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Australian Aviation Thread 35  
User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34198 times:

Australian Aviation Thread 34 is now over 200 replies so its time to start a new thread.

In Thread 34 we discussed:


    * Tiger Airways and the TV show Airways.
    * Virgin Blue officially announcing services to Christmas Island and the Cocos Islands, from Perth
    * Jetstar reimburses accommodation costs of hundreds of Sydney-bound passengers stranded for two days in Thailand.
    * Qantas last 8 A380s not to have first class installed.
    * Virgin Blue enters into Codeshare Agreement on MEL/SYD and BNE/SYD with Delta Airlines
    * QF announces 1/2 Year Profit of $58million for the 6 months to Dec 2009
    * Virgin Blue announces 1/2 Year Profit $62.5million for the 6 months to Dec 2009.
    * Karratha and the QF direct services to the east coast from May 2010.
    • Virgin Blue appointing former Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti as the next chief executive
    * Jetstar to pull out of Rockhampton; with increased Qantaslink service



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 34065 times:

MEL is currently closed owing to the freak storms that have just hit the city.

must be a fun day for the whole country, operationally speaking.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 34045 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 1):
MEL is currently closed owing to the freak storms that have just hit the city.

No wonder it's feral out there, and I have a significant bumb on my head from being hit by a hail stone!!


User currently offlineRobMEL From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 33741 times:

I was out most of the night mopping as part of the SES; on the radio I could hear the Essendon and Brimbank units, they were flat out, having brought help in from units as far as Dunolly and Hastings! Now the weather bureau says more is on the way!

Expect further delays across the network I imagine if MEL shuts down again; but that said, it may not be as bad.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 33499 times:

Don't think it's been mentioned before:

capacity increases by EK at MEL:

DXB-SIN-MEL vv remains B77W

DXB-MEL-AKL vv increases from A345 to B77W from 2 August

DXB-KUL-MEL vv increases from A345 to B77W from 2 July.

does anyone know where the A345s will be flown? replace the B77L on PER??


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 33495 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
does anyone know where the A345s will be flown?

I think I saw something a couple of weeks ago on airlineroute.net which said that the A345s will be removed from longhauls and put on medium haul ( seems a strange use of the aircraft to me , but I am sure they know what they are doing ) .

Found the relevant story if you are interested.

http://airlineroute.net/2010/01/31/ek-201011-update4/#more-16960

[Edited 2010-03-07 00:54:11]


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 33476 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
does anyone know where the A345s will be flown? replace the B77L on PER??

I think PER stays 77L from memory. The 345s seem I think from memory to be doing more medium haul flights, maybe the cabins need refitting to bring them upto the 77L standard?! To use them on ULH again.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33445 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
DXB-KUL-MEL vv increases from A345 to B77W from 2 July.

I'm confused about this DXB-KUL-MEL service.. I thought it was initially a trial but now is it going to be an all year round service?



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33432 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
I'm confused about this DXB-KUL-MEL service.. I thought it was initially a trial but now is it going to be an all year round service?

It will apprantly now be a year round service. Seems odd to have 2 1 stop services to MEL, it probably shows that EK406/407 DXB-MEL-AKL-MEL-DXB is definatly the most popular of the flights, it kinda makes me wonder weather they should upgrade 406/407 and drop the 408/409 DXB-KUL-MEL-KUL-DXB altogether?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33401 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 8):
it kinda makes me wonder weather they should upgrade 406/407 and drop the 408/409 DXB-KUL-MEL-KUL-DXB altogether?

And bring in the A380 on EK406/7? When is the next batch of ULH configured A380s arriving for EK? Maybe next year then.. I must say I don't think I'd be a fan of the 408/409 time if I were to go to KUL.



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33386 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
Found the relevant story if you are interested.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
And bring in the A380 on EK406/7? When is the next batch of ULH configured A380s arriving for EK? Maybe next year then.. I must say I don't think I'd be a fan of the 408/409 time if I were to go to KUL

There was a rumour that 406/7 was going to be an A380, the quoted link certainly scotches that for the foreseeable future. It was a buzz to see that A340 take off for AKL in the morning and return over the top of the home in the evening. Oh well, S..t happens.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 33363 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):

Whoops.. I should have looked at that link before.. It seems like both A345 service cuts to AKL have been pushed back which is quite interesting. Might get me another trip on the A345!



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 33252 times:

Which variant of 777 is currently being used on EK414?

User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 33240 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 12):
Which variant of 777 is currently being used on EK414?

777-200LR source: www.emirates.com and press the timetables link



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 33062 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 8):
drop the 408/409 DXB-KUL-MEL-KUL-DXB altogether?

EK has developed 3 hubbing waves at DXB, and the 3rd daily frequency helps balance pax numbers on those services that have been added. Quite simply, EK cannot continue to have 2 east-west VV windows over DXB.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 33015 times:

Virgin Blue to commence services to Uluru from August

Source

Quote:
Virgin Blue today announced that from August of this year, it will begin services to Uluru (Ayers Rock) from Sydney, becoming the only other operator besides Qantas to operate services to the remote airport.

Operated by Voyager Resorts & Hotels, the Northern Territory airport will receive the new Virgin Blue Embraer E-190 daily services from the 2nd of August this year.

“We expect to find the only airline currently operating on the route will see fit to suddenly offer more reasonable fares. As the airline that introduced low fares to Australia ten years ago, we are excited to be expanding our route network to include Ayers Rock,” said Brett Godfrey, Virgin Blue CEO.

“The decision reflects our view regarding the importance of Ayers Rock (Uluru) to the tourism industry and indeed to visitors from our own backyard, as well as from all over the world, who flock to the rock each year to marvel at the natural landmark.”

Capable of carrying 104 guests, the new Embraer services will also connect with other Virgin interstate services.


[Edited 2010-03-07 17:20:40]

User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 32721 times:

DJ to AYQ is very clever - not really on DJ's part but on resort/airport owner Voyages' part. How do you entice more people to come stay at your resort AND thereby increasing its sale price? Simple, break the monopoly on the transport into your resort! And do it from the place that has the most potential to bring you the most customers. I have no doubt they offered huge sweeteners for DJ to come on board, cheap meals (even QF is catered by Voyages at AYQ), ground handling, landing fees etc ...

Be interesting to see if, with this kind of deal, DJ could make it work. I suspect they would easily recoup the operating cost of an aircraft which may just sit on the ground at SYD all day between peaks. But then I wonder at the "leftover" market for DJ. On the face of it you'd think it's not that hard to fill 100 seats each way, but DJ doesn't have the inbound feed (groups and people on Aussie Walkabout passes) that QF has - admittedly they paid very little for the sector but they certainly helped filled up the planes. DJ also doesn't have other routes from AYQ, and perhaps more importantly, from ASP - only the Japanese really saw The Rock as the sole attraction whereas every other market seems to see Central Australia as more than just the big rock. Whatever Tourism NT and Voyages have tried there's no doubt AYQ is an inbound destination. Who would spend $300 a night to see a big rock when you don't spend much more to go to Bali, Fiji, Phuket ...

I think DJ ... and indeed Voyages ... might learn the hard way that the true barrier to more people visiting AYQ is not the cost of airfares but the cost of accommodation and tours there ...



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32461 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
I think I saw something a couple of weeks ago on airlineroute.net which said that the A345s will be removed from longhauls and put on medium haul ( seems a strange use of the aircraft to me , but I am sure they know what they are doing ) .

Not that it is particularly relevant but the EK staff have been campaigning for years to have the A340s removed from MEL and have them replaced by the newer recently delivered 777, mainly due to the improved J class seating on offer. The staff in MEL even personally investigated the possibility of altering the J class seats on the A340s to make them flat (had some 'interesting' ideas). More recently it was felt (felt not proved note) the A340s were becoming unreliable, there were phases I must confess where it felt that EK406/EK407 was always going tech. EK408/EK409 is constantly late coming in from DXB and KUL, although this seems just bad luck; lightening strikes bad weather in DXB bad weather in KUL... Still seems the EK staff got their wish, probably won't hurt their chances of competing better with EY and QR who both have a better J product on their A346 and 77L then EK do on their A345s, (we even got the A343s down here sometimes when they pranged the A345 with a tail scrape).

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
I'm confused about this DXB-KUL-MEL service.. I thought it was initially a trial but now is it going to be an all year round service?
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 8):
Seems odd to have 2 1 stop services to MEL, it probably shows that EK406/407 DXB-MEL-AKL-MEL-DXB is definatly the most popular of the flights, it kinda makes me wonder weather they should upgrade 406/407 and drop the 408/409 DXB-KUL-MEL-KUL-DXB altogether

EK407/EK406 is most certainly the premium route and commands the yields but both EK405/404 and EK408/409 fill up nicely out of MEL and both SIN and KUL. EK405 yield fluctuates, but EK409 has always been low yielding, it's simply that prior to the KUL stop it was both low yield and often empty.

Another interesting note, QR has a policy by which in the event of a delay their turn around can be reduced to 60mins from the scheduled 90, however this policy has been revised in MEL as they struggle to stick to schedule even with they have 90mins as their refuelling takes so long!


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32091 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 16):
only the Japanese really saw The Rock as the sole attraction whereas every other market seems to see Central Australia as more than just the big rock. Whatever Tourism NT and Voyages have tried there's no doubt AYQ is an inbound destination.

If AYQ is a big inbound port, and the Japanese are more interested in flying direct, perhaps it is up to Virgin (or one of the brands) to cater for that market.

We hear lots about the US carriers who are competing to get into Haneda, and several Asian carriers already fly into that airport, and some European carriers like AF.

Haneda would be a nice port for V Australia to use their 77Ws and bring lots of tourists to AYQ. (via SYD or CNS)


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 31788 times:

Why bother chase all these Asian markets when our currency over the longer term is going to discourage inbound tourism and it's going to be the Australians travelling overseas (with a stronger currency versus the rest) who are far more likely to yield more airlines?

You already pay more on QF or VA to go out of the country than if you were in the US or Europe and want to travel on the same airlines to Australia...


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 31685 times:

Not sure if they have been posted byut some changes that have been noted on air routes up dates: http://airlineroute.net/

UNITED 2nd Daily LA – Sydney Dec 10/Jan 11

As per 10MAR10 GDS timetable display, UNITED in 2010 Northern Winter season is to operate SEASONAL 2nd Daily Los Angeles – Sydney service, from 01DEC10 to 31JAN11. Schedule as follows:

UA827 LAX2100 – 0635+2SYD 744 D 01DEC10 – 08JAN11
UA839 LAX2217 – 0750+2SYD 744 D

UA826 SYD1230 – 0700LAX 744 D 03DEC10 – 10JAN11
UA840 SYD1525 – 0952LAX 744 D

UA827 operates Day 146 10JAN10 – 29JAN10
UA826 operates Day 136 12JAN10 – 31JAN10

DELTA to offer New York JFK – Sydney 1-stop thru service

AS per 10MAR10 GDS timetable display, starting 01JUN10, DELTA DL016/017 Los Angeles – Sydney service is to originate from/terminates at New York JFK.

New York JFK – Los Angeles – Sydney operates Daily on Westbound and 6 weekly Eastbound. However, New York JFK – Los Angeles sector operates with 757-200 and Los Angeles – Sydney with 777-200LR.

Schedule as follows:

DL017 JFK1700 – 2036LAX 757 D
DL017 LAX2235 – 0635+2SYD 77L D

DL016 SYD0910 – 0600LAX 77L x1
DL016 LAX0650 – 1520JFK x1

DL016 SYD1235 – 0925LAX 77L 1

DL016 LAX-JFK on Day 1 operating as DL2762


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 31550 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 20):
DL016 SYD0910 – 0600LAX 77L x1
DL016 LAX0650 – 1520JFK x1

Can DL really operate like this with through pax having only 50 min to transit LAX, including go through immigration etc? Or is the LAX-JFK leg an "international" flight with no domestic pax?



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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 31493 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 21):
Can DL really operate like this with through pax having only 50 min to transit LAX, including go through immigration etc? Or is the LAX-JFK leg an "international" flight with no domestic pax?

Hmm...I was thinking the same thing.

It doesn't matter whether LAX-JFK is an "international" flight; US regulations are that passengers will have to clear customs at LAX.

It's even harder when it's not same plane service like QF107.

When's the next LAX-JFK flight after DL16?



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 31232 times:

a little news article that was in the local newspaper in NTL highlighting some destinations that NTL airport would like to see....quiet soon
http://www.theherald.com.au/news/loc...tle-airport-expansion/1768913.aspx



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 31056 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 23):
a little news article that was in the local newspaper in NTL highlighting some destinations that NTL airport would like to see....quiet soon

This is putting the cart before the horse. I am sure I have read in the past 12 months that the Dept of Defence (or was it the RAAF) was not receptive to any increased civilian/ commercial aviation activity at Williamtown. If my recollections are correct, then what is quoted in the article, it seems to me, is a pipedream.



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25 AirbusA322 : They must be dreaming if they think any airline will start NTL-China/Japan routes. The only real hope they have is TT returning to Newcastle and addin
26 Post contains links JQflightie : QLink has applied to fly CNS-POM using the 74 seater Q400. http://australianaviation.com.au/qan...-for-cairns-port-moresby-services/
27 jetfuel : Great Move
28 Post contains links tayser : VA MEL-JNB-MEL has begun. http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60121
29 smi0006 : Tonight also marks teh ngiht that some of VAs MEL-LAX services change to a night departure I think of 21:30..
30 Ben175 : Haven't seen this posted, but Strategic is commencing PER-DPS and will become the 5th airline to operate this route after GA, DJ, JQ and QZ. Tickets g
31 tayser : Yep, looks like they're going to get very good utilisation on the plane... MEL-JNB-MEL-LAX-MEL 2 hour turnaround in JNB, 3 hours in MEL, 4-5 hours in
32 smi0006 : Do they have any more deliveries any time soon? Could we seen any increases in frequency at all?
33 ANstar : October is the next delivery and all my sources seem to point to the fact that it will not be used to open a new destination, but be used to either i
34 Post contains images TN486 : Doing a bit of timetable surfing and notice JQ op A332 MEL-OOL-MEL JQ448/443 Mon,Thu,Fri,Sun. Is this just recent? Is this seasonal (notice most of th
35 ditzyboy : It is an interesting ride, the Metro. Hope you're not too tall! The Beech 1900D is definitely my favourite in the 18-19 seat category. The morning ME
36 Post contains links jetfuel : Link to a video on Malcolm Sharp and the airline http://www.thebrew.com.au/_webapp_277771/Sharp_Airlines
37 alangirvan : I had my one and only return trip in a Metro 23 of Hazleton a few years ago, and my first ride in a Beech 1900D this year. You are only bending down
38 Post contains links and images TN486 : nope, 5'10". Any idea the best seat in the ac? and thanks for the info on the A330, I really couldnt imagine JQ using them pure domestic for too long
39 NZ107 : Seeing as all seats are window seats and aisle seats, there isn't much difference unless you want some sort of wing to look at. But it'd be popular!
40 AusA380 : I travelled on the 1900D when Impulse were flying SYD-CBR and loved them. If I was running late at Syd, gave Impluse a call that I would be there wit
41 TN486 : For those spotters/aficionados of ac movements in MEL, a spotting aquaintance of mine has sent me the following details of V Australia schedules ex ME
42 Post contains links BNE : Air Pacific said it would postpone flights to Fiji ex-Auckland, Brisbane and Sydney until tomorrow due to cyclone Tomas. A bit more information on the
43 smi0006 : Ahhhh Fantastic, fingers crossed they don't defer it again, I don't suppose you have a delivery schedule after that? (I know I’m asking a lot forgi
44 ZK-NBT : AFAIK that is no longer happening.
45 Post contains links bookishaviator : Sunbury couple in battle over airport parking $98.4 million from parking?! Extraordinary. It'll be interesting to see whether this goes anywhere, but
46 TN486 : "David" beat "Goliath" in Britain !! - I refer to the case against Macca's. The winners represented themselves, and I dont think they had any legal e
47 Post contains links tayser : reposting from anothe forum: MEL-JNB moving to 3x weekly in Dec after the next aircraft arrives. Somewhat expected MEL-LAX will probably increased as
48 brad330 : CNS has 3 different routes which JQ332's operate on: JQ16 CNS-SYD Tu,Sa JQ24 CNS-OOL Mo,Sa/Tu,F JQ947 CNS-MEL Daily Its good to see the airlines pick
49 smi0006 : Great news indeed! It will be interesting to see how the night-time departure fares for VA from MEL into LAX at the moment they leave at about 21:30
50 6thfreedom : I think this operating time will work well in attracting both J and Y class pax. for J class pax, it means finishing a days work in MEL, before headi
51 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Hello you do have a point, Arriving into LAX @ 18:05, there will be bennifits as you mentioned. Walking to your hotel/home at a reasonable hour. Gett
52 ANstar : I wouldnt have an issue with that - straight to bed! lol It seems to work ok out of Sydney with the PM departure.
53 tayser : Would be good if DL pushed its last LAX-LAS for the day to an 8pm departure - if you try to book a connection through to LAS from MEL it won't allow y
54 Post contains links jetfuel : TWO people are believe to have been killed when a plane crashed at Darwin's airport this morning. A witness told the NT News he saw the 18-seater plan
55 ditzyboy : Absolutely terrible news. Devastating for the pilot's families and the airline - a true Territory business.
56 jetfuel : Yes very sad and likely an unneccesary loss if the rumours that they were doing assymetric ops and possibly had a real EAFATO. Really there is no nee
57 Post contains links zeke : From the ATSB : link : http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/2010/201006.aspx I think you are jumping the gun there a little, just wait and see. These guys
58 SXI899 : With Skywest about to take delivery of their first A320 (MSN429 ex-Thomas Cook UK G-BYTH), any word (or theories) on where they're going to be operati
59 Post contains images 747m8te : I know one route they are going to be flying MEL-KGI with them from mid this year
60 Zeke : Flight International said mainly mining charters.
61 Post contains links Ben175 : The Skywest livery looks AMAZING on the A320! http://www.flickr.com/photos/40168621@N07/4453439627/ Can't wait to see this bird flying in and out of P
62 Aussie_ : Given the contract for mx is with John Holland, it is certain that their PER-KGI-MEL services will be A320 operated, with the aircraft's downtime in M
63 ZuluAlpha : Don't they do a weekly F100 service KGI/MEL ? Must be a bit of a stretch on the legs for the F100 on such a run?
64 Post contains images 747m8te : Yes they do, so the service will be switching to the A320 equipement around JUN/JUL I beleive. And yes should be a more capable aircraft on such long
65 TN486 : Yep, that F100 is a good sight, however one may suggest they may need to lower those lead-in fares to fill that A320. But one may argue it doesnt rea
66 AirbusA322 : They have only been filling 30-60 seats on the F100 on its weekly run, so they would need to lower fares a hell of a lot.
67 alangirvan : I thought Skywest had some engineering work done in Singapore. They have also expressed interest in flying to SIN.
68 Post contains links NZ107 : Tiger dumps local boss Shelley Roberts is going to be replaced by Crawford Rix, bmibaby's managing director. Maybe this could signal a change for the
69 QF175 : Looks like Etihad wants to introduce services to Perth, de-link Brisbane and Singapore and introduce new, daily nonstop services and finally bring Syd
70 AirbusA322 : Tiger didn't dump Shelley, she just decided its time to take a break before she has a mental breakdown. She spent more time at the Tiger HQ than anyw
71 NZ107 : Yeah, well, you must know the media by now.
72 Ben175 : Source for the PER expression of interest?
73 Post contains links and images QF175 : Source
74 IndianicWorld : Well EY played hardball to get what they wanted along the way, taking a leaf out of EK's book, so these are changes that make sense. SYD- makes sense
75 DJ748 : The aircraft changed seasonally - our summer saw their 77W's with the A332's the rest of the year. But this summer of ours only saw the 77W's a few t
76 Ben175 : EY has been expressing interest in PER for the past two years. Would be great it they formally announced it soon. Any idea on what type and frequency
77 alangirvan : Tiger Airways: “We've got another 50 aircraft to deliver into Tiger, and we expect a lot of those to be finding their way into the Australian market
78 IndianicWorld : I think this is where AVV comes into it. Its MEL base is at its max limits and need more space. I would suspect that a split AVV/MEL operation will b
79 Post contains images brad330 : I am flying DRW-SYD on QF829 on 01/04/10 I am flying business on a 767 and I am wondering what configuration the aircraft is 1-2-2 or 2-2-2 as the pro
80 QF175 : Evening Brad! QF829 01APR is currently showing the domestic Millennium 2x2x2 configuration. I agree that the Dreamtime seating is much better and the
81 Post contains images Sydscott : If Singapore Inc wants to blow some money why not let them. Although you can understand Tiger allocating so many planes to the Australian Domestic ma
82 ANstar : Just looking at the V Aus website and it looks like some of the new frequencies are loaded for Aircraft #5 No new routes - just increases in frequncy
83 pugsley : Qantas Is currently in the process of recruiting Domestic Flight Attendants for their Sydney, Melbourne and Perth Bases. Interviews are about to be he
84 DocPepz : Actually in 2009, TR was by far the largest LCC in SIN, and together with MI, displaced QF as the second largest carrier in SIN. Of course, if you co
85 Post contains images Allrite : The large distances can be a positive, in the sense that there is reduced competition from other forms of transport. Australians also have higher dis
86 Post contains links Allrite : Due to their noise, 727's are to be banned from Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth after September 1. The Sydney Morning Herald is claiming that TE
87 DocPepz : Air Asia is not a government owned or linked company. Thus I think that's why it has managed to expand into Indonesia and Thailand. Tiger Airways tri
88 NZ107 : Wow, so I wonder what DHL are going to replace their 727 with for trans Tasman services. It'll be a shame to see them go too I must say - one dstingu
89 Post contains links BNE : A Qantas plane bound for Singapore was turned back just after leaving Sydney airport this evening, with a spokesman describing the incident as an "in-
90 Post contains links QF175 : Thanks to J for his continually excellent updates: Source 3x weekly is the go apparently. Cheers
91 DJ748 : Would it be safe to assume CZ would be flying this route with one of their A332's? Their A333's or 777's may be a tad too large (and with first class
92 Post contains links jetfuel : Looks like QF 744 QF5 has had an engine failure/shut down after take off in SYD. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...qantas-plane-forced-to-turn-ar
93 TN486 : Real great media reporting, both on the quoted link and TV news footage, all of an A380!! (it was actually a 744 as quoted by JetFuel). Any insider t
94 jetfuel : Radio report was of a caller seeing flames shooting from #3. I do laugh but hey still a workload for the flight crew.
95 Post contains links tayser : http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ai...w-control-tower-20100330-rbir.html Airport gets new control tower ANDREW HEASLEY March 31, 2010 MELBOURNE Airpo
96 Post contains links QF175 : Pacific Blue are requesting capacity to introduce 2x weekly Australia-Cook Islands services by no later than April 2011. http://www.iasc.gov.au/applic
97 QF175 : First PacificFlier flight into Australia not long from touching down in BNE. The aircraft is due back out at 23:45L tonight to Palau. Great to see ser
98 flyjetstar : I've got a couple of applications in with DJ/QF for cabin crew at the PER base. Any cabin crew from both on here able to give me an idea of base salar
99 pugsley : Qantas Domestic Workplace Agreement 2008 Base salary $36,956.00 Plus DTA of $5.43 per hour, as well as a few overtime allowances, incentive pay etc..
100 Post contains links tayser : http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...ourne-to-avalon-20100405-rn4q.html Tiger flights tipped for shift from Melbourne to Avalon ROYCE MILLAR AND AND
101 AirbusA322 : But it still is going to amaze me how Tiger will make money on Avalon routes. Mid-Week Jetstar are pulling really low figures, on some days combine al
102 Post contains links gardermoen : Looks like Air Vanuatu is playing yo yo with Melbourne. MEL is back on the map according to Travelweekly here: http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirpl...
103 Post contains links Sydscott : I thought that Pacific Blue was currently using Australian Capacity Allocation to fly between Auckland and Rarotonga and that this additional capacit
104 QF762 : Hopefully bring SYD-HKG up to twice daily again (currently 11x weekly; daily QF127 B744, and 4x weekly QF 87 A330); perhaps also reinstate the 3x add
105 ANstar : Increase capacity with the A380?
106 smi0006 : I think that we will see them return to MEL-PVG, but how often three times a week? How often were they flying previously? Most likely SYD-PEK too but
107 ANstar : I noticed V Australia have started selling Bangkok and Koh Samui on their site. Seems they are interlining those flights with Bangkok Airways. Kind of
108 SXI899 : As an FYI, Skywest's A320 should be arriving in Melbourne on Friday night.
109 tayser : what about reinstating MEL-NRT? I'd rather see them reinstate daily MEL-NRT services and start properly cooperating with CX than add more HKG frequenc
110 Zkpilot : NRT and indeed Japan is an ever-decreasing market.... quite literally. Japan has a shrinking and ageing population and the country is virtually bankr
111 thegeek : I would wonder about QF returning to the China routes which it left. One would think that if the routes were going well, they would ride out the downt
112 alangirvan : Bangkok Airways interlines with a lot of different airlines - you see some special offers on Emirates out of Sydney to Thai resorts where they use co
113 TN486 : Thank you for the heads up, should be able to see it Sat morning outside JH hanger, cheers
114 ZuluAlpha : In my humble opininion, the increase of the capasity to a 744 on the SYD NRT run, is in response to the downgrade of the JL flights to Australia. The
115 DJ748 : Into BNE, JL had initially been operating a mix of their 742 and 743's, operating daily from both KIX and NRT. KIX was dropped, JQ took it up with an
116 david_itl : It left MAN just before 1200 today and is still wearing G-BYTH apparently. Callisgn= SXI105
117 thegeek : A few years ago, and I doubt this has changed, all 747 and 767 tech crew are based in SYD. It's different for A330s (SYD & MEL) and 737 (SYD, MEL
118 Post contains images 747m8te : ...well yeah but is there enough pax to fill the 747 BNE-HKG though with a daily frequency??? more chance of doing that out of MEL as the current ser
119 thegeek : No way, as you are meaning. But so long as it wouldn't require a frequency reduction on BNE-HKG it seems like a step forward. If 2x weekly A333s run
120 thegeek : Further to my last post, I think offering a same plane BNE-LHR via HKG service is a great way to increase demand for both the HKG-LHR trip, which rep
121 9MMPD : Arn't the BNE & PER - HKG flights being retimed to have better conectivity with the MEL - HKG - LHR flights.Becuase at their current state the con
122 TN486 : If I was travelling PER-LHR, I wouldnt be going via HKG, and I couldnt see where QF could improve connections to change my mind. (unless of course I
123 ZuluAlpha : The Loads out of MEL are reasonable, the issue as pointed out, and agreed is the massivly early departure out of HKG. The QF 29 out of HKG has a sche
124 TN486 : Thank you for taking the time to clarify that all for me. 787's would be nice, wouldnt they!
125 vhmathy : I too thought this was the reason behind retiming BNE - HKG, to now depart at 23:05 and arrive in HKG at 06:05. But unless im reading the schedules w
126 thegeek : Checking the schedule for BNE-HKG-LHR 14-20 April 2010, you can connect on every day that QF97 leaves. Did you take in to account that the flights la
127 ZuluAlpha : Yeah, I think your on the money right there. On a 744 it is a 12h 55m flight, I could imagine a 332 be up to 13h 15m must be close to max range. If i
128 Zkpilot : Yes it has been posted in several threads that they are (mostly the Australian Aviation one). QF are getting rid of all but 9 744s (the 6 ERs and the
129 Post contains links thegeek : I doubt that. It's shorter than AKL-LAX Great Circle although airways and winds will probably extend HKG-LHR more than AKL-LAX. But bringing such a s
130 ZuluAlpha : Thanks for that, and the link. Interesting that HKG/LHR is approx 1000km less than AKL/LAX, they allow for similar times
131 gemuser : The 3 newest B744 have GE engines? You sure? AFAIK all B744 delivered new to QF had RRs (obviously not counting the B744ERs in that statement) No, th
132 Post contains links and images TN486 : Source: www.qantas.com and link to "seatmaps". Source: www.casa.gov.au
133 aussieindc : Hi all, I was just looking at PE for a trip home to BNE in September and noted that QF appear not to be offereing it on the QF15/16 like they were pre
134 thegeek : In fact VH-OEC & VH-OED (from MH) are already in VCV. That leaves the plane from Asiana airlines as the only 744 non-ER with GE engines in QF's fl
135 gemuser : A fair point, but QF will have been maintaining RB211s for over 20 years, so things will just roll on. It's relatively cheap to do so. Maybe they wil
136 Zkpilot : IIRC QF have at least 3 non-ER GE 744s (reportedly uprated to ER thrust levels not sure about that). Not 100% on which 3 are staying guess its possib
137 thegeek : Yep, it's hard to see who else would want them, with the possible exception of BA. If the leases come up for renewal they should be able to negotiate
138 Post contains images TN486 : My understanding is these were OEB/C/D. OEB still remains, the others are in the desert If I am wrong, please feel free to correct, cheers.[Edited 20
139 ditzyboy : There is also a 767 base in Melbourne since a couple of years ago. The Perth 737 has been open a while now, too.
140 thegeek : I hadn't actually heard that the PER base had openned, although I thought it would have. But about the 767s, why would they be openning new crew base
141 ditzyboy : Pretty much. There are too many 767s overnighting and doing PER turns out of Melbourne to not have a base there. Makes sense from a crewing and econo
142 Post contains links IndianicWorld : was just lookiong at www.nearmap.com and zoomed into MEL airport and found an Alliance Air F100 located at T3, on the 2nd pier, at the REX gates. I do
143 thegeek : Should have asked this in my last post. Are there many 767 flights out of MEL to locations besides SYD & PER? Only one I can think of is the infre
144 Post contains links and images kaitak : Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but apologies if it has; 'EAM, one of the old -200ERs, is now E3-AAQ with Eritrean Airlines and has been
145 TN486 : Only seasonal: MEL-ADL-DRW and return,and MEL-CNS and return. The former was op over the Nov - Jan period (my memory is hazy as to the exact time per
146 ditzyboy : You'll find MEL-CNS 763s over winter too. There is also the newly announced MEL-BNE-CNS-BNE-MEL 763 rotation this year. You are pretty much correct,
147 PA515 : The 9th April 2010 update to Boeing's Orders and Deliveries, 'Orders Cumulative through to March 2010', shows the VA '09 March 2007' order for 6 77W's
148 brad330 : The RR 767 is used on MEL-CNS
149 jetfuel : This is unoffical but it looks like Tiger will soon start ops into Cairns. Customer Service and Baggage Handlers jobs are being advertised by Aero Car
150 Post contains images TN486 : For those of you interested, Strategic has an A320 and A330 at MEL today, both at JH mx facility. No photographic pass, hence no photos, and standing
151 smi0006 : For those interested VA flight inbound from HKT broke down resulting in a 15hr delay for pax bound for MEL and the same again for pax going from MEL t
152 jetfuel : What do you mean by broke down?
153 Post contains links and images BNE : Changes to car parking at the Brisbane Domestic terminal from 1:00AM 15 April Construction of the new eight-level car park will commence around April
154 Drewski2112 : Any estimated delivery date for Virgin Blue's VH-VUU (cn 36609/3232)? I ask because it's at BFI on the Boeing company flightline parked in a spot wher
155 alangirvan : Surely the Virgin Group has been going for long enough to have some procedures in place for when a plane falls over. Planes fall over at Qantas, and
156 thegeek : Yeah, you'd think so. I wouldn't imagine the existing 767 pilots are too keen to up and migrate from SYD to MEL. There could be some re-training of 7
157 Post contains images TN486 : Why not??
158 smi0006 : Went tech, something with one of the engines I was to busy to care, lol forgive me. NOTHING was in place in MEL! TollDnata had been informed all pax
159 Post contains images TruemanQLD : And surprise surprise I cannot find a news article on it. If it was QF it would be front page news. Got to love Australian media
160 ANstar : Surely Rev Ops and Crewing would have been onto this? Surely the TOLL supervisor could have kept chasing Rev Ops for a recovery plan? Rev Ops are nor
161 AJ : There were quite a few Sydney based pilots that commuted from Melbourne prior to the base opening. The additional numbers were made up by junior crew
162 Boof : Whilst DJ announced at the half yearly results that they would have a mobile website up and running in the coming months it appears that the IT guys a
163 thegeek : How would mobile check in work? Do you need some sort of printer attachment or something?
164 alangirvan : The Virgin America app is one that Apple features on their site promoting the new Ipad, which figures - Virgin America is the sort of airline that wou
165 ditzyboy : Are you referring to the Qantas mobile boarding passes? If so, the customers scans their device at the gate reader and a thermal printer produces a '
166 brad330 : I arrived this afternoon into CNS on QF926 from SYD and noticed a OMEGA TANKER B707 parked at the international terminal then when i was disembarking
167 Post contains links and images Boof : Hi Alan, the reference to Virgin America on the ipad site is only pointing out that the website is ipad ready, it isn't an app to be downloaded as su
168 DJMEL : The DJ Mobile check-in system works very similar to QF - just present your Mobile with the Barcode at the boarding gate for scanning by the gate agent
169 thegeek : Interesting. But there doesn't seem to be too many savings of all these online check-in options to me. The only real saving is not needing the check i
170 ANstar : And if you see the lines at Sydney domestic for the kisoks during peak times - anything to save avoiding that is a blessing.
171 Post contains links QF744 : This may help explain the situation.... QF744 Meanwhile, the Virgin Blue Group is considering opting for more wide-body aircraft such as 250-seat 787
172 AirbusA322 : Has anyone seen Tiger/Aerocare's new Ground Crew uniform, the grey one. Talk about a decent overhaul, but they look like Air New Zealand crew.
173 ANstar : It makes sense - they can then use these on Asia routes and move the 777 of the Asian route and onto USA/South Africa to increase frequencies.
174 smi0006 : Not yet no, where have they been rolled out? Wish TollDnata would get new uniforms, perhaps one day the Dnata uniforms.... Shame that grand handlers
175 TN486 : In support of RAAF ops maybe
176 Post contains links and images TN486 : Some of you may remember I mentioned I was travelling Sharp airlines to Portland for the first time. (Mar24/25). Whoever said I should not be too tall
177 ANstar : At Sydney airport the Toll ground handlers where the V Australia uniform and some of them wear the Singapore Airlines uniform.
178 Post contains images 747m8te : Yeah some of the airlines request the staff wear their uniforms and provide the uniforms for ground handlers, JQ, DJ, VA, CX are some that spring to
179 bmibaby737 : Any word on if Qantas will be retiring any of their Boeing 737s shortly?
180 AirbusA322 : All Tiger ports will have the new uniform by now.
181 Post contains links and images winglets747 : And here (although I wrote it ) too: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wi...4/v-australia-delays-two-777s.html Note the two 777s in question are the
182 alangirvan : It was a problem when Ansett were thinking about using 777s that they would not fit Australian domestic gates. Will 787-8s or 9s fit Australian domes
183 aussie747 : Mentioned in an article above, D7 is i All their 733's have been retired. The next to go will be their 734's, where their still is 17 in the fleet. Ho
184 thegeek : Are the kiosks themselves that expensive to make? I'd have thought ordering 200 kiosks instead of 100 wouldn't push up the price that much so long as
185 allrite : Whilst I am not familiar with the exact kiosks used for airline check-ins my employer looked into purchasing a few kiosks and they were surprisingly
186 smi0006 : Haha I know a few do perhaps I just wish the airlines I did the handling for did.... SQ only has the Menzies service desk staff wear them here in MEL
187 ANstar : SPACE - where are you going to put them? Why? It doesnt make sense for someone like VA to invest in the ground equipment etc for 1 - 2 flights per da
188 AirbusA322 : I heard from JQ flight crew that big capacity decreases are due this May and into June, 320's are to be parked. Mainly on Gold Coast routes which has
189 dj738 : CX are handled in BNE by Menzies, and at least some (Service Desk? Dispatch? I'm not sure who) Menzies staff are required to wear the CX uniform.
190 Post contains images 747m8te : and I know QF do the handling of CX in CNS... oh and all staff on CX wear the uniform too
191 Post contains images thegeek : There's plenty of room at SYD & BNE. Not too sure about the other airports, but I'd be surprised if that's the real reason.
192 ANstar : Given the over crwoding on the DJ side of the terminal in peak times I really dont see where you would put them????
193 winglets747 : At a conference last year Stephen Tame, Jetstar CIO, said it was cheaper to employ humans than use machines for check-in. The kiosks, however, are li
194 Post contains links ditzyboy : Some good news from Airnorth (TL)... PHE and KTA launched from 01 June. Twice weekly tag flights through BME. http://www.airnorth.com.au/sites/def...e
195 thegeek : I'm still confused. They use up about the same space as two people standing at most, but help to get people out of the area. I've never seen an airpo
196 alangirvan : the kiosks are not better than letting us print out our own boarding pass at home and having that scanned at the gate. There is no time saving from a
197 thegeek : No, but I'd think that confusion caused by people web checking and then not showing up would be a pain. I've certainly heard gate agents discussing i
198 Ben175 : With D7 increasing KUL-PER to 14 x weekly from June this year, will we see MH react and go twice daily too?
199 ANstar : I have - Tripoli in Libya! Oh and most US airpoirts international arrivals... As for the kiosks, it is not only the space of the kiosk, but the line
200 thegeek : Which is exactly my problem with web check in, and other check in options which don't require you to be at the airport. It seems to be a false econom
201 IndianicWorld : I would not expect so. It is more likely to reduce MH flights on the route than increase it. It is most likely to stay as in for MH until they judge
202 Post contains images winglets747 : I don't recall Jetstar's figures off the top of my head but I think a good portion purchase luggage. From Stephen Tame's speech it sounded like the i
203 NZ107 : That's a bold statement you've made. If Air Asia X was only about creating new demand, why do they have an equivalent of Business Class? And why are
204 TruemanQLD : Can anyone share how the 1x weekly DRW-Mt Isa-OOL is going?
205 IndianicWorld : I also agree that MH have some market advantages in terms of route connections, but it is not a huge overall intercontiental network. Air Asia also ha
206 NZ107 : However if you link MH with SkyTeam, you have a significant network. Much greater than what Air Asia will be able to provide over the short/mid term
207 Post contains links and images tayser : A question that I've been wanting to ask for a while. Has anyone -ever- taken off / landed at MEL on runway 9? Prevailing south westerly winds would e
208 jetfuel : MEL 09 is only used IF the xwind on 16/34 is too great
209 NZ107 : There must be some possibility of flights from PER or ADL using this runway when there are easterlies just like ones from NZ and SYD use 27 frequentl
210 aerokiwi : Yeah at least 5 times in the past 18 months, if memory serves. Only landed on it once though, on a flight from Perth. Isit really as rare as you say?
211 Post contains images 747m8te : I have landed on it twice...once from ADL and another from PER, and taken off from it once on a flight to CBR if my memory is correct but relatively
212 AJ : Many times when I used to operate ADL-MEL in the MU-2 on night freight. On the 767 I've taken off on it once and landed on it about 5 times. When 16/
213 NZ107 : Exactly, MEL has a system where it uses the runway which is most economical for the direction travelling to/from. If they're using Rwy 27, planes hea
214 vhmathy : Etihad has started to cancel flights to SYD and MEL in response to all the cancelled European flights. Just goes to show how much of their traffic is
215 smi0006 : QR is only acepting pax traveling onwards from DOH (excluding of course most of Europe) anyone booked to most European ports is not being permitted t
216 Post contains links RobMEL : Tiger have confirmed (but not formally announced) they will start flights from AVV later this year. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/t...-year/story
217 thegeek : They are probably less useful for JQ than QF as leisure pax would rarely be carrying on. Mostly just visiting friends & relatives people. But how
218 ABpositive : Good news, just saw that as well. Out of curiosity, how many pax does AVV handle? Wiki says about 1.5mil, but not sure how accurate that is. Also, is
219 IndianicWorld : Great news regarding AVV service but just not sure how well it will do. The terminal expansion idea is a good one though.
220 Post contains links tayser : MEL quarterly results: http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/A...solid-growth-in-third-quarter.html Melbourne Airport today reported positive passenger r
221 Post contains images winglets747 : For the first part about the biz class seat, it's again about creating new demand. Some people would not pay $5k return for a biz seat but would at $
222 thegeek : It was directed at the anti-kiosk lobby generally. Once you have some check in kiosks, I expect the cost for more is relatively marginal.
223 alangirvan : What Tiger have not yet said is whether AVV services will duplicate MEL services, or they will move some MEL services to AVV. Getting to/from AVV is
224 tayser : Not really - the Western suburbs are easily accessible to both, but for the vast majority of Melbourne, MEL is closer (regardless of Citylink tolls /
225 Post contains links tayser : Actually, no I'm wrong - a runway (2km) wouldnt have fit on the site http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&s...379&spn=0.012675,0.027874&t=h&
226 AirbusA322 : There is not any routes from Tullamarine that are to be axed and shifted to Avalon. Frontrunners. AVV-ADL (to rotate aircraft through base) AVV-SYD A
227 pugsley : I was just looking on the tiger airways australia website, and on its home page it lists MEL-CNS as a new route, with one way fares starting at $98. I
228 TN486 : Thread 36 is now up and running..................................
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