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Air Tanzania's Boeing 737-200 Crashes  
User currently offlinejambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 29147 times:

News coming in that Air Tanzania's Boeing 737-200 crashed during take off at Mwanza Airport (which is located in the western part of the country about 1hrs flying time from the Capital Dar es Salaam).

46 pax on board all survived.



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User currently offlineToobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 29086 times:

good to hear everyone is ok. landing gear collapse on landing..? I think I see some marks on the runway behind the aircraft.

EDIT: after looking at it more I think it's just grass that was thrown on the runway

[Edited 2010-03-01 06:50:49]

User currently offlinemestrugo From Chile, joined Apr 2007, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 29075 times:

What, no ramps deployed?

User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 28977 times:

Glad all made it out alive after what looks like an aborted takeoff at MWZ [thrust reversers and spoilers deployed].

It would be good to know that WX conditions were; looks like a damp runway, but no standing water in the pic.

What would cause the nose landing gear to collapse on takeoff? It only went a few meters off the runway so I doubt that was the cause.

Strange to see that the evacuation slides were not deployed.



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User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 28859 times:

yeah strange to see no evacuation slides deployed. but maybe there was no need to deploy them, since they could simply walk off?

the plane could easily be repaired right? sad to see that plane retiring now.



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User currently offlineyendig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 28582 times:
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Quoting Swallow (Reply 3):
what looks like an aborted takeoff

Looking at the angle of the flaps they seem configured for landing


User currently offlineavroarrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 28548 times:

So does it look like a loss of directional control and onto the grass which then knocked the nosewheel off after it came to pavement again? Although I don't see a nosewheel anywhere on the ground in the photos. Or if it was a landing accident maybe the nosewheel didn't come down? Anyway, good to hear that all are OK.


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User currently offlinedalca From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 28103 times:
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Wow, god to hear nobody got hurt.

I do wonder if they can ever fix the plane. Mwanza is not really known for being easy to get to and certainly not with a lot of aircraft parts. I 've been there once and it's not much of an airport.

This shold also put quire a dent into Air Tanzania operations. Can MWZ operate without problems due to place where the aircraft came down?



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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27795 times:

Quoting yendig (Reply 5):
Quoting Swallow (Reply 3):
what looks like an aborted takeoff

Looking at the angle of the flaps they seem configured for landing

You are correct. I was quoting the OP who said the accident occurred during takeoff

Av Herald seems to say it occurred on landing after flying in from DAR

An Air Tanzania Boeing 737-200, registration 5H-MVZ performing flight TC-100 from Dar Es Salaam to Mwanza (Tanzania) with 46 passengers, veered left of the landing runway 30 around 08:00L (05:00Z). The nose gear collapsed before the airplane came to a standstill with both main gear on soft ground and the nose resting on a paved surface. No injuries occured, the airplane received damage to its nosegear and right hand engine.

No Metars are available for Mwanza. Local weather reports at 08:00L indicate light winds below 5 knots from northnorthwest and scattered clouds. Around midnight there had been a thunderstorm in the area with significant rain


http://avherald.com/img/air_tanzania_b732_5h-mvz_mwanza_100301_map.jpg


Source: http://avherald.com/h?article=42800a18



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User currently offlineSolarFlyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26723 times:

Is this a hull loss or is it salvagable?

User currently offlineadam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26561 times:

Quoting SolarFlyer22 (Reply 9):

To me it looks like there is only minor damage and could be salvaged, but I have an untrained eye and am no expert.


User currently offlineAAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26357 times:

Isn't calling this a "crash" somewhat misleading?

User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26176 times:

Good that everyone is at least physically ok,, but it's beyond me that anyone is still flying those Boeings from the middleages. That's asking for trouble.


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25832 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):
Good that everyone is at least physically ok,, but it's beyond me that anyone is still flying those Boeings from the middleages. That's asking for trouble.

Why did I know you, specifically, would bring this up....


Lots of things could have caused this. As the aircraft appears to be in the landing configuration, and given the position of the aircraft, I'd say "mechanical failure" is pretty far down my list of possible causes.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5892 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25721 times:

Didn't Air Tanzania get some investment or help from some other airline rcently....I want to say KL sticks in my mind


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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25492 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
I want to say KL sticks in my mind

I dont think KL will invest in Air Tanzania. The country is doing very well, but KL already has close cooperation with KQ and KQ/KL have excellent coverage of Tanzania both nonstop from AMS or via NBO.

Rgs,


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 23316 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):
but it's beyond me that anyone is still flying those Boeings from the middleages. That's asking for trouble.

Was waiting for that. There is nothing wrong with operating 737-200s. Most crashes lately involve maintenance/operating/weather/etc issues, not so much the airframe itself. And it's funny how people often rip on 732s, but I seem to hear much less whining about major airlines of the world still operating DC-9s, early 737-300s, and so on which are equally as old or older as some of the 732s out there. When taken care of properly, 737-200s are more than safe enough to fly around on, and some of the younger frames out there still have several years of good service left in them...

Also notice that even brand new airplanes slide off the runway occasionally. I'm sorry but sometimes its nothing to do with the aircraft type, but instead is a simple case of sh*t happens...



CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineJETnyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 103 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 21222 times:

Anyone know the age of this aircraft ??

User currently offlineKBOS From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 21038 times:

Not too old.....

Airframe Details
Construction Number 23602
Line Number 1347
Aircraft Type Boeing 737-247(A)
First Flight 11-02-1987
Age 23.1 Years
Airframe Status Active



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8494 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 21000 times:
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Quoting JETnyc (Reply 17):
Anyone know the age of this aircraft ?

According to another site this aircraft first flew 11 February 1997 , so it is just over 23 years old which must make it one of the younger remaining 737-200s .



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User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20216 times:

Most African nations require any Boeing 737-200 operating within their limits to be under 25 years of age. That is why these airlines are paying good money for the few, younger, remaining frames.


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User currently offlinespudsmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19732 times:

Doesn't look like a crash to me.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18710 times:

I'm surprised that the Escape slides were not deployed......Strange........

Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):
but it's beyond me that anyone is still flying those Boeings from the middleages. That's asking for trouble.

I thought someone would raise this point.....& once again I'd clarify......THAT THE SAFETY OF AN AIRCRAFT IS DEPENDANT ON ITS OPERATION & MAINTENANCE & NOT ITS AGE.

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 16):
737-200s are more than safe enough to fly around on, and some of the younger frames out there still have several years of good service left in them...

True.......NLG has built in shear bolts[Three in total] that seperate off when faced with excessive load to avoid further structural damage.Now did the aircraft NW impact the grass before shearing off or on touchdown....Guess we need to await the Investigation report to know.

Looks like the Aircraft will be flying after a little work on the Section 41 surface & replacement of the NLG assy.

regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineLHRspotter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16552 times:

Could the decision not to deploy the sildes had anything to do with the cost which this brings?

[Edited 2010-03-02 01:07:39]

User currently offlinebrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16247 times:

It appears that none of the exits is open -- therefore it's possible that the slides were deployed, removed and the doors closed before the photos were taken ...


I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
25 wexfordflyer : I'm not. It doesnt look like there seemed to be any immediate danger to the passengers. If noone was injured on landing (or whatever situation happen
26 dalce : LH still operates older 737-300's than this, and nobody is complaining about that. D-ABXL did enter service with LH 04.dec.1986 and still flies aroun
27 flyingAY : I'm pretty sure a lot of safety improvements and innovations have been in made in the planes since the introduction of Boeing 737-200 or even the man
28 longhauler : In the B737-200, (and quite a few other aircraft) SOPs require that the flaps be extended to a full position after slowing through 70 knots on a know
29 pipo777 : Exactly right!! The 3rd step of the 737-200 QRH evacuation checklist is flaps 40 and the 7th step says that, if time allows it, check that flaps are
30 Post contains images rcair1 : Actually, there is are some saying the opposite, that the increased automation combined with a crop of newer more "computer based pilots" are causing
31 HAWK21M : yeah strange to see no evacuation slides deployed. but maybe there was no need to deploy them, since they could simply walk off? How would the cabin c
32 Thomas_Jaeger : Does anyone know which Air Tanzania aircraft are currently operational other than this B737-200 that is now obviously stuck in Mwanza? They had not be
33 Daysleeper : I respectfully disagree. It’s my understanding that it’s not financially feasible to re-wire a frame and given the amount of wiring in a modern c
34 Bennett123 : AFAIK, all that they have left is a few DHC8's.
35 hbofinger : A couple of points: The 737 in question was a lease from the US, i.e. a U.S. maintained aircraft. Speaking to sources on the ground, the basic assumpt
36 Post contains images AAEXP :
37 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : One of the only 2 737s (both -200C combis) factory-delivered to Air Tanzania in 1978-79, is still hard at work after 31 years. It's been operating si
38 atpcliff : Hi! I am surprised, because have never seen the Air Tanzania 737 before. We see Precision Air's 737 all the time, and it flies into Mwanza, also. We f
39 Post contains images seabosdca : Er, do you mean an A340?
40 kmh1956 : Um....huh? Actually, if you'll read your history books, you'll find that there were NO airplanes around during the Middle Ages. In fact, unless I am
41 hbofinger : Sorry, Airbus 320, not 380! Now I hear that the rainstorm happened after the accident, so hydroplaning is out as a cause.The runway was dry. Proves a
42 CallBell : Unless there was an immediate danger to the passengers and crew, then there was no need to delply the emergency escape slides. Indeed passengers were
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