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BD To Operate More LH Flts At LHR  
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9806 times:

Not sure if this has been posted here already .... but from March 28, BD will take over a number of LH flights out of LHR. These include all flights to CGN with BD operating an extra service (on behalf of LH) between LHR and HAM. There will also be an extra flight between LHR and TXL (this route is already flown by BD for LH).

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...to-take-over-more-lufthansa-routes

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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9752 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter):
Not sure if this has been posted here already .... but from March 28, BD will take over a number of LH flights out of LHR. These include all flights to CGN with BD operating an extra service (on behalf of LH) between LHR and HAM. There will also be an extra flight between LHR and TXL (this route is already flown by BD for LH).

Good for BMI. Will they be able to sell these flights through flybmi.com? It does seem increasingly that BMI are just becoming a codeshare operator and their own brand will just disappear!

What is actually happening in their management. I got an email from their customer relations manager apologising if an email they had sent me (that I didn't get) had caused offence? WTF!

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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

So as well as MXP, GVA and VIE bmi are doing alot of work for LH and Star carriers, if it is making them money then good for them. Ive also heard a rumour of a LHR-DRS link.

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9656 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 2):
Ive also heard a rumour of a LHR-DRS link.

That would make sense, if it happens. Since BA pulled off the route (it used to fly LGW-DRS until a year or so ago) flight prices to DRS (Dresden) are quite expensive and a plane change is needed. No other airlines, including LCCs, serve DRS from the UK.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter):
There will also be an extra flight between LHR and TXL (this route is already flown by BD for LH).

Unlike the current 3 flights, this 4th flight will be a 'normal' bmi flight as opposed to a wet lease



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5168 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

and bad news for AMS which loses BD service.

User currently onlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 5):
and bad news for AMS which loses BD service.

I'd hardly call it bad news... The London to Amsterdam route has almost too much capacity due to the number of legacy and LCCs operating from LHR, STN, LGW, LTN and LCY...



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User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6):
I'd hardly call it bad news... The London to Amsterdam route has almost too much capacity due to the number of legacy and LCCs operating from LHR, STN, LGW, LTN and LCY...

True, but BD has/had oneway fares and KL not. A big difference for me for example.



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9317 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6):
I'd hardly call it bad news... The London to Amsterdam route has almost too much capacity due to the number of legacy and LCCs operating from LHR, STN, LGW, LTN and LCY...

Indeed, AMS-LHR will still be served 18x daily from 30 March; 11x daily KL and 7x daily BA.

Additionally:
AMS-LGW: 4xBA, 4xU2
AMS-LCY: 4xBA, 9xVG
AMS-STN: 3xU2
AMS-LTN: 3xU2

Combining to 45 daily flights between both cities. It's not hard to imagine that BD struggled to make money on the route.

Of course, BD could also feed onto StarAlliance flights on the route, but typically, flights on AC or SA were routes via FRA rather than via LHR. CO, UA and US of course fly into AMS directly, so it doesn't make much sense there routing pax via (expensive) LHR.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Unlike the current 3 flights, this 4th flight will be a 'normal' bmi flight as opposed to a wet lease

What's the logic behind such a choice?


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

Wouldnt the 4th daily to TXL be better off as a wet lease to LH? Cant imagine many people will go to flybmi for a flight to Berlin! Would this slot not be better of on DUB which is going down to 4 daily at least the BD brand is well known here.

User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1091 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 8):
Indeed, AMS-LHR will still be served 18x daily from 30 March; 11x daily KL and 7x daily BA.

Additionally:
AMS-LGW: 4xBA, 4xU2
AMS-LCY: 4xBA, 9xVG
AMS-STN: 3xU2
AMS-LTN: 3xU2

Combining to 45 daily flights between both cities

That is bloody amazing!



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9157 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 9):
Wouldnt the 4th daily to TXL be better off as a wet lease to LH? Cant imagine many people will go to flybmi for a flight to Berlin

Well, for booking, it doesn't really matter as all flights have both LH and BD flight numbers. All flights are bookable via lufthansa.com and flybmi.com.

On the lufthansa website, there is no difference between the wet-lease and codeshare flights; they are all displayed with the StarAlliance logo (instead of the Lufthansa logo) and "operated by bmi" is written below.

On the bmi website, there is a difference: the BD3256/7, that's operated by bmi themselves, is shown as "Operating airline: bmi, aircraft owner: bmi"; the other flights as "Operating airline: Lufthansa, aircraft owner: bmi".

Apparantly, it's just a matter of internal accounting within the Lufthansa group. (who's billing who).


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9136 times:

Quoting joost (Reply 8):
What's the logic behind such a choice?

I'm guessing LH don't have enough work for another wet leased aircraft but want a 4th daily TXL-LHR flight. So to avoid a bmi aircraft doing 'bmi' flying in the morning and 'LH' flying in the evening, the aircraft does 'bmi' flying all day. Though as I said this is just a guess

[Edited 2010-03-03 06:29:31]


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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Will the forth flights also be operated on an bmi A319?


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 7):
True, but BD has/had oneway fares and KL not.

BA has one way fares!

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 2):
So as well as MXP, GVA and VIE bmi are doing alot of work for LH and Star carriers, if it is making them money then good for them. Ive also heard a rumour of a LHR-DRS link.

Well for the finances it is good but I don't know how good is that for the BD brand and personnel. The wet leases use LH crews and this whole use of BD for OS, LX, LH or SN will somehow weaken the brand. It also means that Star Aliiance will have less destinations out of LHR (which is turn is good for BA).



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User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

As far as Im aware Air Malta the wet leases use BD crew. The only and strange difference is the bmi aircraft are fitted with LH interior.

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8264 times:

Looks like more positioning by LH to utilse the BD assets (LHR slots, A319s/A320s and crew) to reinforce Star operations in Europe between LHR and LH Group hubs. If this makes BD (and LH) more money than the mish-mash of routes that BD was reduced to operating then that's a good thing.

LH still doesn't seem to have worked out (or at least publically announced) what the longer term plan for BD is. If a big chunk of flying is to be to bolster Star in Europe from LHR then I suppose at some point LH will want to bring the BD product (interiors and service) in line with LH (for whom the majority of flying seems to be for). It still remains to be seen what will happen with the former BMED routes, plus the medium haul ones BD launched on the back of the BMED purchase.

If LH wanted to really promote Star we could even see the BD aircraft all repainted into Star Alliance colours, and that would allow BD to operate flights for the Star partners with less confusion about mixed brands.



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User currently offlineiainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 3):
flight prices to DRS (Dresden) are quite expensive and a plane change is needed.

I regularly pay upwards of €300 for BHX-XXX-DRS even booking three or four months out. I have to go to DRS twice a year and dates are usually confirmed about 3 months before. This year has seen the better BHX-DRS connections (and none of them are wonderful) at above €400. Given the connections, even Heathrow-hating me might consider a LHR-DRS.

BRE is another wince worthy one, but oddly enough BHX-DUS-HAM is often available for €150 as a U-fare.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 15):
As far as Im aware Air Malta the wet leases use BD crew. The only and strange difference is the bmi aircraft are fitted with LH interior.

I believe that LH provides the catering for these LHR-TXL flights and this is superior to BD's offering.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 16):
If a big chunk of flying is to be to bolster Star in Europe from LHR then I suppose at some point LH will want to bring the BD product (interiors and service) in line with LH (for whom the majority of flying seems to be for).

If BD doesn't provide the LH business class standard (ie a 2-2 layout) on these flights (particularly those to CGN and HAM where passengers are used to LH standards) then LH can expect complaints from passengers who will resent being seated 3-3 for the high business class fares they are paying.


User currently offlineLHFADUS From Germany, joined Apr 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

Oh, I see this one coming........after Lufthansa Italia, what'll it be....? Perhaps we'll have Lufthansa UK in the not so distant future?

Or wouldn't the acceptance among the British people be high enough for a "German brand"?


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7163 times:
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Will the inflight product be up to LH's standards or will it continue to be the LCC type style BD has on offer for intra-Europe flights?

User currently offlineiainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 18):
I believe that LH provides the catering for these LHR-TXL flights and this is superior to BD's offering.

BD's gone downhill if the LH "meat not pork" sandwich is superior.



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User currently offlineiainbhx From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 19):
Or wouldn't the acceptance among the British people be high enough for a "German brand"?

Lufthansa Großbritannien, surely  

The outrage bus will be full, probably egged on by the Daily (Hate) Mail, however, get the product right and the planes will be full as well. LH seems to do well enough out of BHX and MAN.



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User currently offlineCptRegionalJet From Germany, joined Oct 2007, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6420 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 19):
Oh, I see this one coming........after Lufthansa Italia, what'll it be....? Perhaps we'll have Lufthansa UK in the not so distant future?

Or wouldn't the acceptance among the British people be high enough for a "German brand"?

I would love to see the british tabloid's press reply on this one     


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting LHFADUS (Reply 19):
Or wouldn't the acceptance among the British people be high enough for a "German brand"?

BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, VWs etc. seem popular enough in the UK and we are "happy" to have our airports owned and run by the Spanish, so I doubt "LHUK" would be received too badly.

(After all, BA is about to become IBUK   )



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25 TFFIP : (and other comments) G-DBCA and CB refitted to LH interior cabins, with 2x2 business class using the new(ish?) pull down console table from the B/E s
26 AirNZ : What do you mean KL doesn't have/had never one way fares? Of course they do! Are you sure, because a wet lease normally involves the crew of the airl
27 DeltAirlines : Yes, but as a SkyTeam Elite Plus and Star Alliance Gold frequent flyer (and no status on oneworld), I have no personal use for flying BA. I've been a
28 LHFADUS : Not wanting to lead this thread into any political direction, sorry if you or anybody else was offended by my comment. I was rather trying to take it
29 FlyCaledonian : What's left of BD at LHR to rebrand though? Flights to DUB, BHD, GLA, EDI, ABZ, MAN, HAJ, CGN, VIE, DME, plus the remains of the BMED flights and the
30 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Perhas that could pave the way for the long talked about VS/BD merger where the new carrier is branded as "Virgin Lust" ?
31 joost : Of course they offer one-way fares, but what's meant is that KLM still uses the classic pricing model of minimum stay requirements, etc. Also, one-wa
32 7LBAC111 : Correct. The LHR fares are loaded as such. the 'R' after the fare identifying this as a return fare only. FARES LAST UPDATED 05MAR 1318 >FDLHRAMS0
33 RebelDJ : It's interesting that fares between CGN & LHR on lufthansa.com are cheaper than those on flybmi.com for flights using BD machinery.
34 AirNZ : Thanks for your explanations, but that was not the argument. The poster stated that KLM do NOT/NEVER DID offer one-way fares. Such is absolutely ludi
35 kiwiandrew : I have to disagree with you on this , I tend to be quite wary of statements involving the unqualified use of "all" and "any" and in this case your bl
36 EDICHC : I'm curious about this and perhaps realise that I may offend some here, which is truly not my intent, as it raises issues going back to WW2. Is there
37 fd728 : Hi EDICHC, as a "Dresdner" I can assure you that no issues from the past influence the lack of a LON-DRS link. The daily BA flight that stopped a year
38 Viscount724 : Not correct. Check AC fares within North America, both domestic and Canada-USA. The return fare is always the sum of the applicable one way fares. Yo
39 LondonCity : That will be good news, if it happens. Right now the only direct flight from the UK to E Germany (with the exception of Berlin) is the Ryanair servic
40 EDICHC : Thanks for the insight there. I have been fortunate enough to visit Dresden just once a good few years ago, unfortunately it was not a very long visi
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