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Airport Animal Control - Who Knew?  
User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

So, we are all familiar with the efforts to "manage" birds in airport environments but the following video really brings into focus the need for general animal control efforts as well. Made me wonder if there has ever been an engine ingestion incident involving a four-legged creature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhE3zGIbJs

Reggaebird

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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8564 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8600 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
Made me wonder if there has ever been an engine ingestion incident involving a four-legged creature.

I am pretty sure that a few years ago 8 legs went through an engine in the Phillipines when two dogs 'in the act' were involved in a ground incident .



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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
I am pretty sure that a few years ago 8 legs went through an engine in the Phillipines when two dogs 'in the act' were involved in a ground incident .

LOL! Is that for real or a joke. I never heard that one before. Sounds like an urban legend.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25288 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
So, we are all familiar with the efforts to "manage" birds in airport environments but the following video really brings into focus the need for general animal control efforts as well. Made me wonder if there has ever been an engine ingestion incident involving a four-legged creature.

Not sure about engine ingestion, but there are frequent coyote reports in the daily Canadian incident reports, including the occasional one struck by an aircraft. There have been 13 "coyote on or near runway" reports in Canada in the last 3 weeks. The two below from February 4 and February 24.

The Air Canada Boeing 777-233LR aircraft (operating as flight ACA093) was concluding a scheduled IFR flight from Santiago (Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez) International Airport, Chile (SCEL) to Toronto (LBPIA) (CYYZ). The aircraft landed on runway 05 at 1108Z and struck a coyote. The runway was closed and returned to service at 1148Z.

WJA4059, WestJet Boeing 737-7CT, enroute from Moncton (CYQM) to Toronto (CYYZ), struck and killed a coyote on departure from Runway 06. The aircraft was advised and the flight crew elected to continue to destination.

Coyotes aren't the only wildlife at Canadian airports. Two other examples below.

November 29, 2009

CAV7999, Calm Air Hawker Siddeley 748, was inbound to land RWY25 at Churchill MB (CYYQ). When the a/c was short final FSS noticed 2 polar bears entering RWY25, FSS informed CAV7999 of the bears and the a/c initiated a missed approach and landed safely on RWY33 at 2113Z.

October 8, 2009

NAV CANADA staff at Sudbury Municipal Airport (CYSB) F.S.S. observed four (4) black bears on the main apron. Security staff were advised and successfully scared them away.

[Edited 2010-03-07 16:23:50]

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8564 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8122 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 2):
never heard that one before. Sounds like an urban legend.

I certainly believed it to be true as I heard it several different times from several different sources and it was always PR and it was always a BAC 1-11 , normally urban legends change details as they move around , however , I have spent a couple of hours trying to trace the incident and have to admit that I have drawn a blank . Any members from the Phillipines care to comment ? I am thinking somewhere around 25-30 years ago at a smaller domestic airport ?



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User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8087 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
Made me wonder if there has ever been an engine ingestion incident involving a four-legged creature.

While I can't link to a specific incident report, given the number of animals that get hit I'd be amazed if there hasn't been an engine ingestion of at least one, somewhere.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
coyote

Flying in Southern Ontario, cyotes seem to be the animal of choice around these parts. I've personally seen them on runways, aprons, etc. Happily (at least for us, not so much for the coyote) they tend not to do much/any damage to aircraft if/when they do get hit. Of course it's better to avoid them if possible (for them and us).

There's actually a good little article in the March edition of the COPA newsletter (Section B, Page 5 - if you have a hard copy) about this issue. It hasn't been posted online yet, but when they get around to it, it'd be here, under March 2010: http://copanational.org/ChocktoChock.cfm

Cheers



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10416 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
I certainly believed it to be true as I heard it several different times from several different sources and it was always PR and it was always a BAC 1-11 ,

I can't imagine two dogs being ingested into the engines on a BAC 1-11, considering the placement of the engines. Hell, the noise alone should scare them off!  Wink

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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8564 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8016 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 6):
Hell, the noise alone should scare them off!

Two dogs in flagrante delicto probably wouldn't even be aware that there was an aircraft anywhere near them - have you ever tried to distract two dogs when they are doing it "like they do on Discovery Channel" ?  



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10416 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
Two dogs in flagrante delicto probably wouldn't even be aware that there was an aircraft anywhere near them - have you ever tried to distract two dogs when they are doing it "like they do on Discovery Channel" ?

Well, yeah.....I shot one in the butt with my BB gun when they were going at it. THAT distracted him.  It still doesn't explain how they could be ingested into engines placed that high.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7931 times:

I believe an AA or UA bird and Bambi collided several years ago at BWI. This supposedly happened before I began working for FL. Then, it probably sounded like Thumper on board. Sorry for the bad humor couldn't resist. ツ


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User currently offlinecf6ppe From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Here are a couple of former A-Net threads discussing animals on airport(s) property....

And The #1 Airport In The USA For Birdstrikes Is..
And The #1 Airport In The USA For Birdstrikes Is.. (by B6JFKH81 Apr 24 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Wierd Engine Ingestions!
Wierd Engine Ingestions! (by OMA2FAI2SAV Nov 27 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7655 times:

Here are a couple of photos after a King Air collided with a deer. The deer was struck by the #2 propeller.

WARNING!!! THE FOLLOWING PICTURES ARE GRAPHIC:

















User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7638 times:

I have seen the following in the runway environment: dogs, coyotes, deer, cats, jackrabbits, cows, horses, turtles, rattlesnakes and people. This is especially fun at night.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8564 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7618 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 8):
It still doesn't explain how they could be ingested into engines placed that high.

I must admit that I hadn't thought about that ... it seems my long-cherished story has a few holes in it - I wish I could remember one or two of the sources but it was a looooooooong time ago that I read it ( plus or minus 20 years I would guess ) even so I would still swear on a whole stack of Airways magazines that it did happen , and that it happened in the Phillipines .



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User currently offlineNC1844V From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7600 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 11):
Here are a couple of photos after a King Air collided with a deer. The deer was struck by the #2 propeller.

Looks like the deer bit the farm on that runway crossing.

Its not to uncommon for aircraft to come in contact with 4 legged animals. Specially at smaller, regional airports. Back when LoneStar airlines was running service from KDFW to KBWD, They struck a dear on landing into Brownwood (KBWD) with their Metroliner.



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10416 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
I must admit that I hadn't thought about that ... it seems my long-cherished story has a few holes in it - I wish I could remember one or two of the sources but it was a looooooooong time ago that I read it ( plus or minus 20 years I would guess ) even so I would still swear on a whole stack of Airways magazines that it did happen , and that it happened in the Phillipines .

Well, that's okay. As long as you don't tell the story on A.net, you'll probably get away with it!  



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User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

There are foxes at LHR living within the aircraft boundary.. They are "encouraged " as they help with bird scaring and they eat runwaykill.
Fox on apron LHR 27Sep 2005 stand 311 at 22.45hrs. Image taken thru triple glazing of SAS Ops

At Lgw I understand thatr there are deer living within the boundary.
In neither case have I heard of there being any problems.......
Regards
Tony



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7506 times:
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There was a thread a while back about a plane hitting a cow - in Ghana, if I'm not mistaken.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Both SXF and HHN have a licenced hunter (in HHN´s case he is a falconer as well) hired by the respective airport company.
In HHN I have seen deer and wild boars outside the fence (but still on aitport property), I´m quite sure that they sometimes get inside the fence as well.
Inside the fence at HHN at night I have seen rabbits (duh, you´ll have them at every airport, in CGN there were thousands of them), hares, foxes, a Mommy badger with her cubs, stoats, plenty of bats and cats. Concerning birds, we have falcons living and breeding in the roof structure of our hangar, they are tolerated, since they keep the hangar free of rats and mice and help in scaring off birds like starlings from the airport.

Jan


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25288 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
There was a thread a while back about a plane hitting a cow - in Ghana, if I'm not mistaken.

In 2005 an AF A330-200 landing at PHC in Nigeria hit a herd of cows that was on the runway, killing several of them. The news item below says the aircraft wasn't damaged (which is hard to believe), but other news reports said there was significant damage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4659281.stm

Quoting NC1844V (Reply 14):
Quoting bohica (Reply 11):
Here are a couple of photos after a King Air collided with a deer. The deer was struck by the #2 propeller.

Looks like the deer bit the farm on that runway crossing.

Last Saturday, a Cessna 208 Caravan operated by a Canadian cargo carrier struck a deer while taking off (at night) from a small airport in Chatham, Ontario. Excerpts from two related Transport Canada daily incident reports:

The pilot advised London F.I.C. staff of hearing a "thump" on departure off of runway 24. The pilot thought that an animal may have been hit so the aircraft was flown back for a low pass but the pilot did not see anything. London F.I.C. staff informed the Chatham/Kent Airport Manager who was going to follow-up. The follow-up report was received at 0145Z and it indicated that there were many deer parts strewn about the runway. A NOTAM was issued closing runway 06/24 until 0500Z.

The Prince Edward Air Ltd. - Cargojet Regional Cessna 208 Caravan aircraft (operating as flight CME802) was concluding an IFR flight from Chatham/Kent Airport (CNZ3) to Hamilton (CYHM). The pilot reported that on departure, the aircraft had struck an animal. The pilot informed the Toronto ACC Sector Controller that there may be damage to the aircraft's nose and right main landing gear and requested that ARFF services be on standby for arrival at Hamilton. The aircraft landed on runway 06 without brakes but exited the runway without incident. The aircraft was then towed to the apron.


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User currently offlineluv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7318 times:
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So any word on what happened to the animal in the video?

It ends with an "RIP," but it didn't look like they took it out..

When an aircraft hits, for example, a deer at an airport like MCO, who would be liable?

On one hand, the airlines pay the airport to take care of these types of things, but on the other hand, I'd hate to see that insurance bill.

Quoting mayor (Reply 8):
Well, yeah.....I shot one in the butt with my BB gun when they were going at it. THAT distracted him. It still doesn't explain how they could be ingested into engines placed that high.

Jw, what was the point of shooting it with a BB?



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

A Bulgarian colleague once told me about some job he had working on AN-12 for some UN famine relief operation IIRC somewhere in northern Nigeria. The airfield where he was based, was used by several airlines involved in food deliveries to outlaying villages and didn´t have a fence. Now again and again they had goats "wandering" onto the active (only) "runway" (a dirt strip), which then got struck by aircraft taking off or landing. The owner got then compensated by the UN.
One day a C-130 took off, when the crew noticed a herdsman actively shooing the goats into the way of the aircraft.
They did a full stop and, as my colleague described "the loadmaster, a huge black American jumped out and grabbed the goatherder and lifted him up towards a spinning prop". He didn´t feed him into the prop, but the "goatstrikes" stopped from then on. Apparently the compensation the herders received from the UN was much higher than the local market rate for a goat, so making the goats run into the path of an aircraft was good business for the herd owners. And with the loadmaster being black himself, they couldn´t pull the race card.

Jan


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