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Is This A Passenger Jet?  
User currently offlineMontenegro From Italy, joined May 1999, 545 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1407 times:


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Airborne Express, is this a crgo or pax currier? I saw this plane with windows and I'm asking if actually it is a pax plane or only cargo?

Thank you.

Savo; Salerno, ITALIA

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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

This is a cargo carrier. Been around for a while. I don't know to much more about the company though, sorry.

Regards


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Oops, should have mentioned that Airborne purchased converted 767's a while back.

User currently offlineFlyboy767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1253 times:

There was an article on this cargo carrier in Airliner World a couple of months ago I believe...I forget exactly which one though.

User currently offlineAviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1234 times:

G'day Savo

Check out for some history on the airline, and also their current routes.

Cheers

Scotty
Aviatsiya/Авиация


User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 1206 times:

Airborne Express is an express courrier with no passenger ops as far as I know. They use specific ULDs that can be loaded through the normal passenger front door, that's the reason why there is no cargo door on the main deck. The 767s are early -281s series bought from ANA.

Rgds
OO-AOG



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2898 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

"special ULDs that can be loaded through the normal passenger front door"??? Are you joking or what? The door is only ~80cm wide. How many ULD will you need for a 762? 30? 40? 50???

I don't know anything about Airbornes 767s, maybe I'm wrong but I really can't imagine them using ULDs through the passenger door! I'd say they use them as parcel freighters, no ULDs but parcel-nets.

Any other opinions??


User currently offlineAmbasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Ndebele

I dont know about the 767, but they most certainly have special ULD's for the DC9's, these are loaded through the passenger door.


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

There are special containers for the 767, since the door is bigger. But, the containers from the DC-8/9 will fit into the 767 and they ARE used. There is no cargo door. The upper deck is used for these ULDs and the cargo bay holds more of these containers I believe.

User currently offlineHerbie99 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Airborne Express is based out of Seattle, but its hub is located in Wilmington, OH. Wilmington is about halfway between Cincinnati and Columbus. The airport that Airborne is based from used to be Clinton County AFB. But in 1977, the USAF abandoned it, and Airborne moved in.

User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Ndebele,

Well, what ever you call these ULDs, they are loaded through a passenger door and you will notice that there's a lack of cargo door on all Airborne's 767s.



Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1068 times:

most Cargo aircraft with windows are converted passenger aircraft, normally 707's, DC8's, 727's, A300's and B767's although there are some rare exceptions too.

EGGD


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

there was a great article in airways about the airborne express 767's. They came from ana.

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2898 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

OO-AOG, unfortunately I won't notice the lack of cargo doors on the Airborne 762s (I live in Germany, where Airborne 767s are really rare!)

Okay, I believe you that they use the passenger door for ULDs. But, can anybody tell me how *many* ULDs you need to fill a 767 main deck??


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 984 times:

It also looks like Airborne has put a few of TWA's old -231s in service as well, 4 of them. The remaining 5 are stored, and may be on their way as well. Rumors were a few weeks back that Ansetts 762s were going to Airborne as well.

T.J.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 943 times:

The article in Airways was quite good indeed, including a section on how Airborne Express converts the aircraft from pax to cargo. The 747 also has windows on its lower deck in older models, and the upper deck (even on the 744F) has windows for the crew.

Jeff


User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 941 times:

I saw two of those converted 767's at FAT last weekend. They looked quite smart out on the cargo apron.


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