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Lufthansa In Talks With Air China On Star Alliance  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Lufthansa AG is in talks with Air China about it joining the Star Alliance, a German government official said.

The Chinese carrier could join the alliance in 2004, the official said on Sunday.

Transport Minister Kurt Bodewig, on a business trip to China, plans to discuss the issue on Tuesday with Chinese government officials and the German airline's corporate policy head, Ulrich Schulte-Strathaus.

Star Alliance is a group of airlines including UAL 's United Airlines, Singapore Airlines (Singapore: SIAL.SI - news) , Lufthansa, Air Canada , and Mexicana Airlines.

Bodewig told journalists that Lufthansa is eager to expand its cooperation with Air China. He said the liberalisation and globalisation of air transport markets made it essential for airlines to cooperate more closely.

Lufthansa and Air China have had an aircraft maintenance and engineering cooperation alliance since 1989.


Source: Yahoo! Singapore


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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Forgot to add this: Any Comments?  Smile

User currently offlineGuerosinfe From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Damn it.The article don't remeber VARIG as part of Star Alliance.

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

They also missed the other airline members in STAR, not only VARIG, they also missed Austrian, bmi....etc

User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Hmm, why Air China? Why not China Eastern or China Southern? At least they have better reputation and newer aircrafts! I think Air China sux big time, my friend flew on it and she said the service is horrible and the aircraft is dirty and old. Also I remember reading an article on airliners saying that someone saw a croch on Air China's aircraft?! Hmmm... I hope they will improve their services, at least not with a crappy website...
By the way, why don't they choose any Taiwan airlines? Is it becoz of the political reason again?  Sad Errr, sorry I think I've talked too much but I just HATE Air China... But then of course, ppl have their own opinion.
Regards,
Wolfy


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

I think Political reason might play a big part. Also, China Airlines and EVA Airways are trying to find their position in either One World/STAR/Skyteam.

First of all, One World. CI/BR will having a hard time to find their position, you got CX in HKG right besides Taiwan, and JAL (which might join Oneworld) above/besides Taiwan. It won't make any sense for one of them to join One World.

STAR Alliance. Star already have 3 members in Asia, and their route network almost covers BR/CI's route structure in Asia.

Skyteam. CI/BR don't have relationships with the members of this alliance.

The reason why Star is eyeing Air China, because it seems like China Eastern is close to One World (relationships with AA) while China Southern is close to Skyteam (w/ Delta). Also, when China's Airline finishes their grouping, I think Air China has the most extensive routes domestically and internationally. That's one of the adventage for STAR if Air China joins them.


User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Thx for ur info and such a great analysis!  Smile
I guess another very important factor to consider is that after they allow non stop flts between Taiwan and Mainland China, which airline will be first granted the rights to fly routes such as TPE-PEK or TPE-SHA, I'm sure these routes will be so profitable! Currently most ppl who travel between those places go via HKG with Dragonair or CX, and it brings them a lot of $$$!
Just a thought.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
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Wolfy--Somebody saw a "croch" on the plane? Do you mean a crotch? What kind of crotch?

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Sounds like my kind of airline then!  Big grin

User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

i wonder why they leave out so many airlines in the alliance???? was the writer too lazy to type them all out?????

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User currently offlineJames768 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Air China is the best-managed airline of all the Chinese Big Three. It has the most homogenous fleet and is the only one with Beijing as its main hub. Wolfy - if you think Air China ain't too good, just try some of the others!!!
On the point about Taiwan - yep it would be politically disasterous to go in with a Taiwanese airline (and let's face it China Airlines hardly has a perfect safety record either). Anyone who did link up with a Taiwanese carrier could - I'm afraid to say - find themselves banned from what will probably be the world's fastest growing aviation market over the next few years. That's politics.


User currently offlineJames768 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Air China is the best-managed airline of all the Chinese Big Three. It has the most homogenous fleet and is the only one with Beijing as its main hub. Wolfy - if you think Air China ain't too good, just try some of the others!!!
On the point about Taiwan - yep it would be politically disasterous to go in with a Taiwanese airline (and let's face it China Airlines hardly has a perfect safety record either). Anyone who did link up with a Taiwanese carrier could - I'm afraid to say - find themselves banned from what will probably be the world's fastest growing aviation market over the next few years. That's politics.


User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Yeah, thx for ur post. As I have mentionned, ppl have their own opinions, and what I have said is just my own thought, no offense!  Smile CI doesn't have a good safe record, that I agree, but Air China is not much better I think. And dun worry, I AM flying other airlines, no only in the past, it will be the same in the future!  Smile But I wanna try China Eastern/Southern though!
Cheers!


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

i might be wrong, but if memory serves correctly, doesn´t air china belong to one of the few airlines, which have never had any major accident???
i´ve often read that air china, before star, would have to heavily improve service standards, and that is something the star members have already recognized. given the fact, that the article mentions 2004 as possbiel date when air china could enter star suggests that air china must undergo some improvements.

i think star is spurting air china because LH has already a major code-share with air china, a longstanding maintenance relationship (i beleive HAECO, beijing)...
however, air china has also a major partnership with northwest...

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

I think China Southern is better with their big planes and USA routes. Very good airline. Some European routes would be appreciated though. Service in all Chinese airlines (Ex. CXA) should be improved. You don't really hear a Chinese airline and "good service" in the same sentence!


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User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Air China has never had an fatal accident or even a writeoff in its international operations. However, dometically, the old CAAC (the monolithic Chinese airline prior to the breakup) was a totally different story.

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Jesus, how many airlines does Star want to have?!! Many pundits already think Star has become too cumbersome. Also don't forget that Singapore, Thai, and ANA already provide a huge Asian presence, although none of them is a China based airline. I personally hope like hell Thai hauls ass out of Star (they are truly the stepchild with Singapore in the alliance) and they go with Sky Team (my first preference) or Oneworld (my second preference).

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

I think there are some space for 2-3 airlines to join STAR.

One of them will be China, of course. Cause Most Star members only flies into the big cities like Shanghai, Beijing...etc or secondary cities (eg. Shenyang, Xiamen...etc)

The other available regions are India-Subcontinent/Middle East and Africa/Middle East.

And since Lauda's brand will have a possibility to be absorbed by Austrian, Air NZ and Ansett are almost a "Airline", The number of airline member will decreases in STAR.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

well, as Jilm1126 already stated, the board of ANZ an AN is one and the same, and the same thing counts with lauda air, tyrolean and austrian. although lauda air is not completely owned by austrian (yet), all three airlines comprise the austrian airlines aviation group.
although there are 15 different airlines in star, there are only 12 different boards...
however, that still is a lot and i do think as well that star must be very careful about additional members...

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Does this means that STAR don't need any Asian members, after Air China joins Star?

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

well, just recently, i believe it was jürgen weber or someone else, mentioned that star will not grow anymore than just by two, perhaps three carriers.
they´re looking at the chinese markets, and the indian market. so look for additional star members in these regions.
in addition, there might be a partner in a few years in africa or the middle east which are the only regions which are not extensively covered by any star member. if they need to be covered by an own airline, yet, remains to be seen.
however, i do hope that star is only going to look for smaller members because it is already so big. qatar airways, which already codeshares with LH, could fit in nicely, i suppose. a small carrier with a high reputation and serving the most important cities and routes in the middle east.
so i do think that star will have two airlines from at least the chinese and the indian market join and so, there would be additional asian star members...
air china seems to be the most probable future member and whatever happens within the next couple years, well, we´ll just have to wait and see..

rgds
daniel



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
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