PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5018 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9856 times:
Quoting beryllium (Reply 246): (like your posts about your current manager, how awesome he is, etc.etc - most of a.net folks don't even know who you are talking about; so you address those praises to a very specific audience, I believe).
If you have read his posts for a while, you'd know that he feels that way and is not sucking up to someone.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 247): I wonder what would have happened to DL/NW if they would have been debating for 3-5 months which brand to go with
Considering there was "talk" of a merger at the time they both entered bankruptcy, I'd be surprised if they didn't at least ponder the options for that length of time. Maybe not everyday, but perhaps revisited it throughout their discussions/planning.
Quoting miller22 (Reply 278): "Passenger Jeff Evans of Denver said if the Frontier name and image are dropped, "so will any remaining loyalty I had. I am committed to not fly Frontier until it is clear what will become of the brand because of it no longer being Denver's hometown airline."
I don't understand how emotional people get over these things, to the point that I almost don't believe it. I could understand opening up to whichever carrier met your needs, but to avoid a carrier completely based on their name?
Quoting beryllium (Reply 288):
Let's take HP/US, for example.
HP executives at the moment of merger announcement stated publicly that US will be surviving name. On day 1 they said that they would be dropping their own HP brand, even though it was a very recognizable name in PHX, LAS, and in the western part of the U.S. in general.
Because they knew that they have to be determined in regards to who they want to be for their customer base.
I agree that this is a poor example, but for a very different reason. America West Airlines does not speak to the east coast stronghold - let alone transatlantic/caribbean ops - of US Airways. It could work, of course, but clearly to most the US Airways brand had the most long-term potential. It was a no-brainer.
I have yet to hear anyone say the branding decision for Republic's branded ops is a no-brainer. Quite the opposite, they have to deal with the DEN crowd and the MKE crowd. There are reasons why Frontier, Midwest, Republic, or whatever else could work.
Personally, I don't think you want F9/YX to die. I just think you see an opportunity to work people up who you disagree with, or who perhaps have more invested in the carriers than you do. I just wanted to give you credit where credit is due.
"Frontier Airlines Seeks 'Spirit of the West" Wildlife Photographs"
Sometimes there are specifics. They wanted a good photo of a moose, so they went looking. They assembled a selection and then had a competition among the FF elites. The winner got to pick which photo to use.
They've recycled some favorites and - photographers are still submitting.
beryllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9732 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4): I agree that this is a poor example, but for a very different reason. America West Airlines does not speak to the east coast stronghold - let alone transatlantic/caribbean ops - of US Airways. It could work, of course, but clearly to most the US Airways brand had the most long-term potential. It was a no-brainer.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4): I have yet to hear anyone say the branding decision for Republic's branded ops is a no-brainer. Quite the opposite, they have to deal with the DEN crowd and the MKE crowd. There are reasons why Frontier, Midwest, Republic, or whatever else could work.
HP did not speak to the East Coast strongholds, just like US did not speak to the West Coast strongholds.
But, US was chosen because it was more recognizable overall. ("overall" is the key word).
If you call HP/US situation a no-brainer, then it seems a little odd that F9/YX situation puzzles you that much.
Let's look at similarities:
a) HP/US had to deal with US-oriented crowds in PHL and CLT, and HP-oriented crowds in PHX and LAS.
b) Likewise, RAH has to deal with F9-oriented crowd in DEN, and YX-oriented crowd in MKE.
c) Between HP and US --- US was a stronger, more recognizable brand overall, and eventually it was chosen as a surviving brand.
d) Between F9 and YX --- which one is more recognizable? More recognizable overall? It is F9, isn't it?
As you see, the situations are quite similar.
So, if HP/US is a "no-brainer", why F9/YX is such a puzzle?
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4): Personally, I don't think you want F9/YX to die. I just think you see an opportunity to work people up who you disagree with, or who perhaps have more invested in the carriers than you do. I just wanted to give you credit where credit is due.
Good investors should be questioning what the company is doing.
Here our "investors" are not questioning. They are worshiping every move RAH makes. And when someone dares to criticise RAH's actions/decisions, the bull-terriers are immediately being sent off the leash, ready to swallow you whole without chewing.
Real investors do not act that way. They are good listeners, who welcome opinions of other people.
This is not the case with "investors" in this thread.
I stand by my statement, and your disagreement is noted.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 7): This is not the case with "investors" in this thread.
I understand that English is your second language, so allow me to clarify. "Invested" was not meant as a financial term. I was using it as in devoted/committed to the organization, i.e. someone who has invested themself - has a personal investment - in the future of the organization. This might be through employment, it might be through a relationship with someone within the company, or it might be through a personal interest that has grown stronger than just a passing one.
I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder.
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1307 posts, RR: 16 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9708 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 3): 3 x A320 new. I'm a bit confused about the E190 numbers - are there 5 left to come, or 4?
I think FRNT787 knows, better than I.
I believe it is 4 more of the US birds coming in, I could be wrong. The number of routes starting points to 4 or 5 more to come though. I get confused as I do not know how many E190s were scheduled before the US birds were purchased. I would love to see some more come in though. And I know BB has said he would prefer E175 for branded ops (opposed to E170). I also wonder if the E195 has a place at all as well.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 7): Here our "investors" are not questioning. They are worshiping every move RAH makes.
I am an RAH investor. I bought me some shares for Christmas. (More for the entertainment value than investing, I dont plan on being the next Wexford Capital) I bought them because I believe in Bryan Bedford. I dont worship him, I am not that religious, and every bit of worship potential I have, I try to save for the god I was brought up to believe in (Coincidentally, the same one as BB). I believe in BB because I have agreed with every move he has made. If you want an honest discussion of it, I will be happy. But you seem to predisposed to consider me a mindless worshiper, so I fail to see the point. I am far too busy to keep repeating myself.
"We have a right to fail, because failure makes us grow" --Glenn Beck
Your statement is that HP/US is a bad example... I showed you the similarities between US/HP and F9/YX situations... But, of course, it is a bad example... It cannot be good, because it comes from me.
If it would come from "certain others" here you would be applauding, or at least we would see a green check mark under the quote.
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8): I understand that English is your second language, so allow me to clarify. "Invested" was not meant as a financial term. I was using it as in devoted/committed to the organization, i.e. someone who has invested themself - has a personal investment - in the future of the organization. This might be through employment, it might be through a relationship with someone within the company, or it might be through a personal interest that has grown stronger than just a passing one.
I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder
Clarification is appreciated.
For these "investors" I can say the same thing - if you are are devoted/committed to the future of organization it would not hurt you to listen to the opinions of others. You might find something that would help your organization improve and maybe even prosper.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9623 times:
DEN-MSY looks like it has switched to an E90 instead of a planned 319. Makes sense, IMO, considering the capacity that's already in the market. I want to see F9 do well in MSY and if that means smaller airplanes from the get go, that's fine by me. I'm looking forward to new MCI route announcements...I suspect we'll see MSY-MCI at some point...just seems like a route that makes sense from a network perspective....if they offer an early morning MSY-MCI flight, for example, it could offer connections to MKE, LAX, SFO, SEA and maybe some others. Just thinking out loud here.
dfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9521 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 9): Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
I have no idea if anyone that is posting is a shareholder.
Make that two.
Quoting beryllium (Reply 12): For these "investors" I can say the same thing - if you are are devoted/committed to the future of organization it would not hurt you to listen to the opinions of others. You might find something that would help your organization improve and maybe even prosper.
Actually, I consider myself one of the ones who questions what is happening. But, I'm extremely "wet behind the ears" when it comes to the understanding of airline management, and I look to those posts from folks like Mariner and FRNT787 and draw my own conclusions from that.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4967 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9379 times:
Looks to me like eff 6/10, the inbound RON a/c at SAN becomes a 320, so on 6/11 the 6:25am departure is u/g'd to the Big Bwana.
I also see, with glee, that the SAN schedule, as of about 6/6, is back up to 6x daily (more or less) departures to DEN! (Plus our new MKE flight of course. ) Only one E90 on the typical daily turn schedule. (I've seen a lot of remarks about SEA, SFO, etc., getting their 5th frequency but I had not heard about SAN's usual seasonal increase.)
Hopefully by the time June actually arrives, there will be an MCI-flight or 2 on the board as well....
Things are looking up in The (Other) City by the Bay!
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1307 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9308 times:
Quoting beryllium (Reply 12): But, of course, it is a bad example... It cannot be good, because it comes from me.
Please dont take things personally. PlanesNTrains and I both have disagreed with your comparison, and that is fine. PlanesNTrains chose to note your disagreement, respect it, and move on as I am doing. Others have stated why they feel US/HP is a bad example, and you disagreed. So why is it insulting that someone disagrees with your reasoning?
Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 14): So I take it then that all the E75s are tied up in contract flying for US/DL/UA? I wonder how long until they are available, or if he will be able to find some new ones somewhere.
Yes, as IndyWA stated they are all tied up. Some of the E170s were originally DL, but I think replaced with the E175s under a contract. BB said "in a perfect world" it would be E175s, but that is that. If RAH elects to exercise options, or acquire used frames in that size category, I would expect them to aim for E175 over E170. BB said he especially preferred the E175 over E170 out of DEN. I suspect that is why DEN has not been getting too many E170 routes, and some of the Lynx routes are going E190. The possibility of E195 down the road fascinates me as well. The crew costs would be higher, but strictly passenger wise, it is a very good replacement of A318.
"We have a right to fail, because failure makes us grow" --Glenn Beck
25 AirframeAS: I think it is worth noting that the DEN c-check operation is now closed as of this past Saturday. The last aircraft done was N927FR. I believe that th
26 LRDC9: SAN is moving up in the world, lol. Same here. I would have thought they would have much sooner dedicated those to Florida routes than Ohio. And stil
27 mariner: Both stations have always been good in summer. This is a way of getting more capacity in there (30 seats) without adding a whole other frequency (130
28 FRNT787: According to the RAH company fact sheet (updated in Feb) there are currently 12 E190s flying for RAH. I believe they had 6 coming in prior to picking
29 LRDC9: Does anyone know how the E170 costs compare to those of the E75 (or the e90 to E95)? I'm wondering why BB has a greater interest in theE75, except th
30 n7371f: Bedford previously stated that the ex-US E190's would fly Midwest runs out of MKE, while the factory delivered and leased E190's would fly for F9. His
31 FRNT787: That is I think the main reason. The E175 may have better climb potential, but I think mainly it is akin to the operating difference between A318/A31
32 FRNT787: BTW, for anyone interested, the Q4 conference call is Thursday, Feb. 25th, at 10:30 U.S. Eastern Time. http://rjet.com/investorrelations.html There sh
33 freakyrat: Mariner I like the jet with the frog on the tail.
34 kingcavalier: I'm with you. It was one of my favorites, and I hope it makes a reappearance soon.
35 FRNT787: So, since we have been discussing the fleet, in BBs latest letter, he states that if results in Summer are strong enough, there is potential to add ad
36 PlanesNTrains: Wow, is the pity party over yet? LOL. I don't know how to make it any clearer and more respectful than I did. The fact that I disagree is simply beca
37 mariner: But I wonder how many E170's are coming to DEN? They're in the schedule for DEN-COS from April 7 (two of the frequencies) and by the end of April one
38 FL787: Does anyone know what the hedging situation is at YX/F9/RAH? Maybe they'll address it on Thursday but I was curious with fuel creeping upward. I'm pre
39 FRNT787: They addressed hedging at the previous conference call, so I would expect either it to be mentioned, or a question to be asked. Most of the investors
40 FL787: I'll feast. On the E170 out of DEN by late April: DEN-COS 4x daily (plus 2 Dash 8s) DEN-OMA 3x daily (plus 2 E190s) DEN-ABQ 3x daily (plus 2 E190s) D
41 FL787: Sure enough, after taking a look, Knope was right. Around the same time, MKE routes are changing: MKE-LGA: 1 319, 2 E90s, and 1 E70 Down in frequency
42 FL787: Also MKE-STL is only showing 2 daily ER3s instead of the announced 3. MKE-CLE is getting an ER4 as an upgrade. I think I've checked every MKE route no
43 mariner: I don't know if everyone is keeping up with Branson - BKG - but there is a thread about it here: Branson Airport To Announce New Air Carrier (by atrud
44 FRNT787: The livery overall is absolutely amazing. It looks brilliant on the Q400s, Ejets and the Airbus.
45 Airport: I quite agree. The F9 livery looks just as modern and fresh as when it was first introduced. It conveys modern, "state-of-the-art" while being effect
46 GentFromAlaska: I second that. If it is re-branded it needs to be something new. Republic was a good name in the early to mid 80's. I flew on the original airline na
47 mostlyair: Luckily the focus of the survey wasn't really on the name, but more toward the onboard product and price. What airline have you flown in the past, yo
48 FRNT787: BB also, in his latest letter, stated that surveys will be heading out to employees as well next week. Plus, just to nitpick, it would be FF members
49 GentFromAlaska: Thanks for keeping me straight. Okay, I guess the question is do I the flying public want a cookies or critters. or a mish-mash of both. I'll get it
50 mostlyair: RAH, Republic Airways Holdings, owns Chautauqua Airlines, Shuttle America, Republic Airlines, Midwest Airlines and Frontier Airlines. The first three
51 AirframeAS: It is one the smartest looking liveries that I have seen behind AS. I disagree respectfully. Once the brand is decided upon, rolling over FF plans wo
52 mostlyair: Sorry I should of been a little bit more clear for what I meant. I mean hurt both FF groups when it comes to a brand loyalty. But when I think about
53 AirframeAS: I agree. And at the same time, the "new" FF program should add attractive perks to try to retain as many loyal flyers as possible on both sides of th
54 FRNT787: I am of the opinion that is a major part of the surveys being sent out, to figure out not only the brand, but the hard and soft product. FF program w
55 MostlyAir: Thanks for welcoming me. I will try my best to be unbiased and provide some good information. I do work for Midwest Airlines and I won't hide it. Dis
56 JBo: That's about all of what RAH paid for in the case of Midwest. I still believe that Republic could successfully manage the two brand names into a syne
57 FL787: The sixth flight isn't starting until June now, I was incorrect. MKE-DEN is one of the craziest routes ever. There are F9-operated YX flights, F9-ope
58 AirframeAS: That is the most difficult route to non-rev on. And I have not been able to do the route, yet!
59 MKENut: My opinion on brand name choice is this. All mainline flying should be done by Frontier and all regional flying should be done by the Midwest name but
60 MostlyAir: LOL...That's because if they're are open seats, people in marketing snatch them up for (non-rev) positive space travel. There are so many people from
61 AirframeAS: That is so wrong. That would cause an outcry among both respective carrier's employees. All of the Airbuses either already have the STRETCH or will b
62 MostlyAir: We're traveling for business meetings, not for pleasure of course. I hope this helps with any concern. We plan our trips around when there are open s
63 AirframeAS: That doesn't help at all, unfortunately. I still think it is wrong if this occurs on a frequent basis. Of course!
64 MCI10: I know we are selling stretch seating on all aircraft types now. So they have been all modified.
65 AirframeAS: No, not all aircraft types. The Q400's are not even modified. I stopped keeping track after last month, so I had a feeling that most of them were alr
66 MCI10: Sorry I forgot about the Q400 since they are going to get rid of them. But you are right and I dont think they were ever going to get the stretch sea
67 AirframeAS: I am trying to remember, if we had at one point considered installing STRETCH into the Q's. But that part is blank to me.... We have gone through a l