KLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 584 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5969 times:
Quote: An announcement about Delta Air Lines expanding service to and from Grand Forks may be made within a week or two, said Patrick Dame, executive director of the Grand Forks Regional Airport Authority.
Looks like Delta is talking about some more options to GFK, and I'm frankly glad. Kudos to Byron Dorgan and Governor Hoven. It will be nice once the new terminal comes on line and until then this should be a decent short term solution.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8770 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5957 times:
Likely a SLC flight, much in the same line as other North Dakota cities have seen new/expanded SLC service announced over the past couple of weeks.
deltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5807 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Likely a SLC flight, much in the same line as other North Dakota cities have seen new/expanded SLC service announced over the past couple of weeks.
SLC,ATL and DTW could all happen but i would put money on SLC.
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KLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 584 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5674 times:
Quoting deltaL1011man (Reply 2):
SLC,ATL and DTW could all happen but i would put money on SLC.
I really can't see anything beyond SLC and MSP. FAR is most likely to get something than the usual duo of MSP and SLC, and I believe that DTW would be the most likely candidate from FAR because of the onward international and eastward connections. Right now, it seems that OO to ORD and DL to MSP are good enough until the marked in Fargo needs more.
kinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5520 times:
Maybe it will be just more MSP service?
Speaking of GFK, someone told me the DC-9 is being pulled from GFK schedules after Spring Break and that it will be all Connection, except the 7AM GFK-MSP will still have First Class in the form of a CRJ-900. Ugh! I love the DC-9!
azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3554 posts, RR: 30 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5409 times:
My bets are on SLC as well... I just hope it doesn't come at the expense of a frequency to MSP.
phelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5206 times:
Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 5): Speaking of GFK, someone told me the DC-9 is being pulled from GFK schedules after Spring Break and that it will be all Connection, except the 7AM GFK-MSP will still have First Class in the form of a CRJ-900. Ugh! I love the DC-9!
What we have seen so far, starting April 6th, flights change. That day we actually show 3 DC-9s and only 2 CRJ's. After that, the 7am becomes a CRJ, the 1pm becomes a DC-9, and the 5pm becomes a CR9. It looks that way for April and May. Keep in mind though that the summer schedule has not been finalized or released. BUT, at least we get some F seats back. I for one am excited.
As far as the "expanded service," I don't really know what to think. Anything they do will be a trail only and probably not begin until summer. Typical Delta trail periods are June-Aug., at least in my experience. So, we may see SLC come onboard, or just an increase in mainline service. Time will tell, so I look forward to their annoucement in the next few weeks.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4869 times:
It's great to hear GFK and North Dakota. A little off the subject...I've always wondered why QX hasn't tried service to communities in ND, SD and WY. Those flights wouldn't be any longer than flying SEA-STS, PDX-SJC or BOI-LAX.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4777 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9): It's great to hear GFK and North Dakota. A little off the subject...I've always wondered why QX hasn't tried service to communities in ND, SD and WY. Those flights wouldn't be any longer than flying SEA-STS, PDX-SJC or BOI-LAX.
I dunno...
SEA-BIS: 1,015mi
SEA-RAP: 957mi
SEA-JAC: 620mi (to me, the most likely)
They could however, route those pax through BOI. Sure, the flights would probably never ever sustain a profit, but it'd certainly be great for a certain aviation spotter named Airport that resides there! After all, my spotting opportunities are far more important than money.
b741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3894 times:
Good to see GFK and the city expanding. I picked up a brochure at the Columbia Mall kiosk last week explaining everything. I will try the service next time I vacation instead of driving all the way to MSP.
phelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
NWA330nut From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
phelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2505 times:
That makes 2 of us, but sadly, no one really knows yet. It was announced to be all CRJ's, with only 1 DC-9 a day. However, I doubt DL has released any schedule yet. Currently, we show 3x CRJ's, 1x DC-9, and 1x CR9 starting April 6th. The new flights are going to depart around 3 pm and 7pm, inserted before and after our last current flight. New departure times are estimated at 0510, 0700, 1100, 1305, 1454, 1706, 1850. Service increase begins June 10th.
robo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
So two addtional frequency's to MSP. I was thinking like most everyone else that it would be SLC. I think that would have worked out well wtih a CR9 with maybe say two round trips a day to connect with everything out west instead of having to connect through MSP.
I believe AS/QX could make routes work from SEA-BIS/FAR/MOT/GFK/RAP/FSD. GFK among other ND cities just hasn't had that much service since the original F9 was merged in with CO in 1987. Continental began service to all those old F9 cities to DEN and eventually pulled out with the collapse of the DEN hub.
I have often thought that CO would start some service back into ND either via CLE or even from IAH with expressjet, but so far that has not happened.
GFK is picking up a little service with the addtion of G4 from GFK to IWA, so maybe there will be more to come in the future.
jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2146 times:
Quoting robo65 (Reply 15): So two addtional frequency's to MSP. I was thinking like most everyone else that it would be SLC. I think that would have worked out well wtih a CR9 with maybe say two round trips a day to connect with everything out west instead of having to connect through MSP.
I believe AS/QX could make routes work from SEA-BIS/FAR/MOT/GFK/RAP/FSD. GFK among other ND cities just hasn't had that much service since the original F9 was merged in with CO in 1987. Continental began service to all those old F9 cities to DEN and eventually pulled out with the collapse of the DEN hub.
I have often thought that CO would start some service back into ND either via CLE or even from IAH with expressjet, but so far that has not happened.
GFK is picking up a little service with the addtion of G4 from GFK to IWA, so maybe there will be more to come in the future.
GFK-MSP isn't really that much back tracking and adds hardly any time to total trip length for westbound travelers to warrant a SLC flight right now.
As for AS/QX to SEA to anywhere in the Dakotas, you are talking 1000 miles+ on a DH4. I don't think you are going to find many travelers wanting to spend 3.5 hrs+ on a DH4, to go even further out of their way to SEA to make connections to other western cities when they could connect far more easily through MSP or SLC.
Airport From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
Quoting jkudall (Reply 16): As for AS/QX to SEA to anywhere in the Dakotas, you are talking 1000 miles+ on a DH4. I don't think you are going to find many travelers wanting to spend 3.5 hrs+ on a DH4, to go even further out of their way to SEA to make connections to other western cities when they could connect far more easily through MSP or SLC.
Agreed.
Plus, for North Dakota, SEA is not at all an ideal geographical connecting location for anywhere other than Asia, Alaska and Hawaii, of which the number of travelers everyday that would connect to those flights is probably very very small. I'd love to see it, but I couldn't possibly see how any of the mentioned routes could be made possible with a Q400.
Maybe, maybe with a CRJ-700 once a day on a triangle route; say SEA-BIS-RAP-SEA could be profitable, but the inherent problem is that you're tying up a valuable aircraft for what would be the longest route in QX's system. The question would then remain, would it be worth it? Or could the aircraft be more efficiently used elsewhere? Probably.
But like I say, I'd love to see it, and I'd love to be wrong.
Agreed,Agreed. Seattle is a very poor transfer location compared to SLC. Horizon, with the fleet they have left, will not waste a CR7 on routes to N.D. when its the primary a/c used for service to major cities from the PDX hub. Not to mention their timer being on for the end of the CR7's QX flying days.
And a Q400 for 3.5 hours, even as a airline geek and GA pilot I would have to think twice about that one!
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MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 13): Any idea on the equipment? I'd like to see something other than a CRJ2 or DC-9. Another CRJ9 possibly?
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1802 times:
Quoting kinglobjaw (Reply 5): Maybe it will be just more MSP service?
Speaking of GFK, someone told me the DC-9 is being pulled from GFK schedules after Spring Break and that it will be all Connection, except the 7AM GFK-MSP will still have First Class in the form of a CRJ-900. Ugh! I love the DC-9!
-Kinglobjaw
Not showing that at the current time.
Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 13): And what ever happened to the A318 coming to North Dakota?
A318? NW/DL don't have A318's, only F9 does. We had an A320 last thursday replace the DC-9 due to weather, before the economic downturn, NW was planning on scheduling A319's and 757's to GFK.
Flight schedule for this summer
GFK-MSP
DL 4017 Dep. 5:13a Arr: 6:26a CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 2790 Dep. 7:00a Arr: 8:07a DC-9-50
DL 4037 Dep. 10:55a Arr: 12:08p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 3962 Dep. 1:10p Arr. 2:17p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 3893 Dep. 3:00p Arr. 4:11p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 3340 Dep. 5:06p Arr. 6:18p CRJ-900 Operated by XJ
DL 4419 Dep. 7:00p Arr. 8:10p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
MSP-GFK
DL 4046 Dep. 9:10a Arr. 10:26a CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 3911 Dep. 11:20a Arr. 12:31p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 4384 Dep. 1:05p Arr. 2:25p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 3322 Dep. 3:15p Arr. 4:27p CRJ-900 Operated by XJ
DL 4124 Dep. 5:15p Arr. 6:36p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
DL 2784 Dep. 7:10p Arr. 8:23p DC-9-50
DL 4003 Dep. 9:45p Arr. 11:00p CRJ-200 Operated by 9E
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
airportguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 20): before the economic downturn, NW was planning on scheduling A319's and 757's to GFK.
Not sure who you are talking to at NW planning but that was ever an option for GFK....maybe a pipe dream. GFK never had Airbus nor Boeings in their schedule. For a small market that is to large of an aircraft and to short of a stage length.
I have only been to GFK a couple times, but wow, that sounds like overkill to me. Would seem like a far stretch from the days I flew Saab 340's from GFK to MSP (which was only about 10 years ago when I did that).
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1395 times:
Quoting airportguy (Reply 21): before the economic downturn, NW was planning on scheduling A319's and 757's to GFK.
Not sure who you are talking to at NW planning but that was ever an option for GFK....maybe a pipe dream. GFK never had Airbus nor Boeings in their schedule
Airbus's are sometimes scheduled up here, couple years ago they scheduled one for a week coming in here. Anyway this came right from the GFK airport director about a year ago. YXE has seen 757-300's from NW before, hunting season it wouldn't surprise me. Before DL took over NW was running 3 DC-9's a day, most of the time they were going out full. As for the Saabs coming in here they did it as a stop over to DVL.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
DLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1322 times:
In Duluth, Delta has strategically made everybody in Duluth happy by going to eight flights to MSP. Yet they are still only a shell of their former operation because instead of having 6-7 flights where half of them are on A320's, there are now 8 flights coming and they are all on CRJ's. So, overall, our market is only 75% of the former market (in seats), and since seats, not flights drive prices, its nothing that exciting (and plus I liked watching A320's more than CRJ's land). I have seen they are doing this in other markets too where they replace bigger planes (Northwest was known for all the mainline flights to small midwest cities) with smaller planes. Overall, seats change little or decrease.
It sounds like the same thing happended in Grand Forks with two additional flights. Overall, its probably better to have the airline put all its the flights to one city instead of splitting them up. That means that if you miss a flight or need to reschedule, its nicer having more flights instead of having a few at one airport and a few at the other.
Duluth is a nice city, we even get 3 months without snow per year
25 fghtngsiouxATC: I wish Compass would bring in their E175's instead of those cramped CRJs by 9E and XJ. I know they were going to at one point recently, but for some r
26 azjubilee: Seriously? You guys can't deal with a CRJ for less than an hour? The the CRJ was designed for small/medium markets, like GFK.
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Agreed.
Agreed,Agreed. Seattle is a very poor transfer location compared to SLC. Horizon, with the fleet they have left, will not waste a CR7 on routes to N.D. when its the primary a/c used for service to major cities from the PDX hub. Not to mention their timer being on for the end of the CR7's QX flying days. 
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