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United 787 Order Finalized  
User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 67
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17690 times:

United has finalized their 787 order.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1090

Also announced as 25 firm on the Boeing Orders and Deliveries site.

[Edited 2010-02-25 09:57:45]



[Edited 2010-02-25 12:24:17 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17662 times:
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Plus 50 options, so they appear to be planning for growth.

I expect they will firm their A350XWB order in the near term.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17507 times:

No word on RR or GE engines yet AFAIK...


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16893 times:

My screenname takes one more step closer to reality...not believing it until they take delivery in 2016.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16796 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
My screenname takes one more step closer to reality...not believing it until they take delivery in 2016.

Why? United is not Garuda.



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User currently offlinewarpspeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16794 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
My screenname takes one more step closer to reality

At least you have hope! How do you think I feel about mine? Forever lost in reruns and dvds and, maybe, revived on the big screen every three years.

Being from Chicago, I can't wait for United to take delivery although I'm sure ORD will see its share of 787's sightings before then.



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User currently offlineea772lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16730 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 5):
At least you have hope! How do you think I feel about mine? Forever lost in reruns and dvds and, maybe, revived on the big screen every three years.

That'd be spectacular!

Good news on the firming up.   



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User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16610 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 5):
At least you have hope! How do you think I feel about mine? Forever lost in reruns and dvds and, maybe, revived on the big screen every three years.

Have hope.... Even NASA has looked at the concept... even if remote for now.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warp.html

Also of interest of advanced propulsion:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/index.html

There is a ton of information on the NASA sponsored research available if you do the right searching. Many may view the results as inadequate; but, I think they much better defined the issues and pointed to some promising directions.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16609 times:

Any idea on how these will be configured? Are they likely to be like NWA(Delta)--2-class with 9-abreast in Y?

User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16311 times:

Quoting warpspeed (Reply 5):
My screenname takes one more step closer to reality

At least you have hope! How do you think I feel about mine? Forever lost in reruns and dvds and, maybe, revived on the big screen every three years.

Mine is sadly a scrapped DC-9-21 , but had a very good experience in OY-KIE  

It will be nice to see the 787 in UA colors!!!



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16204 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
Are they likely to be like NWA(Delta)--2-class with 9-abreast in Y?

UA will almost certainly make the initial deliveries 3-class to match current international service. Some later deliveries could be 2-class for 767 replacements for Hawaii. I hope they make the 3-class 8-abreast but a 2-class Hawaii 787 would almost certainly be 9-abreast. A 9-abreast 787 will have us pining for the golden age of 7-abreast 767s. Even the A350XWB is narrower than the DC-10/MD-11 or L-1011 which had 9-abreast seating for most of their operational lives. Of course the tri-jet widebodies started with 8-abreast and many early 747s were 9-abreast so many of the 787s that start life at 8-abreast in Y may later have 9 crammed in.

Dreamliner - the narrowest 9-abreast in scheduled service.


User currently offlineruscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1567 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15859 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 10):
Dreamliner - the narrowest 9-abreast in scheduled service

I think the 9 abreast 330 would take that honour.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 10):
Dreamliner - the narrowest 9-abreast in scheduled service.

Also the new Air AsiaX seating on both the A340 and A330 will be 3-3-3 in Y class:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...-air-asiax-seating-for-london-kl-r


User currently offlineflyabr From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15646 times:

Now that United has shored up it's 787 order...will American follow??

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15513 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
Why? United is not Garuda.

I need to more positive!

Quoting flyabr (Reply 13):
Now that United has shored up it's 787 order...will American follow??

If they continue their positive momentum of late...maybe...


User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15174 times:

First United order in the Boeing books since 15-May-1999.

Absolutely wonderful.


User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14965 times:

I assume this is for fleet replacement of the older 767's?

Good news for UA and Boeing.



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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13900 times:

How many passengers do their current 767s carry? Is it possible they really may do 8-abreast in Y or do we see a 7 abreast E+ and 9 abreast Economy on the way?

User currently offlinerolypolyman From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13762 times:

Where is UAL Corp getting $4.2 billion? Their balance sheet only shows $2.5 billion in cash, and they're not exactly a good lending risk. I'm wondering how it is they got a bank to underwrite this loan.

User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13272 times:

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 18):
Where is UAL Corp getting $4.2 billion? Their balance sheet only shows $2.5 billion in cash, and they're not exactly a good lending risk. I'm wondering how it is they got a bank to underwrite this loan.

$4.2 billion isn't payed all now. When airlines place orders, they only pay deposits, which is a small fraction of the cost. The full price is payed off when the actual plane is in their hands.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13208 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Plus 50 options, so they appear to be planning for growth.

That was part of the original announcement.

25 787s + 50 options
25 A350s + 50 options


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13108 times:

UA seems to be constantly on-and-off regarding LAX-HKG.... do u think the 787 is suitable for that role ?

also, i really think ORD-HKG can now be split into 2 flights much more efficiently (compared to using a 744)

and even IAD-HKG become a possibility


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12954 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
Any idea on how these will be configured? Are they likely to be like NWA(Delta)--2-class with 9-abreast in Y?

UA is committed to 3 class service for the time being. Things might change in the future, but for now UA is the only airline that offers 3 class service on every long haul international flight.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 16):
I assume this is for fleet replacement of the older 767's?

It is a replacement for all the 767s. They are slated to be gone in 2019. A350s will be responsible for the replacement of the 747s.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 17):
How many passengers do their current 767s carry? Is it possible they really may do 8-abreast in Y or do we see a 7 abreast E+ and 9 abreast Economy on the way?

The 767s have been reconfigured for the last time in their lives at UA. 7 abreast will stay. There is not enough reason to update interiors again when there is a replacement in the 2016 to 2019 time frame.

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 18):


Where is UAL Corp getting $4.2 billion? Their balance sheet only shows $2.5 billion in cash, and they're not exactly a good lending risk. I'm wondering how it is they got a bank to underwrite this loan.

United has liabilities for about 60 million for the first 3 years. Significant payments will not start until after 2013. UA expects the economy to be markedly better by the time payments and deliveries will take place. As of now there are no loans.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12531 times:

This is good news for our Star Alliance partner UA. I'm looking forward to seeing them in UA colours.
Also having 3 Star Alliance all flying B787s, AC, CO and UA while US will be flying A350xwb along with UA A350xwb.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 22):
The 767s have been reconfigured for the last time in their lives at UA. 7 abreast will stay. There is not enough reason to update interiors again when there is a replacement in the 2016 to 2019 time frame.

I think he is talking about the 787s. It would be interesting if UA did 8-abreast for E+ and 9-abreast for Y.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
UA seems to be constantly on-and-off regarding LAX-HKG.... do u think the 787 is suitable for that role ?

I could see the 788 allowing UA to open some Pacific routes like:

LAX-HKG
DEN-NRT (If ANA doesn't do it first)
ORD-HND
SFO-SIN (Does it have the legs?)
ORD-KIX
ORD-India
SFO-India

But for the Atlantic, I am worried that the 788 will be too big for some of the existing routes and too big to open any new European routes...but it could allow them to expand more in Africa and the Middle East.


25 kiwiandrew : 3 Star Alliance ??? *** clears throat*** What about the first two airlines to ever place orders for the 787 NH and NZ ? ( Way back when it was still t
26 9V-SVC : Garuda has improved a lot, don't be shock when you fly with them. I rather fly on GA than UA. Why? Service is better. Period.
27 DfwRevolution : TWA A330s CO A340s NW A340s SAA 777s Plenty of widebody orders from legitimate carriers have never come to pass...
28 Post contains links and images N776AU : Aviation-Designs.Net:Design © Jennings HeiligTemplate © Jennings HeiligAviation-Designs.Net:Design © Jennings HeiligTemplate © Jennings Heilig Can
29 ATLflyer : I did not mean on the 767s...I meant on the 787s maybe they will have the configuration I mentioned. I asked how many their current 767s seat b/c the
30 American 767 : And you can add to the above list: Alitalia B744 British Caledonian MD-11 Kenya Airways B764 Those orders were placed officially but canceled afterwa
31 LH7879 : German Wiki and aero.de say both the 25 787 and the 25 A350 are substitute for the 763 and 744 from 2016 on. Can anyone draw me a picture how the 787
32 Burkhard : Every article in Wiki is wrong is a good basic assumption. Current United long range are based on B767,B777 and B744. They will get B787s and A350s. W
33 777fan : Interesting idea, although that'd be a quite a PR-coup since people already bitch about having to pay for the extra 5" in E+ and the creation of a cl
34 AirNZ : Presumably, BCAL going out business would have played a significant part in that 'cancelled afterwards' which you really should have mentioned.
35 United1 : The 787-8s are slated to begin to replace the 767-300ER aircraft in UAs fleet and the A350-900s are to replace the 747-400s however realize that none
36 VC10er : If UA is committed to a 3 class configuration ( one reason I am loyal to them) what happens when they snuggle up even closer to CO? As a heavy interna
37 yellowtail : And most likely we will ad VS A388 to this.
38 colinatl : Now that UA, CO and hopefully soon AA will have their 787 orders complete, what does everything think about DL? Do you all think they will let their 7
39 N328KF : How could we forget EK A340-600s?
40 seabosdca : Meh. As has already been pointed out, various carriers' A310s and A330s take that honor. And the 787 at 9Y will have seats and aisles exactly as wide
41 AirCanada014 : German Wiki and aero.de say both the 25 787 and the 25 A350 are substitute for the 763 and 744 from 2016 on. Can anyone draw me a picture how the 787
42 Post contains images MCIGuy : The 788s are intended to replace 763 on a more or less 1:1 basis while the A359s will replace 744s, I presume with increased frequency, where appropr
43 VC10er : I know there has been a lot of doubt that UA would replace all it's 747's with 747-8i or A380's. But given UA's huge long haul Asia routes for which t
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