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KLM Summer Schedule 2010  
User currently offlineyazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11386 times:

Little or no change at all, here are some of the main highlights:

MUC/ARN/STR/GOT/EDI increase to 5x Daily
ICN - 6x Weekly (up from 5x)
DXB - 13x Wekly

KLM Summer schedule 2010 shows almost no growth


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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11245 times:

Quoting yazoo (Thread starter):
Little or no change at all, here are some of the main highlights:

MUC/ARN/STR/GOT/EDI increase to 5x Daily
ICN - 6x Weekly (up from 5x)
DXB - 13x Wekly

AMS-EBB will be increased to 5 weekly A332.

Rgs,


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4700 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11245 times:

Quoting yazoo (Thread starter):
Little or no change at all

How about AF on the other hand?

EK413



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User currently offlineyazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
How about AF on the other hand?

Same, a few increases here and there but nothing substantial:

http://empirestatefx.com/airtravel/t...lm-group-schedule-for-summer-2010/



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User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Quoting yazoo (Thread starter):
Little or no change at all,

I see a few big changes in that article
:

- DXB - increasing frequency to 13 weekly flights: six weekly in 330-200 aircraft and seven weekly in 747 combi aircraft.

So no more 777-200 to DXB?

- ATL/NYC - Both Atlanta and New York will be served three times daily

Since when is ATL 3 times daily? It's only 1 daily now right?

- SFO - Introduction of the 777-300



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

Of course, this season there is not much news with respect to destinations, altough there is one new destination: HGH, Hangzhou, China, starting 8 May. It will be served by the 772.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
- DXB - increasing frequency to 13 weekly flights: six weekly in 330-200 aircraft and seven weekly in 747 combi aircraft

Wasn't it 14x weekly in summer 2008?

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
- ATL/NYC - Both Atlanta and New York will be served three times daily
Since when is ATL 3 times daily? It's only 1 daily now right

It's just a matter of full codesharing with DL.

It's now 1x KL and 1x DL, as it has been ever since KL restarted ATL. Since the new ATI for DL-NW-AF-KL was granted, they codeshare on the route. Looking in KLs booking system, it seems like it just continues to operate 1+1 daily, both flights with A332.

AMS-JFK is already 2x KL and 1x DL and will remain the same during the summer, although also here now all 3 flights have the KL-code (compared to last summer season). DL flies the 767, KL a mix of 772 and 744.

Personally, I think it's nice to see that KL+DL apparantly make the routes from the NW of the USA work: AMS-SEA to 10x weekly, PDX to 7x weekly; quite a frequency for these destinations. I assume LH leaving PDX has helped the AMS-flight.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10661 times:

Quote:
In its St Petersburg service, KLM will increase to daily operation from the start of summer 2010. Together with partner airline Rossiya, KLM will then offer twelve weekly flights.

I guess this increase is seasonal only, as AMS-LED is a rather seasonal market.



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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 187 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10511 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 6):
I guess this increase is seasonal only, as AMS-LED is a rather seasonal market.

No, it is not seasonal. KL will continue daily operations through IATA Winter 2010 - 2011.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10501 times:

Quoting MOW (Reply 7):
No, it is not seasonal. KL will continue daily operations through IATA Winter 2010 - 2011.

Interesting, thanks!



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

The increase was made possible after the Netherlands - Russia bilateral was relaxed, allowing more flights between AMS and LED. I'm not sure if AMS-MOW is increased too. KL already codeshares with SU on AMS-SVO, both carriers operate the route 2x daily.

The codesharing between KL and Rossiya was announced together with the new bilateral. Now Rossiya will be integrated into SU, the route now also becomes a Skyteam codeshare route.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10322 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 9):
Now Rossiya will be integrated into SU, the route now also becomes a Skyteam codeshare route.

Nothing is written in stones yet about it (think of the Rosavia project and such).



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10267 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
DXB - increasing frequency to 13 weekly flights: six weekly in 330-200 aircraft and seven weekly in 747 combi aircraft.

I wonder how that capacity compares with 2009 ? I would imagine there will be more seats in total on the DXB route when you include EK's new service starting service in May.


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9990 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 11):
I wonder how that capacity compares with 2009 ? I would imagine there will be more seats in total on the DXB route when you include EK's new service starting service in May.

As quoted in the original text, this change should be in favour for Business travellers, whatever that means. I know they like the A330 business class more then the 777, but I thought the 747 business class was not that popular.?



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User currently offlinepaneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 878 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 6):
I guess this increase is seasonal only, as AMS-LED is a rather seasonal market.

No, it is not seasonal. KL will continue daily operations in Winter 2010 - 2011yond

Quoting joost (Reply 5):
It's now 1x KL and 1x DL, as it has been ever since KL restarted ATL. Since the new ATI for DL-NW-AF-KL was granted, they codeshare on the route. Looking in KLs booking system, it seems like it just continues to operate 1+1 daily, both flights with A332.

According to the article both ATL and JFK will be increasd to thrice daily. DL is reintroducing JFK-AMS after a year absence when switching JFK for EWR. This summer DL will fly both AMS-JFK/EWR daily.

So AMS- ATL will be increased, but I wonder who will fly the addition? As you mentioned it's not in KL's booking system. It does seem like a logical step increasing hub to hub connections however.

Pan


User currently offlineNWA330nut From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 115 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
- SFO - Introduction of the 777-300

So does this mean that the MD-11 will be used for other destinations? or is it an addition?


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8253 times:

So AMS- ATL will be increased, but I wonder who will fly the addition. As you mentioned i

Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 14):
So does this mean that the MD-11 will be used for other destinations? or is it an addition?

The M11 never flew to SFO in Summer, only in Winter.
The 747-400 was always used on SFO, now replaced by a mix of 772 and 77W with the onset of the Summer schedule.


User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

Any news on Almaty? Is it still the same frequency as the previous summer? How is the cargo on that route?

User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 15):
So AMS- ATL will be increased, but I wonder who will fly the addition.

I just checked both delta.com and klm.com and both are still showing just the 2 daily flights.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

No additional flights to LAX?

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7452 times:

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 13):
So AMS- ATL will be increased, but I wonder who will fly the addition?

When I was toying around with vacation ideas in May Delta had a flight departing ATL for AMS around 9pm EST. Is this the second Delta daily?


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6633 times:

With regards to the 3rd ATL flight. I'm sure KL and DL are splitting revenue thus also the number of flights. So they should come to a 50/50 operation on USA and India..

Rumour has it that PBM would be replaced... again..... by the 744.


User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 15):
The M11 never flew to SFO in Summer, only in Winter.

I personally flew EHAM-KSFO on July 16th 2006 with the PH-KCI and on the August 10th 2006 with the KCH and on the 20th with KCB....

rgds

AB



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 13):
So AMS- ATL will be increased, but I wonder who will fly the addition? As you mentioned it's not in KL's booking system. It does seem like a logical step increasing hub to hub connections however
DL will fly twice daily to AMS. DL238/9 and DL174/5 both with A332s. DL 174/5 will operate between June 11th and August 31st. The flight will arrive at AMS around 14:45 and leave AMS at 17:20 if the slot request is correct

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 18):
No additional flights to LAX?

Not foreseen at the moment. Only a daily 747 planned (3 full pax and 4 Combi)

[Edited 2010-03-04 10:01:27]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Hope they extend DXB service to Karachi someday.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting yazoo (Thread starter):
Little or no change at all, here are some of the main highlights

And you forget KLMs new destination Hangzhou (to be operated from May 8th 3 times weekly with a 777).


25 Post contains links yazoo : By the way, I found this interesting drawing of what Schiphol might look like in 2020, can anyone tell us what (if any) part of this illustration has
26 kl911 : Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I believe the gates in the bottom on the otherside of the highway is likely to be build. I don't think however
27 hardiwv : Very interesting...thanks. This is a big mistake. My opinion. Rgs,
28 AA B777-200 : Okay, the H-apron/terminal has been planned for quite some years now, so since the space is there, I think that would work. I just wonder if it isn't
29 aircellist : Pity I don't have a scanner at hand... I have here the Schipholland No 8 from june 1989... With a picture of the then-proposed Shiphol for 2003. I see
30 DTWLAX : Will KLM start AMS-BOM? I know DL operates the route, but can they fill a second flight on certain days?
31 LJ : KL can't operate more flights between The Netherlands and India then they currently do. Furthermore, Skyteam (and thus AF/KL) does not focus on India
32 airbuster : Why is that? Because since they dropped HYD, wich was 4/5 flights a week they were only left with 7x DEL. So is the indian government giving destinat
33 joost : They can. There are 21 weekly frequencies between India and the Netherlands for each country. KL currently uses 14 of them (7x codeshare on DL and 7x
34 LJ : I just did a search and to my suprise the Dutch-India avaition treaty has been revised a few years ago. Dutch airlines now have 21 flights (which use
35 LJ : Not entirely correct. AF/KL, DL and the other Skyteam airlines do have a global strategy. This global strategy is "the Skyteam strategy" and it's the
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