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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10558 times:
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I was enjoying the last thread, although it was increasingly difficult to take some of it seriously

As a general thought, I work in a high pressure industry where we are constantly confronted with massive problems. But we have to get it done.

So I don't see a lot of point in hang-wringing about the problems - in my business we have to find solutions.

DIrector: Grips, can we move the Brooklyn Bridge?

Grips: It'll take a while, boss. At least, a couple of hours.

We left off at the usual place - some looking forward to the future, some determined on the Fall of the House of Bedford.



Onwards, ever onwards. LOL.

mariner


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User currently offlineLRDC9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

Haha. I was wondering how long it would take for #4 to pop up (really #5, but who's counting?)

I saw in your last post in #3 the phrase 'twigged'. What in the world does that mean?



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User currently offlineLRDC9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10517 times:

BTW, I admit to not having kept up as closely as I should have. What deliveries is rjet expecting for F9/YX in the upcoming months?


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10515 times:
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Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 1):
I saw in your last post in #3 the phrase 'twigged'. What in the world does that mean?

Aussie slang. It means "understood" or "realized" - I twigged that Bluey's a fair dinkum bloke.

Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 2):
What deliveries is rjet expecting for F9/YX in the upcoming months?

3 x A320 new. I'm a bit confused about the E190 numbers - are there 5 left to come, or 4?

I think FRNT787 knows, better than I.

mariner

[Edited 2010-02-21 18:49:17]


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5448 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10426 times:

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Quoting beryllium (Reply 246):
(like your posts about your current manager, how awesome he is, etc.etc - most of a.net folks don't even know who you are talking about; so you address those praises to a very specific audience, I believe).

If you have read his posts for a while, you'd know that he feels that way and is not sucking up to someone.

Quoting beryllium (Reply 247):
I wonder what would have happened to DL/NW if they would have been debating for 3-5 months which brand to go with

Considering there was "talk" of a merger at the time they both entered bankruptcy, I'd be surprised if they didn't at least ponder the options for that length of time. Maybe not everyday, but perhaps revisited it throughout their discussions/planning.

Quoting miller22 (Reply 278):
"Passenger Jeff Evans of Denver said if the Frontier name and image are dropped, "so will any remaining loyalty I had. I am committed to not fly Frontier until it is clear what will become of the brand because of it no longer being Denver's hometown airline."

I don't understand how emotional people get over these things, to the point that I almost don't believe it. I could understand opening up to whichever carrier met your needs, but to avoid a carrier completely based on their name?

Quoting beryllium (Reply 288):

Let's take HP/US, for example.
HP executives at the moment of merger announcement stated publicly that US will be surviving name. On day 1 they said that they would be dropping their own HP brand, even though it was a very recognizable name in PHX, LAS, and in the western part of the U.S. in general.
Because they knew that they have to be determined in regards to who they want to be for their customer base.

I agree that this is a poor example, but for a very different reason. America West Airlines does not speak to the east coast stronghold - let alone transatlantic/caribbean ops - of US Airways. It could work, of course, but clearly to most the US Airways brand had the most long-term potential. It was a no-brainer.

I have yet to hear anyone say the branding decision for Republic's branded ops is a no-brainer. Quite the opposite, they have to deal with the DEN crowd and the MKE crowd. There are reasons why Frontier, Midwest, Republic, or whatever else could work.

Personally, I don't think you want F9/YX to die. I just think you see an opportunity to work people up who you disagree with, or who perhaps have more invested in the carriers than you do. I just wanted to give you credit where credit is due.

-Dave



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

Two F9 questions I have:

How do they determine which animals will go on the A320 tails? Or is it just random?

Also, is there a database of these nature photos that Frontier uses? I'd love to see more of them, they're fantastic photography for sure.

Thanks in advance!  

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10343 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 5):
Also, is there a database of these nature photos that Frontier uses?

Photographers submit photos all the time.

Back in 2000, for the coming Airbus fleet, they had a competition and picked (I think) six winners.

http://frontierair.tekgroupweb.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=4877

"Frontier Airlines Seeks 'Spirit of the West" Wildlife Photographs"

Sometimes there are specifics. They wanted a good photo of a moose, so they went looking. They assembled a selection and then had a competition among the FF elites. The winner got to pick which photo to use.

They've recycled some favorites and - photographers are still submitting.  

mariner



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User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
I agree that this is a poor example, but for a very different reason. America West Airlines does not speak to the east coast stronghold - let alone transatlantic/caribbean ops - of US Airways. It could work, of course, but clearly to most the US Airways brand had the most long-term potential. It was a no-brainer.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
I have yet to hear anyone say the branding decision for Republic's branded ops is a no-brainer. Quite the opposite, they have to deal with the DEN crowd and the MKE crowd. There are reasons why Frontier, Midwest, Republic, or whatever else could work.

HP did not speak to the East Coast strongholds, just like US did not speak to the West Coast strongholds.
But, US was chosen because it was more recognizable overall. ("overall" is the key word).

If you call HP/US situation a no-brainer, then it seems a little odd that F9/YX situation puzzles you that much.

Let's look at similarities:
a) HP/US had to deal with US-oriented crowds in PHL and CLT, and HP-oriented crowds in PHX and LAS.
b) Likewise, RAH has to deal with F9-oriented crowd in DEN, and YX-oriented crowd in MKE.

c) Between HP and US --- US was a stronger, more recognizable brand overall, and eventually it was chosen as a surviving brand.
d) Between F9 and YX --- which one is more recognizable? More recognizable overall? It is F9, isn't it?

As you see, the situations are quite similar.

So, if HP/US is a "no-brainer", why F9/YX is such a puzzle?


Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
Personally, I don't think you want F9/YX to die. I just think you see an opportunity to work people up who you disagree with, or who perhaps have more invested in the carriers than you do. I just wanted to give you credit where credit is due.

Good investors should be questioning what the company is doing.
Here our "investors" are not questioning. They are worshiping every move RAH makes. And when someone dares to criticise RAH's actions/decisions, the bull-terriers are immediately being sent off the leash, ready to swallow you whole without chewing.
Real investors do not act that way. They are good listeners, who welcome opinions of other people.
This is not the case with "investors" in this thread.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5448 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10295 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 7):
As you see, the situations are quite similar.

I stand by my statement, and your disagreement is noted.

Quoting beryllium (Reply 7):
This is not the case with "investors" in this thread.

I understand that English is your second language, so allow me to clarify. "Invested" was not meant as a financial term. I was using it as in devoted/committed to the organization, i.e. someone who has invested themself - has a personal investment - in the future of the organization. This might be through employment, it might be through a relationship with someone within the company, or it might be through a personal interest that has grown stronger than just a passing one.

I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder.

-Dave



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10290 times:
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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder.

One here.  

mariner



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10282 times:
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Some interesting news from Branson - BKG. A new airline, five destinations:

http://www.kfvs12.com/global/story.asp?s=12020541

"Branson airport to announce new air carrier

The Springfield News-Leader reported that the airport will announce an air carrier that will provide five new nonstop destinations."


It just keeps getting better.

mariner



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
3 x A320 new. I'm a bit confused about the E190 numbers - are there 5 left to come, or 4?

I think FRNT787 knows, better than I.

I believe it is 4 more of the US birds coming in, I could be wrong. The number of routes starting points to 4 or 5 more to come though. I get confused as I do not know how many E190s were scheduled before the US birds were purchased. I would love to see some more come in though. And I know BB has said he would prefer E175 for branded ops (opposed to E170). I also wonder if the E195 has a place at all as well.

Quoting beryllium (Reply 7):
Here our "investors" are not questioning. They are worshiping every move RAH makes.

I am an RAH investor. I bought me some shares for Christmas. (More for the entertainment value than investing, I dont plan on being the next Wexford Capital) I bought them because I believe in Bryan Bedford. I dont worship him, I am not that religious, and every bit of worship potential I have, I try to save for the god I was brought up to believe in (Coincidentally, the same one as BB). I believe in BB because I have agreed with every move he has made. If you want an honest discussion of it, I will be happy. But you seem to predisposed to consider me a mindless worshiper, so I fail to see the point. I am far too busy to keep repeating myself.



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User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10271 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
I stand by my statement, and your disagreement is noted.

Your statement is that HP/US is a bad example... I showed you the similarities between US/HP and F9/YX situations... But, of course, it is a bad example... It cannot be good, because it comes from me.
If it would come from "certain others" here you would be applauding, or at least we would see a green check mark under the quote.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
I understand that English is your second language, so allow me to clarify. "Invested" was not meant as a financial term. I was using it as in devoted/committed to the organization, i.e. someone who has invested themself - has a personal investment - in the future of the organization. This might be through employment, it might be through a relationship with someone within the company, or it might be through a personal interest that has grown stronger than just a passing one.

I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder

Clarification is appreciated.
For these "investors" I can say the same thing - if you are are devoted/committed to the future of organization it would not hurt you to listen to the opinions of others. You might find something that would help your organization improve and maybe even prosper.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10246 times:
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Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 11):
The number of routes starting points to 4 or 5 more to come though. I get confused as I do not know how many E190s were scheduled before the US birds were purchased.

Prepare to have a tad more fun.

More A320 are starting to appear in the schedule. I assume they are getting firm delivery date confirmations.

By June, DEN-SEA has 2 of the 5 frequencies are A320 and 2 x DEN-LGA - the 3rd flight is A319. DEN-SAN gets 1 x A320 frequency as well.

Obviously, this frees up some A319 and knocks on to the E190. DEN-LGB was announced as 2 x E190 but the website is now showing that as 1 x E190 and 1 x A319.

I'm not a schedule bunny, I've only checked those routes. I don't know where else they're putting the A320.

mariner



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User currently offlineLRDC9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 11):
And I know BB has said he would prefer E175 for branded ops (opposed to E170). I also wonder if the E195 has a place at all as well.

So I take it then that all the E75s are tied up in contract flying for US/DL/UA? I wonder how long until they are available, or if he will be able to find some new ones somewhere.

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
I'm not a schedule bunny

lol. If nobody else has searched it up by this evening (US) I will.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10229 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):

I'm not a schedule bunny, I've only checked those routes. I don't know where else they're putting the A320.

Aha! Mindlessly gazing through entire airline schedules happens to be my specialty! 

Here are the routes and number of frequencies the A320 will fly according to their online timetable for June 25th, 2010:

http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...ier/plan-book/generic-timetable.do

DEN-CAK: 1 (!)
DEN-DAY: 1 (!)
DEN-LGA: 2
DEN-SAN: 1
DEN-PDX: 2
DEN-SEA: 2
DEN-DCA: 3

Seeing the Akron/Canton and the Dayton A320 frequency really surprised me. Hope that helps.


User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
DEN-CAK: 1 (!)
DEN-DAY: 1 (!)
DEN-LGA: 2
DEN-SAN: 1
DEN-PDX: 2
DEN-SEA: 2
DEN-DCA: 3

Also, DEN-CUN is still showing as having 1 daily A320.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10199 times:

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 16):
Also, DEN-CUN is still showing as having 1 daily A320.

Ah, you are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.  


User currently offlineLRDC9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10197 times:

How many slots do they have in LGA? Actually, could Republic transfer the slots between F9 and YX?


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10193 times:

DEN-MSY looks like it has switched to an E90 instead of a planned 319. Makes sense, IMO, considering the capacity that's already in the market. I want to see F9 do well in MSY and if that means smaller airplanes from the get go, that's fine by me. I'm looking forward to new MCI route announcements...I suspect we'll see MSY-MCI at some point...just seems like a route that makes sense from a network perspective....if they offer an early morning MSY-MCI flight, for example, it could offer connections to MKE, LAX, SFO, SEA and maybe some others. Just thinking out loud here.  

User currently offlinedfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10091 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder.

One here.

mariner

Make that two.  
Quoting beryllium (Reply 12):
For these "investors" I can say the same thing - if you are are devoted/committed to the future of organization it would not hurt you to listen to the opinions of others. You might find something that would help your organization improve and maybe even prosper.

Actually, I consider myself one of the ones who questions what is happening. But, I'm extremely "wet behind the ears" when it comes to the understanding of airline management, and I look to those posts from folks like Mariner and FRNT787 and draw my own conclusions from that.

-D


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 14):
So I take it then that all the E75s are tied up in contract flying for US/DL/UA?

All Shuttle America E75's are currently flying for DL.

All Republic E75's are currently flying for US.

No spares for branded ops!


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9949 times:

Looks to me like eff 6/10, the inbound RON a/c at SAN becomes a 320, so on 6/11 the 6:25am departure is u/g'd to the Big Bwana.

I also see, with glee, that the SAN schedule, as of about 6/6, is back up to 6x daily (more or less) departures to DEN! (Plus our new MKE flight of course.   ) Only one E90 on the typical daily turn schedule. (I've seen a lot of remarks about SEA, SFO, etc., getting their 5th frequency but I had not heard about SAN's usual seasonal increase.)

Hopefully by the time June actually arrives, there will be an MCI-flight or 2 on the board as well....

Things are looking up in The (Other) City by the Bay!

bb


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9888 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 15):
Aha! Mindlessly gazing through entire airline schedules happens to be my specialty!

Gee, I wish I had that skill. I get bored, and then confused, my eye glazes over, and I forget to write down what I've already done.

I didn't trust myself on DEN-LGB and checked it a dozen times. Nothing is valid until I have two sources and I was also getting some slightly conflicting info from Travelocity.

So thanks for that. Yay for DAY and CAK. I'd never have looked there.  

In case anyone is wondering why they are making these changes so soon after other announcements, there is history.

When they first started the fleet renewal program with Airbus, things went very well and Frontier got a bit complaisant - adding new aircraft to schedules too early, based on planned delivery.

Then there was a major ooops!

One A318 - N807FR - delivery was seriously delayed, by Airbus, and that caused real problems in the schedule. Since then, they have been more cautious.

There was an upside. Frontier got $10 million compo from Airbus, not in the form of money, but with free upgrades to some A319's.

mariner

[Edited 2010-02-22 10:13:35]


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

Quoting beryllium (Reply 12):
But, of course, it is a bad example... It cannot be good, because it comes from me.

Please dont take things personally. PlanesNTrains and I both have disagreed with your comparison, and that is fine. PlanesNTrains chose to note your disagreement, respect it, and move on as I am doing. Others have stated why they feel US/HP is a bad example, and you disagreed. So why is it insulting that someone disagrees with your reasoning?

Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 14):
So I take it then that all the E75s are tied up in contract flying for US/DL/UA? I wonder how long until they are available, or if he will be able to find some new ones somewhere.

Yes, as IndyWA stated they are all tied up. Some of the E170s were originally DL, but I think replaced with the E175s under a contract. BB said "in a perfect world" it would be E175s, but that is that. If RAH elects to exercise options, or acquire used frames in that size category, I would expect them to aim for E175 over E170. BB said he especially preferred the E175 over E170 out of DEN. I suspect that is why DEN has not been getting too many E170 routes, and some of the Lynx routes are going E190. The possibility of E195 down the road fascinates me as well. The crew costs would be higher, but strictly passenger wise, it is a very good replacement of A318.



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25 Post contains images AirframeAS : I think it is worth noting that the DEN c-check operation is now closed as of this past Saturday. The last aircraft done was N927FR. I believe that th
26 Post contains images LRDC9 : SAN is moving up in the world, lol. Same here. I would have thought they would have much sooner dedicated those to Florida routes than Ohio. And stil
27 mariner : Both stations have always been good in summer. This is a way of getting more capacity in there (30 seats) without adding a whole other frequency (130
28 FRNT787 : According to the RAH company fact sheet (updated in Feb) there are currently 12 E190s flying for RAH. I believe they had 6 coming in prior to picking
29 LRDC9 : Does anyone know how the E170 costs compare to those of the E75 (or the e90 to E95)? I'm wondering why BB has a greater interest in theE75, except th
30 n7371f : Bedford previously stated that the ex-US E190's would fly Midwest runs out of MKE, while the factory delivered and leased E190's would fly for F9. His
31 FRNT787 : That is I think the main reason. The E175 may have better climb potential, but I think mainly it is akin to the operating difference between A318/A31
32 Post contains links FRNT787 : BTW, for anyone interested, the Q4 conference call is Thursday, Feb. 25th, at 10:30 U.S. Eastern Time. http://rjet.com/investorrelations.html There sh
33 freakyrat : Mariner I like the jet with the frog on the tail.
34 Post contains images kingcavalier : I'm with you. It was one of my favorites, and I hope it makes a reappearance soon.
35 FRNT787 : So, since we have been discussing the fleet, in BBs latest letter, he states that if results in Summer are strong enough, there is potential to add ad
36 PlanesNTrains : Wow, is the pity party over yet? LOL. I don't know how to make it any clearer and more respectful than I did. The fact that I disagree is simply beca
37 Post contains images mariner : But I wonder how many E170's are coming to DEN? They're in the schedule for DEN-COS from April 7 (two of the frequencies) and by the end of April one
38 FL787 : Does anyone know what the hedging situation is at YX/F9/RAH? Maybe they'll address it on Thursday but I was curious with fuel creeping upward. I'm pre
39 FRNT787 : They addressed hedging at the previous conference call, so I would expect either it to be mentioned, or a question to be asked. Most of the investors
40 FL787 : I'll feast. On the E170 out of DEN by late April: DEN-COS 4x daily (plus 2 Dash 8s) DEN-OMA 3x daily (plus 2 E190s) DEN-ABQ 3x daily (plus 2 E190s) D
41 FL787 : Sure enough, after taking a look, Knope was right. Around the same time, MKE routes are changing: MKE-LGA: 1 319, 2 E90s, and 1 E70 Down in frequency
42 FL787 : Also MKE-STL is only showing 2 daily ER3s instead of the announced 3. MKE-CLE is getting an ER4 as an upgrade. I think I've checked every MKE route no
43 Post contains links mariner : I don't know if everyone is keeping up with Branson - BKG - but there is a thread about it here: Branson Airport To Announce New Air Carrier (by atrud
44 FRNT787 : The livery overall is absolutely amazing. It looks brilliant on the Q400s, Ejets and the Airbus.
45 Airport : I quite agree. The F9 livery looks just as modern and fresh as when it was first introduced. It conveys modern, "state-of-the-art" while being effect
46 GentFromAlaska : I second that. If it is re-branded it needs to be something new. Republic was a good name in the early to mid 80's. I flew on the original airline na
47 mostlyair : Luckily the focus of the survey wasn't really on the name, but more toward the onboard product and price. What airline have you flown in the past, yo
48 Post contains images FRNT787 : BB also, in his latest letter, stated that surveys will be heading out to employees as well next week. Plus, just to nitpick, it would be FF members
49 GentFromAlaska : Thanks for keeping me straight. Okay, I guess the question is do I the flying public want a cookies or critters. or a mish-mash of both. I'll get it
50 mostlyair : RAH, Republic Airways Holdings, owns Chautauqua Airlines, Shuttle America, Republic Airlines, Midwest Airlines and Frontier Airlines. The first three
51 Post contains images AirframeAS : It is one the smartest looking liveries that I have seen behind AS. I disagree respectfully. Once the brand is decided upon, rolling over FF plans wo
52 mostlyair : Sorry I should of been a little bit more clear for what I meant. I mean hurt both FF groups when it comes to a brand loyalty. But when I think about
53 AirframeAS : I agree. And at the same time, the "new" FF program should add attractive perks to try to retain as many loyal flyers as possible on both sides of th
54 Post contains images FRNT787 : I am of the opinion that is a major part of the surveys being sent out, to figure out not only the brand, but the hard and soft product. FF program w
55 Post contains images MostlyAir : Thanks for welcoming me. I will try my best to be unbiased and provide some good information. I do work for Midwest Airlines and I won't hide it. Dis
56 JBo : That's about all of what RAH paid for in the case of Midwest. I still believe that Republic could successfully manage the two brand names into a syne
57 FL787 : The sixth flight isn't starting until June now, I was incorrect. MKE-DEN is one of the craziest routes ever. There are F9-operated YX flights, F9-ope
58 AirframeAS : That is the most difficult route to non-rev on. And I have not been able to do the route, yet!
59 MKENut : My opinion on brand name choice is this. All mainline flying should be done by Frontier and all regional flying should be done by the Midwest name but
60 MostlyAir : LOL...That's because if they're are open seats, people in marketing snatch them up for (non-rev) positive space travel. There are so many people from
61 AirframeAS : That is so wrong. That would cause an outcry among both respective carrier's employees. All of the Airbuses either already have the STRETCH or will b
62 MostlyAir : We're traveling for business meetings, not for pleasure of course. I hope this helps with any concern. We plan our trips around when there are open s
63 AirframeAS : That doesn't help at all, unfortunately. I still think it is wrong if this occurs on a frequent basis. Of course!
64 MCI10 : I know we are selling stretch seating on all aircraft types now. So they have been all modified.
65 AirframeAS : No, not all aircraft types. The Q400's are not even modified. I stopped keeping track after last month, so I had a feeling that most of them were alr
66 MCI10 : Sorry I forgot about the Q400 since they are going to get rid of them. But you are right and I dont think they were ever going to get the stretch sea
67 AirframeAS : I am trying to remember, if we had at one point considered installing STRETCH into the Q's. But that part is blank to me.... We have gone through a l
68 mci10 : Thats the truth!
69 mariner : Just out of interest - does anyone know if Republic/Midwest have any kind of a crew base at MCI? mariner
70 IndyWA : Yes - there is an E70 crew base in MCI
71 LRDC9 : I'm not sure that this crew base list is accurate or not. Staright from APC (http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/republic.h
72 MCI10 : Yes there is a crew base here.
73 mariner : Muchas gracias. Any further word on Midwest's move to C? I'm hearing "soon." Also, I understand the the combo will have four gates in one secure area
74 SANFan : I can almost hear the wheels grinding from here Mariner. Are those little birds telling you things again????? bb
75 MCI10 : The move will probably happen within the next 2 weeks. It is possible to get one more gate in that area but it would make it pretty tight in there. S
76 Post contains images mariner : LOL! I've always had an interest in MCI. When I first moved to the States I worked in Lawrence KS for a year and MCI was my "home" airport. It amazes
77 FRNT787 : BB said in his latest letter, they still have some capacity left with the current fleet. He said there was interest in deploying it to MCI. In additi
78 Post contains links FL787 : After being added back to the route map for a short amount of time, SLC-PVR was taken off: http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...t/pages/shared/large
79 SANFan : Yes, EA had a (secondary?) hub at MCI and Braniff II (or maybe III?) had a mini-hub/focus-thing there as well later on - maybe in the late 80s? Just
80 MCI10 : The stuff the public can see is the widening of the security check point at gate 85. They are making it a 2 lane check point now. They moved two jet
81 mariner : Yes. I arrived in Lawrence, KS, for the first time, in June 1987. I don't know if MCI can ever be the full fledged hub that many think it should be b
82 SANFan : Ah, thank you. So how many gates will F/Y/R have when all the dust settles? And will all gates be behind the same security check(s) so on-line connec
83 IndyWA : Definitely not accurate anymore - there's been a LOT of changes since that last was last updated.
84 FRNT787 : Yes. He mentioned mexico and the caribbean. Should be interesting if it happens.
85 AirframeAS : SJU, perhaps on F9 metal? Maybe another Send Flip to "wherever" campaign, in this instance: Send Flip to SJU?
86 MCI10 : There will be 4 gates at this time in the same security checkpoint, so no one will have to go outside the secured area to get to connections. And tha
87 LRDC9 : I was afraid of as much. Ahh that is good news. Changing secure areas would be such a major hassle. It's been a while since I've been through there -
88 Post contains links mariner : The only numbers that I have seen published so far are these - MarketWatch has a version as well: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republ...oldings-bw-1
89 Post contains images enilria : Yes, it's virtually impossible to understand this... "Excluding a $96.5 million pre-tax gain from non-recurring items, the branded operations posted
90 Post contains images mariner : Any dum-dum can understand that. They're not the special charges. mariner
91 LRDC9 : Haha any dumbdumb. This confused me abit: 37-50 seats (including four aircraft operated by regional partner) 11 How are 4 operated by a regional partn
92 Post contains links MostlyAir : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republ...oldings-bw-100613637.html?x=0&.v=1 I hope this is what you're looking for: Quarter: Total revenues flown on
93 MostlyAir : That number sounds right for the SkyWest operation since SkyWest operated for Midwest until the end of the year, which would be included in these res
94 LRDC9 : That's it by-god: $369.4 revenue v $18.5 loss. I'd read that bit once before but it didn't click for some reason. Thanks.
95 MostlyAir : I also edited my above post to include the year numbers too, if you were interested in those. It's always hard to pull apart financial releases. Wors
96 LRDC9 : Oh my head it spins. Do we know the CASM w/ fuel? And, if anybody cares to explain how to read a financial statement (or airline specifically) I would
97 MostlyAir : Don't know if I'm reading this right but at the bottom of the page on yahoo it give fuel cost per available seat mile (FASM LOL), and it excludes the
98 LRDC9 : Take a wild stab at that. YES, lol. It would make sense for a FASM if it wasn't equal to the casm. So suspect >.[Edited 2010-02-24 19:57:43]
99 Post contains links mariner : From the Yahoo link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republ...oldings-bw-100613637.html?x=0&.v=1 Fuel cost per available seat mile (cents) 3.30 (qu
100 F9Mechanic : I just heard from one of the guys on the line that the F9/YX brands will be replaced with the Republic brand. Having been apart of Frontier for a long
101 LRDC9 : Ahhh Mariner you save us again with a healthy dose of sarcasm. TY
102 MostlyAir : Thanks! I read a little bit too far down. *Financial Statements* numbers like to hide lol. I adjusted my post accordingly.[Edited 2010-02-24 20:05:01
103 mariner : I'm sorry if it sounded sarcastic - in that post - I didn't mean it to be so and I took out one word. I was just trying to help. Reading balance shee
104 JBo : Considering the source, I'll believe it when they make an announcement.
105 FutureFO : BUF No longer exists SDF (CRJ/ERJ) CRJ is going away CMH CLE GSO now a Republic Base IAH (CRJ) going away IND LGA STL evntually moving to ORD except f
106 Post contains images AirframeAS : Have not heard that one, yet. Nobody really knows whats going to happen. It is all talk around the line with no facts to back up, unfortunately. Peop
107 Post contains images ScottB : Technically, they didn't provide a balance sheet, just some selected balance sheet information. The big tables in the release are the income statemen
108 Post contains links and images mariner : Yes, that's true. I don't see how it affects what I said. The poster asked for help understanding this and I tried to indicate this isn't an easy thi
109 knope2001 : If you're looking at the branded operations as a whole, removing the 717's and replacing them with E190's is the overall CASM difference. The 717's h
110 Post contains links MKENut : Here is some new stuff to talk about! Republic Airways Announces Order for up to 80 Bombardier CSeries Aircraft http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republ..
111 Post contains images enilria : In general, I think MCI makes more sense for them now that it is bracketed between hubs. MSY is fine. I don't think CMH-MCI once per day on a 100 sea
112 enilria : The bottom line is that the medium-sized losses from the branded operation basically cancelled out the profits from their pay to fly contracts if you
113 MSYtristar : Wasn't MCI-CMH a former route as well? Maybe with CRJ's?
114 MostlyAir : I think we're a little bit strapped with planes and block hours, especially with the E70, 35, 45s. So the E90 was probably the better choice for CMH
115 boydatageek : ... such as "Animal Cracker/Cookie Air"
116 ScottB : Agreed on replacing the 717's; I had forgotten that they still had a few for part of the fourth quarter. True, but Republic only reports the consolid
117 Post contains images Airport : All right folks, this is totally totally unrelated to the recent news...and I can guess my post is probably going to be lost amidst the many replies r
118 enilria : I'm listening to the RJET conference call. This wasn't specifically stated, but it appears to me that the Bombardier C-Series order was tied to the ab
119 enilria : Menke was not on the call. They spoke of him in the past tense, basically. Aretakis and Schure, plus BB and the CFO were on the call. Republic: "The C
120 Post contains images mariner : I really like MCI-CMH. I mean, obviously I like MCI-MSY, too, but MCI-CMH scratches a big itch of mine. LOL As for the aircraft order, what can I say
121 Post contains links mariner : And an interesting snippet from GRR: http://www.mlive.com/business/west-m...rand_rapids_airport_board_wai.html "Grand Rapids airport board waives Fron
122 MSYtristar : It looks like MCI-CMH has 165 daily pax and MCI-MSY has 210, according to faremeasure.com. Not sure if those are the latest stats or not I know from
123 Post contains links and images mariner : It touches a deep core instead my showbiz heart - if you're going to do something, make a splash, don't pussy foot around. We call that pizazz. But s
124 beryllium : The overall (fixed fee + branded) results are not bad, of course. After all, it's a profit. But, the 57% year-over-year decline in net income (from $8
125 ScottB : In my opinion, the timing of the Lynx decision and the C-Series order cannot be coincidental. I think it's obvious that Bombardier will help Republic
126 mariner : Better tell Wall Street. RJET is still one of the very few airlines that are in the green today. Since BB has previously indicate that's what they mi
127 Post contains images enilria : Knock me over with a feather. Incentives played a role in their route decisions? The MCI-MSY on an E170 is probably one of the better route decisions
128 Post contains links mariner : I imagined so. Nice to have it confirmed. I'm not sure the details of the PHF deal have been released yet. Nothing like subsidy that Airtran gets at
129 beryllium : Fixed-fee airlines are supposed to be in the green. They are subsidized by the majors. The problem wIth RJET is that their fixed-fee business is shri
130 mariner : They know that - that's why they've moving into branded ops. Wall Street has that factored in. LOL. But RJET is still green, as I write this. Althoug
131 beryllium : They, quite understandably, don't want to talk much about branded operations' financial performance, preferring to stick with the overall result (whi
132 mariner : Why would they not want to talk about it? Republic has - several times - predicted this result for branded ops for that quarter. They have also predi
133 FRNT787 : Most of the regional operators reported drops in their block-time. Thus, a decrease in profits. RJET reported nothing different.
134 beryllium : Good. The only thing that is left now is to make those branded ops profitable... which is not happening yet. Hoperfully you are right, but technicall
135 enilria : I doubt it, but it's probably not a ton of money. That's one of several reasons I question the route. Given that they cut back STL-MKE before it ever
136 mariner : And I assume - because BB has said so - that it will be a loss. Check back on thread #2. All that may be true, of course. If oil goes back up to $100
137 Post contains images mariner : The A319 is bigger. LOL. Earnings for last quarter. Tough to discuss something that hasn't happened yet. mariner
138 Post contains links beryllium : As I've been told countless times before, this thread is not about "other regional (or mainline) operators". It is about F9/YX/RAH. So, are we going
139 mariner : When did I ask "why"? I understand exactly what is happening - which is as they predicted and thus as I expected. I don't need to ask why. I know you
140 AirframeAS : How long do you, beryllium, do you expect branded ops, by YOUR standards, for the operation to make a profit? It appears that you expect instant resu
141 beryllium : Here (7 posts ago)... ----------------------- Why would they not want to talk about it? Because, as of now, it will still look unfavorable for the F9
142 beryllium : I don't expect instant results. I know, it takes time. But, wasn't there that much talk on F9-related threads what a great company F9 was, and how aw
143 mariner : LOL. That's a different "why?" As in - why would they need to talk about something they have already predicted and for which they have given the reas
144 GentFromAlaska : If they are interested in pursuing the GSA city pairs They would need to shore up those markets with seven day a week service. Specifically PHF. My w
145 beryllium : Nothing of a surprise here. I did not expect them to "boast" about the results of branded operations in the income statement. And as we see, they ind
146 n7371f : What's interesting with the earnings and traffic results now - you really have to do homework if you want to estimate Frontier versus Midwest results.
147 mariner : For pretty obvious reasons. They were discussing RJET's results. They presented the results of branded ops, they made no secret of them. They present
148 mke717spotter : You know the ERJ-145s flying for YX out of MKE? Have they been repainted yet or are they still wearing the UA livery?
149 MCI10 : Menke did a heck of a job. He took an airline that was expected not to last a couple of months in BK and turned into a porfitable airline. And yes th
150 Post contains links mariner : I guess we must be fairly close to the end of route additions for the summer, I doubt there is too much more slack in the schedule. As stated yesterd
151 ERJ170 : Ohhhh.. I was hoping to see a few more additions.. perhaps for the fall then..
152 n917me : The CMH-MCI flight is actually a "thru" flight to SEA and the return is a "thru" flight from SFO.
153 freakyrat : Mariner Any chance Bedford would bring back the E170's that already had the Frontier paint that were stored in Pittsburgh or are they gone already.
154 FRNT787 : Because you are holding something against them, saying they had poor results in contract flying, when if fact they were very much on par with the ind
155 FRNT787 : As I understood it, then most (if not all) former F9 E170s are with YX ops now.
156 MostlyAir : I can see your point when it comes to losing contracts with other airlines, but I believe it would be due to other reasons besides the fact that Repu
157 freakyrat : Just checked the photos, all the ex Frontier E170's are flying with the Midwest color scheme. To bad they had cool animal tails, especially the frog.
158 Post contains links and images MostlyAir : If you do some searches on a.net using the tail numbers you can see how some of the E70s shifted after they stopped flying for Frontier. Couple examp
159 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Well look who's finally catching up. Now you're being purposely obtuse. He didn't start talking about WN's strategy or what Delta was doing, he made
160 FL787 : Exciting stuff going on here. I don't think UA going to have good use for RAH when the contract is up and RAH is still competing with them at DEN. Tha
161 Post contains images MostlyAir : I guess I was stretching it a little bit.
162 Post contains links mariner : More likely the Seabury Group, who have been retained by Branson as airline planners, Seabury were financial advisers to Frontier in the Chapter 11 (
163 FL787 : Your basic underlying point was still true though. The fixed-fee pool is shrinking. Not everyone is going to fit.
164 Post contains links FL787 : Looking at RAH's updated fleet plan, I noticed some interesting/confusing stuff: http://www.republicairlines.com/investorrelations.html Go to financia
165 beryllium : Could be. I just noticed (in the income statement) that negative revenue trend in their fixed-fee operations, and thought that going forward it won't
166 Post contains links enilria : Now that you mention it, I believe Seabury is involved with GRR and PHF. http://www.seaburyapg.com/Web/APG/Site.nsf/ID/press_2008_0520 Hmm. I'm not s
167 mariner : If involvement with Seabury concerns you, then you should be very concerned about a number of airlines and airports all around the world. Airtran at
168 knope2001 : Not sure if this detail has been reported in this thread (I didn't see it but might have overlooked it.) In today's conference call, Republic stated t
169 n7371f : I don't know as much as some others claim but a few conversations I had with the F9 side indicated a small profit for Frontier and a loss in MKE. I k
170 SANFan : Um... Let's see now, I know there was one more MCI-route dropped in fall of 2008 that hasn't been returned yet. What the heck was it again....? (Perh
171 PlanesNTrains : Thanks for caring, but I have been here. Pack members? You always seem to have this victim mentality, like people are trying to treat you differently
172 UAL727NE : Hey got a question for you guys. I just booked a OW flight from SLC-OMA, I paid alil more and past up a 757 flight so I can fly on these two planes. W
173 PlanesNTrains : BTW - my comment was not directed at you being off-line (sorry, I missed that occurrence), but rather was directed at your statement as something tha
174 PlanesNTrains : Interesting. So Frontier may have been profitable in the 4th quarter, but without knowing how much, we don't know the loss (if true) for Midwest. Sti
175 beryllium : In my world diversity of opinions is always welcome, and I have no problem when people are disagreeing with what I say. In fact, it's a few others he
176 Post contains links FRNT787 : It is here as well, but everytime someone disagrees with you, you make statements such as: and ...suddenly, I wish I knew how to play the violin... B
177 PlanesNTrains : On the contrary, when I respectfully disagreed with you, you simply couldn't accept it. It HAD to be because I'm a mindless lemming who only runs wit
178 Post contains images mariner : How wrong was I? LOL. It's sparrow fart here, I'm working on my first shot of double espresso and, glancing at my home page, I see that RJET stock pr
179 beryllium : And when my "opponents" disagree here, what statements do they make? Browse through their posts, and you will see that those statements are just as "
180 beryllium : If you expect A320 to stay along with C-searies, where do you see that potential for such a massive growth? Which routes do you expect to fly with al
181 PlanesNTrains : If they keep the A320, but lose the A318 and A319, the jump in growth is not nearly as significant. Keeping the A320 would allow them to continue to
182 PlanesNTrains : As I mentioned in post 177, I tried having a respectful disagreement, but you couldn't handle it. Anyhoo... -Dave
183 beryllium : By A320 I meant the entire A320 family of aircraft that F9 has (which includes 318, 319, and 320). C-series order, as I see it, is a replacement for
184 Post contains links mariner : Interesting morning - second double espresso now. I see Cranky Flier, booking a ticket to LGB, is giving AirFairs a huge pat on the back: http://crank
185 Atlwest1 : Or someone else that would bring far less Drama though i suspect it would be a merger of equals in the scenario im thinking about.
186 PlanesNTrains : Your response was to FRNT787 where he expected the 190, 320, and c series to co exist in Republic's fleet. You asked what they planned to do with all
187 PlanesNTrains : Wow - I'd be going crazy. I've found that my near-addiction to espresso has started to effect my mood, to the point that I pretty much am having to s
188 Post contains images mariner : There is that and, gee, I'd love to see that code share. But I wouldn't read too much into the A320 thing. I suspect - only suspect - they will stay,
189 Post contains links beryllium : Perhaps, FRNT787 can speak for himself what he might be thinking, and whether by A320 he means the entire A320 family, or just A320 model (excluding
190 beryllium : Could you elaborate a little bit, please... (about the scenario).
191 PlanesNTrains : I don't know what FRNT787 meant, and wasn't speaking for him, as you know. He might mean A320 or he might mean A320 family. I saw that you read it on
192 Post contains images mariner : Oh, mate, I live in the woop-woop, far from the madding crowd. I'd had to give up a lot of the city pleasures since I moved here, but the double espr
193 Post contains links HermansCVR580 : Time to put "Herman" back on the tail!!! http://www.jsonline.com/business/85502612.html
194 FRNT787 : It would not be much at all really. 40 firm C-Series and 10 A320s (the aircraft not the family). If they planned on operating all C-Series and all A3
195 PlanesNTrains : If so, then good for you! -Dave
196 Atlwest1 : eh ive said this scenario a couple of times before. I would make better sense to combine either with a true merger or a deep deep codeshare with FL t
197 Post contains images AirframeAS : You do the exact same thing with me..... I don't think that'll ever happen. Doesn't NW/DL own the rights to that, still??
198 Post contains links LRDC9 : Airline to hold wages, reduce benefits - The Denver Post To sum up the article, Teamsters Union claims that Republic has told the 35 mechanics who ag
199 LRDC9 : I'm pretty sure it's been discussed extensively. As I recall the answer was a resounding YES they still own the rights to Herman.
200 GentFromAlaska : Let's hope they don't decide to rebrand with "New Air" that's just awful. I sort of like my suggestion of "Heartland" You have the ambiance of the Mi
201 Post contains images LRDC9 : I think was just the most generic name they could think of for their survey I'm rooting for Republic as the survivng brand. Or Chautauqua LOL that wo
202 AirframeAS : Then RJET cannot use it.
203 mariner : Not to make light of this in any way, but it has history. Mr. Fazakis appears to have a hot line to the Denver Post (let me act real surprised!) and
204 AirframeAS : Mr. Fazkias (however the name is spelled...) is not with the IAM. He is with the IBT. I've met the man, twice. He is an idiot and he is a very, very
205 mariner : Yes, my bad. I've corrected it with an edit. Thanks. mariner[Edited 2010-02-26 11:47:05]
206 legacytravel : I was reading some of the responses on todays jsonline article. It does seem that people in Milwaukee have given up on RAH for Delta and FL. I said be
207 LRDC9 : Duly noted. I will keep that in mind in the future. Sounds like a belligerent ass, lol.
208 boydatageek : All of the negative responses show just how dangerous this name decison is. Up to now, Midwest has been a "teflon" Brand. Over the last 5-10 year of
209 boydatageek : If a new name is in the works, here are three bad suggestions. In honor of Miller and Coors – Brewers Air Mid Tier Airlines and of course my favorit
210 MKENut : A play on the real word would be Dairy Air... It would be fun to see it with a holstein cow pattern on every plane.
211 LRDC9 : ZOMG YES!! Haha somebody needs to get on doing a MAP photo of this.
212 YXwatcherMkE : What has really hurt YX is the fine amenities of on-board services that was once on every YX flight. Most of the air traveler in the MKE market are a
213 AirframeAS : Actually, he is. He does not care anything or anyone but himself, unfortunately. Keep the Airbuses Frontier and the E170/90 & CSeries Midwest/Rep
214 LRDC9 : But didn't BB say that Republic was going to move to a single brand?
215 GentFromAlaska : To revist Mariner wishlist for a the Carrirbean destination, smartertravel.com just published their ten most budget friendly locations in the Carribea
216 knope2001 : They are moving to a "unified brand", and that was described as things such as a single booking engine, a single Sabre platform, a single set of poli
217 Post contains links mariner : One blogger at Westworld was convinced of it, convinced himself they are going to call the airline "New Air" and got very agitated about it: http://b
218 Post contains images LRDC9 : I saw that, but found it to be so idiotic in nature that I simply ignored it . No doubt. It sounds like some people are getting down right crotchety
219 GentFromAlaska : I remember when B6 was searching for an identity. They conducted a nationwide search for their name. The winner would receive free flights for life. I
220 Post contains images mariner : To some extent, yes. But it looks to me like BB's standard operating procedure. CAPA thinks he keeps his cards close to his chest, but I've always th
221 GentFromAlaska : And sometimes illegal too. Possibly a Russian River flashback?
222 mariner : Going naked is illegal in Russian River? I guess it's a while since you've been to Guerneville. Or investigate Bohemian Grove - the right wing summer
223 Post contains images AirframeAS : He did, but some indications signal that may not happen as others have stated above - a unified brand. Who in gods name came up with that one? Who fo
224 Post contains images mariner : I follow the Frontier page on Facebook. I used to be a member, but it got too - complicated. I'm not a great fan of the social media. I believe the b
225 Post contains images AirframeAS : So now you see me on there posting! A lot of people are pretty ticked about the SJC pull-out on there.
226 Post contains links mariner : A lot of people get pretty ticked about a lot of things - they see no value in the unexpressed thought, these days. But the economics of leaving SJC
227 Post contains images AirframeAS : I have no beef with anyone pulling out of SJC because of the terminal rents/expansion. What I do have beef with is when some folks here think F9's pu
228 Post contains links mariner : You can only shrug. Ever since Southwest announced DEN it became the Conventional Wisdom that Frontier could not survive - that Southwest was out for
229 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I think that is very true. On the flip side, that "heat" would have provided some free marketing. One thing that to me is glaringly clear is that the
230 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I'm not sure we can really "know" the full reasons they pulled out of SJC, short of taking what RAH says as the full and complete truth. Certainly th
231 Airport : I'm a member of the Frontier facebook group. It's actually pretty cool how they'll give out hints on new service, and clue us in to deals and offers I
232 Post contains images AirframeAS : It puzzles me as to why people think that doing things differently is the wrong way and headed for failure. Misery loves company, perhaps? Or just pl
233 Post contains images mariner : That has long been true. What is fascinating to me is a point blank refusal by many to accept that things are different now. That it isn't just "stan
234 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Going by what I've seen here on A.net, I would say that DEN has been a turning point in several ways for WN as an organization. I am in no way saying
235 GentFromAlaska : Eventhough failure can sometimes be good. It is not built into the WN culture. I can't help but return to the Star Trek episode(s) about the Borg col
236 Post contains links mariner : LOL. Same poster - same thread: Republic To Order C-Series (by seansasLCY Feb 25 2010 in Civil Aviation) Post #70: "Keep your chin up at your crumbli
237 LRDC9 : I saw that. Every time I get back to liking WN I find another stupid post that makes it awful hard. Does F9 have Caribbean service period? If not the
238 GentFromAlaska : Because nobody eles flies it directly that I'm aware of, I wonder if MKE-EYW would scratch a snowbird itch. EWY would also give them a launching poin
239 mariner : They've sent the E170's on some of the Mexican routes previously under the Frontier contract - SJC-SJD and SJC-PVR, for example. I would assume the a
240 GentFromAlaska : I don't think the buses are ETOPS certified to fly over water. wheras the E190 according to my reading is. ETOPS as I understand is spendy. Not to sa
241 LRDC9 : They don't really have to be ETOPS certified do they? Just certified for overwater operations. ETOPS would be like open-ocean type stuff, right?
242 boydatageek : Idon't think Key West is really a Milwaukee Resident type of town -- Probably better from Denver. Down here in Corpus Christi though all the Winter T
243 PlanesNTrains : I don't remember the scenario previously mentioned (years ago), but wasn't there talk of F9 "hubbing" at CUN? I wish I could remember, because if it w
244 MCI10 : The airbuses are not ETOPS certified but some 319s are over water certified. Don't know the exact the though.
245 Post contains images mariner : I'd be all in favor. I once wanted to seethe Q400's on OKC-CRP and call it Oklahoma Beach. mariner
246 Post contains images FL787 : You guys are nothing if not optimistic! IMO, you'll see these routes around the same time you see Mariner's Whitehorse service: not anytime soon. FL
247 Post contains images mariner : Now you're just teasing me, playing with my affections! According to the Costa Rican newspaper Diario La Republica, Frontier and LIR have been "in ne
248 Post contains images FL787 : I don't think so unless I can't remember it. Ok, ok, I'll try to be more optimistic about YXY.
249 Post contains images mariner : Someone did - someone who have access to the weekly letter to the staff. It was sent to me as a quote. No, no - I love to tigger hunt, I like to have
250 Post contains images FL787 : Not me. Well, you're not asking for DEN-HAV service yet so you're at least a little bit realistic. Of course, because what fun would it be without a
251 Post contains images mariner : Um - I haven't mentioned DEN-HAV, that's true. But then - for many years I used to dream that the Berlin Wall would come down. I didn't mention it to
252 knope2001 : Nobody has suggested MKE-ANC? Seasonal, obviously. And perhaps 3 or 4 days per week. But I think it would do well. They may already be late for the 20
253 FL787 : You're right, anything's possible. I like the analogy, but sadly it's too old for me to have experienced personally. I don't even know you, but you m
254 FL787 : Best suggestion yet. Only problem is what do you do with the plane on the other days of the week?
255 mariner : It isn't as good as it was. We know from BB's laudable reaction to the Haitian disaster that he is keenly aware of what is happening in the nearer Ca
256 Post contains images FRNT787 : Yes he did, I posted it. (I guess too many of us with 787 at the end )
257 Post contains images mariner : Thanks - that's a relief. I thought I was going doolalley. mariner
258 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : ANC is sooo last year. Actually, seasonal ANC seems very plausible, and it's already a station for F9 so that's convenient. What was the frequency fo
259 mariner : And there's a key. Places like SJU will still have good traffic, because of the relationship with the US and especially the VFR. But just as one exam
260 boydatageek : So I hope that, however distantly, however far back in the recesses of their minds, the folk at Republic at least have ticked the Cuba box, so they ar
261 AirframeAS : As all of our A320's are certified for overwater as well.
262 Post contains images CGKings317 : I'd wager that an MKE-ANC flight could be a winner if it were structured as a part of a vacation package or charter service (CanJet- or Sunwings-esqu
263 Post contains images MKENut : YX dumped their charter business with the MD80's. I couldn't agree more!
264 knope2001 : MKE-ANC would likely need to pick up vacation package traffic, which is very doable...but probably not for 2010 anymore. A lot of the people planning
265 mariner : I'd be all in favor of MKE-ANC - it is a dream route - but the biggest factor working against it, at the moment, is that it may be a tad too far for
266 enilria : I'd choose LTV over AirFairs...and it seems only one of two will survive if you believe Wayne Heller. I do think AirFairs is a good idea, but LTV is
267 AirframeAS : 4x a week, IIRC....
268 SANFan : It is a missing w/c destination from MKE to be sure but it's a pretty thin route: (per DOT O&D traffic tables) Q4'08 - 104 TL pax/day or about 52
269 Post contains images YXwatcherMkE : Oh yes, Yes ,YES... To qoute a famous actress in "Harry meets Sally." This would make my wife happy too. Very true, I listen to a Local travel call-i
270 Post contains links mariner : There's a good and quite interesting analysis of some smaller market issues in this piece about Sioux Falls - FSD; http://www.argusleader.com/article/
271 MSYtristar : I don't know if this has been mentioned or not (tried looking for it through this thread), but OKC-MCO/TPA appear to be good as gone effective April 1
272 knope2001 : MCO-OMA and MCO-OKC were both planned to be seasonal from the start, weren't they?
273 jetmatt777 : Is OMA going year round? Reports are from newsok.com and from various passengers I have talked to saying that the loads are good (90%+ avg) from OKC.
274 N911YX : MKE-MCI-MEX three days a week.
275 Post contains images mariner : If they did that, MCI and the elders of Kansas City would throw support - money - at them. Every Frontier DOT application for service from MCI to Mex
276 MSYtristar : MEX would be a tough market to be successful in from a non-mega hub city or one without a significant Mexican population. MCI's best bet is additiona
277 GentFromAlaska : I was under the impression there was a 12-20 mile flying limit off the coast. Anything further requires ETOPS equipment and certification. I'll check
278 N911YX : A significant flow of autmotive parts between Mexico and the Ford and GM assembly plants goes on daily. A more significant flow of humanity has popul
279 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Is the future LiveTV or WiFi? I ask because the more I think about it, the more I think hauling around the system/weight compared to a potential Wifi
280 mariner : I'm working from memory here, but I seem to recall that they cited as a major reason some big railroad connection between Kansas City and Mexico City
281 MSYtristar : And it continues today with the KCS (Kansas City Southern) railway and its access to Mexico. KCS is of course headquartered in K.C.
282 AirframeAS : I would LOVE to see our entrant back into the Canadian market, especially at YVR!
283 FL787 : You can get up to 162 miles off the coast without ETOPS if you have rafts and a few other requirements. Without anything of the requirements, you can
284 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Guilty, but..... as I recall that was about HA possibly flying a 767 one-time-only SEA-ANC-SEA to generate revenue in lieu of sitting idle in SEA for
285 YXwatcherMkE : thanks for the correction!
286 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I thought about that too, but I have a hard time imaging that adding up to much in the way of traffic. There is the KCS link, as mentioned above, but
287 mariner : Jeff Potter said it was okay to call it a focus city and, yes, in a way, it was. The limiting factor was that every route was O&D. Frontier could
288 PlanesNTrains : Gotcha - thanks for the explanation. CUN would seem in an interesting location for beyond flights, were it possible to actually work something like t
289 Post contains links mariner : I've started a new thread. Hopefully that will help fix the problem. New Frontier/Midwest #5 (by mariner Mar 1 2010 in Civil Aviation) mariner
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