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EK A380 To PEK  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8216 times:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/58260...es-to-launch-a380-on-beijing-route
There you go another EK A380 destination.

BTW is it really a 517 seater or an error in the article?


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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8177 times:

Isn't this the higher capacity A380?


And congrats to EK.Hope to see it in Mumbai too.C'mon EK!!



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User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8177 times:

Emirates had one A380 configured with 14 First Class seats, 76 Business Class Seats and 427 Economy Class seats (Total : 517 seats). This was used to launch flights to Jeddah on 1 February 2010.

Perhaps someone could confirm if this is still the only aircraft with this configuration or have more been delivered in this configuration.

Emirates' A380 will not be the first into Beijing ... Singapore Airlines operated its A380 into Beijing Capital Airport for a week coinciding with the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008.

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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
Hope to see it in Mumbai too.

Neither the airport nor the runway is ready to operate the A380. Even when the new airport is functional, whenever that is (2014?), the runway is still an issue. And you and I know there not an iota of space available for expanding the existing runway.

DEL, COK, MAA, are the airports which may get the A380s, under the existing bilateral agreement.



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User currently offlineronerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting aviasian (Reply 2):
Emirates had one A380 configured with 14 First Class seats, 76 Business Class Seats and 427 Economy Class seats (Total : 517 seats). This was used to launch flights to Jeddah on 1 February 2010.

Perhaps someone could confirm if this is still the only aircraft with this configuration or have more been delivered in this configuration.

Emirates has a total of 8 A380's as of today.

Five of them (A6-EDA, B, C, D & E) are ULH versions configured with lower density seating.

The first higher density one, A6-EDF was delivered to the airline in December 2009 and was first deployed to ICN. Today Emirates has three higher density versions (A6-EDF, G & H).

The low density aircraft are always assigned to Sydney/Auckland & Toronto flights; while London, Bangkok, Seoul, Paris, and Jeddah get a mix of either version depending on demand and aircraft availability. Presumably Beijing could see a mixture of both versions as well.

The main difference between the two is the absence of the crew bunk in the rear of the main deck which was replaced with additional Economy Class seating.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9835 posts, RR: 96
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
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Quoting ojas (Reply 3):
Neither the airport nor the runway is ready to operate the A380. Even when the new airport is functional, whenever that is (2014?), the runway is still an issue. And you and I know there not an iota of space available for expanding the existing runway.

What's the issue at Mumbai?

What's the biggest they see at present?

Rgds


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 5):
What's the issue at Mumbai?

What's the biggest they see at present?

Runway, Taxiway terminal everything airside is an issue for the A380. With the new terminal, everything except the runway, Taxiway will be compatible with the A380.

BOM sees everything else, from B744 to A346. Though A346 had slight issues of maneuvering, but it is taken care of now.



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User currently offlinezainmax From Pakistan, joined Jul 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

What are the requirements of taxiways, jetties, runway length and what is the LCN of A380 ?


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7460 times:
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PEK was an obvious destination for EK's A380's. JNB will be another (not to mention filling out service to Australia and LHR).

Quoting ojas (Reply 3):
DEL, COK, MAA, are the airports which may get the A380s, under the existing bilateral agreement.

I agree BOM is not ready for the A380. It is one of three airports I have identified where the cost to be 748 ready is far less than A388 ready. But note, I have only identified 3 airports in that category: SEA, ATL, and BOM.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 4):
(A6-EDF, G & H).

Thank you.

Now for Airbus to speed deliveries! There are too few A380's to blog about!   

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2607 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

Quoting ronerone (Reply 4):
Today Emirates has three higher density versions (A6-EDF, G & H).

At least three of the next A 380s will also have the higher density version: A6-EDJ, K & L.
I am not so sure about A6-EDI (MSN 009, one of the former test planes). It's specified as a "version 1" but it was the same with A6-EDF (MSN 007 - also a former test plane), which was specified as version 1 but which was delivered in a higher density version.

If my documents are up to date then A6-EDM, N and EDO will be version 1 again.


User currently offlineMalayil From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

When will EK announce the double daily into LHR and also MAN?

User currently offlineAnshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 3):
Even when the new airport is functional, whenever that is (2014?), the runway is still an issue. And you and I know there not an iota of space available for expanding the existing runway.

How's the work on the new airport coming along? 2014? I haven't heard ANY news of construction! Its supposed to be built in Navi Mumbai, right?

Is there enough demand to warrant a 517 seater to PEK?


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
BTW is it really a 517 seater or an error in the article?
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 1):
Isn't this the higher capacity A380?

The A380 has 800+ seats max, so this is still a very low density configuration. I wish more operators put more seats on it to get the fare down for us.

( Low fares is more flying time... )



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6618 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
Runway, Taxiway terminal everything airside is an issue for the A380. With the new terminal, everything except the runway, Taxiway will be compatible with the A380.

Care to explain how the runway, taxiways & terminal is not A380 compatible? If the B744 operates to an airport, generally there will be no problem with the runways, taxiways for the A380. It was designed that way. I can't imagine a problem with the runway, unless BOM has an absolute weight limited structure, like a tunnel. There are some specific taxiway issues at some airports, but it's not usually a big problem. I have never heard of a terminal not being A380 compatible. It might limit the size of the aircraft at the next gate, but it can use the same jetways as other aircraft.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6571 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 9):
Quoting ronerone (Reply 4):
Today Emirates has three higher density versions (A6-EDF, G & H).

At least three of the next A 380s will also have the higher density version: A6-EDJ, K & L.
I am not so sure about A6-EDI (MSN 009, one of the former test planes). It's specified as a "version 1" but it was the same with A6-EDF (MSN 007 - also a former test plane), which was specified as version 1 but which was delivered in a higher density version.

If my documents are up to date then A6-EDM, N and EDO will be version 1 again.

Well when are the 644 seaters set to come along?

Quoting Malayil (Reply 10):
When will EK announce the double daily into LHR and also MAN?

MAN lightly pencilled in for September. Might be a two-fold announcement in April i.e. one for the A380 and one for the 3rd daily service. That would slightly steal EY's thunder.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting zainmax (Reply 7):
What are the requirements of taxiways, jetties, runway length and what is the LCN of A380 ?

See: http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S...a/docs/AC/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A380.pdf

It's not working for me at the moment, it gives a strange hex error message, NOT error 404, so it may come back soon. If you are really interested send me a PM with you email address and I'll send you the PDF, but its a couple of meg.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Quoting Malayil (Reply 10):
When will EK announce the double daily into LHR and also MAN?

LHR double daily from 1st Jul 2010
MAN daily A380 from 1st Sep 2010
JFK daily A380 from 31st Oct 2010
PVG daily A380 from 1st Jan 2011


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):
The A380 has 800+ seats max, so this is still a very low density configuration. I wish more operators put more seats on it to get the fare down for us.

At 517, it's not that low density. The only way you are going to see numbers up into the 600s is if they go all Y or they push Y to 11 abreast or sub 30" pitch... no good.

Plus, per space, premium seats generally create more revenue, that's why they are more profitable, if you can sell them, a low density, high premium configured aircraft generates more money.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2919 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 13):
Care to explain how the runway, taxiways & terminal is not A380 compatible?

Terminal-The existing terminal cannot handle the A380s as there is a limited boarding area, people pass through the same jet bridge before they are split up into F, and J. And IIRC the A380s normally have 3 jet bridges for itself, not mandatory but for efficient boarding.

Tarmac- due to the length from wingtip to wingtip both the A380 will have difficulties in maneuvering at the apron and yes also the gate besides both of them will have to be kept empty.

Taxiway- the taxiways have a breadth issue as of today ( you may know better) but according to the people working at BOM airport, this is what they are saying. However this isn't a major issue, but it is one at the moment.

Runway- With a runway of 11,450 ft approx, and that too located right in the middle of the city, an A380 could face load restriction while take off. Currently there is a runway re carpeting work going on. When the A380 had come first for display in 2007, it's touchdown at BOM had had some minor damages as well.


The whole point is EK is 5 daily to BOM and there is not an urgent need to deploy the A380 to BOM. 2 of the 5 flights are A332/A345 with a capacity of 237/240. If they need to increase seats ( which they are always) they can upgrade these flights to a B77W.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9835 posts, RR: 96
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4352 times:
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Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
The only way you are going to see numbers up into the 600s is if they go all Y or they push Y to 11 abreast or sub 30" pitch... no good.

In your dreams perhaps. Boeing's 467 3-class seat count for the 748i equates to 614 seats when put in a cabin the size of an A380.

All-Y at 10-abreast takes you up to 840 seats. Ask Air Austral  
Quoting ojas (Reply 18):
Runway- With a runway of 11,450 ft approx, and that too located right in the middle of the city, an A380 could face load restriction while take off.

Rwy 9/27 is certainly long enough at 3 450m (especially as an A380 fuelled for the 1 000Nm journey to DXB is never going to weigh much more than 400t, even with its full 85t payload. At that weight, it requires little more than 1 500m to take off.   

For reference, at MTOW, and ISA + 15C at 0 ft, an A380 requires about 2 800m of runway, so 3 450m should be ample, even on hot days, and at MTOW. But at MTOW, you ain't flying to Dubai, unless your ferrying at least 160t extra fuel as a tanker  

If you don't have major runway issues with 744's and A346's, then you definitely won't get them with an A380   

Your other points might well be valid, of course.

Rgds


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 3):
the runway is still an issue

Why should the runway be an issue? The A 380 can land and take off on any runway which is used for other wide-bodies as the 744, 777, 340/330. There is one exception, when the runway goes over a tunnel with an overall weight restriction. But the weight per wheel is less than with a 777.


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