dairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 237 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5436 times:
I m just waiting that TG restart its New York Service as it was announced - but I can not see any date in the reservation system or Thai's website. Does anyone know?
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3911 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5347 times:
Quoting dairy (Thread starter): I m just waiting that TG restart its New York Service as it was announced - but I can not see any date in the reservation system or Thai's website. Does anyone know?
I was under the impression the A345 was being retired early from the TG fleet and leased to SA due the LR route not being profitable...?
DTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5285 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 1): I was under the impression the A345 was being retired early from the TG fleet and leased to SA due the LR route not being profitable...?
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3911 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5233 times:
Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 2): Quoting EK413 (Reply 1):
I was under the impression the A345 was being retired early from the TG fleet and leased to SA due the LR route not being profitable...?
BKK-LAX-BKK is still using the A345
Cheers...
I take it these birds have a bright future within TG...?
warreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 683 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting EK413 (Reply 3): I take it these birds have a bright future within TG...?
IIRC, they (TG) announced that they could not find a suitable buyer (price was not right) for the sale of the A345's.
Therefore, the A345's are being kept in the fleet. However, TG plans to re-configure them (seat layout) to be more economical.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4919 times:
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 5): Yes, F to go out, and More Y seats, reduced J and Y+.
There is no F on these birds actually Y+ to go with less J and more Y.
As for NYC returning for TG, i've not read anything official, only certain people saying they have heard from different sources, nothing confirmed AFAIK.
dairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4816 times:
IIRC there was an official media communique where it was stated that they wanted to restart from New York,
Now that CO joined Star Alliance they choosed EWR to be the "new" airport in New York.
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 5): Yes, F to go out, and More Y seats, reduced J and Y+
The TG A345 has never had F-Class! (Only 744 and 346 in the fleet to have F)
TG's A345s do not have an F section, and one might argue that the addition of a small First cabin may actually be warranted. The biggest problem with the current configuration is that, with its 60 seats, the J cabin is too large.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11953 posts, RR: 37 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4434 times:
So glad that these aircraft aren't leaving the TG fleet - world's best combination of aircraft and livery, in my view. Gorgeous airplane!
Might they consider operated to NYC via a European destination, if they restart - perhaps somewhere in Northern Europe, so they could have a "great circle" effect.
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 9): And they should take it herringbone like VS/9W if they can fit in the regular biz class.
And yes, 60 is too much.
60 may be too much, but I doubt they'll go for Herringbone; CX went to that layout and is soon to introduce a new J Class, so bad was the reaction to it. I don't know how others have fared, but I think it's noteworthy that although VS has that layout on its A346s, V Australia went for the standard layout on its new 77Ws; there may be wishful thinking in this comment, but I think the days of herringbone may be numbered.
I think Y+ definitely has a future; I see J Class taking over from Y and that will create a market for people who want a little more comfort than standard Y, but don't want to pay the huge amount more that J requires - just slightly wider legroom, slightly more pitch, maybe a few more goodies besides. That said, it's fair to say that apart from BR, NH and JL (the latter two only on a limited basis), none of the oher major Asian players have gone down that road.
inesilio From Italy, joined Sep 2009, 53 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4376 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 11): Might they consider operated to NYC via a European destination, if they restart - perhaps somewhere in Northern Europe, so they could have a "great circle" effect.
I know it's not the shortest route but through FCO would be magnificent. Oh not to be hostage to AZ and the American carriers.... CO would probably have something to say about it though...
dairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4266 times:
Quoting Vadheim (Reply 10): Where do TG use their A340-500 these days?
Nowadays mainly to LAX and ATH. Before they also served JFK and OSL.
Sometimes they replaced A346 to HKG or PEK ( ZRH, MXP and DME in the past; even on the routes to SIN, KUL, CNX and HKT they have been operating, but rarely.)
ewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3927 times:
It would be nice to see another asian carrier serving EWR, hopefully everything comes together and I'm assuming THAI is hoping on getting some CO domestic feed also.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
Quoting dairy (Reply 13): Nowadays mainly to LAX and ATH.
Can you believe they are used on ATH??
This is probably one of the lowest yield sectors with least demand from J class.
The quicker TG reconfig these aircraft, the better.
I suspect many happy customers being upgraded on these flights.
OlympicATH From Greece, joined Jul 2001, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3663 times:
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 15): Can you believe they are used on ATH??
This is probably one of the lowest yield sectors with least demand from J class.
I never really understood what Thai was thinking when they decided to send the 345 to ATH.
That being said, Thai is replacing the A340-500 with the 777-300 on BKK-ATH for the summer schedule (March 28th). The route will be operated 4 weekly (up from 3). Quite a big change and increase in capacity, from 3 weekly 60C/40Y+/113Y to 4 weekly 34C/330Y, don't you think?
I'm actually flying ATH-BKK on the 345 on March 25th and BKK-ATH on the 773 on April 7th. Although I'm flying in Y, I have to admit I'm quite excited about it (especially the 36-inch pitch on the 345!).
I'm quite curious to see what the loads will be like, especially in C and Y+ on the 345 (I'm sure they're not having a hard time filling the 113 seats in Y, not so sure about the 330 seats on the 773 though.)
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3911 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3383 times:
Quoting dairy (Reply 13): Sometimes they replaced A346 to HKG or PEK ( ZRH, MXP and DME in the past; even on the routes to SIN, KUL, CNX and HKT they have been operating, but rarely.
SYD have received the odd A345 substituting the A346...
jayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1000 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 11): 60 may be too much, but I doubt they'll go for Herringbone; CX went to that layout and is soon to introduce a new J Class, so bad was the reaction to it. I don't know how others have fared, but I think it's noteworthy that although VS has that layout on its A346s, V Australia went for the standard layout on its new 77Ws; there may be wishful thinking in this comment, but I think the days of herringbone may be numbered.
What?
CX is getting a new J?
Hey haven't even completed refitting the old planes and so soon a new J?
I dont think so...
Quoting OlympicATH (Reply 16): That being said, Thai is replacing the A340-500 with the 777-300 on BKK-ATH for the summer schedule (March 28th)
I think it was only to keep the plane active.ATH has lower airport taxes. So flying there may earn a little bit revenue than nothing.Better than keeping the plane in BKK for rusting.
Vadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 618 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
I think Oslo and Athens switch between the TG A340-500 & B777-200.
Oslo has a daily TG B777-200 service to Bangkok during winter (oct-mar), while a 5 x weekly A340-500 service during summer (apr-sep). Athens has the A340-500 during winter and B777-200 during summer, but with a slightly different frequency!
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4652 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2774 times:
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 18): What?
CX is getting a new J?
Hey haven't even completed refitting the old planes and so soon a new J?
I dont think so...
A new JCL for CX is indeed in the works, lots of speculation this is a result of the adverse reaction to the present configuration they have.
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OlympicATH From Greece, joined Jul 2001, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
Quoting Vadheim (Reply 19): I think Oslo and Athens switch between the TG A340-500 & B777-200.
Oslo has a daily TG B777-200 service to Bangkok during winter (oct-mar), while a 5 x weekly A340-500 service during summer (apr-sep). Athens has the A340-500 during winter and B777-200 during summer, but with a slightly different frequency!
Not exactly. ATH got 3 weekly 772 flights last summer and last winter, but it's getting the 773 this summer (along with one more frequency).
3 weekly 345 winter 2009-10, 4 weekly 773 summer 2010.
SASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 663 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8): and one might argue that the addition of a small First cabin may actually be warranted. The biggest problem with the current configuration is that, with its 60 seats, the J cabin is too large.
Totally agree with your thoughts here. A first class cabin with 8 seats like on the 346 I think would be the right way to go, considering the lengthy flights these A/C are supposed to fly (EWR/JFK-BKK and LAX-BKK). At the same time they should reduse their J cabin from 60 seats to 30 seats like they have on all their 777-200's.
Both changes would make TG's infamous last minute plane swaps easier on the premium pax
OT: Does anyone know when/if TG is going to refit the last six 747's with new F and J?
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 23): At the same time they should reduse their J cabin from 60 seats to 30 seats like they have on all their 777-200's.
Agree. The times that I have flown LAX-BKK in J, it has been less than 50% full. I did notice that Y+ had higher loads than J.
25 HB-IWC: As far as I know, there are current plans for a retrofit of these 6 aircraft. Yet another move by TG that is difficult to fathom and that will prolon
26 SASDC8: Thanks answering my question I guess you mean that there are no plans for retrofit? As far as I know those 6 not retrofit are the 6 newest 747's? May
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