 WestWing : The reason for all the question marks in my post above yours is because what Mr. Albaugh reportedly said was that the third [sic] 747-8F would "come
53 Stitch : Things with Wings reported on March 1st that RC521 is completing her ground tests and will be ready to fly once RC501 gets her Initial Airworthiness
54 RayChuang : I just read both the 747-8F and the 787-8 are scheduled to start test flying from VCV pretty soon. Hopefully, we'll get some pictures by then. (By the
55 747classic : Source ? IIRC, all three 747-8F test aircraft are expected to be based together for a period at Palmdale, although specific tests will see individual
56 Post contains links cosmofly : 748 achieved airworthiness http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1113 We will see more 748s in the air.
57 Tugger : Any idea when we can expect to start hearing what the actual performance number are for the 747-8? Thanks, Tugg
58 Stitch : Boeing's Chairman stated this week that the 7478F meets contracted guarantees for payload and range, so that should bode well for making the guarante
59 747classic : The first (rough) fuel measurements are promising according Jim Albaugh CEO of BCA . However, the second 747-8F (RC521/N5017Q) principal task will be
60 Stitch : He was who I meant.
61 Post contains images frigatebird : Well, it's good to hear Boeing has got its act together with the 747-8. I don't want to sound cynical, but it's almost like a breath of fresh air to
62 Stitch : The GEnx-2B already incorporates improvements over the GEnx-1B, so what we'll likely see is -2B technologies and systems being folded back into the -
63 cosmofly : After her first fly of 4+ hours, the test pilot said he had enough fuel left for another 8 hours. How much fuel did they put in for the FF?
64 Post contains images 747classic : Here is the estimated (2008) payload/range diagram for the 747-8F. It must be verified by the tests with RC521, the second testaircraft.
65 tdscanuck : It was announced complete today. There are pictures of ZA002 out there already. Easier to deal with a public airport than the military...EDW is highl
66 ArabAirX : Once ZA5 & 6 start flying, that'll give a good indication on the performance of the said engine changes. That can only be a good thing for custom
67 Post contains links 747classic : In the press release from Boeing ( http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1113 ) the following is stated : "In the weeks ahead, the 747-8
68 Stitch : To me, the statement reads more that 43,000 feet-plus is just a testing goal and not a specific certification target.
69 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I believe he was asking for a source, since Boeing has already stated 747-8F testing is going to be occuring at PMD, not VCV. To be fair, the only pr
70 PlanesNTrains : I know someone at Boeing who was just asked to relocate from Seattle to Palm Springs for 7 months. He would be involved with flight testing on the ai
71 tdscanuck : I think it's none-of-the-above...I read that as the current testing target is 43,000'...it doesn't say anything about the final certified ceiling. Ar
72 WestWing : Matt Cawby's pics of PAE show two painted 747-8s and one green, so #2,#3 are painted (#1 is at MWH, #4 is green). Based on what Albaugh said, RC522 (
73 F9Mechanic : The test reg is N50217
74 tdscanuck : We're sure...I just drove past the paint hanger this morning and saw a nicely painted tail sticking out. Tom.
75 pnwtraveler : The aircraft sticking out of the paint hangar is #2. According to Matt it is there to get the final weigh in before fueling for its first flight on Mo
76 Post contains links MCIGuy : Fight plan for RC522: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE522
77 ER757 : So it's up and flying today! That's two first flights for Boeing on the same day - ZA003 took to the skies this morning and now the 2nd 748. Everythin
78 WestWing : So RC522 flew PAE-MWH-BFI today - first flight taking place a day earlier that projected (14th v/s 15th) Excellent! Is the RC521 first flight - projec
79 Laddie : All signs point to the 17th as the earliest date for RC521's first flight. Prep work continues today on the airplane.
80 BoeEngr : Agreed. Looks like she should fly tomorrow!
81 ER757 : [quote = skyhawk62507, la r [quote = NA, la r According to Flightaware, it should be departing any minute now. On its way to Moses Lake.
82 Post contains links catdaddy63 : RC521 is airborne! Stretching her legs a little too! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE521
83 United787 : Wow, all 3 748 test planes have completed first flights...testing in full swing! Can't wait to see the 748i fully assembled...
84 747classic : Are there any new details available of the 747-8F production line ? New serialnumbers,RC numbers, etc. How many aircraft are finished, partly finished
85 Laddie : RC522 is preparing for more flight testing today. One can see that it does not have any doors on its wing landing gear this morning. Why?
86 Laddie : Line number 1423 is on the flight line (RC502 for CLX).
87 Laddie : I'm slightly amazed that no one in the forum has picked up on the fact that RC522 flew with no landing gear doors on the wing gear on Monday, and then
88 Post contains links CCA : I'd guess they are getting performance figures for the DDG / CDL. The CDL allows for a strut door or part thereof to be missing, for example when a do
89 Laddie : Hmm...perhaps, but I'm thinking it is too early in the flight test to be worrying about such issues. I mean, the airplane doesn't even have its Type
90 Post contains links jreuschl : http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...47-8f-flap-buffet-could-force.html Flightblogger: "747-8F flap buffet could force landing gear door redesign" P
91 WarpSpeed : You pegged it as the Flightblogger article notes the old triple slotted flaps let more air flow through to dampen turbulence whereas the new flaps ha
92 CCA : Yep off the mark, hope they redesign the door rather than settle for Flap 27.
93 Post contains links and images 747classic : 747-8F Test Update : All three testaircraft are painted in "light Boeing livery", added are the initials of the the 3 crew members of the first 747 fl
94 PC12Fan : Cool. Nice gesture By Boeing.
95 Laddie : (This comment was pulled over from the 747-8F Flap Buffet Problems - Delays? thread.) I'm hearing rumors today (April 6) that this week's issue is cra
96 Stitch : And as I noted in that other thread, I saw two 747-8F's parked to the side of the Boeing Flight Test Center at BFI this afternoon, but there was no wo
97 757luver : I seen one flying overhead here today in Seattle (not sure which one) so either they got it taken care of or its like you said, it's a rumor. I only g
98 Post contains links 747classic : Both RC501 and RC522 have performed a test flight on April 6th, according FlightAware. The one you spotted in Seattle was probably RC522, stationed i
99 Laddie : I confirmed with my source that RC501 was inspected for stringer cracks on April 5 at MWH. I do not know if RC521 or RC522 have also been inspected.
100 Post contains links 747classic : The first production 747-8F (RC502 35806/1423 B747-8R7F (SCD) Cargolux) has left the paint hangar and is painted in a BMS10-103 primer gray livery, wi
101 Post contains links and images 747classic : - Boeing is evaluating whether to bolster the flight-test effort through the addition of a fourth aircraft. RC503, the second production aircraft, the
102 MadameConcorde : Thank you all for posting the news updates on the test flights. What is the chance we may see one of the testing aircrafts at the Farnborough Air Sho
103 Laddie : Boeing's current plan is to have a 748 and 788 at the FAS. This can change if the progress of flight testing slips.[Edited 2010-04-10 08:35:02]
104 Laddie : RC522 was observed with a large chine on the upper half of the wing landing gear door last week. The chine was oriented horizontally, was about a foo
105 Stitch : While it might not be the final fix, Boeing does need to gain data on the 747-8 at Flaps 30 so this temporary fix may very well allow them to gather
106 tdscanuck : To figure out what the problem is. If the chine fixes it, then you know what kind of aerodynamic modification you need. *Then* you figure out what th
107 Laddie : April 12: the chine is gone, but now the lower half of the wing landing gear door on RC522 is at a much lower angle. The lower half used to be at abou
108 Post contains images 747classic : So, Boeing is still searching for the optimum solution to alter the flowpattern over the wing gear shock strut doors over the trailing edge flaps at
109 OldAeroGuy : Since he works for Boeing, complying with this type of request could expose him to disciplinary action. Unauthorized photos on company property are n
110 Laddie : Good explanation and drawing, 747classic. Sorry, but OldAeroGuy is right. I don't have any photos I can post. I will say that a photographer standing
111 757luver : Thats quite possible, looking at your post for the gear doors, she flew with the gear down for as long as I could see till she disappeared behind the
112 Post contains links 747classic : According FlightAware, RC521 is scheduled to operate the stretches KBFI-KPAE-KBFI today with further flight testing. This will be the first flight of
113 Post contains links 747classic : On the website of Matt Cawby are three (3) perfect HD videos of the short lay-over of RC521 (N5017Q) in KPAE available. For best quality select 1080p.
114 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8F Flight Test update : - RC521 is expected to fly from Boeing Field to Palmdale as early as Monday, April 19. - RC501 is proceeding with the flut
115 Post contains links Laddie : 10:38 AM PDT: RC521 just departed BFI for MWH. After a few hours there, she is scheduled to fly down to PMD. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/
116 Post contains links 747classic : - Boeing begins flight test operations in Southern California, after landing of RC521 in Palmdale (PMD) - In the coming weeks, the two other 747-8F ai
117 Post contains links 747classic : Nice background info about the ground crews, stationed in Moses Lake, during the flight testing of the 747-8F and 787. Especially the (HD) video gives
118 CCA : Apparently the wing gear doors have been redesigned / modified and the buffet problem is solved, anyone with more info or pics?
119 Post contains links FWI747 : Try this link, some nice photos from longbachnguyen : http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbn/page2/ You can see the new rigging of the wing gear shock stru
120 Post contains links 747classic : The folowing is mentioned about the 747-8 in the Boeing press release "First Quarter Results 2010" "The 747-8 program began its flight test program du
121 Post contains links and images 747classic : 5th 747-8F on the Flight Line. Beautiful air shot of the unpainted RC503, L/N 1424, serial number 35807, the third Cargolux 747-8R7F, on the flight li
122 tdscanuck : How do you figure? Most flight test programs have more ground test time than flight test time. Without knowing the actual test hour counts for both g
123 747classic : I am aware that 1600 flight test hours and 2100 ground test hours are estimated for certification. However at the present daily flight hour built up
124 tdscanuck : Except what flightaware reports is actual flight hours; that's not the same as test hours. If you're running multiple tests in parallel (pretty norma
125 747classic : If I understand correctly, according this theory only between 320 and 800 actual flight hours are needed for 1600 hours flight testing. This "1600" n
126 Post contains links CCA : Looks like the decision has been made. Thanks to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
127 Post contains links LY4XELD : From http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ "This aircraft won't be equipped with test flight instrumentation and will conduct engineering test flights." How do
128 747classic : Thanks CCA, for finding this blog on the WWweb. - Someting must be true about my statement that the (ground ?) flight testing at the moment isn't pro
129 tdscanuck : Correct. However, I don't know if the 1600 hour number that pops up is flight hours or test hours. What's definitely true is that you accumulate test
130 Laddie : I doubt any flight test program has ever gone according to schedule. There are always surprises. The important thing for Boeing is to deliver the 748
131 Post contains links 747classic : I fully agree, but on this thread we try to follow what the progress of the program is, despite the limited information that Boeing provides about th
132 JoeCanuck : What is the word on the flaps 30...er...flap? It hasn't been banner headlines for a while and since 748's haven't been falling from the sky in droves,
133 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8F Test update : RC501/N747EX 127.87 Hours Flight Time , 66 Test Flights, stationed at KMWH, last flight April 29th RC521/N5017Q 10.53 Hours Fligh
134 Drewski2112 : Two Dornier 328 jets will be doing BFI-PMD charter flights as an employee shuttle for the 747-8F programme. Flights start next Monday and will fly "se
135 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8 bound for Germany ? In what could be its first overseas trip, indications point to the 747-8F heading to Hamburg on Friday to celebrate the 50th
136 BoeEngr : Various ground activities. Should be flying again tomorrow (5/7).
137 Post contains links and images 747classic : Thanks, for the very quick reply, so we will see RC521 airborne again tomorrow. Here is a nice (linked) picture of the flight from Moses Lake (KMWH)
138 ikramerica : Question: when adding a 4th 748 (or a 7th 788, for that matter) to the "flight" test program, is it feasible to use that aircraft solely for ground te
139 Laddie : A trip overseas before the 748F has cleared flutter and received its intial airworthiness certificate? I suppose stranger things have happened, but I
140 N14AZ : Why should Boeing send a B 744 and which B 744? Currently, there is a LH B 744 stored in HAM, unfortunately not in full colours. I agree with you, it
141 Laddie : I was just speculating, that's all. Maybe DLH can pull an 744 out of its fleet for the ceremony? The only 748s currently in the Boeing fleet are frei
142 Laddie : Official sources at Boeing confirm that none of the 748's are going to Hamburg.
143 Ronaldo747 : Besides the stored aircraft (D-ABTA) Lufthansa will send ship D-ABVK to Hamburg. It will get a special sticker to celebrate the 50 year DLH/Boeing pa
144 Post contains images Laddie : I am glad to hear these two 747s will be there. Vielen dank, Ronaldo747.[Edited 2010-05-06 13:16:02]
145 Post contains images Ronaldo747 : You're welcome
146 clickhappy : 522 will ferry to Palmdale on Sunday.
147 Post contains links and images 747classic : Found a nice article about the software side of the 747-8 and 787 flight testing in these modern times. "There was a time when flight testing consiste
148 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing starts assembly of first 747-8 Intercontinental. Boeing mechanics started assembly of the first 747-8 Intercontinental late this week at the fa
149 Post contains links 747classic : RC522 is scheduled to fly from Boeing Field to Palmdale, today at 11.09 PDT. see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE522[Edited 2010-05-09 11:33:
150 Laddie : My source says the first two Intercontinentals will be L/N 1434 (the BBJ) and 1435 (for DLH). Has there has been a firing order change? If the Interc
151 Post contains links 747classic : In an article in Aviation Week (Feb 27th) L/N 1437 is mentioned as the first passenger 747-8. (see page2). http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...01_
152 Post contains links and images 747classic : NO News at all from the "Western 747-8 Front". From FlightAware only the following can be obeserved : - RC 501 does all the flight testing the last fe
153 Laddie : Excellent summary, 747classic. Yes, the 747-8 flight testing is on schedule. Remember that not all testing is done in the air. RC521 and RC522 have n
154 Someone83 : What's the flight testing schedule for the 8i? And when can we expect roll out and first flight?
155 747classic : If the flutter has been cleared, will this be sufficient for the 747-8F to earn the expanded type inspection authorisation (TIA) from the FAA and can
156 tdscanuck : Not by itself, no. Clearing flutter is a prerequisite for TIA, but there are several other things that need to happen as well. TIA is predicated most
157 CCA : L/N 1427 unk. -8F, in assembly L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RCXXX, serial number 39238, still in assembly, first production aircraft for CPA / CX. L/N 1429 un
158 Post contains links 747classic : May 15th. Noticed on FlightAware a flight with callsign "BOE521" departed from KPMD at 09.39 PDT and arrived at destination "SHOTS" after 20 minutes (
159 tdscanuck : It looks like an oceanic waypoint. I doubt they actually landed there, it may just be the entry/exit point to whatever test area they were using. The
160 747classic : I had the same idea, but couldn't find this waypoint. So, BOE521 departed May 15th from PMD at 09.39 PDT an returned at 16.51 PDT. The test area was
161 Post contains links 747classic : I asked the same question about "SHOTS" to the FlightAware members. The following came up : Information on fix SHOTS Identifier: SHOTS Name: SHOTS Lo
162 Post contains links and images 747classic : 747-8 Flight Test Update : Good News from Palmdale Observed over the last 3 days : a sharp rise in daily flight hours flown, as RC 521/N5017Q started
163 Post contains links 747classic : From Boeing annual investor conference, Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and Chief Executive Jim Albaugh : - 747-8: Hope for TIA "some time in th
164 na : What does TIA mean, Mr Albaugh?
165 Stitch : Assuming you are not being facetious, it stands for "Type Inspection Authority" at which point FAA personnel (and perhaps Boeing personnel beyond the
166 tdscanuck : Boeing personnel beyond flight crew have been flying onboard for months; that's not a TIA restriction. TIA means you can take FAA onboard and fly cer
167 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing says : 747-8F year-end service entry is at risk !!! Boeing is warning that further delays could occur in its 747-8F certification campaign. Jim
168 cosmofly : Could it be that Boeing needs to further enhance the 748 as the A388 is getting better and better? As B needs to push the edge further and further to
169 Stitch : Well Boeing is already starting the initial assembly of the 747-8 and if they have completed 95% of the design, I can't see any major changes being i
170 pnwtraveler : Scuttlbutt I have heard is that the 747-8F with the exception of the turbulence from the gear doors, is performing above published numbers and about w
171 Post contains links and images 747classic : I agree, but it has consumed some extra flight testing time in the very thight planned flight test program. Found a photo of a 747-8F (probably RC522
172 cosmofly : Airbus is twisting the A388 wings to gain a bit more. With the current 748F test data, Boeing may be doing similar things so that they can certify su
173 Post contains links and images 747classic : According FlightAware RC521 is scheduled to fly to Southern California Logistics Airport (KVCV) today. http://boeing.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE52
174 CCA : Two questions. 1. Has anyone seen a clear shot of the redesigned wing gear doors? ie a close up. 2. When will we see the next -8F on the Boeing flight
175 747classic : Flight has been cancelled. Unable to locate any picture about this subject at the WWweb, up to now. So, Palmdale spotters, here are points to collect
176 Post contains links and images CCA : Not sure what Boeing is doing here but it looks like they reconfigured the gear doors and I assume solved the buffet problem, however in that configur
177 747classic : If your theory is correct, the modification must show up short after the TIA has been approved in the next few days. Up to now all landings must then
178 CCA : Unless the buffet is acceptable but undesirable long term, will have to try and see if they are doing F30 landings, or as you say postponing the F30 t
179 Laddie : You are looking at flow cones taped to the doors. They are plastic cones attached to monofilament string that is then taped to the door. The cones sh
180 Post contains links Laddie : L/N 1425 is on the flight line today. Look on the south side of the ramp, five stalls from the SE corner. KPAE blogger has a video of the first KAL -
181 747classic : Thanks for the info. This must be L/N 1425 - 747-8B5F, serial number 37132. Any info about the "variable" number of this aircraft. (RC5xx) According
182 Laddie : RC541 You may assume that the next airplane out of final assembly will be another KAL -8F.
183 petera380 : Thought it would be 36138/1426 RC523 B747-8KZF (SCD( NCA?
184 Laddie : Boeing press release: The 747 program cleared the 747-8 Freighter for high-speed initial airworthiness on Sunday. The completion of high-speed testing
185 747classic : As a 747 fan I am a little bit surprised and confused about this Boeing press release. I have a few questions/remarks : - Where can I find this press
186 Post contains links tdscanuck : It doesn't appear to have been released as a press release (yet, anyway). There are enough leaks inside Boeing that is may have been an internal Boei
187 bikerthai : Yup, this was mentioned in an internal Boeing news outlet (accessible to Boeing Employees, Retirees and those with the Boeing Intranet access). biker
188 CCA : L/N 1427 unk. -8F, in assembly in slant position 1, by the doors L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RCXXX, serial number 39238, slant position 2, first production a
189 Post contains links and images 747classic : Are RC521 & RC522 both stationed in So California Logistics Airport (Victorville, CA) - KVCV now ?? Trying to track the movements of both aircraft
190 Post contains links and images 747classic : According info from Laddy (reply 182) and KPAE blogger Matt Cawby , the next produced aircraft, L/N 1426 is the second KAL aircraft and is next to th
191 A10WARTHOG : Both at PMD and VCV. PMD is the home base of operation for the 747-8F No, in a earlier replay someone stated, since PMD is government controlled. The
192 CCA : I've got a photo of B-LJA sitting in the # 2 position it was moved there in the last week, I can see the first 747-8 for CX poster on the side of the
193 Post contains images cca :
194 Laddie : Flight Blogger passed along a tweet today that RC521 sustained damage to the #4 nacelle when it ran into a tug as RC521 was being towed. The airplane
195 Post contains images Stitch : The Law of Gross Tonnage in action.
196 MadameConcorde : Poor tug! I hope the driver is OK.
197 Post contains links and images 747classic : Did this happen in Victorville ? Hopefully only a few days delay for repairs, see for test progress following article : Boeing 747-8F Needs Higher Fl
198 Post contains links 747classic : Just after finishing my last reply (see above) an article by Jon Ostrower (Flightblogger) appeared over the role of the fourth test aircraft and the p
199 Post contains links CCA : You can see both if you look closely at the pics in the link in post 189 http://www.apsocal.com/index.php/topic,960.msg21625.html#msg21625
200 Post contains links 747classic : Update/Correction 747-8 Aircraft Production List : L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, first production aircraft for KAL Cargo, unpainted
201 Laddie : Sorry, but the airplane in the photo does not appear to have the wing landing gear door fix. Note how the lower half of the door still angles out at
202 CCA : I didn't say anything about the door, I only said you can see the bullnose fairing (at the top of the upper door) and you can also see the vortilons o
203 Post contains links 747classic : Fourth 747-8F test aircraft (RC503, 5th produced 747-8F)) entered the paint hangar. In a few days it will return on the KPAE flight line in "Cargolux"
204 Post contains images 747classic : All three 747 test aircraft airborn today (June 6th) RC521 is repaired and airborn again today (06.38 PDT) from Victorville. The flightplan is filed a
205 Post contains images KPDX : Gah I can't wait!!! To me, the Cargolux 74's are the best looking around.
206 Post contains links Laddie : RC503 has emerged from the paint hangar sporting her new paint job. Boeing delivered the last Cargolux 747-400 Freighter with a unique transition pain
207 Post contains links Laddie : Flight Blogger has posted the photo: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...hoto-of-note-cargolux-unveils.html
208 Post contains links na : The new livery doesnt look more modern than before, but at least it adds more colour, so I welcome it. A red tail is always nicer than a grey one! Pic
209 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing is investigating the "tug" incident and is working towards TIA. Following completion of the flaps 30 flutter modification and further progress
210 Stitch : Any idea why TIA is running later than planned? Did they first have to solve the Flaps 30 issue?
211 747classic : I think Boeing had to solve this issue first, the article in Aviation Week states : "flap vibration issue thought to be a contributing factor to a po
212 Post contains links 747classic : A Closer Look: 747-8F engine damaged in Victorville. Several photos of the damaged no #4 engine of RC521 can be seen here : http://www.flightglobal.co
213 Post contains images 747classic : Photo: Cargolux / Christian Aschmann L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, second CV production aircraft, 4th test aircraft, new Cargolux
214 Laddie : I would not be at all surprised to see RC503 show up at Farnborough this July (and maybe ZA003 too).[Edited 2010-06-08 12:06:58]
215 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing's Farnborough Outlook: ZA003 & RC503 Boeing is getting ready to firm its plans for the international debut of the 787 and 747-8. With a fin
216 tdscanuck : Boeing posted this on Twitter today: "Seeing stories about #Boeing planes at Farnborough. We're planning on the #787. The 747-8 looks less likely. #F
217 Post contains links 747classic : We will see what happens at Farnborough !! The first fuselage panels for the 1st 747-8 Intercontinental have arrived. See : http://twitpic.com/1vc6o0
218 SeJoWa : This is from memory, but I think they're using the 777 window band.
219 tdscanuck : That's my recollection also...I think 767-400ER did the same thing. Tom.
220 Stitch : That is correct.
221 Laddie : Yes. Gone are the rounded corners of the old 747 passenger windows. The shape on the 748 is the same as the 777.[Edited 2010-06-10 07:54:11]
222 Post contains links and images 747classic : Keep Sending Engine Nose Cowls. Linked (not very good quality) photo from KevinCole509. For fair downloads see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevincol
223 Post contains links and images 747classic : One more photo of completed nose sections of the first 747-Intercontinental. see BoeingAirplanes : http://twitpic.com/1vxz8l According Aerospace news
224 pnwtraveler : Does someone know offhand if the 777's window band to be used on the 748i, are the same size and just a slightly different shape, or a different size
225 Stitch : I believe the 777's windows offer more surface area than those on the 747 family (100-400).
226 Post contains links and images 747classic : Boeing begins fuselage assembly of 747-8I see : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1257 Boeing photo. For high res. photo see : http:
227 Post contains links pnwtraveler : John and a few others just tweeted - The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has granted the 747-8 Freighter expanded type inspection authorization h
228 747classic : Good News for the 747-8 freighter certification program. TIA was granted last Friday (June 11th). RC501/N747EX was one day later ferried from Moses L
229 WarpSpeed : Any idea of the variance incurred from targeted TIA vs. actual grant?
230 Laddie : The 748 windows are taller and and slightly wider than the 747-400 window. The windows were changed to keep the passenger windows looking the same ac
231 na : As for the 748 windows I have two questions: 1. will the window pattern remain the same as on the 747-400 (same distance between windows)? 2. does the
232 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing 747-8HTF, c/n 37132, HL7609, Korean Air Cargo, L/N1425, RC541 just left the paint hangar at KPAE in Korean Air Cargo livery and joined the flig
233 na : Why do Koreans 748Fs carry a "HT" desinator, and not the usual "B5"?
234 Post contains links 747classic : I asked the same question, when I first noticed the "HT" customer code. Tried several Boeing Customer Codes listings, but none has been updated (yet)
235 Post contains links and images 747classic : The first question is not known (yet). Probably the answer is yes, because if the spacing is changed also the stringers have to be redesigned.(main s
236 na : Thanks a lot for your answers, 747classic. Yyour answer to 1. seems logical even if not confirmed until now.
237 Post contains links and images Laddie : Answers: 1: Yes. The window pattern is dictated by fuselage frame spacing. The frame spacing is the same as the 744, so the window spacing remains th
238 Post contains links 747classic : A new 747-8 Intercontinental Video is released by Boeing : http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/...7-8_intercontinental_06_15_10.html
239 SEPilot : I note that Randy claims that the 748i will beat the A380 fuel consumption by 11%. The only way I can understand that is that total fuel consumption
240 tdscanuck : He's mostly likely talking fuel per trip. It's possible that he's talking fuel per seat-mile, but I don't see how the 747-8i can have that much advan
241 FX1816 : What a beautiful plane the 748 is. On my way home from work I had BOE522 Heavy fly over me while performing multiple approaches into PMD. FX1816
242 SeJoWa : Wow, great pic of this beauty! Looks like a high tech Sky Cleaver.
243 Laddie : I agree with tdscanuck. Tinseth was talking about fuel burn on a per-trip basis for a 6,000 nm mission. The A380 with its huge wing, double-decker fu
244 Post contains images EA772LR : I'm getting very excited about this plane!
245 Post contains links 747classic : According the latest 747 listing update on http://www.airlinerlist.com/ two 747-8HTF aircraft are leased from Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP), ho
246 SEPilot : Exactly. But the mission for the 748i and the A380 are the same only in that they are carrying large numbers of passengers, while the 736 is the same
247 Laddie : The official order book from Boeing says KAL has ordered five 747-8 Freighters and five Intercontinentals.
248 Post contains images na : Thanks for clearing this up. So it looks like KE is receiving seven 747-8Fs all in all (before they might order more in a few years , 5 own, 2 leased
249 tdscanuck : No. The mission for the 748i and the A380 is to carry a very large number of passengers *a very long distance*. That's why the 736 comparison falls f
250 cosmofly : People tend to think big and that is where the A380 wins. When people are conservative, they have the 77W. The trip cost advantage of 748i is only te
251 747classic : The official order/delivery book of Boeing contains only aircraft ordered/delivered new from Boeing directly. Leased aircraft from a lessor are liste
252 SEPilot : I don't believe that any airline can predict demand accurately enough to say that they can fill a 748 but not an A380 (especially with the lead time
253 nomadd22 : With that logic, all airlines would order 380s for all routes. The 748i carries considerably more people than a 777, so you seem to be argueing both
254 Post contains images astuteman : Although it seems to me that an 11% lower trip fuel burn advantage sounds a bit on the low side, based on nothing more than the Range-Payload charts
255 SEPilot : What I'm saying is the difference in capacity and trip costs between the 748 and A380 is relatively small, while the gap between the A380 and 77W is
256 Panman : Can you refer me to any airline, or any documention in fact that talks about drag per passenger. That metric is quite dumb!! PanmaN
257 Post contains images astuteman : As you would appear to be an expert on that particular subject I would defer to your superior knowledge Rgds
258 Post contains images SEPilot : It makes perfect sense to me. If you want a dumb metric how about rivets per gallon of fuel capacity?
259 Laddie : Meanwhile...back to the 748 flight testing... RC501 has been grounded quite a while at KBFI. It has not flown since 12 June. No ground testing is happ
260 Stitch : Maybe repairs to the cracked components in the aft hump?
261 747classic : RC522 is airborne at the moment from PMD, to clock up further test flying hours. However the aircraft is again flying in an area with no FlightAware c
262 Post contains links 747classic : Hey Arizona, the 747-8F is coming your way today! RC 522 has filed a flight plan from Palm (KPMD) to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (KIWA). http://flightaware.c
263 BoeEngr : Bingo. And you should see her up again this coming weekend.
264 747classic : Good news, is she staying at Boeing Field (BFI) or is she also going South to California to join the other two aircraft ?
265 BoeEngr : I'm pretty sure she'll be headed south.
266 Post contains images pnwtraveler : Remember once the first certificate was granted the 787's stayed on the ground a bit, and equipment etc. was installed. Many had a cow over that and o
267 Stitch : Not specific to the flight test program, but Korean Air Cargo's first 747-8F is in the open in full livery at PAE.
268 4holer : Thanks for that! I read your post and went right outside just in time to see her fly past! Edit: Now doing touch n goes at Gateway...[Edited 2010-06-
269 747classic : Do you mean the second one ? The first one (HL7609) is already on the KPAE flight line since June 14th. Has the second one (HL7610) already been in t
270 Laddie : The second KAL (L/N 1426) is out of the paint hangar and is parked in the SW corner of the KPAE flightline. That now makes four 748F's on the flight
271 747classic : Any info about L/N 1427 on the assembly line. Is this 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138 ??? Next in row will be L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RCXXX, serial
272 Post contains images EA772LR : The 748F in Cargolux colors looks absolutely stunning. I can't wait to see the 748I in LH colors. The 748 is the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft
273 Post contains links and images Dan23 : Inside the Factory: Cathay Pacfic's first 747-8F, originally uploaded by flightblogger http://www.flickr.com/photos/7702824@N03/4721525911/[Edited 20
274 tdscanuck : Matt Cawbry's Paine Field blog is about as good as you need for PAE. Tom.
275 Post contains images dynamicsguy : There are webcams at both, but you have be in Boeing to see them.
276 Post contains links 747classic : - Initial nautical air mile testing (NAMS) with RC521 is proceeding according targets. - Boeing doesn't want to confirm "better than expected fuel fig
277 Post contains links and images 747classic : RC522 at Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (KIWA), performing environmental control system tests and high temperature landings and T/O's. Today maximum temperature
278 Post contains images pnwtraveler : Matt does an amazing job with his stills and videos and I check his site often. Next best thing to, but not quite, a webcam .
279 na : I agree. Three cheers to him!
280 Post contains links and images 747classic : Additional Assembly Line / Flight Line Info : Photo of the flight line at KPAE, showing both Korean (leased from Guggenheim Aviation Partners) 747-8HT
281 Post contains links Stitch : The Moderators have kindly created a new thread to continue this discussion: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking Thread #2 (by moderators Jun 23 2010 in Ci
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