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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 31  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13343 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD - Part XXXI

Here we go again! Welcome to the 31st installment on the Central American aviation series and this time the thread has been dedicated to the civil aviation in Guatemala.
La Aurora International airport [MGGT/GUA] is featuring a fresh environment to the travelers consisting in the new areas dedicated to civil aviation through the main gateway in Guatemala.




Direct international operations out of GUA:
TACA: San Salvador, Mexico City, Los Angeles, Chicago O’Hare, Miami, San Jose
TACA REGIONAL: Flores, Cancun, Tegucigalpa, San Salvador
COPA: Managua, Panama City, San Jose
IBERIA: Madrid, Panama City [no traffic rights]
MEXICANA: Mexico City, Cancun [Mexicana Link]
DELTA: Los Angeles, Atlanta
CONTINENTAL: Houston, Newark
AMERICAN: Miami, Dallas/Ft. Worth

Some highlights related to the same topic:
MGTK/FRS Flores is the main domestic route from GUA and served by both mainline jet operations and regional planes.
TACA REGIONAL flies GUA-TGU-SAL and GUA-FRS-CUN with ATR-42 all the way.
I ignore about the current status concerning to the flights linking [Belize - Guatemala] by means of regional planes.
GUA has gradually decreased their international operations since NK LAX-GUA, UA LAX-GUA, TA SAL-GUA-IAD, TACA REGIONAL GUA-SAP, DL GUA-JFK, AM MEX-GUA and US CLT-GUA among others have recently disappeared there.

So, take your Gallo and let’s start it once again. Cheers !  

[Edited 2010-02-26 18:52:05]


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4762 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 13303 times:

Awesome thread opener!    To think I haven't got a chance to check out the new airport...   

Some news on the TA-AV front:

Starting March, all Distancia Horizonte members will receive an AviancaPlus card matching their current status; therefore being able to enjoy upgrades, VIP lounge access, and other such benefits when flying with AV. Also, segments flown with AV will count towards achieving the next Horizonte level. The same benefits will apply to AV customers flying with TA.

Despite the integration, the two frequent flier programs will remain separate; though further benefits are in the works for FF's on both sides...

Cheers! (the first round of Gallos is on me  )



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13266 times:

Thanks to Viaggiare for sending the banner !

The following are the weekly operations on AA for the next US summer break and dated from June 09th till August 30th:

AA DFW-BZE........7x 738
AA DFW-GUA........7x 738
AA DFW-LIR..........2x 738
AA DFW-PTY.........3x 738
AA DFW-SJO.........7x 757 + 1x 738
AA DFW-SAL.........5x 738
AA LAX-SAL...........7x 757
AA JFK-SJO............5x 757
AA MIA-BZE............14x 738
AA MIA-GUA...........21x 738
AA MIA-LIR.............7x 738
AA MIA-MGA...........7x 738 + 7x 767
AA MIA-PTY............7x 757 + 14x 738
AA MIA-SJO............7x 738 + 21x 757
AA MIA-SAP............14x 738
AA MIA-SAL............14x 738
AA MIA-TGU............7x 757



Highlights:

Frequencies on AA MIA-SAP are larger than AA MIA-TGU.

The sole wide-body will be the daily AA MIA-MGA with 767.

AA DFW-SAL will be resumed on June 10th.

AA JFK-SJO starts on April 06th.

AA FLL-SJO was replaced for the fourth daily AA MIA-SJO on February 10th.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13254 times:

A Cessna 206 with a RR engine crashed yesterday evening on approach to SPR. It hit a house with its wheels and flipped. Conditions were good so it is either pilot error or eqp problems.

On board and flying the aircraft..probably the richest man in Belize (Barry Bowen) owner of the Coca Cola franchise, beer compnay, bottle water company, juice company, shrimp farmer, cattle rancher, hotelier among many other thing. He died instantly along with his 4 other pax (2 adults + 2 children).

This was his third crash in 40 years of flying.

RIP Barry.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

Regional weekly frequencies on Delta Air Lines for summer 2010:


DL ATL-BZE..........2x M88 + 5x CR9
DL ATL-GUA.........7x 757
DL ATL-LIR...........7x 757 + 2x 738
DL ATL-MGA.........7x 73W
DL ATL-PTY..........7x 757
DL ATL-RTB..........2x M88 + 1x CR9
DL ATL-SJO..........14x 757
DL ATL-SAP...........7x 738
DL ATL-SAL...........7x 757
DL ATL-TGU..........7x 73W

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13213 times:

Wow.... would love to see the new Aurora terminal... in the picture it looks kind of like SJO. Finally they have built the new terminal after so many years !!

I have three questions.
1)I'm flying back tomorrow to GVA and flying SJO-ATL-AMS-GVA.
2)Is the afternoon flight really a 767-400 or is it the 767-300 ?

3) Is the VIP lounge open for all business class travellers or just for selected airlines ?

As soon as I have time, i will make a fill trip report of this flight,

Regards     

BM

[Edited 2010-02-27 11:27:23]


A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 4):
DL ATL-BZE..........2x M88 + 5x CR9

NIce bump in the service level from 5Xweekly last summer. The move of the NW feed from CO to DL is definitely having an impact on DL loads....



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13137 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
1)I'm flying back tomorrow to GVA and flying SJO-ATL-AMS-GVA.
2)Is the afternoon flight really a 767-400 or is it the 767-300 ?

DL 38 [ATL-AMS] will launch the 767 based on the SkyTeam downloadable timetable.
The source doesn't release further information about such equipment.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
NIce bump in the service level from 5Xweekly last summer

DL ATL-BZE mainline will be available Saturdays and Sundays.
For the rest of the week, the CR9 would be operated by Pinnacle on behalf of Delta Air Lines.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
DL ATL-BZE mainline will be available Saturdays and Sundays.
For the rest of the week, the CR9 would be operated by Pinnacle on behalf of Delta Air Lines.

Still a bump from last year.


On another note...due to ever increasing LFs...TA is once again talking about putting in a second Flight SAL-BZE. They will either use a ATR or turn the current E190 for another freq.. This will be to provide BZE originating pax with better access to S. American routes. So you would in theory have 2 round trips daily.

Makes sense.

TA yields on BZE-SAL are excellent.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

jetBlue has demonstrated progress in Costa Rica upgrading the daily B6 SJO-MCO to 320 from E90.




.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
turn the current E190 for another freq..

It would be a big solution for the idle plane which is grounded almost eight hours at BZE tarmac.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12904 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
DL 38 [ATL-AMS] will launch the 767 based on the SkyTeam downloadable timetable.
The source doesn't release further information about such equipment.

I was referring to the SJO-ATL leg which ended up being operated by the 767-300ER.
I did the ATL-AMS leg with an A330-200 of KLM. Love that aircraft!!!!

Regards BM    



A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12901 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
TACA REGIONAL flies GUA-FRS-CUN with ATR-42 all the way

do you know how that segment (FRS-CUN) is doing or load factor??? are the passengers mostly foreign tourists???


User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):

Missed NK's flight

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 11):
do you know how that segment (FRS-CUN) is doing or load factor??? are the passengers mostly foreign tourists???

On the load factor for 2009 according to the Mexican SCT
Aviateca - JAN 9,244 FEB 7,785 MAR 1,412 APR 1,416 MAY 288 JUN 620 JUL 919 AUG 1,121 SEP 602 OCT 757 NOV 1,295 DEC 1,536 TOTAL 26,995

As for passengers, they are mostly foreign, however I'm expecting the loads to diminish due to the favoring of the SAL-CUN flight



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1189 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12826 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 12):
Missed NK's flight

And the Cubana

Quoting aer (Reply 12):
As for passengers, they are mostly foreign, however I'm expecting the loads to diminish due to the favoring of the SAL-CUN flight

There is a Lot of Traffic between CUN and FRS lot of tourist utilize this route then by bus they go to Rio Dulce, Livingston, Quirigua, Antigua Guatemala, Copan, etc

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12814 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 13):
There is a Lot of Traffic between CUN and FRS lot of tourist utilize this route then by bus they go to Rio Dulce, Livingston, Quirigua, Antigua Guatemala, Copan, etc

Never really got why TAG doesn't start flights from FRS to PBR, AAZ or RER. An Embraer 110 should be great for those flights and great for the cruise passengers.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 12):
Missed NK's flight

Correct! NK FLL-GUA is 4x weekly with 319 for the meantime.
It goes to 6x weekly for summer.




.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 13):

And the Cubana

Is it still operating at GUA ?
The website amadeus.net doesn't report any movement on that.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1189 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
Is it still operating at GUA ?
The website amadeus.net doesn't report any movement on that.

You are correct, I didn't notice they stop serving GUA.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Speaking about Cubana de Aviacion in the isthmus, the airline has definitively suspended their flights to Guatemala, Panama and Costa Rica by means of their own aircrafts.
Both LR SJO-HAV and CM PTY-HAV bear the CU code for the time being.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12694 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 14):
Never really got why TAG doesn't start flights from FRS to PBR, AAZ or RER. An Embraer 110 should be great for those flights and great for the cruise passengers.

Cruise pax? Does this market really exist? TAG is putting about 50 pax per month on its codeshare with PM on FRS-BZE



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12656 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):

Well I ment the cruise pax that arrive at Puerto Barrios or at San Jose, then again I wasn't thinking about the time constraints.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
TAG is putting about 50 pax per month on its codeshare with PM on FRS-BZE

So not that well then?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4516 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12618 times:

TA SJO-PTY-MDE will commence on March 17th as an extension for the daily segment named LR SJO-PTY. The route is operated by LACSA on behalf of GRUPO TACA, of course.
The new service in Medellin complements TA MDE-UIO-LIM 7x weekly.

Proposed schedule:

LR 693........SJO 10:23........PTY 12:38..........Mo, We, Fr
LR 693........PTY 13:00........MDE 14:15.........Mo, We, Fr

LR 692........MDE 14:50.......PTY 16:05..........Mo, We, Fr
LR 692........PTY 16:36........SJO 16:51..........Mo, We, Fr

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12592 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
AA JFK-SJO starts on April 06th.

That's interesting. I guess my thought here is, DL tried the same flight, and I guess they came to the conclusion that it didn't work for them. Why does AA believe they can make it work?


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3500 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Does anyone know of the development status of the new airport at La Union in Guatemala?


"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12568 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 12):
As for passengers, they are mostly foreign, however I'm expecting the loads to diminish due to the favoring of the SAL-CUN flight

thanks Aer, good to see more flights within the region

So there are direct flights from CUN to PTY, SAL, SJO, and GUA.... any others in the works or being talked about??


saludos


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 19):

So not that well then?

Well it is extra revenue for each airline that would have gone perhaps TA way...so I guess in that regard it works.
It allow TAG to offer BZE and PM GUA as destinations without eqp committments.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
25 SJOtoLIR : DL SJO-JFK 5x weekly with 757 failed in 2008 when the jet-fuel skyrocketed to exorbitant prices. Same with DL JFK-GUA, DL JFK-PTY and DL JFK-LIR, spe
26 jimbobjoe : Oh yes. I forgot about that. Excellent analysis. Are those routes currently being flown?
27 SJOtoLIR : These routes are not available year-round, but both are currently in service. US PHL-SJO 1x weekly with 319 is active on Saturdays and US PHX-SJO 7x
28 yellowtail : They do the same here on the CLT-BZE route....and one has to wonder....what their thinking is...when the ran it daily year round some years ago, thei
29 belizexp : Now if only DL would restart LAX service seasonal or back to Sat only this time maybe try a A319. IMO this was DL best move in the BZE market just ba
30 SJOtoLIR : If I remember correctly, both DL LAX-MGA and DL LAX-LIR were still active three years ago on a weekly basis as well. Regards.
31 jimbobjoe : So what do people here think of the likelyhood of CO CLE-SJO, say, on a 1x weekly basis?
32 LipeGIG : Already posted on the Brazilian Thread, now here, the third PTY-GRU: Requested by CM to Brazilian ANAC: CM725 B73G 1234567 PTY 2000 GRU 0400 (+1) CM72
33 SJOtoLIR : I would spare my opinion using the following analogy: When US PHX-SJO, B6 MCO-SJO and F9 DEN-SJO started in the past, I was a little bit skeptical in
34 yellowtail : I agree. BTW...can any of you guys give me the current schedule of flights into LCE, RTB and SAP.
35 Post contains images yellowtail : Also, if anyone knows where I can find the figures on total passenger movements at LCE, RTB and SAP, or if anyone knows it off hand, I would be most a
36 Post contains images RootsAir : Hi folks, a little question given the fact I had been absent a while from this forum. What is the current situation of Aeropostal Alas de Centroaméri
37 Post contains images CRAviation : Dead, gone, bye bye.
38 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The Honduran aviation authorities unfortunately do not release public statistics on the web by now. We can only speak about the traffic moving from/t
39 yellowtail : Gracias my friend.
40 viaggiare : They have figured out DL is able to successfully identify profitable routes, but lacks the perseverance and marketing prowess to make them work. So A
41 SJOtoLIR : Correct. I rarely go through this way and one rainy afternoon in August 2009, some parts of that plane might be located beside the paved road as debr
42 viaggiare : I would opt for the inside scoop on what's Nature Air doing. Apparently there was some big announcement forthcoming, was there not?
43 yellowtail : We'll that is what the CEO said. There was supposed to be some tie up / merger with Nature Air and another carrier...in fact some of the small Centra
44 viaggiare : I am curious as to whether fresh foreign capital —along with management and operational expertise— is involved. Oh let's hope not. Their formula
45 Post contains links viaggiare : — From this morning's edition of local daily La Nación... Limitaciones de aeropuerto frenan inversión de TACA aquí Kriete did not disclose the de
46 yellowtail : Kreite is bellyaching again.....jsut get on with running your airline dude! the last stage of the discussion that I heard was that The capital should
47 viaggiare : Not surprised in that Kriete seems to lose plenty of sleep over Copa. I mean let's face it, there's been some serious ass-whooping going on over the
48 aer : Same thought here, however I really wasn't aware that TA/LR had that many constraints in SJO.
49 juanchito : GUA has 18 gates that they can use for a Hub, I know SAL another Taca Hub and it's really near, if they don't use it some other airline could come an
50 aer : Please someone do!!! Like I told a friend, 'Tenemos un aeropuerto que nos queda bastante flojo'
51 SJOtoLIR : Both GUA and SAL are larger than SJO in terms of available gates by now. . The possible TACA REGIONAL SAL-LIR might work from the beginning in Liberi
52 viaggiare : Copa already has, what, five or six daily nonstops into SJO (cartel turf) from its "powerful" Tocumen hub? So for them to also make off with a chunk
53 yellowtail : Viaggare...you wanna give Kriete a heart attack? All CM has to do is announce a "hub" in GUA.....effectively boxing in TA's biggest hubs.... That ough
54 viaggiare : Call me a sadist, but I would prefer a three-punch knockout in the form of consecutive, ominous headlines delivered by his top aides... — Copa anno
55 mt99 : You people take some stuff WAY to seriously...
56 viaggiare : Quite the contrary, just poking some fun at CentAm's highest-paid crybaby. Sense of humor remains alive and well.[Edited 2010-03-14 15:42:15]
57 Post contains images mt99 : "El que no chilla.. no mama" If you say its funny...carry on..
58 viaggiare : I take it you're not amused, and we do in fact possess very little in the way of comedic talent. But you gotta admit this dude Kriete having a fit ov
59 Post contains links mt99 : Business as usual my friend... Execs belly ache ALL the time on all the "injustices" airports commit towards them. Here is another "funny" article ab
60 viaggiare : Last I heard he reports directly to Efromovich.
61 mt99 : So that makes it.. more funny or less funny? I guess i am just not in-tune with Costa Rican humor...
62 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Well, maybe you should get in tune then. After all, we seem to be the happiest people around.
63 mt99 : Of course you are.. you find things "funny" that the rest of the world accepts as day-to-day events.. Aah to laugh at life...Good for you! Where does
64 aer : Yeah that would really give him the need for a triple bypass or so. hahahaha by belly ache would that mean he's El Salvador's largest Tums consumer?
65 Post contains links viaggiare : Here's some more bad news for Mr. Kriete: US$75 million to expand PTY This money will be used to build the so-called Muelle Norte (northern pier) whic
66 jimbobjoe : Apologies if this has been brought up before...but why is SJO so small?
67 mt99 : Sounds like horrible news for Costa Rican aviation. Smallest airport syndrome?
68 yellowtail : And manufacturers or governments......Like that EK guy taking Airbus to task last week. It is a free world after all ..even in SAL or DXB I actually
69 Post contains links viaggiare : It's not just the airport (which opened for business back in 1955) but physical infrastructure in general (road network, port facilites, etc.) that i
70 Post contains images mt99 : Is that what comforts you ?
71 Post contains images viaggiare : Thought you had overcome the urge to slip odd bits of deviant innuendo. [Edited 2010-03-15 11:06:07]
72 mt99 : What happened to the Costa Rican sense of humor?
73 viaggiare : In other news, CM passenger traffic (revenue passenger miles) for the month of FEBRUARY increased 11.7% (542.4) while capacity (available seat miles)
74 jimbobjoe : That's a pretty good distance away. Is that really the closest location with a healthy amount of flat land? Google maps implies to me that there is u
75 viaggiare : The recently-inaugurated highway (27) from San José to the central Pacific port town of Caldera cuts the drive time to Orotina (located roughly half
76 viaggiare : I forgot to mention there is a modest tract of usable land adjacent (south of) to the runway. As per the airport's master plan, this area would eventu
77 SJOtoLIR : I personally think that the utilization of two Central American hubs is improper for GRUPO TACA, in terms of the best utilization of their assets. SAL
78 aer : I do sometimes think that over the years, the two hub idea in Central America has become a little redundant, I do wonder if it will keep working on t
79 CM767 : Add to to that mix another hub in BOG, and some hard decisions ahead for TA / AV.
80 viaggiare : Since you are familiar with the real estate adjacent to the south side of the airport —which as you've correctly stated has been subject to all sor
81 SJOtoLIR : It's an interesting reasoning and we can extract different points here. The area related to the approach of planes by either runway 07 and 25 experie
82 Summa767 : Avianca applies to operate BOG-SAL-YYZ and BOG-SAL-YUL Avianca has requested before the Colombian aviation agency rights to operate to Montreal and To
83 Post contains images aer : You see, now it makes sense for CM to operate PTY-GUA-YYZ!! Interesting, but why not fly BOG-GUA? GUA doesn't need another PTY flight CM has us cover
84 SJOtoLIR : Wow. Interesting news on AV! We have previously commented here about the possibility of non-stop flights linking [BOG-SAL] and the tag-on to Canada w
85 yellowtail : I have been informed that TACA is trimming service to Belize from daily to 5X weekly. Looks like the Tue / Thurs flights are being cut. It is strange
86 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-PAP 2x weekly did resume their services on March 16th. . I'm starting to think that the split of the old TA SAL-BZE-IAH didn't represent good n
87 yellowtail : Wasn't good news for IAH either...I hear the LFs are horrid. Yet L/Fs are good. Fares are high. I guess that 7hr layover has to be killing yields. We
88 SJOtoLIR : This point of view can be expanded from a new perspective: The possible development of additional buildings placed in the south side of the airport d
89 yellowtail : Looks like TA/AV will announce their Alliance intentions by the end of April. My bet is still Sky team.
90 SJOtoLIR : Sorry, but I didn't understand your point of view. Star Alliance is the only feasible choice for TA and AV doesn't care this commercial relationship
91 Post contains links yellowtail : Why is Skyteam not feasible. It would actually be a nice fit. AV/TA will go into the same Alliance Did you see this thread? Avianca / Taca Close To A
92 Post contains images carmenlu15 : My money is on Star, what with the codeshares with UA and LH... then again, I tend to see thing from the parrot's point of view
93 SJOtoLIR : TACA is code-sharing with US Airways as well, being another full member of Star Alliance. Regards.
94 yellowtail : These code-shares an be torn up with little notice.
95 Post contains images kiwiandrew : True , but the same argument could be made about the AV/DL codeshares .
96 bjorn14 : So with SJO and PTY being fortress hubs what should be the next CA hub?
97 juanchito : SAL has a nice HUB for TA maybe GUA is the only one of the rest airports that has the infrastructure to support a HUB Juanchito
98 laca773 : Will they operate these flights with 319s? It would seem this would be the best option, considering the range capabilities of the 319 over the 320 as
99 yellowtail : agree 100%. And CM is a perfect fit for *A. They can still keep the KL PTY codeshare.
100 Post contains links and images MGASJO : FYI, La Costeña (Nicaragua's only regional airline) is expecting delivery of its first ATR42 this coming friday, this ATR will replace the old and be
101 juanchito : Nice, good for La Costeña, they should try international flights with the ATR Juanchito
102 aer : Anyone know what is La Costeña's actual role with TA Regional? To a certain point they seem like the ugly duckling of the bunch. I don't count Region
103 SJOtoLIR : I don't know how may TA benefit to SkyTeam. Both DL and AM are the potential partners for TA and they don't have any commercial ties between themselv
104 fascm170 : It looks Star Alliance all over. TA will benefit from TAM in GRU/GIG, code shares with UA/US/LH from strategic points in the USA and Europe. The fact
105 SJOtoLIR : You said it correctly. The commercial relationship CO-CM does not mean the automatic COPA's ticket for Star Alliance. Regards.
106 Fyano773 : Tough this has been posted before, as a remainder, today AM starts MEX-SJO: With this new flight, links between Costa Rica and Mexico will strenghten
107 OP3000 : True. But DL has been unable to make a lot of things from JFK and LAX work that had a even more potential - i.e. JFK-EZE, JFK-POS and much of their p
108 bjorn14 : Speaking of La Costeña, I was wondering if PUZ and/or RNI can sport a 20-30% rise in tourism. Having never been I don't know. Thanks.
109 laca773 : No. DL's service issues from LAX doesn't have to do with UA & AA. These routes did very well for WA at the time they flew them. The problem is DL
110 laca773 : Does anyone know how CO is doing on their LAX-SAL flight? Are there any thoughts about CO adding additional service to Central America now that they a
111 OP3000 : I wasn't referring so much to MEX or GDL which have huge volume with strong yields, but to the secondary markets in Mexico they were flying ex-LAX un
112 SJOtoLIR : As far as I know, CO LAX-SAL 3x weekly did operate in the summer of 2009, but it's no longer in service. I'm too busy to check it now... . UA left th
113 iadbudd : It is a shame that DL is dropping ATL-GUA back to a 757 on May 3rd. They used a 767-300 since late last fall and kept that widebody on the route after
114 fascm170 : UA staff in SAL/GUA/SJO was about 50 employees in each location at its heyday. TA was still flying widebodies to LAX from SAL (with the stop in GUA)
115 OP3000 : What years approximately was this? Ever since UA gave up on MIA in the late 90s, they lost the potential for economies of scale for a lot their bases
116 juanchito : Iberia use it 5 weekly Juanchito
117 fascm170 : 1994-1998. I was working for UA in CenAm at the time, so the numbers are pretty accurate.
118 OP3000 : Thanks. What was UA's biggest market in terms of passengers in CentAm - SJO?
119 Post contains images MGASJO : Here are some pictures. Taken the day it arrived to MGA. It would still be a couple of days before it starts operating. Detalle de la cola a la taca
120 fascm170 : During my time with UA, I will say all three were pretty even. SJO was tagged to GUA and SAL at one point of another, so, the SJO/LAX market was alwa
121 OP3000 : Thanks for the breakdown. I had no idea they operated so many tags, even through MEX. IMO that model was probably a few years outdated, particularly
122 laca773 : I feel DL didn't give these Awesome synopsis and breakdown of everything, fascm170. I learned something new tonight. Thanks man.
123 SJOtoLIR : Thank you for your comprehensive post, Fascm. If I recall correctly, UA SJO-MEX-ORD or UA SJO-ORD was also in service for a little while back. The Co
124 Post contains links viaggiare : According to local daily La Nación, Juan Santamaría International Airport will soon have an observation deck "for visitors to enjoy the takeoff and
125 laca773 : Does anyone have any full terminal overviews of the new GUA terminal/concourse as well as SJO to post on here? I'm very interested to see what both lo
126 Post contains links viaggiare : Not quite what you have in mind, but here's a slide show (requires Flash) with images of all the construction work underway at the new building, adja
127 yellowtail : DIdn't they offer a IAD-GUA-SJO as well....with traffic rights....I flew GUA-SJO on UA about 10 years ago...paid $99RT
128 laca773 : Thanks for the link, viaggiare. I apreciate it. I hope we'll see some terminal overview fotos here on a.net in the near future.
129 LipeGIG : The new G3 development. They requested to ANAC rights to fly MAO-SXM 2x weekly. Flight will originate in Sao Paulo and allow quick connections from Br
130 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines would introduce the fifth-daily [Panama City-Havana] service: CM 218..........PTY 09:31.............HAV 13:06...........Daily...........
131 laca773 : Thanks for the information, SJOtoLIR. I apreciate it. I guess the route didn't do well for CO. Too bad. Maybe we'll see them give it another shot now
132 viaggiare : Great pictures! I'm thinking she would look funky in some eco-tropical livery like that used by Nature Air. Just like that humble balcony in the old
133 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Sounds awesome! Now if they would do something similar in GUA...
134 aer : Yeah I really do miss being able to go to GUA's fourth floor and being able to watch the runway... good times.
135 SJOtoLIR : ...and they were located in two different levels: on the second floor besides the restaurant and the other was placed on the third level, if I rememb
136 yellowtail : And go back to the old "grill free" viewing area in BZE....
137 OP3000 : AV has applied for several Colombia-PTY-Centam flights, which would create a scissor hub at PTY: - BOG - PTY - GUA: 1 daily, 319 - BOG - PTY - TGU: 1
138 yellowtail : I think TGU is going to struggle.....CM is already struggling on it badly with a much bigger draw. SAP might have been better....maybe even MEX or CU
139 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : And here's one photo coming from the "waving gallery" as the people in Belize used to call to that place located on the upper level of the airport te
140 netjetsintl : I'd love to see Avianca at Cancun, I think its time...
141 yellowtail : Feel like I BBQ grill with this mesh required by our security friends in the USA Hell...even BZE would do better than TGU from PTY.
142 yellowtail : Just is case you all do not see the other thread... With the AV scissor hub PTY announcement...a crazy thought crossed my mind.... What if AV was in f
143 viaggiare : I see your point, but how broadly would KLM´s alliance obligations to a SkyTeam newcomer affect its preexisting bilateral relationship with non-memb
144 yellowtail : KL is having it so good at PTY...that I suspect they will not want to be left hanging if CM goes to Star..which might mean LH starting PTY. the timing
145 SJOtoLIR : AF BOG-CDG does operate on a daily basis with 343. . The current commercial relationship [KL-CM] may co-exist in the future disregarding if CM would
146 Post contains links viaggiare : It appears that a really big bird will come over to SJO later this month (26/04) to pick up a couple of sewage treatment package plants for the U.S. M
147 yellowtail : Wow....get pics please!
148 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Will make every effort to be out there! In the meantime, check these out... And in response to some inaccuracies posted elsewhere, here's an update w
149 viaggiare : That part should read changes pursuant to the Colombia-Costa Rica bilateral.
150 juanchito : Lucky Ticos, we will be waiting for the pictures. Let's see how SJO can handle it. Juanchito
151 viaggiare : She does have 25m of additional wingspan (88.4m) compared to the A346 (63.5m) so we'll see how that goes.
152 aer : Earlier today I had a pick up at GUA (5:30 :s) and I saw an ATR that resembled MW and started wondering about them. Are they still flying regional? I
153 yellowtail : Yes they are but they are down to one aircraft (which wil lbe replaced by a 1900D in July I believe) ..right now that aircraft does GUA-BZE-CUN-BZE-S
154 yellowtail : Though thinking about it....(sorry I couldn't edit my post)..if that MW flight is getting in GUA at about 18:00...it could do a turn late evening to S
155 aer : I went to their web page and they are promoting a GUA-SAP flight... well now they just have to put together their sales dept. and their management to
156 yellowtail : That is like asking for a miracle.
157 SJOtoLIR : Weren´t these stations the international points utilized for the airline last year ? If I remember correctly, CUN, SAP, GUA were served out of BZE a
158 Post contains links viaggiare : Aeroméxico CEO quoted by Agence France-Presse as saying the airline is considering operations to Panamá, on top of new flights to Cuba and Colombia
159 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MEX bears the AM code for the time being. I ignore if the restrictions of the bilateral treaty between [Panama-Mexico] may boost new dedicated
160 Post contains links viaggiare : I was trying out La Nación's recently improved archive search capabilities —which now go back sixty-four years— and stumbled upon this jewel insi
161 Post contains links laca773 : There's a recently started thread in regards to AV-TA placing a joint regional jet aircraft order in addition to AV transfering two A332s to TA to beg
162 CM767 : CM would do nothing. There is a lot of fish to fry here in America using narrow bodies, before CM jumps to long haul routes across the pond.
163 yellowtail : They are now using one aircaft instead of three. And before it was a hub situation where all teh aircraft left BZE to the outstations....now it is a
164 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Wow, how did you find this jewel, Viaggiare ? During the early 80s, those 722s were nicknamed as Zurqui [N1279E], Bri-Bri [N1280E] and Kais Garza Bla
165 aer : So what would it be, to prove that they can run a mismanaged airline? lol Speaking of Belizean airlines, how is Tropic Air doing?
166 jetsetter629 : Ah I miss Belikin Beer!
167 laca773 : I was thinking the same thing. It would benefit TA to fly into FRA to benefit their Star Alliance partners and customers with the large and convient
168 Post contains images yellowtail : Because the owner has such deep pockets, the airline is jsut a hobby for him. he doesn't need to make money. PM is doing fine....just added BMP to it
169 jimbobjoe : Excellent. Loved the article.
170 yellowtail : Looks like HAV is turning into one of CMs fortresses.
171 SJOtoLIR : Speaking about the extinct CO LAX-SAL 3x weekly, the numbers coming from the US DoT demonstrates by itself the poor performance in such route. This ro
172 2travel2know2 : True. However, CM could do good in SCU and maybe VRA (exclusive leisure route, free business-passenger seats to/from HAV).
173 Post contains images yellowtail : 2Travel2know JUNIOR is in the house Welcome back!
174 Post contains links viaggiare : Turns out it was the An-124 (click for images) that showed up at SJO yesterday, and not the widely anticipated An-225. Here's a video of her quick vis
175 juanchito : Thanks Viaggiare for the links love the video and take off spectacular almost all the runway was used. Juanchito
176 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Just a sampling of some excellent material kindly made available to us by seasoned photographer Fabricio Jiménez: Fabricio's extensive online galler
177 AM744 : Let's hope they can launch and keep that route. What happened to the SAP flights? Apparently they have been axed. I thought at 6x they were doing ok.
178 yellowtail : Tropic Air (PM) has filed for authorization to commence 4Xweekly BZE-RTB and BZE-SAP using G1000 equipped Carvans. They would like to start service "w
179 SJOtoLIR : Did you mean a comparison between Tropic Air and Maya Airways ? Regards.
180 Post contains links and images viaggiare : And here is the full An-124 in SJO gallery (65 pictures) courtesy of photographer Fabricio Jiménez.
181 yellowtail : Yes. If anybody can make it work PM can. They have made FRS work...MW couldn't. They are making GUA work (with the codeshare) ...MW couldn't. And it
182 Post contains links viaggiare : Local daily La Nación reports phase two of SJO modernization now at 82% completion: twelve new immigration control stations, for a total of 28 —hop
183 2travel2know2 : Is COOPESA maintenance moving - or strongly suggested to move - to LIR?
184 Post contains links viaggiare : That's where I think COOPESA should go. Plenty of space out there and close proximity to a proposed aerospace industrial cluster around the Ad Astra
185 aer : Apparently TA heard MW's wish to start GUA-SAP and will start the same route with an ATR in May.
186 yellowtail : MWs flight has already started. Aircraft is routed SAP-GUA-BZE-CUN-BZE-SAP-BZE-GUA-SAP. Loads are still abysmal on all but GUA-BZE and BZE-GUA segmen
187 aer : Hey guys, with all the CO/UA merger talking, no one has commented on the implications for CM and TA (or at least I haven't found anything on it in the
188 CM767 : I was wondering the same, but is way to early to know what would happen, on monday we will know for sure if the merger goes ahead and apparently is a
189 2travel2know2 : If the UA/CO merger deal becomes a reality, pretty sure CM would preffer to change its current PTY-IAD-PTY from evening northbound/early morning south
190 aer : But in this line, would CM look for independence with it's FF program, or would CM change in favor of Mileage Plus with the closure of OnePass? I ask
191 CM767 : I do not believe that CM would go solo, with the new AV/TA around the corner, CM would need all the benefits that it had on the past from the allianc
192 fascm170 : Landscape in Central America won't change much. UA service is pretty much non existent (just LIR on saturdays). UA relies on code shares with TA and
193 aer : Thanks that clears many of my questions. Well don't forget that CO and CM have a much closer relationship than UA/TA. So with the merger CM and P5 ac
194 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : AM MEX-SAP 6x weekly with CRJ is still active and operated by AeroMexico Connect on behalf of AeroMexico mainline as shown: AM 674............MEX 22:
195 LJ : One of the main reasons why CM decided not to enter Skyteam when CO left was that they have the same FF program as CO. If Onepass has to be merged in
196 SJOtoLIR : China Airlines from May 01st is placing its “CI” code on DELTA’s Los Angeles - Guatemala City route. This is the Taiwanese carrier’s first cod
197 yellowtail : Very Logical. Trust me ..if DL still offered LAX-BZE.....CI would code share on that too.
198 Post contains links and images juanchito : Guys I have for you a photo from the past You could see a Aviateca Bac-1-11 a Pan am 747 and 2 707 plus Iberia DC-10 and our Air Force lots of Arava,
199 aer : Great picture!! Amazing how GUA has changed. Now if they would only turn on the air conditioning it would be great!!
200 viaggiare : Was GUA some sort of hub or focus city for Pan Am at the time? I recall SJO-MIA flights on PA with a GUA stopover. Lots of military hardware on stand
201 juanchito : Yes they had a focus city in GUA from diferente USA cities to GUA then to Central American connections. Juanchito
202 SCL767 : During Winter 1977, PA operated these flights via GUA: IAH-MEX-GUA-MGA 2x weekly B707 IAH-MEX-GUA-MGA-PTY 5x weekly B707 LAX-GUA-CCS-EZE-MVD-EZE-PTY-S
203 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Las papayas voladoras! Awesome pic, thanks for sharing
204 Post contains images yellowtail : Yeah, they were still dreaming on invading BZE at that time!
205 juanchito : The Invation was planned on January 4 1976, but a 7.6 Earthquake hit Guatemala, so they abort the invation. How do I know this, my dad was already on
206 Post contains links viaggiare : Indeed that was during the rule of General Laugerud who had quite a fixation with that piece of real estate.
207 viaggiare : Amazing. So was the invasion set to begin the very same day the earthquake struck? Had any troops mobilized to the border yet? My guess is GUA would'
208 aer : Speaking of FRS, I heard that FRS-CUN had been axed, any truth in that?
209 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I think so. The website flightstats.com doesn't report any movement in that segment. . Well, the thread has surpassed again the 200th mark and I gues
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