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OAG Changes 3/5/2010: 9K/B6/DL/F9/FL/UA/YX  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8922 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos, there was a lot to type...

9K
HPN-LEB 0>2 APR-

B6
BOS-CLT 3>4 JUL-SEP
JFK-MBJ 1>2 MAY-SEP
JFK-PWM 4>5 JUL-SEP

DL
ATL-OKC 7>6 JUN-AUG
ATL-PNS 10>9 APR-OCT
BGR-BOS 1>0 JUN-SEP
CVG-BWI 3>4 JUN-AUG
CVG-IAD 2>3 JUN-AUG
DTW-YYG 1>0 JUN-AUG
JFK-YYG 0>1 JUN-AUG
JFK-ACK 0>2 JUN-SEP
JFK-BTV 3>4 MAY-
JFK-ROC 3>4 MAY-
JFK-SYR 3>4 MAY-
MSP-RIC 0>1 JUN-AUG
MSP-ROC 0>1 JUN-AUG

Wondering why DL added back feeder flights at JFK. Possibly related to delay of DL/US LGA deal.

F9
DEN-ASE 4>3 SEP-

FL
ATL-ABE 0>1 MAY-SEP
ATL-BOS 5>6 MAY-
ATL-CLT 4>3 MAY-
ATL-DAY 4>3 MAY-
ATL-FLL 7>8 MAY-
ATL-FNT 4>3 SEP-
ATL-IND 4>3 AUG-
ATL-MCO 4>3 AUG-
ATL-MDT 0>1 MAY-SEP
ATL-SAT 4>3 MAY-
ATL-SRQ 3>2 MAY-
BOS-MCO 1>0 MAY-
BWI-FLL 4>3 MAY-
BWI-MKE 3>2 MAY-
BWI-SAT 0>1 MAY-SEP
CAK-LGA 2>3 MAY-
CLT-MCO 2/WK>1 MAY-
DSM-MCO 2/WK>3/WK MAY-AUG
FLL-MDT 3/WK>0 MAY-
FLL-MKE 1>1/WK MAY-
ICT-MCO 0>1/WK MAY-SEP
IND-RSW 4>3 MAY-
MCO-MCI 1>4/WK MAY-
MCO-MSP 1>0 MAY-
MCO-PWM 2/WK>1/WK
MCO-SAT 0>1 MAY-SEP
MCO-TYS 4>WK>1 MAY-
MDW-RSW 2>1 MAY-
MKE-RSW 15/WK>8/WK MAY-
MKE-SAN 1>0 SEP-
MKE-SEA 2>1 SEP-
PIT-RSW 2>1 MAY-
PIT-TPA 1>0 MAY-
TPA-AVL 0>4/WK MAY-

G4
FWA-MYR 0>2/WK APR-

NK
ACY-DTW 0>1 MAY-

UA
DEN-PHX 6>7 JUN-AUG
DEN-TUL 4>5 JUN-AUG
IAD-LAX 8>9 JUN-AUG
IAD-ORD 8>7 JUN-AUG
LAX-BFL 3>2 JUN-
LAX-IPL 1>2 JUN-
LAX-PSP 7>6 JUN-AUG
LAX-RNO 2>3 JUN-AUG
LAX-YUM 3>4 JUN-AUG
ORD-BDL 5>6 JUN-AUG
ORD-BTV 3>4 JUN-AUG
ORD-DAY 6>7 JUN-AUG
ORD-GRR 6>7 JUN-AUG
ORD-GSO 4>5 JUN-AUG
ORD-IAH 5>4 JUN-
ORD-SDF 10>11 JUN-AUG
ORD-SFO 10>11 JUN-AUG
SFO-MSO 0>1 JUN-
SFO-OTH 2>3 JUN-AUG
SFO-SLC 5>4 JUN-

W2
EWR-KEF 0>4/WK JUN-AUG

W3
JFK-LOS 0>3/WK APR-

WS
ACY-YYZ 1>2/WK MAY-

YX
CMH-MCI 0>1 MAY-
MSY-MCI 0>1 MAY-

ZK
DEN-BIL 0>1 APR- (Reverses earlier drop)
BIL-SDY 1>2 APR-
DIK-SDY 2>1 APR-
ISN-DIK 1>2 APR-

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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

Hurrah for MSP-RIC!!


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wondering why DL added back feeder flights at JFK. Possibly related to delay of DL/US LGA deal.

It was discussed in last week's thread. DL, B6, and AA voluntarily cut back on some of their flights at JFK due to the runway closure scheduled to be completed in June. This is probably just capacity that is being added back once the runway issue is resolved.

[Edited 2010-03-03 17:56:23]


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 2):

It was discussed in last week's thread. DL, B6, and AA voluntarily cut back on some of their flights at JFK due to the runway closure scheduled to be completed in June. This is probably just capacity that is being added back once the runway issue is resolved.

I'm doubting that for a couple of reasons. First, the flights resume in May, and second wouldn't they have only canceled flights during the period of the runway closure in the first place.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Thank you for the thread Enilria. It's a great example the way that you give back to the forum each week.

-Dave



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

BOS-CLT 3>4 JUL-SEP
JFK-MBJ 1>2 MAY-SEP
JFK-PWM 4>5 JUL-SEP

BOS-CLT to 4x? That's amazing - it's about time B6 shows its commitment to large business routes out of Boston. Weird that it only operates 1x over the winter though. Hopefully they can at least maintain 2x next winter, if not 3x. I could see the same thing happening for BOS-RDU.

No surprises that JFK-MBJ is going up to 2x. It was originally supposed to be 10x/wk, but it was such a stellar performer last summer - 2x can easily be supported. Also, isn't JM pulling down capacity? As for JFK-PWM, it used to operate 6x. It's not a huge market, so 5x is still impressive.

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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-CLT 4>3 MAY-

FL has reduced this flight over the years, I guess CLT isn't doing that well for them


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

HPN-LEB? Is there a market that I'm not aware of for that? Talk about a shocker..

-A



What now?
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 5):
I could see the same thing happening for BOS-RDU

Could u see additional FLL flights? That 1x is a bit.. low. N'est pas?



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

DL certainly has a lot to be happy about with some of the FL changes:

-MCO-MSP going away will be big for that route, even though Sun Country will still be on it. Always wondered how FL could compete against multiple 757-300s
-ATL-FNT/CLT/DAY were all markets DL upgraded to DC-9-50 aircraft. Did that scare away FL? Interesting given the timing of both airlines
-The discontinuation of MKE-SAN and reduction of MKE-SEA (in Sept) will certainly help DL on east coast and MKE traffic to those cities via DTW and MSP
-ATL-MCO/SAT are awfully big markets to only have a 3x daily presence. Should help DL's pricing power on those routes somewhat


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
-ATL-MCO/SAT are awfully big markets to only have a 3x daily presence. Should help DL's pricing power on those routes somewhat

3x on atl-mco.. can that even be right?


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
-MCO-MSP going away will be big for that route, even though Sun Country will still be on it. Always wondered how FL could compete against multiple 757-300s

I don't think it will have much of an effect on the route at all because of SY. I'm guessing FL is making MSP-MCO seasonal though, not completely dropped. It's actually FL's longest route out of MCO so I'm not surprised to see it go away/seasonal.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
-ATL-FNT/CLT/DAY were all markets DL upgraded to DC-9-50 aircraft. Did that scare away FL? Interesting given the timing of both airlines

I doubt it "scared" FL but maybe it influenced them. FL doesn't really win passengers over on frequency so less seats may help the loads and yields. Without a doubt though, DL is a factor in a lot of FL decisions.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
-The discontinuation of MKE-SAN and reduction of MKE-SEA (in Sept) will certainly help DL on east coast and MKE traffic to those cities via DTW and MSP

MKE-SAN has been seasonal every summer, it's not being dropped. Same with the second daily SEA. It seems like a bit of a stretch to say these flights have any real effect on DL in DTW and MSP.

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
-ATL-MCO/SAT are awfully big markets to only have a 3x daily presence. Should help DL's pricing power on those routes somewhat
Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
3x on atl-mco.. can that even be right?

He meant to type ATL-MCI. ATL-MCO will be 10x daily. Again it seems like a stretch to say one less FL flight in these markets will make a huge impact on DL's pricing power. DL already gets a fare premium on basically every route anyway.



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User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6142 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

It's about time UA starts SFO-MSO. The additional OTH flight will be very welcomed as the loads are very good on this route as well.

Also, nice to see CAK-LGA going 3 daily with FL. This is the first time it's been 3 daily, correct?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9
DEN-ASE 4>3 SEP-

A lot to do with the L3 operation coming to a close & selling the Q400's, as was discussed in the Frontier threads.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 12):
Also, nice to see CAK-LGA going 3 daily with FL. This is the first time it's been 3 daily, correct?

I believe so. CAK is a perfect example of what a small airport within reach of a major city needs to do to get and retain a LCC.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Could u see additional FLL flights? That 1x is a bit.. low. N'est pas?

RDU-FLL is lucky to get 1x on B6...CLT-FLL will only operate seasonally (winter/spring) this year. I think that RDU could potentially see a flight to MCO - especially if B6 continues to expand its Caribbean connections.

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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA
DEN-PHX 6>7 JUN-AUG
DEN-TUL 4>5 JUN-AUG
IAD-LAX 8>9 JUN-AUG
IAD-ORD 8>7 JUN-AUG
LAX-BFL 3>2 JUN-
LAX-IPL 1>2 JUN-
LAX-PSP 7>6 JUN-AUG
LAX-RNO 2>3 JUN-AUG
LAX-YUM 3>4 JUN-AUG
ORD-BDL 5>6 JUN-AUG
ORD-BTV 3>4 JUN-AUG
ORD-DAY 6>7 JUN-AUG
ORD-GRR 6>7 JUN-AUG
ORD-GSO 4>5 JUN-AUG
ORD-IAH 5>4 JUN-
ORD-SDF 10>11 JUN-AUG
ORD-SFO 10>11 JUN-AUG
SFO-MSO 0>1 JUN-
SFO-OTH 2>3 JUN-AUG
SFO-SLC 5>4 JUN-

Im kind of surprised that UA does't fly IAD to SDF or OMA ...what else makes me wonder why they don't fly MSP, MEM, or MKE from IAD??? Do they have something against servine mid west cities from IAD? I'm sure 1 or 2 flights a day to connect to the Europe, and S. American traffic could be filled, ever if they are express flights.

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
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Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 16):
MSP, MEM, or MKE from IAD???

UA use to fly IAD-MSP 2x daily with a Shuttle America E170, but that was dropped a couple years ago IIRC.



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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 17):
UA use to fly IAD-MSP 2x daily with a Shuttle America E170, but that was dropped a couple years ago IIRC.

Sucks they still don't fly it...they do almost hourly service to ORD and the planes are almost always full...Can't imagine why IAD can't work.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 6):
FL has reduced this flight over the years, I guess CLT isn't doing that well for them

While FL has become perfectly content to lose money some places (like MKE), their CLT strategy is classic "old FL:" fool with frequencies without end. When they dropped CLT-MCO, it was one of the better-performing routes ex-MCO, then they went 2x/week, and now it's daily. ATL is just as schizophrenic.

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 16):
I'm sure 1 or 2 flights a day to connect to the Europe, and S. American traffic could be filled, ever if they are express flights.

MKE/MSP passengers can make the vast majority of those connections just as easily over ORD.



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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
MKE/MSP passengers can make the vast majority of those connections just as easily over ORD.

Right now they can only make LHR, FRA, MUC, AMS, & CDG to Europe, and only GRU in S. America...It also leaves out flights to the Middle East and soon Africa. So you leave out FCO, BRU and DME in Europe, GIG & EZE in S. America, KWI, DXB and soon BAH & ACC...No offence but I would rather UA start a flight to MKE or MSP direct over COS, Who wants to spends almost 4 hours on a CRJ-700 ???

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 6):
FL has reduced this flight over the years, I guess CLT isn't doing that well for them

In fact, their current schedule shows only 2 daily flights from CLT-ATL from May onwards. Perhaps this is just an anomaly and will be updated/corrected this weekend, but if not, it will represent a new low in daily departures between the two cities for FL (high of 5 daily at one point).

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
While FL has become perfectly content to lose money some places (like MKE), their CLT strategy is classic "old FL:" fool with frequencies without end. When they dropped CLT-MCO, it was one of the better-performing routes ex-MCO, then they went 2x/week, and now it's daily. ATL is just as schizophrenic.

If CLT-MCO was indeed one of their better routes out of MCO, then why hasn't it been daily this whole time???

[Edited 2010-03-03 21:31:43]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 9):
DL certainly has a lot to be happy about with some of the FL changes:
-The discontinuation of MKE-SAN and reduction of MKE-SEA (in Sept) will certainly help DL on east coast and MKE traffic to those cities via DTW and MSP
Quoting FL787 (Reply 11):
MKE-SAN has been seasonal every summer, it's not being dropped.

Of more importance, IMHO, is the fact that YX just last week announced SAN-MKE, also seasonal but starting in mid-April and going (at least) through mid-November, a good 3-4 months longer than FL's "seasonal" period for the route! I think DL will be a long-shot to carry much MKE-SAN traffic until both n/s end.

I noticed that SAN-ATL was not listed as being discontinued by FL in Sept along with SAN-MKE; I would guess that was just missed in the analysis.

bb


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 22):
I noticed that SAN-ATL was not listed as being discontinued by FL in Sept along with SAN-MKE; I would guess that was just missed in the analysis.

Thats because FL is going to keep SAN-ATL until 11/3 (at least according to the web site). Seeing that they are (as of now) only going to do one flight a day on the route, and the return to ATL is a redeye, it could likely end before that. If 11/3 is the end date for 2010 for FL in SAN, I would think that will show up closer to November.


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 16):
Im kind of surprised that UA does't fly IAD to SDF or OMA ...what else makes me wonder why they don't fly MSP, MEM, or MKE from IAD??? Do they have something against servine mid west cities from IAD? I'm sure 1 or 2 flights a day to connect to the Europe, and S. American traffic could be filled, ever if they are express flights.

Just my 0.02

With the exception of IAD-OMA, UAX has flown all of the flights you suggested quite recently. Remember, IAD is not a big O&D market from cities that are inside the DCA perimeter. So, most folks to/from the smaller markets like OMA, MKE, and MEM will just take the more convenient flights into DCA instead. That's why we are seeing IAD-COS come online - COS is outside the DCA perimeter and cannot be served from there. I think we saw IAD-NAS fail because it too can be served from DCA, while all of the other Caribbean flights (MBJ, PUJ, SXM, etc.) stuck around. That said, I am surprised UA has never tried IAD-SLC, IAD-HNL, or seasonal IAD-ANC flights. I also think YVR should be resumed and maybe even YYC could work.



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25 knope2001 : CAK-LGA started in 2003 as twice daily, but from summer 2003 on it was three daily nonstops (year round) until fall of 2006. In 2007 and 2008 it was
26 WA707atMSP : I still think it's only a matter of time before WN adds this route, and MSP-TPA / RSW.
27 tjwgrr : Who is W2?
28 Post contains images enilria : I was surprised that B6 can fly that 4x daily, just as FL is cutting back CLT to their major hub. EAS B.S. Could be seasonal, but with FL seasonal is
29 JFKLGANYC : "Wondering why DL added back feeder flights at JFK. Possibly related to delay of DL/US LGA deal." You should read the thread you started last week. A
30 enilria : UPDATE: FlyWoosh went out of business and the code was just reallocated to god know who.
31 C767P : FL has only flown to SAN in the winter once, that was the winter of 2008 to/from ATL. Since SAN-MKE started in 2008 it has been seasonal, starting ri
32 kgaiflyer : This makes *no* sense. Everything I've flown on IAD-ORD / ORD-IAD is full -- including 6am and 9pm each direction. Is the fleet mix changing? For ins
33 FlyPNS1 : It's called adjusting to market conditions. The nimble survive. There are many routes where WN and B6 frequencies vary significantly by season as wel
34 JCarv : Not sure if the airline code is correct. This is Iceland Express operated by Astraeus Airlines. Code 5W. It is to be operated with a B-757-200.
35 Cubsrule : What's the MKE-DXB or MSP-DME market like? What makes you say that? From all publicly-available indications, it did pretty well. Both load factors an
36 JBAirwaysFan : Wow, DL is actually increasing some CVG frequency?!
37 United1 : Not so far, it's looking like UA has a 777, 752, A320 and 4 A319s flights on this route. Remember that this is the first year that UA customers can f
38 JetBlueAUS : That's awesome! I can't remember if JFK-CLT is 4-5x daily during the summer though.
39 mariner : Since the the Q400's are scheduled to be out of the fleet in September, it'll be interesting to see what aircraft they use. I assume they'll try to g
40 Atlwest1 : MKe is not loosing money for FL quite the contrary. Also the reduction in some of those flights has less to do with ohhh WN and YX are getting them a
41 Cubsrule : The hub may not be losing money, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that every flight is making money. That's in stark contrast to th
42 Atlwest1 : Nope of course not but this notion that WN and YX are gonna destroy FL in MKE and all that talk is not correct either. I think the reduction in the w
43 CVG72 : It's strange. You'd think they'd keep downsizing CVG. -M
44 Cubsrule : That's exactly how FL has traditionally operated, but it's not what is going on in MKE. They are keeping some flights at MKE for the sake of the hub
45 FlyPNS1 : It's not really a contrast, as much as it is the difference in how you treat hub routes vs. point to point routes. On point to point routes, the rout
46 Cubsrule : I think that's the difference. FL quit growing MDW at about 20-25 daily flights when their gate situation would have allowed 50 or 55. They had basic
47 mariner : I don't know anyone who is saying that. All I have read is that Airtran and Southwest will kill Midwest at MKE - and its Airtran who has been saying
48 Post contains links hatbutton : No actually it's not. 9K is operating this route at their own risk. 9K claims there is because of the Dartmouth crowd. There is an article on it here
49 Post contains images SANFan : MKE-SEA flew last winter, finally removing SEA for FL's list of seasonal stations even though SEA-BWI and SEA-ATL remained summer-only. (And who know
50 nkops : [ Is that 2hr 40min in a C402??? yuk (This was quoted from article, not hatbutton)
51 Post contains images enilria : Again, what I hear is that DL will definitely sacrifice JFK slots because they have decided they can hurt B6 more at LGA than JFK since in their mind
52 hatbutton : No I believe they mean that is the one way total time from Lebanon to NYC including the flight time and ground time. On Cape Air's website it looks l
53 hatbutton : I was under the impression that didn't mean the subsidy was necessarily going to the new route. How can you have EAS and a $160 fare? 9K usually char
54 mariner : Huh? It has nothing to do with my supposition of what their plans are - it is what they have stated, that the last Q400's will leave in September. Bu
55 enilria : I hadn't seen an exact date they would be gone. I thought it was vaguer, like "Fall"...but you are probably right. They are not the first airline to
56 mariner : I'm sure not. The fact remains that they intend to try for certification, and - I am told - with the E190. If they get it, then everything else is ho
57 SANFan : "Winnow" = window, I assume? First problem I see is that I would assume that any domestic arrival at JFK on DL at anywhere near the time of the intl
58 JBirdAV8r : "winnow"="cut"
59 SANFan : Thank you for that JBird'. That's a new one to me! bb
60 BinMonster : Looks like a summer bump in service. Should be some addtional service coming up. Some one in DSM will be happy
61 enilria : I know you usually don't give my weight and balance knowledge much credence, but I spent a few years in my career doing it. The only thing that is a
62 mariner : I don't understand your point. If they don't get the certification at ASE for the E jets, all bets are off. mariner
63 enilria : I'd be shocked if it was rejected purely on performance criteria. I don't think dimensions (wingspan, length) are an issue with the E-Jet, but it cou
64 loggat : Our DO was in the simulators at Flight Safety in STL to see how the E170 would do in ASE. When asked how it went he said "not good at all" so I think
65 mariner : Okay. Any or all of that may be true. I don't know if they will get certification. I don't know anything until it happens. Obviously, they believe th
66 SANFan : Thank you too for the definition of "winnow". I'm always glad to hear unfamiliar words. So, for example, SAN which now has 2 daily DL n/s to JFK will
67 mariner : I would probably agree with that, but it is a bridge I'll cross when - and if - they get the certification. If they don't, I presume ASE goes bye-bye
68 nkops : This will make TSA happy, they can close earlier now, except on Thur and Sun.
69 HVNandrew : This has always been a strange route for me. DL started it after B6 announced JFK-ACK a few years back. Previously, DL flew this seasonally from LGA.
70 Post contains images SANFan : Exactly, I agree on all points! Delta, out west, has gone way beyond A flight to feed their Europe/Middle East/Africa bank. From SAN this summer, DL
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