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Brussels Airlines Launches 4 New African Cities!  
User currently offlineSN-MD11 From Luxembourg, joined Dec 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11288 times:

Ouagadougou, Accra, Lomé and Cotonou.

Now on the GDS.

Abidjan will also be served 6 times a week iso of 4.

Planned launch: early July.

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10914 times:

Very good news indeed. Is SN getting one new A330?

Accra is served 4 weekly on triangular routes twice weekly with Lomé and twice weekly with Cotonou.

Ougadougou is 2 flights a week that continue to Abidjan (adding 2 flights a week).



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10804 times:

Is SN trying to recreate the old Sabena network...is this going to be their long haul speciality within the Lufthansa group?


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User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10706 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 2):
is this going to be their long haul speciality within the Lufthansa group?

I'd say that's a fair assessment indeed.

SN will soon serve no less than 18 central African destinations, so it's a safe bet indeed LH wants to position SN as the African specialist of their group of airlines and thus compete with AF on this front.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10646 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Is SN getting one new A330?

No. They're getting a very old one...

Quoting SN-MD11 (Thread starter):
Lomé

Wow. My first ever A330 flight was on SN to Lomé in 1997.


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10440 times:

Quoting SN-MD11 (Thread starter):
Abidjan will also be served 6 times a week iso of 4.

Is this route still going through Monrovia or has this been de-linked?


User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

On an ex-BD A332 by any chance?

User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10242 times:

For this to happen more birds definitely have to be coming around...from where?


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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10151 times:

Very good development. SN will be an excellent complement to LH network.

Rgs,


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9941 times:

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 6):
On an ex-BD A332 by any chance?

Nope, even older than that. a 1995 -300 series example.

Former Malaysian 9M-MKR and before was C-FBUS.

Well at least at 15 years old it's still a couple of years younger than most of the others in the fleet.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9908 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 3):
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 2):
is this going to be their long haul speciality within the Lufthansa group?

I'd say that's a fair assessment indeed.

SN will soon serve no less than 18 central African destinations, so it's a safe bet indeed LH wants to position SN as the African specialist of their group of airlines and thus compete with AF on this front.

As the old Sabena was notoriously loss making, hopefully they've learnt a few lessons from the past...

Considering the unhappy aftermath of Belgium's colonies in Africa, it is perhaps surprising that a Belgian airline should be used by LH to expand in Africa...



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User currently offlineSN-MD11 From Luxembourg, joined Dec 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
Well at least at 15 years old it's still a couple of years younger than most of the others in the fleet.

True. They have the very first models of A330 manufactured in 1993. And I hear they have the oldest fleet of all the Star Alliance members.


User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9639 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 10):
As the old Sabena was notoriously loss making, hopefully they've learnt a few lessons from the past...

Actually, Sabena has always been making money on its African operations, but managed to burn it all (and more) on other routes, notably those accross the Atlantic. SN currently only has long haul routes to Africa, and has been profitable for the past 7 years, so I'd say they have been quite successful at re-estabishing themselves.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 10):
Considering the unhappy aftermath of Belgium's colonies in Africa, it is perhaps surprising that a Belgian airline should be used by LH to expand in Africa...

It's not surprising at all, LH lacks the knowledge and the local connections to go as deep into Central (French speeking) Africa as SN does.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 12):
It's not surprising at all, LH lacks the knowledge and the local connections to go as deep into Central (French speeking) Africa as SN does

Perfect. SN has the local knowledge, language skills and cultural connection to become the main airline linking LH to West/Central Africa.

I see a huge potential for SN in this market which is otherwise dominated by AF.

Rgs,


User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Quoting SN-MD11 (Reply 11):
True. They have the very first models of A330 manufactured in 1993. And I hear they have the oldest fleet of all the Star Alliance members.

Well maintained, I reckon that these planes actually become very good workhorses, and can be insured way cheaper than brand new A330's.

Don't forget that African Airports except for a few are still very rough in every sense of the way!

Am I true in saying that SN flies older models for insurance purposes?


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

Accra is a very important African city, I'm surprised a leading airline to the continent doesn't fly there already! On the other hand, AF is currently the only European carrier to serve Ouagadougou, Cotonou, and Lome. Hopefully the entry of SN will lead to significantly lower fares to these countries, prompting more tourism, business trips, etc. to and from them.


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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting VinnieWinnie (Reply 14):
Am I true in saying that SN flies older models for insurance purposes?

Not for insurance purposes as sole attributal factor.
But surely the fact they must be dirt cheap in ownership and/or lease combined with more than enough capability for the relatively short African longhaul destinations makes them in no need for replacement.

Congrats SN & LH, I see SN as one of the best additions to the LH network and company possible.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11130 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Very smart move on Brussels'/Lufthansa's part.

Brussels is a fairly good place to connect in my experience, and when it comes to (former-)French (Francophone) Africa, it's the only European hub that has a reasonable shot at competing against the obvious heavy-hitter of CDG.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1439 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

I am flying SN for the first time ever this Wednesday BRU-NBO on an award ticket (continuation of a trip from SFO) and I am hoping for an upgrade to J on this route, any help from anyone at SN? Hehe. I am excited about flying a new airline for sure per I've flown at least 25 different airlines  


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User currently offlineSAABaby From South Africa, joined Nov 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Sabena used to be a regular visitor to JNB. Any chance of SN returning?

[Edited 2010-02-22 21:54:08]

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3709 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6435 times:
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Quoting slz396 (Reply 12):
SN currently only has long haul routes to Africa, and has been profitable for the past 7 years, so I'd say they have been quite successful at re-estabishing themselves.

Not surprisingly, SN will show a loss for 2009. More worrying, the load factor was a mere 63%.



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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

Any chance of SN returning to Libreville, Gabon? I know LH flies the route 5 weekly via Accra, in competition with AF 4 weekly B773ER, but Sabena and Swissair were very popular in Gabon...

User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1581 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Very good news for a closed market like COO.

I took Sabena from ORY connecting at BRU in 2000 and it was 300€ cheaper than the AF monopoly, hope it will lower the prices again with the re-launch.

Even at ticket price around 500€ for west Africa, these flights are something like 6 hours from BRU so it should generate cash (count 800 to 1000€ on AF!!!!!)

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 21):
Any chance of SN returning to Libreville, Gabon? I know LH flies the route 5 weekly via Accra, in competition with AF 4 weekly B773ER, but Sabena and Swissair were very popular in Gabon...

Gabon starts to be a bit crowded: LH AF and don't forget Bongo's Gabon Airlines...COO and LFW don't have a national airline to Europe



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User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 18):
I am flying SN for the first time ever this Wednesday BRU-NBO on an award ticket (continuation of a trip from SFO) and I am hoping for an upgrade to J on this route, any help from anyone at SN? Hehe. I am excited about flying a new airline for sure per I've flown at least 25 different airlines

Hope that you are going to make a trip report (with pics) about it? Didn't find any tripreport about SN's long haul on this site  


User currently offlineBralo20 From Belgium, joined May 2008, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

In addition to the new Africa flights, SN also confirmed that their new subsidiary "KORONGO" will start operations after this summer with a first flight between Lubumbashi and Kinshasa. The new airline will be owned by SN Air Holding (50%) and the Belgian group George Forrest International (50%). The operational base will be in Lubumbahsi.

The new airline will offer an alternative to the mostly blacklisted and unsafe airlines in Africa.


25 1stfl94 : Not with their current longhaul fleet. Their A330s would have to make a stopover somewhere and Europe-JNB is already served by three of their allianc
26 Post contains images Norcal773 : I just might whip my D90 and start clicking away in preparation for a TR. I am in the SN lounge in their T terminal and I am impressed by the lounge
27 Post contains links slz396 : That lounge got elected as one of the 50 best lounges in the world according to business traveller magazine, so no wonder you like it. http://bspirit
28 Norcal773 : I can see how, it was a very nice lounge and I am looking forward to spending 6 hours in it later this week on my return.
29 BRJ : So have the schedules been published for the ACC triangular flights?
30 OlympicATH : + TP and TK
31 Norcal773 : So SN canceled my NBO-BRU flight yesterday and I wasn't too happy because I needed to be back in SFO by Saturday and had given myself a day in case th
32 American 767 : If SN ever returns to JNB, which I doubt because as stated LH already flies FRA-JNB nonstop, the aircraft which is an A333 would have to stop in eithe
33 MaverickM11 : Is that still flying? They've cycled through about 3 carriers in two years it seems. Yikes
34 BRJ : I'm kind of surprised they launched these destinations over Lagos. I know LH flies FRA-LOS daily, but they also fly FRA-ACC as well. Sabena used to fl
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