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When Will QF Operate A380 SYD-BKK-LHR?  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

Hi All,

QF will be taking delivery of 2 A380's VH-OQG and VH-OQH later this year...

I understand this will enable an upgrade of equipment B744 to A380 on the MEL-LAX and MEL-SIN-LHR routes, however kept me wondering when will we see the SYD-BKK-LHR sector operated by A380 equipment...???


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

Well QF currently have 6 A380s. It takes 10 to operate a daily flight on SYD/MEL-LAX, SYD-SIN-LHR & MEL-SIN-LHR. So I think it would be fair to say not until number 11 is delivered, at the earliest. No 11 is currently expected in Q3 2011, so IF QF decide to upgrade QF1/2 after the above routes are daily A380 I'd say you are looking at early 2012. It is of course possible that they may decide to upgrade something else first, in which case you are looking at 2013/14 for QF 1/2 to be upgraded.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8583 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
2013/14 for QF 1/2 to be upgraded.

Very disappointed to hear the QF1 / QF2 hasn't been considered to be upgraded any sooner  
From previous flights which I have booked via QF, the SYD-BKK flight is usually fully booked...

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User currently offlineCamohe From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

QF have stated they will withdraw First Class from this route. Of their 20 A380s delivered/on order the first 12 have a First Class cabin. Therefore, if they decide to introduce the A380 on this route it would be using one of the remaining 8 A380s which will be delivered in a 3 class config (J, PE, & Y). I am not sure when the first of these3 class aircraft are due for delivery but I don't think it would be before 2012 at the earliest.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8502 times:
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As an aside I wonder whether they will amend the flight numbers on the kangaroo route when these changes happen . Airlines tend to use flights numbers such as 1 and 2 on their 'flagship' routes - I realise that there is no logical reason why they cant keep the number QF1/2 for flights without first class but marketing is not always about what is logical .


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User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

Quoting Camohe (Reply 3):
QF have stated they will withdraw First Class from this route.

Is this official? Do you have any sources?
If it really is, that would leave F pax to fly with BA then?

With the current economy situation, I don't think QF will use their A380s on SYD-BKK-LHR anytime soon.  
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
It takes 10 to operate a daily flight on SYD/MEL-LAX, SYD-SIN-LHR & MEL-SIN-LHR.

10? I thought they only need 8 for all routes mentioned. Maybe their A380s are being parked too long in LAX and LHR for better departure time?



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8289 times:

Quoting nethkt (Reply 5):
Is this official? Do you have any sources?
If it really is, that would leave F pax to fly with BA then?

Well QF said the oly LHR routes to keep F will be MEL/SYD-SIN-LHR.
Yes if BA stay on the route which they probably will for now with the JSA.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 5):
It takes 10 to operate a daily flight on SYD/MEL-LAX, SYD-SIN-LHR & MEL-SIN-LHR.

10? I thought they only need 8 for all routes mentioned. Maybe their A380s are being parked too long in LAX and LHR for better departure time?

3 each for MEL/SYD-SIN-LHR each daily plus 2 each for daily SYD/MEL-LAX. The aircraft do sit at LAX and LHR for the whole day but thats to do with offering the best schedules to get the best connections. LHR-SYD departs at midday so that aircraft only sits for 5-6 hours compared to LHR-MEL where the aircraft sits for 15-16.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8082 times:

ZK-NBT and others the long pause at LAX is to do with noise abatement and night curfew at Sydney.

The A388 does NOT STAY at LHR all day but just 6 HOURS again the Sydney curfew is a defining point .
QANTAS have some of those rare night slots at Heathrow so can land before 6 am each day.

As for the use of QF001/002 would certainly see it being swapped with QF009/010 if the route via BKK drops First.

Until relatively recently 001/002 went via Singapore anyway.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5319 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Quoting nethkt (Reply 5):
Is this official? Do you have any sources?

QF have publically said it will only be SYD/MEL-LAX and SYD/MEL-SIN-LHR that will have F class. So HKG and BKK will loose QF F.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 5):
If it really is, that would leave F pax to fly with BA then?

As long as BA continue to operate the route. I wouldn't be surprised if BA pull out of SYD completely and send say a 3 class 777 LHR-BKK.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
ZK-NBT and others the long pause at LAX is to do with noise abatement and night curfew at Sydney.


Pretty much what I said to allow the best schedules and connections, but yes SYD does indeed have a curfew!

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
The A388 does NOT STAY at LHR all day but just 6 HOURS again the Sydney curfew is a defining point .
QANTAS have some of those rare night slots at Heathrow so can land before 6 am each day.

Only for the SYD flights which leave at midday, the SIN-MEL flight leaves around 2200 after it arrives as you say before 0600.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Until relatively recently 001/002 went via Singapore anyway.

It probably did at some stage, but I'd have to admit the last 10 years or so I've been spotting and had a close interest in aviation I always remember it as SYD-BKK-LHR, it did extend to MEL a few years ago.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 9):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Until relatively recently 001/002 went via Singapore anyway.

It probably did at some stage, but I'd have to admit the last 10 years or so I've been spotting and had a close interest in aviation I always remember it as SYD-BKK-LHR, it did extend to MEL a few years ago.

I am not positive, but I really do not think the QF 1/2 flight number was ever used from SIN. It certainly has not been used via SIN for at least 20 years (which I would not consider "relatively recently). It may have been in B742/743 days, before SYD-BKK was non stop, but that was around the time of the great flight number rejig which introduced QF 1/2, so maybe not even then.

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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7971 times:
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Quoting Gemuser (Reply 10):
I am not positive, but I really do not think the QF 1/2 flight number was ever used from SIN.

Way back in the early 747 days I am sure it was used for SYD-SIN-BAH-LHR.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7908 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
Way back in the early 747 days I am sure it was used for SYD-SIN-BAH-LHR.

Possibly, but that wasn't "relatively recently". TN486, can you help please?

Gemuser

[Edited 2010-03-07 02:43:34]


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Gemuser

Last time it dropped in Bahrain on scheduled must have been about a quarter of a century ago with a B747-238B surely !


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 13):
Last time it dropped in Bahrain on scheduled must have been about a quarter of a century ago with a B747-238B surely

At least, if not more!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineGroup51 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

The first time I went to Singapore, I think was in 1985 and then the BA flight stopped in Muscat. So that was 25 years ago. Gosh. I feel old now.

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

Quoting Group51 (Reply 15):
Gosh. I feel old now

Join the club. Last week I went back to one of my favorite haunts as a child, the Queenscliff rock [swimming] pool. As I sat there contemplating the scene I realised that it was 50 years since I had last been there! That's a great way to feel really, really OLD!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 16):
Join the club. Last week I went back to one of my favorite haunts as a child, the Queenscliff rock [swimming] pool. As I sat there contemplating the scene I realised that it was 50 years since I had last been there! That's a great way to feel really, really OLD

showing your age mate!!

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 12):
Possibly, but that wasn't "relatively recently". TN486, can you help please

Yes, and No!! The revamp of the QF flight numbers occurred on or about Jan 74. Mar 74 timetable shows a heap of different routings for QF 1 but they all originated in MEL with a 707 and picked up the 747B out of SYD. On all days flew direct SYD - SIN - BAH (some days via KUL after SIN) , then options like FRA, VIE, DAM and AMS featured in differing days of the week then on to LHR. By 1981 it was a straight MEL-SIN-BAH-LHR 747B. By Apr 1994 QF 1 was flying MEL-SYD-BKK-LHR. I am unable to confirm the dates SIN and BAH were dropped and BKK was introduced (although I assume the change would have been simultaneous.) I am unable to locate at this point my QF schedules from 82 thru 93.   



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 17):
MEL-SIN-BAH-LHR

OOPS, bad proof read, it was MEL-SYD-SIN-BAH-LHR, sorry people.



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6589 times:
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Quoting Gemuser (Reply 12):
Possibly, but that wasn't "relatively recently".

No , it wasn't , "relatively recently" , but as below you questioned whether it had "ever" been used from SIN - I was just pointing out that it had been ( albeit long long ago in a galaxy far far away )  
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 10):
I am not positive, but I really do not think the QF 1/2 flight number was ever used from SIN.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 17):
Yes, and No!!

Thank you! One thing about this board, you do learn something new every day!

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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5573 times:

As mentioned above 12 A380s will have F, J, PE, Y and the last 8 will have J, PE, Y.

Now regarding the B744: Only 9 will remain. That is OJS/T/U (the last three B744s they received) and the 6 ERs. All 9 will receive the new three class config. J, PE, Y and the new Panasonic AVOD as found on the A380 and new A332.

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User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

Quoting TN486
I am unable to confirm the dates SIN and BAH were dropped and BKK was introduced (although I assume the change would have been simultaneous.) I am unable to locate at this point my QF schedules from 82 thru 93.

BAH was dropped in 1990. I clearly remember it - it was dropped at the same tim as ATH, AMS and BOM.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

BKK won't get A380 until after 1x SYD-LAX, 1x MEL-LAX, and 2x via SIN flights are all A380 daily. Then it is likely that BKK will get it over HKG first but this could change.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Quoting nethkt (Reply 5):
With the current economy situation, I don't think QF will use their A380s on SYD-BKK-LHR anytime soon.

It's amazing QF number route QF1 / QF2 will be one of the last to have equipment upgrades...

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
As for the use of QF001/002 would certainly see it being swapped with QF009/010 if the route via BKK drops First.



Why would they drop the QF1 flight number status due to First class being dropped? Curious to know...

Quoting ANstar (Reply 8):
As long as BA continue to operate the route. I wouldn't be surprised if BA pull out of SYD completely and send say a 3 class 777 LHR-BKK.

If this was to happen then certainly we will see QF upgrade to A380 to carry BA pax SYD-BKK...?

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 9):
Pretty much what I said to allow the best schedules and connections, but yes SYD does indeed have a curfew!

Screw SYD and the curfew!!! SYD is a gateway and this curfew will certainly screw its position as Australia's major hub if you ask me...

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 21):
Now regarding the B744: Only 9 will remain. That is OJS/T/U (the last three B744s they received) and the 6 ERs. All 9 will receive the new three class config. J, PE, Y and the new Panasonic AVOD as found on the A380 and new A332.

So QF will end up with a fleet of 9 B744's and 20 A380... Interesting... How many B744 aircraft being retired...

EK413



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25 Post contains links TN486 : Once all of the 744 are retired, with the exceptions listed in post 21, my count is 18. Source: http://qflyer.icns.com.au/qantas.com That figure does
26 vhqpa : I can't see this happening. There is not much demand for F anymore, many carriers have dropped First class altogether. Even if so it would be more li
27 Kent350787 : Hmmmm......SYD is Australia's largest city by almost 1 million people. It also one of the few large cities with its major airport within 20mins of th
28 EK413 : I live within walking distance to the airport so I certainly would favour a lift on the curfew but that is a dream... We are able watch 34L and R dep
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