enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8283 times:
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...
YX
MKE-LAS 2>1 APR-
MKE-LAX 2>1 APR- (Every month is a little different, but basically 4/wk less every month)
MKE-LGA 5>4 APR- (Slot went to DEN-LGA)
MKE-SAN 0>1 APR-
MKE-STL 3>2 APR- (3RD trip now never starts)
evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8205 times:
floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8191 times:
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8101 times:
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8026 times:
B. Eagle has flown to MQT for years. Now they have 1x daily ORD-MQT nonstop and 1x daily ORD-GRB-MQT which is apparently being cancelled. Eagle has a MX base in MQT so they need to get the plane in there somehow.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5149 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7998 times:
Is the reduction on CO IAH-SAP a seasonal reduction or permanent. I know loads to honduras are suffering badly. Alot of the traditional SAP pax used to go on the RTB but since RTB now has its own flight....it is perhaps hurting the SAP flight as well.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
KLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 584 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7819 times:
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7709 times:
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4): B. Eagle has flown to MQT for years. Now they have 1x daily ORD-MQT nonstop and 1x daily ORD-GRB-MQT which is apparently being cancelled. Eagle has a MX base in MQT so they need to get the plane in there somehow.
You wonder how that happened? You'd think they'd have it somewhere that was a little bigger city.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5): Is the reduction on CO IAH-SAP a seasonal reduction or permanent.
Probably seasonal, but who knows.
Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 6): No more EMB's in SJC :[. I have my theories as to why it quit, but why from 5 to nil? Couldn't they just do like 2 a day to ride it out?
It is odd. Frankly it was an odd route to begin with. Here's a theory. Perhaps since it was a pt2pt route for UA they were getting money from SBA to fly it and that money is now going to F9 to fly DEN? Just a theory...
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7294 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 8): You wonder how that happened? You'd think they'd have it somewhere that was a little bigger city.
That maintenance base was acquired along with Simmons Airlines when they were purchased by AMR to become an American Eagle carrier. Simmons was formed in Marquette back in 1978 and they used it as their home base. Their first routes were intra-Michigan flights to and from Marquette so it made sense to set up their maintenance facilities there.
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1224 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7119 times:
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7112 times:
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9): That maintenance base was acquired along with Simmons Airlines when they were purchased by AMR to become an American Eagle carrier. Simmons was formed in Marquette back in 1978 and they used it as their home base. Their first routes were intra-Michigan flights to and from Marquette so it made sense to set up their maintenance facilities there.
There is always a story. I noticed CO is down to one TYS-CLE. That's also a mntc base, although with much less history. I wonder if they rue their decision to put it there.
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2037 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9): Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
You wonder how that happened? You'd think they'd have it somewhere that was a little bigger city.
That maintenance base was acquired along with Simmons Airlines when they were purchased by AMR to become an American Eagle carrier. Simmons was formed in Marquette back in 1978 and they used it as their home base. Their first routes were intra-Michigan flights to and from Marquette so it made sense to set up their maintenance facilities there.
Simmons' code was always MQ, for MarQuette. This code remained in use even after Simmons' long time owners, Joel and Marvin Murray, sold the airline to AA.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7002 times:
Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 12): This code remained in use even after Simmons' long time owners, Joel and Marvin Murray, sold the airline to AA.
That reminds me of an interesting story I heard a while ago. Apparently the Murrays had rather expensive tastes and would indulge that with company money. They had a pretty large (and expensive) wine collection and uncorked a bottle or two to celebrate with the AA representatives after the sale. AA wasn't too happy when they realized that the wine had been a part of the purchase. I think that the remainder of the wine collection ended up in the ORD Admirals Club.
BayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6979 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13): Are these mainline or Horizon?
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6954 times:
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9): Simmons was formed in Marquette back in 1978 and they used it as their home base. Their first routes were intra-Michigan flights to and from Marquette so it made sense to set up their maintenance facilities there.
A bit off-topic, but that origin, of course, explains why American Eagle still retains the IATA designator of MQ -- for Marquette.
Quoting enilria (Reply 8): Perhaps since it was a pt2pt route for UA they were getting money from SBA to fly it and that money is now going to F9 to fly DEN? Just a theory...
I believe the majority of EMB flying done by SkyWest as United Express is at-risk, so this was probably an OO decision. The Brasilia fleet will see substantial reductions over the next few years as OO phases them out, so it may just be a matter of cutting a marginal at-risk route due to fleet considerations.
hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6612 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 15): I believe the majority of EMB flying done by SkyWest as United Express is at-risk
Dunno about the majority but the SJCSBA route is an at risk deal.
thegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2273 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4536 posts, RR: 28 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6418 times:
And perhaps introduce a BIL-SMF? I think they used to have a BIL-BOI (or was it Butte?) that allowed through connections to CA/NV without having to go through SEA/PDX.
brandonfs88 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9): Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
You wonder how that happened? You'd think they'd have it somewhere that was a little bigger city.
That maintenance base was acquired along with Simmons Airlines when they were purchased by AMR to become an American Eagle carrier. Simmons was formed in Marquette back in 1978 and they used it as their home base. Their first routes were intra-Michigan flights to and from Marquette so it made sense to set up their maintenance facilities there.
Marquette-Sawyer Intl Airport is located at the former K.I. Sawyer AFB with a 12,300ft runway and hanger's that were used on KC-135's and B-52's so the hanger space is very large for Eagle up there. IIRC they use 3 of the hangers up there which were acquired very cheaply from the County when the Air Force transferred ownership of the base to them.
kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6270 times:
KLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 584 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6239 times:
Indeed it was always an odd route. I like your theory, as well. I'm thinking it may have to do with EMB retirements and the fact that that sort of odd p2p just won't work with a CR2. But F9 may have stolen it away just as easily.
can we assume that AA does/did not have its code on any AS RNO-LAX flights?
Also, it appears that the new RNO LAX flights are being funded by reductions in flying on other LAX routes.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4978 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6179 times:
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6102 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 15): I believe the majority of EMB flying done by SkyWest as United Express is at-risk, so this was probably an OO decision. The Brasilia fleet will see substantial reductions over the next few years as OO phases them out, so it may just be a matter of cutting a marginal at-risk route due to fleet considerations.
Quoting hiflyer (Reply 16): Dunno about the majority but the SJCSBA route is an at risk deal.
SBA-SJC is far from a core United route and was OO pro-rate market.
The EMB fleet is indeed declining and additional market changes are forthcoming including withdrawal of service from atleast one California UAX city completely this summer as a result.
Quoting OA412 (Reply 23): Anyone know if LOS is still on? I was just on UAs site, and while the schedule to ACC has been loaded, the tag to LOS has not.
Pending government approval still. At worst case route will start with ACC only.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
25 FL787: OXR and/or CLD? Also how many EM2s are OO flying for UA under pro-rate flying? 24 are fee-for-departure, correct?
26 FATFlyer: The SJC-SBA route goes back many years. There is a small tech cluster around Santa Barbara. Skywest was going to cancel SJC-SBA a few years ago but th
27 Cubsrule: All three QX LAX-RNO flights carry AA codes today. I would not be shocked to see AA add an ORD flight at some point; I do think the market is there,
28 SlcDeltaRUmd11: SJC-SBA 5>0 JUN- I would think that if the route the demand to warrant 5 a day even with the economic downturn this route would be able to support
29 enilria: Let me say, that I enjoy having a nice general debate about schedule changes in a single thread. I also think that it's allowing a lot of a.net people
30 LAXintl: As of 12/31/09, 27 of the 39 EMB120s in the United system were pro-rate at-risk flying. United only paid for 12 directly. The EMB fleet is shrinking.
31 FATFlyer: According to the SBA area media, loads on the SBA-SJC flight have fallen to below 30%. http://www.thedailysound.com/022510SanJose
32 FL787: So they restructured the deal a lot in the past year I guess? I was just going off UA's last annual report which is obviously outdated by now. I'm wa
33 LAXintl: The SKYW 2009 10-K is out already. http://quote.morningstar.com/stock-f...d=916505b74e74be7243e8839006dfcf29 The EMB-120 fleet draw plan is to withdr
34 FL787: That sufficiently answers all my questions.
35 commavia: So what does this mean for United Express in California (LAX/SFO) and the Pacific Northwest (especially SEA)? I really don't realistically see many o
36 LAXintl: The slow disappearance of the Skywest EMB120 fleet has been known for a while. From United doing, its transitioning what flying that makes sense onto
37 ScottB: On a route as short as SBA-SJC, two daily round-trips are probably the absolute minimum needed to attract at least some business passengers. Even wit
38 mariner: You seem to be suggesting that Republic is receiving a subsidy for SBA-DEN. Do you have a source for this, a link? mariner
39 ScottB: Nope, responding to speculation from others.
40 LAXintl: I just looked at DOT numbers and for the last 12-months of data available an average of only 32.8 folks flew SBA-SJC daily. This compared to 175.3 th
41 SANFan: I find it rather interesting that at this point in time, Eagle is (apparently) not reducing LAX-SAN service even though DL has begun their own flying
42 steex: Thanks again, as always, for these updates enilria! The RON aircraft at STL has been eliminated, so the late night MKE-STL is gone along with the corr
43 ATWZW170: While I don't specifically remember BIL-BOI on anyone except GQ, it certainly doesn't mean they didn't do it. There was a time when BIL was a much bi
44 FATFlyer: I don't believe that Sun Aire flew the route. I need to check some files but I was thinking it originally started in the 1980s by Apollo (aka Pacific
45 WhatUsaid: Apollo did fly that route. Swift Aire must have also or Golden Gate. It's been around many years. Intra-state travel is looking pretty bleak these day
46 PlanesNTrains: It may have been Big Sky - you probably are right on that one. And I almost forgot about the GEG op's. They had a lot of routes to/through Spokane ba
47 enilria: Then why were they running so many RTs? Odd...That makes me think they were getting some sort of money and the spigot got turned off because it wasn'
48 steex: It's true, and YX has always struggled with STL anyhow. They performed reasonably well on the B1900, then retired those only to have difficulty filli
49 mariner: And I am compiling a list of them. A couple of interesting ones in there. I was hoping that what was happening here was more than just hot air and th
50 FlyPNS1: Virtually all new service in small markets has incentives and/or subsidies. Almost every airport will waive landing fees for the first year and provi
51 enilria: It would be like WN to throw a fire bomb in what is already a burning house. No, but the timing of SBA-SJC ending is a curious factor, particularly g
52 mariner: Why is it curious? It's pretty obvious to me. And since you objected to me using the word "subsidy" I'm not sure why you're using it now. But if that
53 AvConsultant: Interesting. I have often wondered why MQ setup shop there. I'm sure it's a nice small town feel easy to attract labor. Or maybe it's not. I can only
54 Cubsrule: YX coexisted with AA* forever (query how successful it was, but they remained). I don't know that it was unreasonable to plan on being the second car
55 FATFlyer: I have not heard of money from any group supporting the route. The route has gone up and down in frequency over the years. In 2006 it was only 4X wee
56 PSU.DTW.SCE: Cost of living is dirt cheap up there and when the base closed there were a lot of people looking for work. Plus, they realized they could attempt to
57 aaway: Also, there's a lot of private activity between SBA and the San Jse area (PAO, RHV , as well as SJC). Though the tech industry has 'rationalized' fro
58 nwaesc: MQ also ran MSN-MQT for awhile before it switched to MKE...
59 aaway: My understanding is that OXR is being discontinued. As a sidenote, OXR is attempting to draw DL/OO for SLC services. AE will reduce LAX-SAN to 13x p/
60 laca773: I just read LAX-SJC is going down to a single CRJ from 2 CR7s & 1 CRJ. UA's SJC station is slowly losing more and more service. After IAD & O
61 JetSetter629: Thank goodness - this route was long over due for a LLC ever since FL pulled out!
62 ScottB: United's intra-California and short-haul service from LAX, apart from LAX-SFO, is a shadow of what it was in the days of United Shuttle, particularly
63 United1: Looks like UAs LOS service is on hold for a while until the Nigerian government approves the service....but ACC is now loaded and BAH is good to go as
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