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Flight Canceled After Flight Attendants Brawl  
User currently offlinecsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23927 times:

Didn't see this posted here, or at least a title with something that referenced this.

http://www.ajc.com/news/flight-canceled-after-flight-331605.html

A Delta Connection flight from Rochester, N.Y., to Atlanta was canceled after an altercation between two flight attendants.

Sounds like a fun flight. I wonder what the story behind the story is?


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User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 968 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23845 times:

IFE?
I mean this sounds like a great deal of entertainment, right?

They were probably duking it out over the guy in the hotel last night.



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User currently onlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23694 times:

I feel cheated...I am never treated to a free-for-all in the galley before the flight.

User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23391 times:

More extensive article including video:

http://www.wwlp.com/dpps/news/strang...ts-fist-fight-on-plane-jgr_3253531

[Edited 2010-02-26 09:22:20]


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User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23078 times:

And that is what passes for regional jet flying in America today, two flight attendants who think they're participants in a Roller Derby cat-fight. Interestingly the reporter mentions it was a "Delta" captain who returned to the gate, failing to mention that the CRJ900 was crewed by Pinnacle Airlines operating as a Delta connection.

User currently offlinetrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22988 times:

Apparently there were people on board with non-refundable cruise tickets. Me thinks they just became refundable via Delta. If it is the case that the FA's decided that their place of work was the appropriate place to duke it out, hopefully they get a pink slip.

User currently offlineLRDC9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22586 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 4):
And that is what passes for regional jet flying in America today, two flight attendants who think they're participants in a Roller Derby cat-fight. Interestingly the reporter mentions it was a "Delta" captain who returned to the gate, failing to mention that the CRJ900 was crewed by Pinnacle Airlines operating as a Delta connection.

Umm over generalization much? Most airlines (yes even the "loathed" regional) employees are dedicated and professional. If anything, I have met more motivated friendly F/As on regionals than mainline. So just saying . . .

Plus Pinnacle flies exclusively for Delta, so it is operationally limited to that brand anyway.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 21843 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the F/A's was my ex  

User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20886 times:

Wow, this is a naughty no-no... I don't care if she stole your Jimmy Choos, slept with your boyfriend, AND stole the last good treadmill at the gym; you don't let this affect the customers. Just smile, laugh, and know that her bad juju will catch up with her. Totally unacceptable to let it get to this point!

   *wags finger*


Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20602 times:

I'm surprised that none of the FA's were arrested for crew interference!   


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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20546 times:

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 4):
Interestingly the reporter mentions it was a "Delta" captain who returned to the gate, failing to mention that the CRJ900 was crewed by Pinnacle Airlines operating as a Delta connection.

The general public makes no such distinction. When you buy the ticket it says "Delta" not "Pinnacle"*...so if there is problem with a regional, it becomes Delta's problem.

* may be stated in the small print somewhere, of course.  



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20547 times:

Not that it makes it much better but the altercation was NOT physical. The representative said it was not physical and the passenger who were making those allegations were repeating hearsay none of them actually witnessed anything. If they had witnessed something you can guaranty they would be talking details not saying stuff like "apparently there was a fist fight"

User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20288 times:

You get what you pay for.

User currently offlinetfmd80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18825 times:

Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 8):
Just smile, laugh, and know that her bad juju will catch up with her. Totally unacceptable to let it get to this point!

I couldn't agree more! I don't understand how trained flight attendants could allow a confrontation to escalate to such an extent. I can't imagine looking up from my magazine only to see two flight attendants duking it out. Refund, anyone?
  


User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18298 times:

Now you know why the F/A's request that the cell phones and cameras stowed away. To keep the MMA fighting off of you tube.  

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlinerdhamr309 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17887 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 7):
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the F/A's was my ex

Hahaha too funny!!!         


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16165 times:

Quoting rdhamr309 (Reply 15):

The other one was mine!


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15609 times:

At least this happened on the ground and not in the air! I can just imagine what would have happened had there been an emergency on this flight. The F/As would probably have gotten into a fist fight over who got to operate the emergency exit doors.   I'm joking of course!


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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14938 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 17):
At least this happened on the ground and not in the air! I can just imagine what would have happened had there been an emergency on this flight. The F/As would probably have gotten into a fist fight over who got to operate the emergency exit doors. I'm joking of course!

...or they would have been scared shitless to the point of being no good to anyone.


User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14566 times:

As unfortunate is this is. The term "brawl" is puffing this up a bit.

User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14569 times:

This is crazy! And m11stephen is right...imagine if it happened on board....

Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 6):
I have met more motivated friendly F/As on regionals than mainline.

Me too....maybe because the legacies have old washed up FAs  ....but now I avoid regionals as much as possible...



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User currently onlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2247 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14531 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
I'm surprised that none of the FA's were arrested for crew interference!

I was thinking the same thing...



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14290 times:

Quoting trigged (Reply 5):
Apparently there were people on board with non-refundable cruise tickets. Me thinks they just became refundable via Delta. If it is the case that the FA's decided that their place of work was the appropriate place to duke it out, hopefully they get a pink slip.

  
Hopefully Delta refunds the passengers for these passengers for their cruise as well as the ticket as well as a voucher for future travel (actually, the bill should be forwarded to Pinnacle but point is, the passengers deserve to be fully compensated and the F/As probably terminated.). Maybe they could take the reimbursement for the passengers out of the F/As paychecks.   

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 17):
At least this happened on the ground and not in the air! I can just imagine what would have happened had there been an emergency on this flight.

Well that's why I don't see why the news worded their story "The Captain kicked everyone off" (well, actually I can because the media are often a bunch of morons who don't fully check the facts themselves). But knowing that the F/As are there for safety and knowing that in an emergency these two clearly wouldn't be able to handle themselves, yet alone the other passengers, the Captain made the tough but right call not to operate the flight.


User currently offlinehamster From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13830 times:

What is the truth? Was there a fight or no? Were physical punches thrown or not? The quest for certainty remains unclear. Either way we look toward these people to get us out of a smoky jet in a mishap. It is not acceptable for these individuals who may play a role in saving lives and giving life/safety orders to be carrying on this way? If the fight was physical or verbal, it is an embarrassment for Delta and they should be terminated.

User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13640 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 18):
...or they would have been scared shitless to the point of being no good to anyone.

Its obvious that these two F/As weren't professional and they probably didn't understand the responsibility that their jobs' entail.

Every once and a while I see an F/A that I doubt would be any good in an emergency. These two F/As fall into that category. Say what you want about the senior mamas but when it comes to emergencies they perform exceptionally well.  



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25 flybyguy : I'm asking the question why weren't these two arrested on charges of flight interference? If two passengers were in the same altercation, you bet your
26 cschleic : Now you know why the F/A's request that the cell phones and cameras stowed away. To keep the Exactly, the crew authority thing can go too far. Kind of
27 Post contains images TheCol : One of the pilots probably got really lucky the night before.
28 Maverick623 : And the pilot should be commended for that. Presumably because none of the crew reported it as such. Over a verbal altercation at the gate? I hardly
29 2175301 : Unfortunately, just getting reimbursed may not make the people whole. Vacation time often cannot be replaced; and the passangers may not be able to r
30 XFSUgimpLB41X : Yet another reason why outsourcing is a total waste of money and ruins a company's image and reputation.
31 LRDC9 : May I repeat that this is hardly how everybody acts. That's a mighty broad brush your painting with buddy.
32 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : , , and ! And this also wouldn't be an issue if North American carriers would agree to fly their regional jets in-house and could agree on appropriat
33 doug_Or : DL pilots have CRJ 900 and EMB 190/5 pay scales in their contract. They'll do it. Delta just doesn't want [to pay them] them to.
34 luv2cattlecall : Really? So what about those NW pilots who got paid 6 figures..the ones who took a nap? Somehow that appears to be a much more serious offense to me.
35 Crosscheck007 : I'm not saying I don't believe you, but do you have a source for this? I find this really interesting, as this is the first case I have heard of main
36 doug_Or : Delta jumpseater showed it to me 2 or 3 years ago. It was a .pdf on some kind of smart phone. ...So no, I don't have a good source for it. My memory
37 FlyDeltaJets87 : That is an unfortunate but true reality. Most companies would (hopefully) be willing to work with the customer though, especially in this economy. I
38 CRJ200FAGuy : So apparently us regional folks are all scum and do a terrible job. Apparently, no one at the big airlines ever does anything wrong. I seem to remembe
39 DashTrash : Now you know why the F/A's request that the cell phones and cameras stowed away. To keep the Apples and oranges sir.... By the way, do you know what t
40 XFSUgimpLB41X : DL has payrates for the CRJ-900 and Embraer 190 and 195. ASA's payrates for the CRJ-900 actually top out higher than the ones that are in DL's contrac
41 Tradewinds : Totally unprofessional and unforgivable, but an indication of the state of things it is not. I agree that in general, I've found the regional F/As to
42 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : I believe you work for Pinnacle... I used to work there. You do know the usual term around there for when a passenger or employee gets royally screwe
43 Post contains images m11stephen : I hope that they would perform their duties well but just because an F/A passes training does not mean they will perform well in an emergency. These
44 FlyDeltaJets87 : I understand exactly what luv2cattlecall was saying and he was right. His point was this sort of stuff is not limited to the regional carriers. The N
45 Crosscheck007 : Thanks for the info! Seems reasonable enough, but I am sure that there are other costs that (in DL's eyes) must make the operation by DL cost-prohibi
46 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : Only according to "them", lol. Just remember, we are the young, vibrant, resilient, attractive, (and flexible) ones that could outrun, outlift, and o
47 757luver : And I was on a Delta Connection flight today, but it was operated by Comair. I can't believe I missed it. Going to have to start making sure I get the
48 EWRkid1990 : ...most non-flightaphiles don't care about the specific regional airline that was operating the flight...for a journalist it's not pertinent informat
49 AEroc : I work for MQ (American Eagle) in ROC..... I started work that day at 10am and the Delta tkt counter line was still out the door. I think this was the
50 nwaesc : You can't get blood from a turnip...
51 Kaiarahi : Or crap out of a shute
52 hamster : I don't know how ticket agents do their job. I would last about 5 minutes in that job with people screaming and yelling at me. Hats off to those prof
53 FlyDeltaJets87 : Perhaps not but it would still send a message to these two and to other employees. Basically don't give them their last paychecks and instead use the
54 Post contains images Flaps : Apparently you have never worked on a farm.....or a honey wagon.
55 Macsog6 : Perhaps this could be a new form of IFE?
56 Post contains images soon7x7 : Would loved to have seen that on a 'Hooters" flight!
57 XFSUgimpLB41X : Yay! The future of the industry at 12-14 bucks an hour!!!
58 exFWAOONW : Even on the farm, it comes down a CHUTE. I and others arn't sure what a shute is.
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