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HNL And The Tsunami  
User currently offlinerailmatt From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 212 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17101 times:

The tsunami is supposed to arrive the Hawaiian islands around 11:20 HST. I see AA's DFW-HNL services are showing on time right now.

Is the HNL airfield high enough that there isn't a problem?

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8223 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17097 times:

Quoting railmatt (Thread starter):
Is the HNL airfield high enough that there isn't a problem?

No, the HNL airport is a designated tsunami evacuation zone. The seabed of Mamala Bay just south of the airport is a fairly wide shelf and tsunamis have been known to wrap around the islands in the past.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17045 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 1):
No, the HNL airport is a designated tsunami evacuation zone. The seabed of Mamala Bay just south of the airport is a fairly wide shelf and tsunamis have been known to wrap around the islands in the past.

Additionally, the reef runway (8R) obviously faces out to the SW; if a tsunami were to arrive, I'm assuming it'd come from the SE, meaning the leeward side of the island might be shielded somewhat. If a tsunami were to hit, 8R would probably absorb the hit for the rest of the field, including 8L.

Frankly, I'd be more concerned for French Polynesia, the Marshall Islands, etc.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16991 times:

any updates???

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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16829 times:

Yes, the wave is expected to arrive in the Islands at 11:19am; civil defense authorities are going to sound evacuation sirens at 6am HST. Here's a map of evacuation zones on Oahu (HNL straddles zones 18 and 19):

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/as...lrpj4FDTlsgr68E9Dh9FB3kTXoW1mNU%3D

No word on how this will affect HNL operations but from memory, most international and mainland arrivals and departures occur in the early morning, late afternoon and late evening. I'd assuming the respective airlines will have sufficient time to adjust based on any anticipated or actual interruptions in service.


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User currently offlinegeardown From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16631 times:

Hilo airport will close at 6am Hawaii time and all other airports remained open at this time according to KHON TV.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16368 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
I'm assuming it'd come from the SE, meaning the leeward side of the island

If my geography is correct this would be Southwest side of Oahu in the Barbers Point region I also hear a T warning was put in place for American Samoa which is five air hours south of HNL



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User currently offlineHaYnFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16266 times:

Latest is that if there indeed is a tsunami, wave heights will be no more than about 1.5 feet on Oahu and three feet on the Big Island of Hawaii. Let's hope people don't panic and the news services don't blow this way out of proportion.

I'm about 100 yards from the ocean just past Barber's Point at Ko Olina. I'm on the 15th floor so I'm good.

A similar incident in 1960 caused wave heights in Hilo Bay of almost 35 feet while most other places saw a max of "only" 17 feet. So if there is any cause for concern, it would be for the folks in Hilo. Luckily, they learned from that 1960 tsunami and did not rebuild the waterfront.

The state is well prepared so I'm hoping for the best.

Deepest sympathies to all those who perished in Chile.

[Edited 2010-02-27 09:25:11]


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User currently offlinerolypolyman From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15430 times:

It will be worth monitoring FlightAware to see if any airlines, corporate operators, or GA owners send up aircraft into holding patterns to protect them. I'd certainly do this if I ran an airline to protect those millions of dollars of assets, just in case, but I guess it wouldn't come cheap in regard to fuel, crew scheduling, etc.

User currently offlinetguman From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15002 times:

The flight from Victoria, BC (YYJ) to Honolulu is being delayed till at least noon.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14798 times:

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 8):
It will be worth monitoring FlightAware to see if any airlines, corporate operators, or GA owners send up aircraft into holding patterns to protect them. I'd certainly do this if I ran an airline to protect those millions of dollars of assets, just in case, but I guess it wouldn't come cheap in regard to fuel, crew scheduling, etc.

Well it looks like lots of morning originators out of the West Coast are being delayed several hours - obviously so the airlines can monitor the situation there and hold back flights if something happens. As for the longer flights, it looks like AA, United, etc. are generally letting those go close to on-time. If this thing does hit Hawaii around 1120 local as predicted, that would give the airlines more than enough time to turn those planes around and send them back to LAX if need be.

God forbid.

I'm pulling for Hawaii - really hoping this thing stays at just a few-foot surge as some are predicting - it would be devastating if such an insanely wonderful place got hit hard.


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14752 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
No word on how this will affect HNL operations but from memory, most international and mainland arrivals and departures occur in the early morning, late afternoon and late evening. I'd assuming the respective airlines will have sufficient time to adjust based on any anticipated or actual interruptions in service

90% of Hawaiian Airlines westcoast flights arrive between 1030 and noon.

Looking at flight tracker right now - all are still enroute - at least the SoCal ones.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14373 times:

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 8):

Also Hickam AFB shares runways with HNL. Unless they move them to neighboring islands/Atolls. ATC I suspect is going to be busy.



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User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14338 times:

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 8):
It will be worth monitoring FlightAware to see if any airlines, corporate operators, or GA owners send up aircraft into holding patterns to protect them.

CO1 was delayed 2 hours on departure, now in the air.

Continental Flight: 1
Departure Date: Feb 27, 2010
Status: In Flight - Estimated to Arrive 1 Hour 51 Minutes Late

Departed:
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Scheduled: 9:35 AM
Actual: 11:47 AM
Gate: E4
Check-in: Terminal C

Arrives:
Honolulu, HI (HNL)
Scheduled: 2:00 PM
Estimated: 3:51 PM
Gate: Not Assigned
Bag Claim/Arrivals: Main Terminal/ Lobby 7

Aircraft: Boeing 767-400 aircraft #65

CO73 was scheduled out at 12:30p, 45 minutes late but is still on the ground at IAH.

Continental Flight: 73
Departure Date: Feb 27, 2010
Status: Delayed - Air Traffic Control

Departs:
Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental)
Scheduled: 11:45 AM
Estimated: 12:30 PM
Gate: C-14
Check-in: Terminal C

Arrives:
Honolulu, HI (HNL)
Scheduled: 4:10 PM
Estimated: 5:01 PM
Gate: Not Assigned
Bag Claim/Arrivals: Main Terminal/ Lobby 7

Aircraft: Boeing 767-400 aircraft #64

CO15 from EWR is still showing on time.

Danny



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14271 times:
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Air Tahiti Nui' flight TN77 should be landing or has landed in HNL right now. It will stay there until the tsunami alert is lifted in PPT.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14035 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 11):
90% of Hawaiian Airlines westcoast flights arrive between 1030 and noon.

Indeeed they do, but they don't appeared to be affected:

Phoenix, AZ Hawaiian Airlines 35 2010-02-27T11:27:00-10:00 11:27 AM In Flight
Oakland, CA Hawaiian Airlines 47 2010-02-27T11:36:00-10:00 11:36 AM In Flight
Seattle, WA Hawaiian Airlines 27 2010-02-27T11:36:00-10:00 11:36 AM In Flight
Sacramento, CA Hawaiian Airlines 19 2010-02-27T11:48:00-10:00 11:48 AM In Flight
Manila, Philippines Hawaiian Airlines 456 2010-02-27T11:54:00-10:00 11:54 AM In Flight
San Francisco, CA Hawaiian Airlines 11 2010-02-27T12:01:00-10:00 12:01 PM In Flight
Los Angeles, CA Hawaiian Airlines 1 2010-02-27T12:12:00-10:00 12:12 PM In Flight
San Diego, CA Hawaiian Airlines 15 2010-02-27T13:07:00-10:00 1:07 PM In Flight
Seattle, WA Hawaiian Airlines 21 2010-02-27T13:15:00-10:00 1:15 PM In Flight

Interesting that the Manila flight is en route, too.


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User currently offlineilovepabst From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13909 times:

What Hawaiian island airport is the highest above sea level?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13803 times:

Quoting ilovepabst (Reply 16):
What Hawaiian island airport is the highest above sea level?

Wheeler Army Air Field?..



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User currently offlineFLYAWA From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

AF Cabin Crew,

An update on PPT:

reuters.com reports the swell passed PPT two hours ago (1050EST) at only 36cm.

[Edited 2010-02-27 11:42:12]


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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2462 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13205 times:

According to BBC news there is the risk of Brisbane and Sydney to be hit by waves from this, BNE airport lies very close to the coast although im unsure of the elevation of the airport!


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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13056 times:
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Quoting FLYAWA (Reply 18):
reuters.com reports the swell passed PPT two hours ago (1050EST) at only 36cm.

Thanks, the boats are starting to go back in the harbour, the Marquesas were hit by 4 waves highest was 4.13meters. The situation is fine in the Marquesas as they are very high islands, only the harbours were hit.
Couple of boats were damaged and witnesses were saying you could walk in the harbour as all the water was gone...

[Edited 2010-02-27 12:08:46]


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User currently offlineB777fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12800 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
meaning the leeward side of the island might be shielded

The leeward side is not immune. On a mostly circular island, as the waves wrap around the island, there can be an amplification of the waves were they come back together. I am not aware of whether there are limitations of this effect for larger islands, but on small round islands, some of the biggest damage has been observed on the leeward shores.


User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12640 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 19):
BNE airport lies very close to the coast although im unsure of the elevation of the airport!

Elev. 11 feet above MSL.

Rgs


User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

Quoting ilovepabst (Reply 16):
What Hawaiian island airport is the highest above sea level?

Lanai City (PHNY) @ 1308 feet and Ho'olehua (PHMK) @ 454 feet. Both served by Island Air, Mokulele Express, and Pacific Wings - all prop service. No flights from outside of Hawaii. Most every "major" Hawaii airport is



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12050 times:
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Operations at HNL should not be affected too much because only the Reef Runway (8R) is in the evacuation zone. Everything is still operating normally, but with caution since the first wave is expected to hit Hilo in 30 minutes.

Quoting ilovepabst (Reply 16):
What Hawaiian island airport is the highest above sea level?

That would be Lana'i Airport at 1308 ft MSL.


25 Post contains links LHR380 : 15 minutes till the first wave is due to hit. Live footage from KHNL http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/...tegory.asp?C=176904&nav=menu55_1_1
26 thegman : US 807 CLT-HNL turned back and landed at PHX.
27 76794p : I read on CO that it was a fueling issue.
28 BayAreaBlue : All AS morning flights to the islands were delayed: SEA-KOA Flight AS 865 departed 2:55 late SEA-OGG Flight AS 857 departed 3:44 late OAK-OGG Flight A
29 71Zulu : Looking at CNN and the waves are starting to hit now but seems smaller than expected, about 3 feet high. Not sure if it will get worse later but so fa
30 Byrdluvs747 : I know this is a aviation forum, but is anyone else put off about the worry over airport ops versus the potential human impact?
31 PDXBJV : From a financial standpoint wouldn't it be cheaper to spend the money on fuel and crew than having to replace the planes all together, should the wav
32 7673mech : EE.UU. 807 CLT-HNL regres The orginal question was how HNL ops are affected and why some flights seemed not to be delayed. Of course we are concerned
33 HNL-Jack : Looks like we escaped the bullet. The state did a fantastic job preparing the islands. The potential affected areas were empty, roads which might be n
34 LHR380 : Listening to the news over there via the internet, there were constant updates, using a lot of social media to get info from other islands. Bless the
35 borism : So HNL was not closed for operation? According to HA twitter OGG was closed, so together with ITO that makes two? I know OGG is low, but not that low!
36 HNL-Jack : I'm not sure, but it may be that the roads were closed.
37 ha763 : Correct Only the road to OGG was closed, because it is in the inundation zone. The car rental facilities at OGG are also in the inundation zone. Flig
38 wn676 : That was a maintenance diversion.
39 777fan : Yes, the state appeared to have done a better job (than the 2005 quakes) but from watching various media outlets' coverage, it appears that the avera
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