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New AA/Eagle Flights Out Of MIA?  
User currently offlinebigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

Does anyone have any news or info on any new flights being added out of MIA by AA or Eagle? I have heard that Eagle is trying to get up too 100 flights a day at MIA before the end 2010? I just wondering what you guys think or any insight!

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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

We might be getting word on some of the new flights next week, for launch on June 10th.


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
We might be getting word on some of the new flights next week, for launch on June 10th.

come on CLE-MIA!



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User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10706 times:
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Any hopes for MIA or is that not in the cards? I'd think that a MIA route would be a great way to establish viable oneWorld itineraries to the Caribbean and S. America from the National Capital Region. Right now, YOWers would have endure severe dog-legging to ORD for oneWorld itins to the aforementioned destinations -- not really a good option.

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[Edited 2010-03-01 19:49:37]


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User currently offlinebigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10706 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
We might be getting word on some of the new flights next week, for launch on June 10th.

Any ideas? I would love to see Eagle go up to or arounf 100 flights a day!


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

Quoting bigsky09 (Reply 4):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 1):
We might be getting word on some of the new flights next week, for launch on June 10th.

Any ideas? I would love to see Eagle go up to or arounf 100 flights a day!

No ideas, and I don't even know if it will include new routes for June or just increased frequencies.

But any current MQ city in the Southeast is probably fair game for an MIA flight. GSP has been mentioned the most.

We'll probably have MIA-TUL announced with a 738, or so I've heard.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10628 times:

I heard a rumor, from a not too reliable source (ha) that MCI-MIA has been discussed...that would be a dream come true.

User currently offlinebigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10570 times:

I am excited with any upcoming news out of MIA as I have just been hired for Eagle there Part time. I am still trying to figure out the flying benefits. I know you have to pay for the first 5 years of service but I am trying to get a good idea of the costs. I also know the starting pay but I am trying to find out the top out pay and how long that takes as well as the overall culture for AA/MQ at MIA. Its hard getting any answers on here, but it is exciting to hear there might be more flights coming!

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22983 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
We'll probably have MIA-TUL announced with a 738, or so I've heard.

I know there is a maintenance base in TUL, but I can't fathom them flying MIA-TUL and not MIA-MCI.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10030 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
We'll probably have MIA-TUL announced with a 738, or so I've heard.

That seems a bit much. Hopefully when the return to PVD, MIA will be in the mix, they have the ethnic demographics to support it, much mroeso than most of the recent MIA additions.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
We'll probably have MIA-TUL announced with a 738, or so I've heard.

Tulsa before Austin and San Diego?


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9805 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 5):
We'll probably have MIA-TUL announced with a 738, or so I've heard.

Tulsa before Austin and San Diego?

Yes. Tulsa is a major maintenance base. Might as well sell tickets on that 738 instead of letting it fly empty.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22983 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 11):
Yes. Tulsa is a major maintenance base. Might as well sell tickets on that 738 instead of letting it fly empty.

I guess I'd rather see them fly it to MCI and ferry it (or heck, sell tickets - I don't care) to TUL from there.



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User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3078 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):

Indeed. Maybe AA will resume PVD-DFW as well?

I know ALB-ORD will return, but I doubt we will ever see ALB-MIA on AA metal.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
Indeed. Maybe AA will resume PVD-DFW as well?

I think,the PVD-DFW/MIA case is stronger than PVD-ORD, its just ORD so its easier to mix in, when they return I expect we will see PVD to DFW and or MIA in the mix



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1924 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

I think you can also expect a lot of frequency increases as many of the cities served from MIA in the southeast and midwest are only 1-2x daily. I know in SDF, our manager has been asking for a second daily MIA flight for a while as our only one is almost always going out full and weight restricted.

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

Quoting bigsky09 (Reply 4):
Any ideas?

I think AVL is a good possibility. MQ just opened a station here with DFW flights and with such a large Florida population base, Miami only makes sense.

[Edited 2010-03-02 11:09:49]


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User currently offlinestock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

As a TUL based AA elite flyer, I never thought we'd see TUL-MIA on 738. Miracles can happen....

User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9500 times:

Quoting bigsky09 (Reply 7):
I am excited with any upcoming news out of MIA as I have just been hired for Eagle there Part time. I am still trying to figure out the flying benefits. I know you have to pay for the first 5 years of service but I am trying to get a good idea of the costs. I also know the starting pay but I am trying to find out the top out pay and how long that takes as well as the overall culture for AA/MQ at MIA. Its hard getting any answers on here, but it is exciting to hear there might be more flights coming!

I just wanna say welcome to the family!

Z18



First class or no class...
User currently offlineJetSetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

I'm still hoping to see MIA-CTG. Will these additions be strictly domestic?

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
but I doubt we will ever see ALB-MIA on AA metal.

Yes, we will.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 15):
I think you can also expect a lot of frequency increases as many of the cities served from MIA in the southeast and midwest are only 1-2x daily.

  

Also, among the RJ markets, Columbus, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh really should not be RJs. I think they will eventually go to mainline.

IIRC, SDF has the highest average load factors of the Miami RJ service and is frequently at 90%+ loads. Often times, as you say, they can't send the plane out with a full load.

Markets that might make the most sense include Asheville, Columbia, Greer, and Lexington, as well as returns to Cleveland, Dayton and Northwest Arkansas (especially with last week's opening of Wal-Marts new LatAm HQ in Miami). We won't see them all (at least not this year) - but none of those would shock me.

Though it might be more important to add second frequencies than new markets, especially to Louisville, Memphis and Richmond.

Somethings always kind of surprise me - like how newly launched Birmingham and Charleston are 2x daily, but larger markets like PIT and IND are not? Might be an aircraft utilization issue.

If MQ ever decides to give MIA some CR7s, then Buffalo, Harrisburg, Ottawa and Rochester make a lot of sense.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 20):
Somethings always kind of surprise me - like how newly launched Birmingham and Charleston are 2x daily, but larger markets like PIT and IND are not?

PIT and IND are long and the economics of those flights on an RJ aren't great...putting more RJ's on those routes won't fix that problem. In fact, it could make it worse by diluting yields. CHS and BHM are a bit more reasonable and closer to what is the sweet spot for RJ economics. So though they are smaller markets, they can more favorably fill multiple RJ flights.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9176 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 20):
Yes, we will.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 20):
Also, among the RJ markets, Columbus, Indianapolis and Pittsburgh really should not be RJs. I think they will eventually go to mainline.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 20):
Somethings always kind of surprise me - like how newly launched Birmingham and Charleston are 2x daily, but larger markets like PIT and IND are not? Might be an aircraft utilization issue.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 20):
If MQ ever decides to give MIA some CR7s, then Buffalo, Harrisburg, Ottawa and Rochester make a lot of sense.

All of these highlight AA's painful need for something larger than a CR7 and smaller than a 738



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User currently offlinebigsky09 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9176 times:

Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 18):

I just wanna say welcome to the family!

Thank You so much!

I am hoping for a nonstop from LEX. Any anything extra to SDF is icing on the cake! Most of my family lives in or around the LEX area so that is great!


User currently offlinebatonops From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 747 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

My vote is for MDT-MIA. Service to ORD returns to MDT in April. Hopefully the DFW flights gets added back on as well.

25 Super80DFW : I could see DFW-MDT on a CR7, but not for a while I assume. MIA-TUL makes alot of sense from a maintenance stand-point, but not at all from a demand
26 mah4546 : No, not much, but since planes are going to be shuffled between MIA and TUL anyway, might as well sell tickets and make some revenue. Not sure if its
27 batonops : That's what we use to have and from my understanding the flight did very well. Departed MDT first thing in the morning and returned late evening.
28 rangercarp : Like an MD-80? I think AA has one or two of them around... But you are right, AA needs a 100 seater.
29 USAirALB : Really? Even though WN flies ALB-FLL? I guess it might work on a CR7.
30 HPAEAA : well, don't know if this helps, but top out was 14.50 back in 2005... so far as I know that was tied to the TWU contract with the ramp workers (which
31 GSPSPOT : Hope GSP-MIA is in the mix! Even if there's not an ethnic connection to MIA, there are many past and present Florida residents visiting and spending s
32 Cush : The PIT-MIA and MIA-PIT flights were never really full. Yes, there are the weekend travelers, but overall the route does not demand a CRJ as the EMB1
33 mah4546 : "Were?" AA continues to operate daily MIA-PIT service, and average load factor is in the mid-80's.
34 doug : There will be a second r/j on the MIA-JAX run and I still think that MIA-SNA will happen by years end.
35 mah4546 : Indeed, April 6th. April 6th also sees an one RJ frequency each on MIA-RSW and MIA-NAS. Have you heard anything about that? It would be great, but I
36 USAirALB : My bets: PVD-MIA ALB-MIA SNA-MIA GSP-MIA Could AA reintroduce MIA-MTH?
37 kstateinALB : Just curious as to why you think AA would start up ALB-MIA over ALB-ORD?
38 SANFan : Huh? An interesting idea; based on anything substantial or just wishful thinking? bb
39 BigGSFO : It's been discussed here before and I think there was some validity to it but then the economy went to hell. But AA seems to be thinking about expand
40 doug : Its not wishful thinking the loyal AA fliers in a area of 17 million to draw upon does not hurt it I think it could easily fill a daily 738 not so lon
41 SANFan : Oh I am aware of the past rumors surrounding AUS, SAN and SNA to MIA but I hadn't heard anything about long-haul MIA startups in the past several mon
42 mah4546 : I agree that MIA-SNA could work and that it might be a good way to pick up some ground in the SNA market that AA has given up in the past two years.
43 Post contains links MIASkies : Hmm MIA-SNA before a 4th daily on MIA-SFO? I know they upgraded the schedule through the Summer to 2 daily 763 and 1 Daily 757 but perhaps they could
44 bjorn14 : Really on an RJ? Hmmmmm....
45 doug : No I do not think the r/j has the range maybe a Cessna 150 for the possible MIA-SNA route.Of course Bjorn14 this is clearly a mainline route I did not
46 BHMDiversion : I've heard rumors that BHM will be added to MIA service 1 or 2 times a day. Alos, MQ is talking that they want to bring back the ORD service??? Who kn
47 VIflyer : As for BHM-MIA it is scheduled to start April 6th with 2 dailies. As for ORD there hasn't been any announcements so far. Vi
48 Cubsrule : CLT was 2 daily ER4, 1 daily 738 for a while several years ago. One of the issues with CLT is that it's a bridge city from ORD to MIA for 2 or 3 ER4s
49 USAirALB : No, no, no. I could see ALB-MIA being started along with ALB-ORD. There is enough market there on ALB-South Florida. Even with WN flying 1x ALB-FLL,
50 CALeeIII : What happened to the BHM-ORD service? UA and WN competition too much in the past? AA really does have a hole in their route map out of BHM to the Nor
51 AVLAirlineFreq : Just so we're all clear, you're talking about MTH (Marathon) and not MHT (Manchester). I did a double-take at the idea of flying MIA-MHT in a Saab or
52 MIASkies : [quote=AVLAirlineFreq,reply=51]Just so we're all clear, you're talking about MTH (Marathon) and not MHT (Manchester). I did a double-take at the idea
53 Tommy767 : I think this route would print $$ for AA. Same with MIA-BUF.
54 Cubsrule : Part of the problem is probably that it's not that long a drive to MIA, about three hours. So while MIA-MTH might make sense on the map, there's basi
55 MIASkies : [quote=Cubsrule,reply=54]Part of the problem is probably that it's not that long a drive to MIA, about three hours. So while MIA-MTH might make sense
56 Cubsrule : As you say, though, it's MUCH harder to fill 70 seats than 34.
57 FlyPNS1 : Not only that, but there are some other variables that have changed since AA last served APF. Fuel costs and security costs have risen dramatically s
58 mah4546 : APF is literally this close to returning to the AA network. AA is very interested - wealthy local market. But no free ATRs right now at all. GNV was
59 PSU.DTW.SCE : Part of the problem that limits Eagle expansion at MIA is the lack of aircraft to fly certain routes. There are a number of cities in the upper midwes
60 USAirALB : I can just see locals using it as a local shuttle, for residents who want to go to the mall in MIA and return the same day. Yes, but CO sometimes fli
61 s4popo : Miami to Marathon is around a two-hour drive. I can't see this route working. I'm not even sure that MTH has the facilities for commercial traffic.
62 crosswinds21 : I really doubt this. If AA flew MTH-MIA, the fares on O&D traffic would be astronomical, I can almost guarantee it. The fare structure would prob
63 Post contains images crAAzy : Hmmm ... I think spliting the early morning ORD-MIA flight on a 757 into the following: 1x 738 ORD-MIA and 1x 738 MKE-MIA with the late night MIA-ORD
64 DFWEagle : It would be great to see Miami-Marathon service resume again on American Eagle. Marathon was one of the first destinations that Eagle ever served from
65 FlyPNS1 : I don't think PNS ever had Eagle service to MIA in the past, though it will starting next month. PNS was beyond a viable range for the the Saab340 or
66 Post contains images DFWEagle : Oops, you’re right. I forgot that MIA-PNS hasn’t started yet!
67 AJMIA : I would love to see MIA-MTH as well as flights to MLB, APF, VRB... The only problem is there is not much ATR capacity to go around. The few ATRs that
68 Cubsrule : Part of the problem in JAX is that they need the frequency to compete with WN's 5 daily flights to FLL. FWIW, this is also another reason that mainli
69 sw733 : Is there actually talk of starting Grand Turk? I was under the impression that Grand Turk was more for cruises while Providenciales (PLS) was more fo
70 MaverickM11 : 2x weekly, plus DFWAGS and DFWFAY 2x daily on RJs and AUSJFK mainline
71 mah4546 : FAY was a big surprise. I'm glad to see that AA is adding more service to the Southeast.
72 USPIT10L : I can understand DFWFAY for the military traffic (DFWMHK for Fort Riley, DFWGRK for Fort Hood, DFWLAW for Fort Sill, etc.) but other than the Masters
73 AirNovaBAe146 : What about an early evening ATR flight, in the last departure of the day, to maximize inbound connection possibilities The return from MTH would depa
74 JaxMan19 : Can't AA just put 5x mainline on the JAX-MIA (i.e. 5x 738) to match SW, or is their not enough support for that?
75 Cubsrule : I don't think so. AA is only getting about 60 local passengers per day each way plus whatever connections. That's probably not enough for 5 738s.
76 AJMIA : I think they could do 3x 737 for starters. Well timed for local business and inernational connections the flights would do well. AJMIA
77 Post contains images SANFan : Hmmm, I might tend to agree with you there, Cubbie! Sixty PDEW plus connectors sounds to me like what, maybe half a 738 a day? Perhaps I missed somet
78 mah4546 : The market is 331 PDEW. If AA had a lower cost structure and could effectively compete with Southwest, 4-5x daily 738s would actually probably work v
79 Cubsrule : Agreed - but that's not where we are. How do the CASM of the AT7 and the 738 compare on a route of that length?
80 WA707atMSP : ORD-MSP is also 334 miles, and AA has no trouble filling 6 or 7 738s and MD-80s on this route every day, despite the presence of WN on MDW-MSP, and U
81 aaway : delete - error in posting[Edited 2010-03-06 14:04:00]
82 AJMIA : Some markets perform better when they switch to mainline. Look at how MIA-MCO and MIA-TPA took off after they went mainline. MIA-MCO even had A300s b
83 USAirALB : Some markets dont even thrive until the larger airline comes in. No one flew ALB-BWI on US, there were about 60 local pax each day. WN comes in, and
84 SANFan : I just don't see who's going to fill all those seats 4 or 5 times a day. Filling ATR's is one thing but 148 seats x 4 is about 600 seats a day in a m
85 mah4546 : I'm sure you know AA has a hub in Miami nearing over 300 daily flights. For JAX passengers, MIA is an effective alternative to CLT and ATL, despite t
86 bigsky09 : Does anyone know the break down of mainline and eagle flights out of MIA on a daily basis?
87 mah4546 : This summer is around 240 daily mainline, 60 Eagle.
88 AEroc : Anyone notice some markets that had CR7 service planned for the summer lost it? BUF/ROC are two markets. ROC was scheduled to have CR7 service start a
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