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Skywest Files To Leave Oxnard, Calif.  
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32623 posts, RR: 72
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Skywest has filed with DOT to end service to Oxnard, California on June 8th, which it currently serves thrice daily from LAX. This will leave Oxnard without commercial air service. However, given Oxnard's location - the airport is roughly a one hour fifteen minute drive from either LAX or BUR - I don't think many will be missing the service.


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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7502 times:

To me. this seems like a casualty of the EMB 120 retirement. I would look for more of these type of announcements from OO in the coming months. Cities from LAX like IYK and even SGU (Skywest's HQ city) can't be safe. SGU would only be temporary until the new airport is up though.

That being said, was Oxnard an EAS city? If so, someone will bid to pick it up. The question becomes, who will that someone be?


User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Even without EAS, I have that funny feeling Allegiant will swoop in (pun intended).


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User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7421 times:
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Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 2):
Even without EAS, I have that funny feeling Allegiant will swoop in (pun intended).

Yes, but Allegiant to where?

When they came to Monterey Peninsula, further up the coast,
there was only one destination -- San Diego.

And the MD-80 is clearly the wrong plane for service to LAX


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6586 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7376 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
That being said, was Oxnard an EAS city?

Oxnard is not an EAS city and based on its proximity to LAX/BUR, it should not be eligible for EAS subsidies.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):
Yes, but Allegiant to where?

LAS would be my guess, but I'm not sure G4 would want it. I'm pretty sure the OO EMB120's weren't stopping G4 from already starting OXR if they wanted to.


User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
Cities from LAX like IYK and even SGU (Skywest's HQ city) can't be safe. SGU would only be temporary until the new airport is up though.

SGU was already dropped leaving only SGU-SLC.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7200 times:

And OXR is only about 38 miles down the 101 from SBA, which I would estimate is the airport of preference for those in Oxnard/Ventura (as long as there's service from SBA to the desired destination of course.)

(And a lot less traffic too.)

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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 7116 times:

Tis will make the 2nd time OO has made Oxnard the lost city. When they flew as DL Connection in California, they pulled out as well, long before they were a United Express carrier

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24890 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
To me. this seems like a casualty of the EMB 120 retirement.

  
Was recently discussed in the thread.
OAG Changes 2/26/2010: AA/AS/CO/F9/UA/US/WN/YX/ZK (by enilria Feb 25 2010 in Civil Aviation)

The OO E120 fleet draw down plan has 9 frames leaving in 2010, 14 in 2011, 2 in 2012 and 9 in 2013.



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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 7050 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):

Do we know what the future of the EM2 at DL is going to be? Will they be around at SLC for the forseeable future?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 7016 times:

Technically all cities with commercial service when Deregulation happened in 1978 are EAS cities.

The only thing in play is how Congress currently defines EAS subsidy eligibility.

It is defined as the distance from a medium or large "hub" airport. "Hub" in this case defined using the amount of traffic at an airport not an airline definition. I believe the current distance is 70 miles from a medium or large hub.

SBA does not meet the classification of medium or large hub.

But, Oxnard is within 60 miles of Burbank (classified a medium hub) so there should be no EAS subsidy to continue service.



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
It is defined as the distance from a medium or large "hub" airport. "Hub" in this case defined using the amount of traffic at an airport not an airline definition. I believe the current distance is 70 miles from a medium or large hub.

Just out of curiosity, is this defined as driving distance or straight line distance?


User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
That being said, was Oxnard an EAS city? If so, someone will bid to pick it up. The question becomes, who will that someone be?
OAG Changes 2/26/2010: AA/AS/CO/F9/UA/US/WN/YX/ZK . Reply #59 mentions OXR is seeking replacement service.



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User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6524 times:
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Quoting Yflyer (Reply 11):
Just out of curiosity, is this defined as driving distance or straight line distance?

The 101 between Oxnard and Burbank / Glendale / Pasadena is so often choked with traffic that it really doesn't make any difference. Last time I drove that route (actually from the Camarillo Outlet Mall to my hotel near Burbank Airport ) it took just over an hour, and it was a Sunday.


User currently offlinejolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Maybe Great Lakes can take the route?   

[Edited 2010-03-01 17:44:32]

User currently onlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6228 times:
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Quoting jolau1701 (Reply 14):
Maybe Great Lakes can take the route?

Or someone else flying Cessna 402s maybe **cough cough Cape Air**


User currently offlinedesertflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

What other cities will be on the chopping block as the E120s leave? Lots of small California cities are currently served by them from LAX and SFO.

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6101 times:
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I can see OO replacing ACV and RDD with 3 CRJ/day.
IYK,YUM,IPL,MOD,CIC,CEC probably get something like SeaPort, Pacific Wings, or Cape Air type carrier.
LMT maybe try with 2/CRJ perhaps on a PDX-RDM-LMT-SFO route.
MWH eliminated.
LAS-FAT/PSP perhaps 1 or 2 crj.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 883 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

Quoting desertflyer (Reply 16):
What other cities will be on the chopping block as the E120s leave? Lots of small California cities are currently served by them from LAX and SFO.

CRQ/CLD - Carlsbad might be a city that would lose service when the EMB's are retired. I was under the impression that the CRJ would take a weight penalty. But there are rumors of a new startup out of CRQ that would operate CR7s, so I don't know.


User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 5):
SGU was already dropped leaving only SGU-SLC.

I believe the route was drop only as temp due to the current airport runways situtation. I believe once OO moved into the new airport they will resume service on the "non-rev express".

mah4546,
Would you be able to link me the filing?

Rdgs,


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32623 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 19):
Would you be able to link me the filing?

You will need to register with www.airlineinfo.com:

http://airlineinfo.com/ost12/ost030110.html#Anchor-SkyWest-51689



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24890 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 9):
Do we know what the future of the EM2 at DL is going to be? Will they be around at SLC for the forseeable future?

I'm not too familiar with the Delta contract, but as I recall all DL E120 flying is under a revenue-sharing arrangement.
But either way, OO for a while now that stated its E120 fleet would continue to shrink over the years, so I am sure DL is well aware.

Quoting desertflyer (Reply 16):
What other cities will be on the chopping block as the E120s leave? Lots of small California cities are currently served by them from LAX and SFO.

United has continued to shift ever more flying to RJ (look at LAX-SAN now), while some routes like LAX-ONT, LAX-SNA have been withdrawn.

But it is important to remember much of the UAX E120 flying is at-risk, so ultimately OO is in the driving seat not United. So unless a market is truly important for the greater UA network and worth backfiling with RJs, there could very well be further markets exits such as OXR.

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 19):
Would you be able to link me the filing?

Check regulations.gov

The filing is OST-2010-0041



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 19):
I believe the route was drop only as temp due to the current airport runways situtation. I believe once OO moved into the new airport they will resume service on the "non-rev express".

LAX-SGU was dropped because of revenue, it didn't make money plane and simple. We won't see that return unless someone coughs up cash to subsize it. The route was to provide a bridge between the UA LAX system and the DL SLC system. The bridge was re-routed through LAS with some carefully placed ferry flights. This is fact and direct from the guy who made the desicsion.

Don't expect to see an increase of seats when the new airport opens, the market doesn't support the serives that is there already, the only reason it is there is because OO is willing to take some loss on the route because it's the link for HDQ employeess to the outside world.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 11):
Just out of curiosity, is this defined as driving distance or straight line distance?

It is highway distance "by the usual route taken", not by the shortest route. Hagerstown MD is within 70 miles of Dulles Airport but the governor of Maryland certified that Hagerstown folk do not take the logical, peaceful, and shorter Route 15 to Dulles, but instead take the exasperating I-70 - Washington Beltway - Dulles Tollroad route, which is over 70 miles. Thus HGR is eligible for EAS subsidies.



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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 22):
Don't expect to see an increase of seats when the new airport opens, the market doesn't support the serives that is there already, the only reason it is there is because OO is willing to take some loss on the route because it's the link for HDQ employeess to the outside world.

You are so correct. I don't know where everyone, including the press, who believe because SGU is getting a new airport, passenger growth will come by the droves.


25 Post contains images MrSkyGuy : This thread is chock full of assumptions, but a few key points need to be made: The primary service benefit to the EMB-120 service at OXR was the Navy
26 aaway : The reduction of frequency over the years has made the LAX connection less convenient - particularly for large swaths of Central and Southern Califor
27 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : It stinks that some of the california UAX network will be gone. San Jose to Santa Barbara is gonna go from 5x daily to zero daily for example and now
28 hiflyer : Lots of small Ca airports have lost service as the economy out there worsens and more will. The E120 removal is just a sign of the problem...not the p
29 lotsamiles : Nice summary, fully agreed. I used to live walking distance to OXR and took the flight to LAX many times back when there were 5 or 6 flights a day an
30 hatbutton : I think MWH will be gone long before the E120s are. Loads on that are horrible for a 30 seater. IYK, IPL will definitely be gone. YUM, MOD, and CIC c
31 dl767captain : I thought we might lose CLd service when the E120 gets retired completely but the fact that the airport just built a brand new terminal to me means t
32 as739x : Just curious who knows anything about this new start-up at CLD. With a 4,600 ft runway its to short for a CRJ/CR7. So what will this new company fly?
33 dl767captain : Well it's too short for them to take off fully loaded, the weight penalties are usually the problem. I'm not sure about an ERJ that might be smaller
34 goldenshield : It's short, but not too short. There would be a severe weight restriction: 1) Lots of fuel, and few people, or 2) Lots of people, and little fuel (LA
35 as739x : So someone plans to operate this from CLD and expect to make money? I suppose I will believe it when I see it. Just seems to me that OO with its dispo
36 wedgetail737 : It wouldn't surprise me if OO dropped the EMB-120 operation here in the PNW completely. UA's presence here is nothing compared to what they used to b
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