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What Is Going On With UA's 763s?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Hey all,

For about the last week or so, UA has been having 763 substitutions all over the domestic system. DEN alone, for about the past 5-6 days, has been getting at least 1x 744 each day in place of a 763 flight. Yesterday, 05MAR, we got two 744's in place of 763's. Tomorrow, 07MAR, there are two 763>744 subs as well as two 763>319 subs and two more 763>320 subs.

So.... what's going on?? Did half the fleet go hard down on MX??  

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

Maybe they're getting cracking on those cabin upgrades?
Or are the 763s already done? I know the 777s haven't been started.


User currently offlinejetboy2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Or are the 763s already done? I know the 777s haven't been started.

All of the 767s and 747s are completed. As of about a week ago the first 777 was in the hangar for the interior update. I would think that all of these swaps are to fill in for that 777.

Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
DEN alone, for about the past 5-6 days, has been getting at least 1x 744 each day in place of a 763 flight. Yesterday, 05MAR, we got two 744's in place of 763's. Tomorrow, 07MAR, there are two 763>744 subs as well as two 763>319 subs and two more 763>320 subs.

Maybe the 763s are filling in the 777's routes (ie: to Europe) until it comes out of the shop and so you receive a 747 because there is slack in that fleet.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Maybe they're getting cracking on those cabin upgrades?
Or are the 763s already done? I know the 777s haven't been started.

All of the international 763s have been converted. As well, all of the 747s have been converted. 777s are last man out. They were supposed to start the conversion process last month but I haven't seen any news of converted aircraft.

How long does it take to swap out an interior? Additionally, do they pull these guys out of service to do just the conversion or do they do the install during scheduled mx checks.



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User currently offlineUALPUFF From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 3):
How long does it take to swap out an interior? Additionally, do they pull these guys out of service to do just the conversion or do they do the install during scheduled mx checks.

It actually takes quite long. The first 777 came into the hangar on Feb 8 to begin the cabin conversion. Cycle time was to be 50 days. Currently it is behind schedule. It is a lot more complicated than just tearing out old seats and putting new ones in. This aircraft (2994) is the prototype for the conversion so hence it was given a 50 day cycle for the learning curve. Eventually cyle time will be down to about 20 days. Project will last about 3 years.


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

What routes were swapped?


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

747s can swap pretty easily since there a lot of spare 747s in the winter schedule. When the summer comes around, that will end.

The 767s have had some bad luck with mechanical problems that require long term fixes and damages to aircraft. It happens from time to time where a spike happens especially as a fleet ages. There are not that many substitute 767s, so flexibility is needed.



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User currently offlinehamster From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Quoting UALPUFF (Reply 4):
It is a lot more complicated than just tearing out old seats and putting new ones in.

How complicated is this process?

Does swapping 747's for 767's put a dent in the airliners bottom line?


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6560 times:

Quoting hamster (Reply 7):
Quoting UALPUFF (Reply 4):
It is a lot more complicated than just tearing out old seats and putting new ones in.

How complicated is this process?

From what I know they literally gut the interior of the aircraft. Every seat, lav, galley and closet is yanked out and new wiring for AVOD/cabin fixtures has to be installed. The plumbing needs to be switched around a bit for the galleys/lavs. I'm not sure if this is one of the planes that needs to have the lower lobe crew rest installed but if so that has to be put in place. They then need to reinstall every seat, lav, galley ect that was removed and then on top of it all the FAA needs to certify the configuration.



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User currently offlinePackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 8):
then on top of it all the FAA needs to certify the configuration.

The FAA certifies every single aircraft's configuration, or they certify the first aircraft, then this is part of what leads to the shorter time on future aircraft?



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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting UALPUFF (Reply 4):
Eventually cyle time will be down to about 20 days.

Wow. Do they time the cabin upgrade to coincide with other required maintenance? If so, what?

As an aside, I thought one of the selling points of the 777 was that the cabin was engineered in such a way as to allow for quick changes in configuration. I know this is an upgrade and not a configuration change but is the 777 easier to do a configuration change on?

Will this aircraft get the 3-3-3 coach seating?



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Where are the conversions taking place?

Thanks!



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting Packcheer (Reply 9):
The FAA certifies every single aircraft's configuration, or they certify the first aircraft, then this is part of what leads to the shorter time on future aircraft?

They certify the first aircraft...

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 11):
Where are the conversions taking place?

Some are being done by UA at SFO some are also being farmed out.

Quoting flylku (Reply 10):
Will this aircraft get the 3-3-3 coach seating?

Yes with AVOD



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User currently offlineairtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Humm, I'm flying LHR-ORD on the 24th, the flight is scheduled on a 763 but I really hope for a 744  


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