My only thought with Southwest is why would they have signed on with Frontier/Midwest for DEN when WN would have probably done DEN as part of a package of cities? The two might be unrelated, who knows.
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3751 posts, RR: 36 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14828 times:
If the new carrier turns out to be WN, I think DAL & MDW would be two of the destinations. Look at DAL-BKG-MDW on Great Circle Mapper. DAL-MDW is 793 miles nonstop. DAL-BKG-MDW is 794 miles. BKG could be used to feed DAL passengers into MDW just as AMA is used to feed DAL passengers into DEN. If a WN flight from DAL to MDW has to stop somewhere in a Wright Amendment city first, why not stop in a city that's giving you a subsidy? I think currently most of WN's DAL-XXX-MDW flights stop in STL. Making BKG the intermediate stop would probably make for a quicker ground time, as I doubt there would be that many people getting on/off in Branson.
boslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14704 times:
I would be shocked if it's Southwest. But then again, who saw Southwest going to Panama City. I just find it hard to believe that Branson could support a potential 10 daily flights to five nonstop destinations on Southwest. The revenue guarantee would be significant. My guess is the new carrier could be a regional jet operator who has idle RJ's sitting around - that list could be long. (Mesa, Republic, Transtates, Skywest)
Dallas News: "Southwest Airlines isn't landing in Branson
It's a hot rumor. However, it's not a true rumor, Southwest says.
"Hey everyone, it isn't us," Southwest Airlines spokesman Brian Lusk said in a comment posted Monday on Flyertalk.com. "I don't know who the carrier might be, but we aren't making any announcement tomorrow."
iloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 752 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13889 times:
Wild card: What about B6? They've been looking to establish a "Midwestern hub" of some sort and they could build it around a tourist mecca. The sky's the limit in terms of slots and they wouldn't have much interference in terms of congestion.
I know, I'm dreaming, but B6 needs to add more Midwestern destinations. They've got like this HUGE hole in their route map......
iloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 752 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13774 times:
Quoting chrisair (Reply 20): Branson is a "tourist mecca?" Does anyone under the age of 80 go there?
I know many people who go to Branson and are well under the age of 80, including myself (I am in my early twenties, and NO!, I do not like country music!!!). When I was there, I saw many families. It is also a very popular place for boating and fishing at the nearby lakes. It really is a beautiful place.
Branson is more touristy than many assume. We've got a lot of potential market for airlines to tap into and we need low fare service; it's just that the existing legacy airlines in SGF (AA, DL, UA) think they are king of the world and gouge us with high prices, while those in the big cities enjoy low fares.
iloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 752 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13718 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 21): Only if their grandparents take them, which happened to me twice. It was bad, really bad.
Quoting mariner (Reply 22): Over 7 million visitors a year. Not Las Vegas, but not bad for a hick town in the Ozarks.
And - you know - redneck dollars and white hair dollars are still green.
OK, I don't live in Branson, but I live in the Missouri Ozarks and I have observed comments on a.net today and in the past about our region that I find extremely offensive, not to mention an elitist tone in the posts.
What if I were to say something about the big cities and suburbia that many of you may live in? Would you not feel the same way?
Please keep this civil. I am really tired of our region being dismissed as "low-level hicks." We have a right to good air service, just as everyone else does!
Just because many of you may live in the more urban areas and enjoy $79 one-way fares to Florida, while we in the Ozarks have to cough up $500 or more, does NOT mean you are all better than us, neither are we better than you!
Calling All Airlines: Serve The People!!!!!!!
25 mayor: Ever heard of the word "competition"? Apparently not. If there was more competition in SGF, there would be lower fares. The legacy airlines are only
26 iloveboeing: I know exactly what competition is, and the legacy carriers are only charging the high fares here because they want to make up for their so-called "l
27 BMI727: That is pretty common to all midsize and small destinations. You can either pay up or drive. Nobody has a "right" to air service, other than EAS whic
28 mayor: There's nothing to "get away with" because they're doing nothing wrong. They're just reacting to the market place. That's capitalism.
29 krsw757: I am going to guess expressjet. Don't they currently have charter flights from Branson to Rockford?
30 mariner: Just because it is "capitalism" doesn't make it sensible. As Lenin said - a true capitalist will sell the rope to his own hangman. LOL. mariner
31 evanbu: It's Frontier. It's on the Branson airport website.
32 GentFromAlaska: As it relates to BNA. Not a bad idea for a potential weekend get-away With that said Tunica, Mississippi just south of MEM is only about a four hour
33 mariner: Um -- just for the record, that wasn't my quote. However, I might advocate BKG-BNA for other reasons. mariner
34 luckyone: Did anybody else read this thread title and think that Richard Branson was announcing a new airline? Virgin Somewhere?
35 sldispatcher: That's actually already been announced. Looking for something new to 5 different destinations, I believe. F9 announced that a little while back.
36 MtnWest1979: F9 was announced already. Also, Unless F9 was going to go: DEN,MKE,IND,MCI,XXX it doesn't fit.......
37 stlgph: regional? 5? Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis, Salt Lake, Memphis?
38 quickmover: Also said a "new" carrier. F9 announced service some time ago so they wouldn't be the "new" carrier. G4 would be my bet, since they serve 5 cities fro
39 steex: Not sure exactly what you're getting at there, but Branson doesn't have any casinos. I don't think Tunica and Branson would really be competing with
40 FWAERJ: It's not WN (they denied it) It's not FL (already there) It's not F9 (already there) My bet: It's G4, switching bases.
41 sldispatcher: Perhaps G4 believes there is another focus city there? Somehow, my money is still on small RJ service with hotel/destination packages.
42 MUWarriors: My completely uneducated guess is something similar to what FL and OO have in MKE, a regional flies in and out under their own name, but with a codesh
43 quickmover: Makes the most sense. They are selling vacation packages anyway to Branson--not Springfield. Probably got a better deal on fees as well.
44 mariner: It would be interesting to know how much cross-over there is between BKG and SGF. Travelocity is offering packages (air/hotel) for Frontier's DEN-BKG
45 IlliniCMI: G4 makes the most sense on paper, but I'm holding out hope for a regional carrier codesharing under a bigger airline. One can dream. By the way, I'm a
46 mariner: And here's a fun one - Terre Haute, Indiana - HUF - wants service to Branson: http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/Terre...direct-flights-to-branson-missour
47 chrisair: The city's motto is "Someone you love is always playing in Branson!" You can see Pat Boone. Who under the age of 80 knows who Pat Boone is, let alone
48 mariner: I guess you've never been to Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge in the Smokey Mountains. I used to go there a lot when I was in Tennessee. I put my brain in neu
49 MSYtristar: Here's an off-the-wall (and probably incorrect) guess: Locair (www.locair.net) I saw a PDF file a while back (wish I still had the link) with a propos
50 FATFlyer: I forgot about Locair. Last year they were saying they wanted to add Branson service in spring 2010. The pdf file here on page 5 has a map showing BK
51 sldispatcher: If it's Locair, that's not gonna....mmmm...."fly".
52 FWAERJ: The article states that they also are in talks for G4 to SFB (if G4 doesn't move all their service to MCO by the time they get the service). I could
53 drewwright: American Eagle from DFW and ORD. Total guess but sometimes a little left field is a good thing. DRW
54 FWAERJ: According to KSPR-TV, it's not Allegiant after all. It's FlyBranson/Branson Air Express, a public charter operated by ExpressJet. HOU has been confirm
55 WhatUsaid: FYI, Those who write headlines are not those who write the stories. The story didn't say new carrier, it said "an" ... Sounds like G4....
56 MattRB: Not sure about "major": AUS, DSM, HUF & SHV https://booksecure.flybranson.com/
57 FWAERJ: Nice to see Terre Haute getting scheduled service back! What was the last scheduled service HUF had?
58 GlobalCabotage: IAH is a destination as are DEN and ORD. UA / CO make this possible. Speculation is that IAD and LAX/SFO are the others.
59 steex: What is the source for your information? FWAERJ and MattRB's links seem to confirm that HOU, AUS, DSM, HUF, and SHV are indeed the five new destinati
60 777fan: Ummm, ORD? I'm sorry, but I just don't envision many New Yorkers or Californians jetting off to Branson. I may be wrong, but I believe my hunch is pr
61 falstaff: There is always a double standard. Make fun of "world class" city and get your post deleted, make fun of a resonably small, but great place, and ever
62 DeltAirlines: While B6 expanding in the midwest would be good, Branson makes zero sense for the reasons 777fan says. Midwest JetBlue service right now is best serv
63 mariner: LOL. This article claims Houston - but doesn't say if it its IAH or HOU: http://www.kspr.com/news/local/84986702.html "Breaking News: Branson to Anno
64 steex: Not to nitpick, but before you make comments like that, you should check a road atlas.
65 stlgph: i was about ready to post about how that's a heck of a detour!
66 KcrwFlyer: Everything is loaded in the booking engine. booksecure.flybranson.com
67 stlgph: the website for FlyBranson specifies Hobby.
68 evanbu: Here's an interesting fact- If you try to book a flight through the website, it allows you to "connect" or "stop" in Branson and continue on. For exam
69 surfandsnow: Ok, HOU is one of America's largest cities, and AUS is quite big too. DSM isn't large, but its not tiny either and I guess a lot of Iowans like to go
70 evanbu: Keep in mind G4 makes a killing at DSM in regards to business. The flights out of Des Moines are always full and filling a 50 seat XRJ or LRJ out of
71 PlanesNTrains: A selling point might indeed be the lack of [convenient] scheduled service to vacation spots. If you live in Terre Haute and want to take the family
72 PI731: CLT va US!!! They would love to get their hands on free money
73 mariner: I don't think Shreveport is untested. I believe Expressjet flew to Branson for the Christmas season. They certainly announced the service: http://sbj
74 stlgph: i've said it once and i'll say it again - Iowans make up the largest number out of state tourists for the Branson area. if Des Moines does well - woul
75 sldispatcher: Living in SHV, if I may respond: They did test it and did well (why else would they come back?). Additionally, this area is limited with regards to e
76 PPVRA: Phew, at least that makes two of us. I thought I was by myself here for a sec
77 MtnWest1979: Doesn't Sun Country get the exclusive Dallas route? One bonus to fly to BKG is route exclusivity. Wonder if that precludes metro areas or airports???
78 MtnWest1979: I like how you save $2 by booking online. You get hit $11.25 (each way) booking online or calling in. + $2 more if you call. They probably hit you wit
79 mayor: I was thinking the same thing. All that route will get you is LIT, FSM (wave as you go thru) and OKC.
80 BMI727: There are plenty of other parts of the country and world that I don't care much for. But Branson (and southern Missouri in general) have rightly earn
81 sldispatcher: Will be interesting to follow. Seems like this vacation model is growing, but it really is more of a novelty. I expect other communities to follow su
82 MCIFlyer: Press release from the Branson Airport..... sorry for excessive length. Best to leave it intact. Nonstop Service to Five Destinations, More On the Way
83 IlliniCMI: Well, I guess that's something. How did they decide on these cities?
84 RJNUT: Ok i am going to check out Des Moines to Austin and take "advantage" of the connecting options mentioned in the article..i like this feature!
85 sldispatcher: It will be interesting to see how many connecting folks they wind up with. I'd say less than 1%, but it IS nice that it is being allowed.
86 mariner: I'm guessing that in some cases they'll get zilch, but in others - maybe some. It might work better if they could also book through on the other two
87 RJNUT: What do you wanna bet they are mostly those desperate folks from Terre Haute...The airport there would be smart to promote the connections ,as they h
88 GentFromAlaska: Possibly a first in aviation. Whistle stop service.
89 FATFlyer: LOL, my old airline schedules call it Flag Stop Service.
90 mariner: Hey, why not? I don't know if its a first - I've done some very complex itineraries on puddle jumpers - but as noted in post #87 places like HUF may
91 ckfred: For some time, a lot of airlines list Springfield, Mo as Springfield/Branson. Would it be conceivable that some carriers might shift operations from S
92 HeeseokKoo: https://booksecure.flybranson.com/ Connection seems quite okay between DSM and AUS: BKG-DSM 1000am-1100am DSM-BKG 1125am-1225pm 12356 BKG-AUS 0445pm-
93 GentFromAlaska: I know whistle stop is better understood as railroad terminology. The Alaska Marine Highway System (State Ferry) also uses the term in deciding to sa
94 IlliniCMI: I wondered this, too. Perhaps, but probably not in the same mass exodus from Fayetteville out to XNA. Drake Field couldn't expand any more to allow i
95 mariner: I don't know if many will switch, although a lot of folk seemed to have money on Allegiant doing it. But for the airlines at BKG, does it double for
96 RJNUT: You know like many on here, I have "poo-pooed" those "hick" folks that go down there but most are really nice people (as long as they dont bring up po
97 MCIFlyer: Wait...drive 3 hours north to DSM, spend 2 hours checking-in/security/gate wait.... 1 hour flight..........sure isn't faster than the 4.5 hours to dr
98 exFATboy: Branson's almost an hour south of Springfield, so unless Branson Airport offered Allegiant dramatically lower landing fees I don't see this as likely
99 mariner: Call me dumb - I can be - but isn't that the classic LCC model? And you can bet that BKG is offering lower landing fees - and more. mariner
100 legacytravel: My guess would be OO flying at risk and code shared with FL. Similar to what they have in MKE. They could offer service to ATL, BWI and MKE. Just my h
101 sldispatcher: I think it is a very good possibility, but only if they think the SGF folks will drive south. Bargain hunters are notorious for the lengths they will
102 exFATboy: No, you're absolutely right - but Allegiant isn't a classic LCC. If they believe they'll lose passengers or have to offer lower fares to entice Sprin
103 IlliniCMI: True. It's about an hour drive from Springfield down to BKG. If fares are a lot cheaper, sure people will drive that far. From Springfield, you're 2
104 IlliniCMI: I know from experience that it's every bit of a 2 hour drive from Fayetteville to Branson on a winding road. I think you'd have a lot of trouble conv
105 mariner: I wasn't talking about Allegiant. But they didn't and they have to work with what they've got. And - call me dumb again - but there must be a reasons
106 MoMan: I don't think so, SGF is the business center of the Missouri Ozarks and there isn't much business traffic going to Branson. Branson is located about
107 af773atmsp: Also SY with seasonal service to MSP and DFW.
108 mariner: Sun Country has taken BKG off their route map. I don't know if that is a temporary thing but there has been discussion that they won't be back this y
109 sldispatcher: I just don't see any carriers moving from Springfield to Branson. Doesn't make sense to me. Only comment Mariner made was in regards to history of so
110 IlliniCMI: Right. Which is why I doubt any big movement from SGF to BKG. As for the hotel packages, that's not BKG's fault, that's the airline's fault. There ar
111 mariner: Southwest is, indeed, the great example. But the others do it, too. Both Airtran and Frontier preferred CAK to CLE, and have no reason to regret it.
112 IlliniCMI: I don't think I said you were. Others were.
113 mariner: I guess I'm totally confused now. mariner
114 sldispatcher: So anyone care to speculate? If SY is out of the picture, I'd say DAL and MSP, I'd think a Huntsville, AL or Louisville/Lexington, KY might be a good
115 IlliniCMI: Seems like kind of an eclectic mix. Anybody know how they came to decide on these? As for others, I doubt we'll see another Texas city right away. I
116 AVLAirlineFreq: Branson is very popular in the Chicago market. What about RFD? And can F9 be far behind with MKE?
117 sldispatcher: It is interesting that they served RFD over XMas...and no announcement...yet. I am guessing that instead of announcing 10 or 12 markets at once, they
118 mariner: I would think so, too. Except that MKE-BKG was a total turkey for Airtran. I wasn't paying a lot of attention at the time, so I don't know why it wen
119 777fan: LOL - good thing this isn't "busliners.net!" I dunno what I was thinking (IND-OKC?!) but it certainly wasn't close! 777fan
120 sldispatcher: One would think that would be a natural considering the close relationship with the music styles/performers, etc. I would also think the vacation dem
121 BMI727: Me neither. Branson is where you go if you can't go to Vegas, LA, or Orlando for some reason. Exactly. And business people are the ones willing to pa
122 mariner: Or if you don't want to gamble or if you don't want to mortgage your first-born child to buy a seat for a show? mariner
123 GlobalCabotage: Branson is indeed a popular route from Chicago. AA / UA / WN (who knows) could make this route a success. I do like the thougts of DAL-BKG-MDW on WN a
124 steex: The only difference is BKG isn't a free market. Since it is operated privately, BKG grants route exclusivity to its airlines. If they could convince
125 KcrwFlyer: Free market? Thats a private airport that's been granting exclusive rights to routes to airlines.
126 mariner: There's a good article about this in the Springfield News Leader, which examines it all in some depth: http://www.news-leader.com/article/20102240420
127 RJNUT: thats stilll free market...you can go build your own airport and do the same thing!
128 ssides: No one's saying they're better than you. All we are saying is that (1) the lack of competition in Springfield/Branson, (2) the fact that it is primar
129 GentFromAlaska: BNA is roughly 365 statute miles from BKG and roughly 275 statute miles from Pidgeon Forge, Gatlinburg, Dollyworld et all, in the Smokies. I guess th
130 iloveboeing: I totally disagree with you. Most people around here I talk to that fly drive to MCI or STL because the fares out of SGF are (and have been) outrageo