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User currently offlineseemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 947 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Does/did JL operate charters to European and North American cities? If so which cities receive JL charters?

Thanks.  


seemyseems
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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1050 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

JAL operates a large number of charter flights and they are still very much active in the charter market.

The cities vary because it depends on where the Japan Tourism Board (or other charterers) decide to run tours to in a certain year/month etc. Some destinations may have a small number of charters in just a certain month of the year while others may have a fairly regular charter schedule year-round.

In Europe, the tours generally involve either -:

Zagreb/Dubrovnik
Budapest/Prague
Zurich
Milan/Rome

In North America, the usual destinations are -:

Anchorage/Fairbanks
Montreal/Toronto
Las Vegas
Honolulu

There are also a lot of charters also to Australia, the Pacific islands and Southeast Asia.


Ryan in DFW
User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3735 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting seemyseems (Thread starter):
oes/did JL operate charters to European and North American cities? If so which cities receive JL charters?

Europe this summer (2010 / July-August-September)

AMS
SXF
PRG
BUD
VIE
ZRH
NCE
BCN
AGP
EDI
DBV
LJU
ATH
VCE
GVA


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 2):
Europe this summer (2010 / July-August-September)

AMS
SXF
PRG
BUD
VIE
ZRH
NCE
BCN
AGP
EDI
DBV
LJU
ATH
VCE
GVA

Can I ask where you found this information.

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1050 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 2):
EDI

Edinburgh? Do you know what dates they are due to operate these flights? And what equipment they will use?


Ryan in DFW
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 4):
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 2):
EDI

Edinburgh? Do you know what dates they are due to operate these flights? And what equipment they will use?

Thats the one I am interested in as well.

JL do codeshare with BA on a number of there LHR/EDI flights. Could it just be a connector.

User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3735 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

All those are confirmed, and won't give sources. EDI sees 1 charterflight only, B744 is planned. I can't disclose the dates yet.


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User currently offlineseemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 947 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):
Thats the one I am interested in as well.

Me too. Can passengers originate in the UK? Or is it only for passengers originating in Japan?


seemyseems
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 6):
All those are confirmed, and won't give sources. EDI sees 1 charterflight only, B744 is planned. I can't disclose the dates yet.

Can you say what airport the flight will depart from NRT/KIX?

Quoting seemyseems (Reply 7):
Me too. Can passengers originate in the UK? Or is it only for passengers originating in Japan?

Would have thought originate from Japan. It isn't unusual for 70-80 pax to connect onto BA's shuttle service from LHR each day during the height of the Summer season

[Edited 2010-03-06 15:20:57]

User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3735 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 8):
Can you say what airport the flight will depart from

NGO & NRT

So, 2 flights to EDI actually. One in the 2nd week of July, the other the first week of August.


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
So, 2 flights to EDI actually. One in the 2nd week of July, the other the first week of August.

Still skeptical. As nothing on any JL site

EDI as a destination for a JL charter would not be a suprise. As I said earlier EDI see's alot of tourists during the EDI festival and the dates would fit that well.

Do you know if a 747 what config?. It will be interesting to see how EDI copes with a 744 especially if it is a high density one.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 11545 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 1):
Honolulu

Don't they also have a flight several times a week to Kona? I thought I saw something like NRT-KOA-HNL-NRT on a 767 if I remember correctly.


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User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3735 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
Still skeptical. As nothing on any JL site

No need to be... and why would it be on JL's site then? Those flights are not open for sale...

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
Do you know if a 747 what config?

K13 is standard used for charters, but with current shifts and B744 retirement, another version might be used of course.


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
Still skeptical. As nothing on any JL site

No need to be... and why would it be on JL's site then? Those flights are not open for sale...

Looked on JAL site but can't see anything. Is it on there Japan Site or there European site

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1050 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3119 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
Don't they also have a flight several times a week to Kona? I thought I saw something like NRT-KOA-HNL-NRT on a 767 if I remember correctly.

That's not a charter flight. JAL has a scheduled NRT-KOA-HNL-NRT flight and it operates daily.

Though, they could very well have charters to KOA too.


Ryan in DFW
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 13):
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
Still skeptical. As nothing on any JL site

No need to be... and why would it be on JL's site then? Those flights are not open for sale...

Looked on JAL site but can't see anything. Is it on there Japan Site or there European site

My apologies I miss read your post. Thought it would be on JAL site as usually they issue a press release around October regarding charter flights

User currently onlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3033 times:
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Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):

Still skeptical. As nothing on any JL site

Charter schedules and announcements are not normally disclosed by JAL. They will show up internally for operational reasons, but rarely publicly. I wouldn't be surprised to see a JAL charter flight to EDI. If I didn't get to see the monthly flight schedule, I wouldn't know when charters come into my airport either.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 1):
Honolulu

Charters from Japan to Honolulu are from secondary cities in Japan and from HND.

User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

They also operate direct charter flights from Japan to Bergen (BGO) in Norway during summer season (Jun-Aug). Bergen is the 'Gateway to the Fjords' so that is the reason of the flights  

They come with both B747 and B777!

User currently offlineOlympicATH From Greece, joined Jul 2001, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Hi airbuseric!

Could you please tell us more about ATH? Approximately how many flights and from where?
Thanks in advance

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1050 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 13):
Looked on JAL site but can't see anything. Is it on there Japan Site or there European site

JAL usually puts out a press release with a summary of its JTB European summer charter schedule in April, so the information should be public in about a month or so. The press releases regarding charters are normally posted
on this page (Japanese) -:

http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/

Here is the announcement from last year with the summary of the summer 2009 schedule -:

http://press.jal.co.jp/ja/release/200904/001166.html

It’s in Japanese, but you can use Google translate get all the details.

A lot of the charters show up for booking as part of tours on this page (again, Japanese) -:

http://www.jal.co.jp/intltour/jmb/charter/


Ryan in DFW
User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 305 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Saw a JAL 744 (oneworld scheme) at MIA on the 4th of March...


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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1050 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 13):
Looked on JAL site but can't see anything. Is it on there Japan Site or there European site

I asked a friend of mine who works for JAL about this today and she confirmed that it is definitely true. She said the Edinburgh charters will occur on the following dates -:

NGO-EDI on Thursday 8th July
NRT-EDI on Thursday 5th August

Quoting OlympicATH (Reply 18):
Could you please tell us more about ATH? Approximately how many flights and from where?

It's hard to decipher the list so apologies in advance if I miss something out or get it wrong, but it looks like Athens will get two return flights from NRT and one from KIX -:

KIX-ATH on Thursday 15th July

NRT-ATH on Thursday 22nd July
ATH-KIX on Thursday 22nd July

NRT-ATH on Thursday 29th July
ATH-NRT on Thursday 29th July

ATH-NRT on Thursday 5th August


Ryan in DFW
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 21):

I asked a friend of mine who works for JAL about this today and she confirmed that it is definitely true. She said the Edinburgh charters will occur on the following dates -:

NGO-EDI on Thursday 8th July
NRT-EDI on Thursday 5th August

Thanks for the info don't suppose your friend knows what dates the return sectors from EDI to NGO and NRT are expected to operate. Also what a/c will be used??

User currently offlineOlympicATH From Greece, joined Jul 2001, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 21):
It's hard to decipher the list so apologies in advance if I miss something out or get it wrong, but it looks like Athens will get two return flights from NRT and one from KIX -:

KIX-ATH on Thursday 15th July

NRT-ATH on Thursday 22nd July
ATH-KIX on Thursday 22nd July

NRT-ATH on Thursday 29th July
ATH-NRT on Thursday 29th July

ATH-NRT on Thursday 5th August

Thanks a lot DFWEagle!

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1050 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 22):
Thanks for the info don't suppose your friend knows what dates the return sectors from EDI to NGO and NRT are expected to operate. Also what a/c will be used??

The equipment is indeed Boeing 747-400 for the Edinburgh charters. However, it seems that there are no return flights from EDI back to Japan. The tour groups fly into EDI and then work their way down to London and catch a flight home from there. The plane flies empty from EDI to somewhere else after the passengers have deplaned in Edinburgh. It seems an odd arrangement, but it could be that the runway in EDI is not sufficient for a fully loaded 744 to take off with enough fuel for the long trip back to Japan.


Ryan in DFW
25 airbuseric: It's not odd at all. The B744s are ferried for a short run to elsewhere in Europe from where a return charter to Japan is operating. For example, thi
26 Post contains images DFWEagle: OK Interesting.. That makes sense for the most efficient use of the aircraft. But one question that I have is how do they handle the crew for these f
27 airbuseric: Cabin crew is mix use on B777/B744 type. So they can do both. Crew are mixed out with crew operating on the regular flights (LHR/AMS/FRA/CDG). Crew st
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