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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16575 times:
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Welcome to the 73rd New Zealand Aviation Thread! In Thread #72, New Zealand Aviation Thread #72 (by 777ER Feb 3 2010 in Civil Aviation)#1 , we learnt and discussed:

- Royal Brunei sign a 3 year deal for V2500 engines in CHC
- EK is swapping A345 services with B777s on Tasman
- Pacific Wings stops its IVC plans from Australia
- NZs new 'cuddle' seats and gay passengers
- NZs B77Ws with 10 abrest seating
- Mt Cook considering an interior make over for the ATRs
- QFs tasman services out of AKL

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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16573 times:

Just a general question...

What are your thoughts on the Civil Aviation Authority and Ministry of Transport?



What?
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16518 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 1):
Just a general question...

What are your thoughts on the Civil Aviation Authority and Ministry of Transport?

On the whole they (CAA) seem to do a pretty good job and are considered one of the best amoungst their contemporaries.
As for the MoT... I'm not sure how well they perform... a lot of their tasks are done behind the scenes and aren't always readily apparent.
One of the shining stars is Airways Corp. It is run commerically, makes a profit (generally), and is a world leader in its field.



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16503 times:

regarding the possibility of an Orange tail flying north out of AKL - it could be HNL rather than LAX. HNL is an AirNZ monopoly, and there does not seem to be any sign of Hawaiian coming here soon.

The JQ A332s carry some 70 additional passengers compared with the Qantas long range A332s - 38J/265Y compared with 36J/199Y - would JQ A332s have the range to carry those passengers AKL-LAX?

We thought the A332s were going to operate AKL-LAX-JFK for Qantas. Is that still happening?


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16487 times:
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Interesting article in the latest issue of Australian Aviation magazine - sorry , I dont have a link , it is the old fashioned ink on paper sort of article . They are talking about NZs new configuration and services being introduced with the 77Ws - interestingly they are focussing more on the service amendments which the NZ media dont seem to have paid much attention to .

Amongst the points the article mentions which I had not previously seen -

Y class pax will have the chance to buy a glass or two of the wines which are served on a complimentary basis to Y+ and J pax .

Delivery of meals to change - feedback has been that people often feel trapped behind their meal trays - to quote from the article "To eliminate the meal tray trap , which can last for two hours , the carrier will deliver the meal in two stages , with appetiser and enhanced main selections followed separately , and later , by dessert , biscuits and cheese "



Another change is two 58cm monitors at Galley five in Y and at door two for premium pax which "gives the perfect platform to host passengers for a wine tasting or a destination seminar"

Apologies if all the above has already been mentioned in previous threads .. but if it has I have certainly missed it .. it sounds interesting .

edited to add :
Oh yes , they also had a photo of a couple of crew in the new uniforms in the cabin mockup - the uniforms ( including the pink ) looked a lot less extreme in context than they did on someone standing around self-consciously against a plain background .

[Edited 2010-02-21 17:29:58]


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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 866 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16356 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 1):
What are your thoughts on the Civil Aviation Authority and Ministry of Transport?

Where to start. I do not think highly of the CAA and have no opinion either way on the MoT.

The current CAA Director is not well thought of (at least in my area of the sector), the previous Director was much more reasonable and liked by the industry.

The accident/incident investigation department was merged with the prosecution department a few years ago in a backwards move that if anything has hindered safety. Information you provide for an accident/incident investigation can no be used against you. This is considered by many to violate ICAO Annex 13 (I think I've got the number right) which provides that information given in the interest of safety i.e. being open and honest, should not be used to prosecute you. The CAA has tried several cases and lost most of them at a significant expense to the tax payer because of the way they mount prosecutions. Big write up in the Wings magazine about this a year or two ago and in particular, one of the cases the CAA pushed for prosecution and got ripped to shreds by the judge.

I could go on for hours......


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16352 times:

- NZs new 'cuddle' seats and gay passengers

Can we also have a topic on straight people, lesbians, oh and single mothers traveling with children who may want to book these cuddle seats etc too ?   

I don't think its going to be an issue at all if gay people book these "cuddle" seats, why should they behave and differently than any other passenger. The same rules apply to everyone, surly !!

[Edited 2010-02-21 21:17:11]


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16223 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 3):
regarding the possibility of an Orange tail flying north out of AKL - it could be HNL rather than LAX.

Is there market for another carrier? Don't NZ only fly this route 2 x weekly?


User currently offlineaerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7188 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16157 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 6):
I don't think its going to be an issue at all if gay people book these "cuddle" seats, why should they behave and differently than any other passenger. The same rules apply to everyone, surly !!

As published in the herald today...


Will apply to everyone..

[Edited 2010-02-22 01:49:34]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16152 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 3):
We thought the A332s were going to operate AKL-LAX-JFK for Qantas. Is that still happening?

Yes. Come July (IIRC) QF will only serve AKL with B738s and A330s

Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):

IMHO, yes AKL-HNL does have a market - especially for a LCC like JQ.


User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6429 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16142 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
IMHO, yes AKL-HNL does have a market - especially for a LCC like JQ.

Depends on their frequency. If they overdo it, they may not last. It'd also be interesting where the aircraft originates from - OOL or SYD sound the most likely. I actually wouldn't mind flying their A332 across the Tasman - the seats are rather comfortable and provide as much recline as if you were on a QF international A332.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4982 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16052 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 3):
would JQ A332s have the range to carry those passengers AKL-LAX?

Assuming a westbound ESAD of 6000nm , for the 233t MTOW version max payload is ~ 31t with max passenger load in the quoted configuration at ~ 27t.


User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16012 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 11):
Assuming a westbound ESAD of 6000nm , for the 233t MTOW version max payload is ~ 31t with max passenger load in the quoted configuration at ~ 27t.

again how do you get these figures?

As for JQ flying AKLLAX my questions is why?its high yield so QF would Op this route. JQ should stick to the tourist routes of SYDDPS etc.

I'm not sure why Virgin Blue do it with the V Australia brand, perhaps because the major share holders SQ and VS can't fly the Australia USA route.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15906 times:
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Quoting NZ6 (Reply 12):
As for JQ flying AKLLAX my questions is why?its high yield so QF would Op this route. JQ should stick to the tourist routes of SYDDPS etc.

I'm not sure why Virgin Blue do it with the V Australia brand, perhaps because the major share holders SQ and VS can't fly the Australia USA route.

I've got my fingers crossed for either V Australia, DL or CO to launch AKL-USA services. IMHO QF is doing a good enough service on the AKL-LAX route, so I don't believe JQ is needed on that route. If QF do need the extra lift on the route, then why can't QF operate an extra A330 service with a departure around 11pm with an LAX arrival around 3pm?


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15890 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 12):
I'm not sure why Virgin Blue do it with the V Australia brand, perhaps because the major share holders SQ and VS can't fly the Australia USA route

VS can do it anytime they want to.

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User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15877 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14):
VS can do it anytime they want to.

Are you sure?

If so then why does V Australia bother?


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15800 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
Are you sure?

If so then why does V Australia bother?

Yes

Why not? What would be the advantage in VS doing it? VBH (Virgin Blue Holdings) is the local on the spot and IS NOT controlled by the Virgin Group (VG) and wants to fly Oz-USA, how could VG stop them?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15798 times:

Hi Guys,

Can anyone help out with this info please.

A work colleague of mine is traveling to the Cook Islands with his wife and kids this Friday morning on NZ 46 from ALK. to LAX via RAR

Just wondering what the rego and name of the plane will be ??



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15772 times:
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Rob Fyfe is saying the NZ Police are undermining the airline with the Police always dobing in drunk airline employees

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ss-says-police-undermining-airline


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4982 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15730 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 12):
again how do you get these figures?

I am not sure what you mean by "again" in this context. To answer your question you need the load/range chart for an A330-200 off the Airbus web site... link..
.http://www.airbus.com/en/services/customer-services/maintenance-engineering/tech-data/aircraft-characteristics/

Open the .pdf files for the A330, go to section 3.2.1. and print out page 5.
Plotting a range of 6000nm on this chart shows a max payload of about 31t at 233t TOW. Probably the 238t version which I believe JQ are getting will probably improve on that.
To figure the equivalent still air distance I use the LAX-AKL gate to gate time of ~ 13hrs and GC distance of 5650nm.,From these values I deduct time and distance for gate to cruise and vice versa to establish the cruise time and distance . From these two values I can determine the cruise ground speed to be 456K. Assuming an air speed of 480K I factor the cruise distance by 480/456 and add back in the gate to cruise to gate distance for about 5950nm. Hence the 6000 nm that I used.
For passenger load I use the standard of 95kg incl. baggage per bum which for the JQ configuration of 284 gives about 27t.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15689 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 19):
Plotting a range of 6000nm on this chart shows a max payload of about 31t at 233t TOW. Probably the 238t version which I believe JQ are getting will probably improve on that.
To figure the equivalent still air distance I use the LAX-AKL gate to gate time of ~ 13hrs and GC distance of 5650nm.,From these values I deduct time and distance for gate to cruise and vice versa to establish the cruise time and distance . From these two values I can determine the cruise ground speed to be 456K. Assuming an air speed of 480K I factor the cruise distance by 480/456 and add back in the gate to cruise to gate distance for about 5950nm. Hence the 6000 nm that I used.
For passenger load I use the standard of 95kg incl. baggage per bum which for the JQ configuration of 284 gives about 27t.

Surely there also needs to be some allowance made for holding and diversion (to LAS, I presume)?



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4982 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15673 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):
Surely there also needs to be some allowance made for holding and diversion (to LAS, I presume)?

I don't know if an allowance is included in the gate to gate times for such an event. Since I was using the westbound scenario the question of alternates would not apply at LAX. I have sampled a number of minute by minute logs on Flightaware into and out of LAX and the time and distance is pretty consistent give or take a few minutes. For LAX departures from gate to FL31 is about 40 to 45min and 100 to 110nm.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12145 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15624 times:
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Would anyone think if JQ woud be interested in doing an AKL-HNL-LAX/LAS service? I know the HNL-LAX/LAS service wouldn't be able to be sold as domestic flights. Having the flight going to HNL and onto say LAS covers both leisure markets as JQ is mostly a leisure airline

User currently offlineaerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7188 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15626 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 17):
A work colleague of mine is traveling to the Cook Islands with his wife and kids this Friday morning on NZ 46 from ALK. to LAX via RAR

Subject to change NZ46 will be ZK-OKB. Our 777-200ER are not named.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15613 times:

Quoting aerorobNZ (Reply 23):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 17):
A work colleague of mine is traveling to the Cook Islands with his wife and kids this Friday morning on NZ 46 from ALK. to LAX via RAR

Subject to change NZ46 will be ZK-OKB. Our 777-200ER are not named.

Thank you very much.   

I'll pass it on to him.



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25 NZ107 : I've heard that DL might be looking at AKL-LAX. CO don't particularly need to because they are now *A and they could easily do a deal like UA on the
26 777ER : I do think that having an AKL-EWR route (say AKL-HNL-EWR, which cuts out NZ needing to operate AKL-HNL) would be excellent as it goes to New York, wh
27 Gemuser : NYC makes a lousy east coast hub for NZ. The back tracking alone makes it a bad choice. ORD would be a much better choice, so would IAH. ORD offers a
28 TheCommodore : Out of interest, how do you find the registrations of aircraft in advance of their scheduled flight? Do you work for NZ? And of course.... any idea i
29 777ER : Are you talking about direct AKL-ORD or one stop AKL-ORD service? ZK-OKC was the B772 involved.
30 NZ6 : Sorry I asked the same question in thread #72. Thanks though, does Boeing have the same type of website? LON Traffic connecting at LAX and SFO but th
31 BoeingVista : Hang on, 10 abrest on the 77W's? I made the effort to take a short hop on the 772's when they entered the fleet and I found it cramped and clostrophob
32 gasman : I agree, and this is also the point I have been making in the last thread. NZ is still my airline of choice, but I will not fly on a 10 abreast 77W w
33 unclekoru : An alternate is only required for LAX when the weather is below prescribed minima (weather alternate). Because LAX has independent runways, internati
34 BoeingVista : Its the wedge though and not even the thin end, the thin end was when they rammed another 2 rows into the 733's, I used to have to commute from WLG t
35 kiwiandrew : NZ have never had 734s .
36 Gemuser : Non stop They can get that with VA/VS, if its worth it. Gemuser
37 NZ1 : There are a few of us on here who work for NZ. Aerorob works in Customer Services/Pax Handling at the gate lounge (I think), I am at Tech Ops (Engine
38 ZKNZA : Some of the NZ 733 fleet had a seat increase from 136 to 142, however this only lasted for a short period, maybe 6 months in 2007. Then the fleet wen
39 BoeingVista : I jumped the ditch in early 08, after which the configuration of NZ's 733's wasn't my problem.
40 aerorobNZ : I'm in the Station Control these days. Started in Customer Services though.
41 Post contains links sunrisevalley : I missed the question that you asked in thread#72, sorry. Below is the Boeing link.. Their load/range charts are more friendly in that they show a ra
42 DavidByrne : Notwithstanding, NZ itself has stated that it has an interest in ORD when the 787s come into the fleet. Whether the subsequent changes in the market
43 Post contains links sunrisevalley : Yes. The load/range chart for the 747-400 refers to the fact that the chart complies with FAR International Reserves. which includes a 10% trip airti
44 DavidByrne : Thanks, very illuminating.
45 NZ6 : What did Air NZ do to you? sounds like you are sour to NZ more than anything else. But that invloved setting up costs etc (buying planes, pilots etc
46 Post contains images ZKNZA : So given your previous diatribe about NZ's seatpitch on the domestic fleet, you will be well preparad for whats on offer in Australia then
47 777ER : I certainly wouldn't want to do that route non stop. From LAX its 4 hours, so with a direct flight it would most likly take around 15 hours. It would
48 Gemuser : Then no where will work for you as a hub for the NA east coast
49 unclekoru : The answer to this is long and complicated with plenty of exceptions and provisos. Suffice to say, you can fly LHR-LAX for instance, not carry an alt
50 777ER : East coast flights don't need to be non stops. Theres nothing wrong with having a flight going via LAX or HNL and its nice having a lill break in the
51 ANstar : Why bother when you can feed just as effectively onto UA. It would need to be non stop for NZ to operate I would think.
52 Post contains images Cysafan : NZs new Cuddle seat??? What is that?
53 777ER : Why bother waiting 8 hours for a connecting red eye flight to the East Coast when NZ could add IAD or ORD onto an LAX or SFO flight and you could be
54 Post contains images BoeingVista : Eh? A bit of a leap that isn't it, I am complaining about the airline not the country. They busted me down from Gold to Jade, and it still hurts No,
55 Post contains links NZ1 : Go back and read the previous thread. Better still, do a search on any of the New Zealand news sites. Such as: www.nzherald.co.nz www.stuff.co.nz NZ1
56 NZ6 : NZ is the airline code for Air NZ, I was not meaning the country New Zealand. That happens when you stop flying. You would have gone Gold, Silver the
57 v2fix : Presumably Air NZ will have to commence retraining 733 pilots onto A320s, before the new Domestic and TT birds arrive. Since pilots work for years to
58 NZ1 : A320 Pilots are not a ZEAL contract. They are on an Air NZ contract, as any 733 converts will also be. The change from 733 to A320 is made by doing a
59 Zkpilot : Hence why it is highly recommended that on an aviation site like this users use NZL for New Zealand, and NZ for Air New Zealand. Saves confusion part
60 rongotai : There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, but: 1. It is not rational to criticise NZ for "turning the Wellington Koru Lounge into a building
61 gasman : Someone needs to jump to the defence of BoeingVista here! Of course it's not 'rational' to blame an airline for downgrading your frequent flier status
62 laca773 : When will NZ begin to receive their 77Ws? Will the first route(s) be: AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL or AKL-LAX?
63 Post contains links NZ107 : November. First AKL-LAX (NZ5/6) and some AKL-Aussie (the inaugural will be SYD) until they have enough aircraft to operate to LHR via LAX from Apr 20
64 Post contains links v2fix : Thanks NZ1. For some reason I thought the Zeal320 was still around, but maybe thats only for Cabin Crew. As an aside - interesting summary of NZ toda
65 NZ107 : Interesting link. Funny that LHR and HKG are noted as "other airports"
66 v2fix : I thought that - and reading the FAQ it seems that the data is provided by the airline to the IATA who pass it on. Also - did you note the Hub Attitu
67 NZ107 : It sounds to me like a guidance on what sort of model they use.. And by this it probably tends towards hub and spoke by being 55% - all of this in te
68 Post contains images Kaiarahi : You really enjoy transiting in LAX?
69 v2fix : I think you are right, Looking at some other airlines: NZ : 55% QF : 65% JQ : 35% So QF, with its large focus on Sydney, gets a high rating. JQ, beng
70 NZ6 : Just so you know I agree and I was referring to NZ as the airline. On these points and firstly the lounge; they needed upgrading. they looked dated a
71 laca773 : Thanks for the information, NZ107. I look forward to the day I'll take that flight. Regards LACA773
72 gasman : Nice. Ok, examples. - each time the airpoints scheme has been reorganised, the 'miles travelled:award flights ratio' has shifted in the wrong directi
73 ZKNZA : In my experience Premium Economy has been well worth the extra outlay. Last couple of Longhaul Journeys (leisure) Ive done to PEK and NRT during Octo
74 Unclekoru : The data on this site is inaccurate. It has been suggested that during the next three/four years almost every pilot in Air New Zealand is going to se
75 aerorobNZ : Incidentally that reminds me... The carts designed for the new aisles are much smaller too.
76 NZ107 : There are quite a number of A320 rated pilots already, aren't there? What will they be further trained on?
77 NZ1 : I think he was referring to the 763 pilots going to the 789 and the 744 going to the 777, as well as the current 733 to A320. LOTS and lots of traini
78 sunrisevalley : Weren,t there some pilot's furloughed about 18-months ago? Will this mean that these will be recalled?
79 NZ6 : I agree the airpoints system isn't good. But to be honest I don't know a system that is good. The targets for rewards are set so high by the business
80 gasman : Yes, totally. Y+ was completely worth the extra $$ on the 744; not so on the 772. I agree the price almost has to go up with what they've created on
81 NZ6 : Not when it's other airlines and airline puplications. No everyone gets things wrong, NZ got the number of Y+ seats wrong, they also under offered in
82 Unclekoru : Correct. No one has been "furloughed". Unpaid, long term leave was offered though. While kinda of similar I guess, it's not exactly the same as being
83 Post contains links NZB : From another thread Qantas - NS10 Schedule Changes (by QF175 Feb 26 2010 in Civil Aviation) 767-300 services cease with effect end April 2010. A new d
84 LeonJunior : Heard someone from Qantas said that Airasia X application to fly to CHC via OOL will be approved on March. Can anyone clarify that?
85 NZ107 : Well there's been a lot of talk around here and Asia about them starting up CHC so I believe it would be true. Good for CHC as they'll see fares to O
86 777ER : First time I enjoyed the 8 hours as it was my first time there, but now I can't wait till the next flight Any regional pilots upgrading?
87 777ER : Has anyone flowen Mountain Air? I've just come home from a trip to Mt Ruapahu/Taupo region and went on a Mountain Air scenic flight over Mt Ruapahu an
88 Kaiarahi : But if you're transiting in ORD anyway (pax bound for the east coast / midwest / central-eastern Canada would be), why add another stop at an airport
89 v2fix : Good Point. And what if Air NZ got the Sky Couch wrong (and lets try and be positive and say they got it wrong in the same way as Y+ - not enough of
90 Post contains images sunrisevalley : For ORD you can substitute IAH in my view. I can think of a number of reasons why. Better weather and traffic patterns for on-time ops, ~700nm shorte
91 NZ6 : Very easliy, we are already worried that there will not be enough. Once it goes on sale we will know. East Coast USA will happen at some point it off
92 777ER : What would you prefer, a long lay over with UA, US or CO being your next departure carrier or waiting 2 hours for NZs connecting ORD/IAD/IAH flight?
93 aerorobNZ : I've flown through LAX many times and never had a bad experience. It's an easy airport to use if you familiarize yourself before you arrive. I've run
94 sunrisevalley : Well said . Customs/ Immigration officials are the same world over, treat them with courtesy, answer their questions, NEVER profer more information t
95 767ER : I have flown into LAX many,many times and never had an issue with Immigration. They are actually much nicer than at LHR. LAX is not the best airport
96 Post contains images tn486 : YES please. Anytime soon, how about yersterday I am hoping to take a visit to New Zealand within the next couple of years, in the meantime, its just
97 DavidByrne : I'm sure that NZ route planners will have been looking very closely at the potential of IAH from as soon as it became known that CO might join *A.
98 Post contains images Kaiarahi : That's my point - a layover in LAX and then ANOTHER layover in ORD/IAD/IAH. And why would there be a long layover with UA, US or CO - have you looked
99 Glasgow : But who really wants to do this?
100 aerorobNZ : My flight was 3 hours delayed. It was that or wait till the next day. That was an exception, normally I could just amble comfortably. Like I said LAX
101 Post contains images gasman : Me neither. I have, however, witnessed them being extremely rude and impatient with travellers that might be a bit inexperienced and daunted by the w
102 Post contains images aerokiwi : People have been saying this for years and it still doesn't happen. Of the 777 operators operating into NZ, only EK offers 10-abreast. KE, TG, SQ, MH
103 aerokiwi : Before I forget... Was chatting with some DJ staff at AKL today, waiting for a flight to MEL. Apparently they've had a sudden surge in traffic on thei
104 MotorHussy : This is one route that I've been hoping DJ will pick up as it's my most frequently flown recreational trans-Tasman route and is seldom discounted.
105 Unclekoru : Apparently there was some public statement last year from Pacific Blue regarding their ambitions to operate Melbourne -Wellington, about the time the
106 ZKEOJ : And I had to connect from NZ to LH, and stood 90 minutes in the immigration queue, and another 30 mins at customs/transit check-in. Then the walk ove
107 alangirvan : Really if you are connecting from NZ to LH, why would you do it through a US Airport? The Asian airports are designed for transit passengers - US air
108 777ER : I was talking about long lay overs in LAX. WLG have said (during their 50th celebrations) that DJ are set to launch the route in the next 18 months a
109 ZKEOJ : I try my best to do so....but fares dictate routing when I am flying for business, and sometimes flying through LAX/SFO is cheaper. We have special f
110 ANstar : I've never had any issues wither with immigration.... I have however had issue in the length of the line and the time it takes to process visitors ar
111 DavidByrne : Interesting note from another thread - LA's AKL-SCL services are currently operating AKL-Punta Arenas-SCL because there's inadequate fuel and terminal
112 alangirvan : [/quote] I have seen in a newsletter that the change to 73H for SYD-CHC-SYD QF45/46 is only temporary - until July. Can anyone confirm that? Messages
113 airnewzealand : . Hi Alan, This is correct, the freight capacity at the moment is not an issue as the QF freighter which operates overnight can carry the remaining ca
114 NZ107 : QF's timetable still has 763s on after July so maybe it's true, especially because the 73Hs used for replacement are Australian domestic ones- withou
115 alangirvan : If JQ add services to DUD, people will be pleased to give them a chance. We see all these special offers out of Queenstown, and some of those prices w
116 777ER : PPQ (Paraparaumu) new terminal is due to begin construction in the next month and be completed in 6-7 months, in time for NZs AKL flights in October.
117 NZ107 : Interesting. Let's see what eventuates.
118 777ER : Received an e-mail from NZ today saying that shortly Airpoints Silver members are about to receive more and better rewards. Anyone know what new type
119 hornetfan : I got an email today inviting me to use the Koru club outside of peak hours and at weekends, not sure if that is what you are referring to.
120 777ER : In that e-mail, it states that in the next Airpoints newsletter all will be revealed about how Airpoints Silver is being expanded
121 MotorHussy : Must say I was surprised at the projected frequency of these flights. Was expecting one morning, one evening one but I guess the catchment area for P
122 777ER : I don't think it will have much of an impact on WLG flights. IMO, PPQ could have a negative impact on Palmerston North as it would be eating into Pal
123 aerorobNZ : I suspect not for NZ. Business travellers tend to want to head into the city centre, and that is the market NZ has done well on in recent times. PPQ
124 Post contains images TN486 : in the interest of "across the ditch cooperation" ......JQ.
125 MotorHussy : Mostly correct, however I know quite a few Wellington business folk that have houses up the coast and do a lot of regular business in the City of Sal
126 nzrich : Going to be the Q300 operating this service
127 777ER : Aircraft will be Q300, so 200 seats daily out of PPQ
128 Post contains links 777ER : Corrosion found on Air NZ Airbus wings - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3402...osion-found-on-Air-NZ-Airbus-wings
129 alangirvan : Any chance of flights to/from South Island? Might be a chance of some good Grab a seat fares into PPQ.
130 DavidByrne : Flights on PPQ-CHC were earleir flagged by NZ as a possibility - assume they will depend on the uptake on PPQ-AKL. On another thread, reports that Pa
131 NZ1 : Just another example of the media trying to make a story out of nothing. NZ1
132 aerokiwi : Probably spells the end for Masterton. Or are the two areas not well connected? Now they just need to build up their frequencies. Twice dailies on th
133 767er : They are not well connected at all. PPQ amd MRO would have quite separate markets. I would hate to jump off a long haul flight at AKL, connect to WLG
134 777ER : Apparantly NZ will wait and see how the PPQ-AKL handle before starting CHC flights. PPQ and MRO don't have excellent connections. For services from W
135 aerokiwi : Well happy to stand corrected, but the MRO flights seem to pop up on Grabaseat a fair bit. Given the number of flights and seats available, it would
136 777ER : I havn't seen MRO on grab a seat much over the last few months.
137 NZ6 : I love it how some people guess.
138 cchan : Anyway, hope Airbus has fixed this problem for new deliveries.
139 aerokiwi : Like I said - happy to stand corrected. I thought MRO and PPQ had the same catchment area and good road connections - evidently, I was wrong. But is
140 alangirvan : Now that the Phoenix are doing rather well,,,, there may be a sudden demand for Trans Tasman travel by soccer fans. At this stage, they do not know wh
141 777ER : As QF is the official airline for the A1 teams, maybe QF will put on special travel packages from WLG for Phoenix fans **Go the Phoenix**
142 ANstar : How many cabin crew witll the new 777-300er's have? And how many are on the 747 now? Just wondering if it would be a reduction or increase in staff le
143 aerorobNZ : Up-sizing an aircraft is a big undertaking, especially when you're talking about dropping a plane into a point like WLG which doesn't usually have mo
144 Post contains links NZ107 : NZ and Turkey sign new air services agreement Fifth freedom rights. Doesn't say how many services etc.. But it seems like it could open the way for TK
145 aerorobNZ : NZ will probably just codeshare on TK out of HKG and possibly LHR.
146 gasman : Excuse me..... I know there must be some vital point I'm missing here..... but WTF????????
147 Post contains links and images TN486 : Hi all, just saw this photo on the home page, I have never been to AKL, the area in the foreground seems like it is reclaimed land, is it, or is it my
148 NZ107 : No. This was an island IIRC (or at least barely connected to the mainland). To the right of the picture lies an estuary type tidal flat area. The rec
149 TN486 : Thank you for the info. I suspected the ac in question was an ex NZ 762 (I was tongue in cheek with the ref to a QF 733, I know how many of the NZ po
150 Post contains links 777ER : QF is looking at putting on bigger aircraft to get fans to SYD - http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/footbal...9183/Phoenix-fans-wanted-in-Sydney
151 777ER : It would certainly be a fitting tribute!
152 aerokiwi : I wonder how viable it would be for AIAL (Auckland Airport) to build a bare-basics LCC-only international pier, between the current main pier (gates
153 NZ6 : Perhaps they will make use of the domestic terminal when that moves to the new north runway. In the mean time I'm surprised AIAL have not put up the
154 Post contains images aerokiwi : Those models of the airport's expansion plans displayed in the international terminal used to show the domestic terminals as a future airfraight cent
155 aerorobNZ : There was talk from AIAL that gates 17 and 18 could well have a L/R capability added to them like 15/16 already have to allow for more 737/A320 'Gate
156 aerokiwi : I'm not surprised. It's a strange mindset for an airport to have, though perhaps reflects its nature as publicly listed. I'd have thought the loss of
157 Post contains links Zkpilot : It is in their future plans already to have a pier there... although not for domestic I don't think... not sure if its for LCC or what. It isn't on t
158 aerorobNZ : The 30 year plan they publicized is way out of date. Apart from anything else we are over 20 years into the plan already... Their current proposal is
159 Post contains links 777ER : ZK-AMY (DC3) is visiting 11 centres in the lower North Island and are taking passengers on 30min flights for $100 each ($50 child) as part of a fundra
160 Post contains links vfw614 : Where is the suggested location of the new domestic terminal? Anyone able to point that out on this picture: http://www.airliners.net/photo//1662416/
161 Post contains images Zkpilot : Roughly:
162 aerorobNZ : from 16/126 to 12/156 config....
163 zkojh : Could someone shed some light on how the new seats for the 77W's get from Wales were there made to New Zealand.. also any word on new airlines coming
164 cchan : I don't see BA as a strong candidate, given their strong partnership with QF. IMHO the chances are better in seeing QR and 9W in AKL.
165 aerorobNZ : In terms of charters unsure, no new airlines offering scheduled svc so far. I would expect an additional frequency from AR/SQ/CX, maybe an upgrade to
166 NZ107 : I hope for some charter from BA/AF for their teams.. They'll also be bringing a whole media team I'd believe so maybe it'd be feasible for them to cha
167 777ER : Airpoints silver members now get access to fast bag drop at the gates for NZ Link flights SOURCE: NZ Airpoints magazine
168 aerokiwi : I've just been sent a promotional email by Air NZ. Now based in both Australia and New Zealand, I was amazed to find that NZ charges for use of foreig
169 xiaotung : It is just because this is common practice in Australia. All airlines do that including SQ. NZ would be like losing an opportunity otherwise. Same as
170 NZ107 : Not just that, but all other Aussie airlines charge much more than $4 for one flight. Maybe you should fly Emirates if you're not keen on paying that
171 aerokiwi : Well that's what confuses me. It looks like it's not for foreign cards but using foreign Air NZ sites. If you go to the New Zealand based site, there
172 cchan : I have booked tickets from their China and Hong Kong sites in the past 6 months, but I wasn't aware I was charged a credit card fee. Maybe it is only
173 Post contains images NZ107 : How weird. Currency conversion shouldn't make much difference because either way, NZ would win (pricing the Aussie priced tickets at a favourable exc
174 kdm : Yesterday (the 11th) I flew on flight NZ464 from Wellington to Auckland like I have every Thursday for the last year or so and was lucky enough to hav
175 ANstar : I believe that is the standard safety video for zeal flights - I had it on a trans tasman flight earlier this year.
176 aerorobNZ : A320s have been operating a few schedules recently. usually positioning ex WLG int sector for use out of AKL. However in your case I believe it will
177 Post contains links 777ER : Scenic Flight With Mountain Air Around Mt Ruapehu (by 777ER Mar 12 2010 in Trip Reports) Mountain air scenic flight
178 Post contains images Kaiarahi : There's no charge on the Canadian or U.S. sites either ... I guess it sucks to be in Oz
179 Post contains links NZ107 : Cheaper fares over Tasman Weird because it's usually the other way around.. Or definitely has been.
180 777ER : Any NZ insiders have any idea on when the new Trans-Tasman changes will be announced?
181 NZ6 : Well with VI and CA charging around 2% for credit card purchases I can't blame any business with an alternative payment options (such as POLI) to cha
182 DavidByrne : I won't get you to be my accountant - 2% of $150m is $3 million, not $30k!
183 aerorobNZ : very soon.
184 alangirvan : Rather strange examples - VI is either the code for a Russian cargo airline or a Puerto Rican based carrier, and I do not think either of them would
185 Unclekoru : Yes, we can all see the logic behind the different fares, but is DJ (or anyone else) going to do anything about some of the opportunites that may exi
186 NZ6 : Bugger, I knew that just missed a 0. Thanks for pointing that out. VI and CA are used globally in any industry for Visa and Mastercard another exampl
187 Unclekoru : I understand how yield management works. Edited in the interest of forum harmony.[Edited 2010-03-12 17:04:28]
188 NZ6 : Well that's part of the equation.
189 aerokiwi : But there is no alternative payment option for Australians, unless for some reason they have a New Zealand bank account. Why doesn't NZ offer BPay, t
190 flyjetstar : Anyone have an update on Air Asia flying into CHC? And judging by the tone in many of NZ6's posts can I assume he is the old Ground TG992?
191 Post contains links NZ6 : No, you can pay with a Australian bank account http://www.airnewzealand.com.au/book_online/poli/information.htm have a read before you comment. Royal
192 NZ1 : Actually NGJ was U/S in AKL and the A320 was brought in to keep the domestic schedule on track. This particular A320 wasn't scheduled on it's regular
193 aerorobNZ : knew it had to be something like that for a late 320 a/c change.
194 777ER : For some reason I doubt that is a reason for WLG-MEL especially since WIAL have said many times that MEL's demand has increased from WLG. DJ is set t
195 aerokiwi : So you can, thanks. Turns out if you log in to the NZ website and you're a New Zealand-based Airpoints member, you're directed straight to the New Ze
196 aerorobNZ : they are going to be doing only AKL-BWN direct soon, so NZ6 is quite correct.
197 Post contains images Kaiarahi : 3 zeros, not one - still wouldn't want you as an accountant
198 Unclekoru : Nonsense. This statement doesn't even begin to make sense.
199 PA515 : Yeah, that was me. Your postings had a familiar style and your reference to Excom and details of Air NZ's marketing etc plus the fact you joined a.ne
200 28L28L : I was in Rotorua on 6 March and had the pleasure of seeing a DC-3 fly past and do an approach to ROT. Can anyone tell me which specific aircraft this
201 Post contains images NZ6 : you know what I mean and besides I wouldn't want to be one either! Really? Here is a hint, this is in my area of expertise. I joined on the 22nd of J
202 mariner : I asked a question about Salt Air - that tiny Northland airline - in the previous thread but no one seemed to know so I did a little digging. Their br
203 767er : NZ1 has basically said nothing. NZ6 - NZ1 is one of most valued contributors to these threads and I will leave it at that. I reckon one of the announ
204 Post contains images NZ6 : I've worked on this project - anything is too much Any possible announcement date is still very confidential along with all the details. Any other ta
205 777ER : ZK-AMY which is doing a fundraising tour to help make -AMY debt free so it can be put into a museum. Its taking passengers on sightseeing flights for
206 NZ6 : Okay. I'm not sharing any trade secrets here but believe as you wish, I will however point out things as they happen.
207 DavidByrne : Actually, two zeros. I don't think I want either of you as my accountant!
208 Post contains links TheCommodore : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10631949 Just found this in the NZ Herald. I flew in yesterday afternoon to SYD from
209 Post contains links and images aerokiwi : Is that the North Shore landing strip where the planes fly in over the motorway? I so, I think Great Barrier flies from there too on occasion. Must m
210 axio : Yes. North Shore Aerodrome at Dairy Flat.
211 Post contains images Unclekoru : GBA has a number of flights from North Shore, loads were pretty good, especially in summer. No, There are no scheduled ops by a 19 seater onto a gras
212 NZ6 : Well that's part of my role with NZ. Take from it what you like.
213 mariner : I doubt it will happen but it could be an interesting partnership - Great Barrier and Salt Air. They both work out of Whangarei as well. mariner
214 Post contains images cchan : Most people who get fed up with the rubbish on the web won't pay up and join in, I guess there are exceptions
215 Unclekoru : I agree. the C208 is a fantastic machine and well suited to GBA's route structure, and there's already someone at Salt Air who knows GBA very well! I
216 777ER : Its not what I wish, its printed in black and white in several WLG newsletters, including their recent 50th birthday
217 Post contains images aerorobNZ : You just gave yourself away... I've been wondering for a few weeks now....
218 Knid : Are you a semanticist? If so, you are absolutely correct the statement does not make sense, but then again argument in prose is inherently difficult
219 Post contains images NZ1 : Thats funny, because I've worked on it too, though we have obviously never met. I haven't given anything away, merely alluded to the fact that people
220 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #74 (by 777ER Mar 14 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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