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China To Buy 218 Planes This Year  
User currently offlinefarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

According to China Daily today, China will buy 218 passenger aircrafts this year.

Any good guess as from whom?

The article also mentioned "including Jumbo Jets". To me jumbo jets means 747's but the chinese often use that for other airplanes, even their homegrown DC9, sorry I mean ARJ21, which is referred to as a "Superjumbo"? Anyway, did any Chinese Airline show interest in the 747i?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11754 times:
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Well the narrowbodies will likely come from the A320 line at TJN, so I'd think Boeing has an edge on the widebody order, since it's one of the few ways China can at least make a token attempt at addressing their trade imbalance with the US.

Whether that means a 747-8 order? *shrug*


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11372 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Well the narrowbodies will likely come from the A320 line at TJN, so I'd think Boeing has an edge on the widebody order, since it's one of the few ways China can at least make a token attempt at addressing their trade imbalance with the US.

I think that the A330, A350, and even the A380, will take the majority of the widebody orders.
In my view Airbus seems to be the preferred manufacture in China, at least order wise in the last few years.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2832 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11305 times:

Here is the "full" story. Unfortunately, there is no additional information within the article itself.

Quote:
BEIJING - China plans this year to buy 218 aircraft, including jumbo jets and regional planes, to meet surging demand, the head of the country's civil aviation agency said on Sunday.

China would expect 700 million passenger trips a year by 2020, and the number is likely to double by 2030, said Li Jiaxiang, director of the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).

Last year China's passenger transportation hit 230 million trips, and cargo freight volume reached 4.46 million tons.

This year the two figures are estimated to grow by 12 percent, Li said.

Cargo freight volume nearly doubled in the first two months this year, which got back to the level before the global financial crisis, he noted.

As a part of the nation's 4-trillion yuan ($585.7 billion) stimulus package, China built and upgraded 22 airports in 2009.

Li said 90 billion yuan will be invested in 25 airport expansion projects this year.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2010-03/08/content_9552628.htm

One or two years ago there was a thread about China's central procurement administration stopping all its aircraft purchase activities (I don't remember if it was due to the GFC or due to other reasons). Is this the end of that break?


User currently offlinefarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11181 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
In my view Airbus seems to be the preferred manufacture in China, at least order wise in the last few years.

You might be right, another article in China Daily some time ago said that China will take delivery of more than 100 Airbus planes this year. Probably including planes from the TJN line.

What will Boeing deliver to Chinese airlines this year?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6990 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11117 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Well the narrowbodies will likely come from the A320 line at TJN

Some certainly will but I'd be surprised if China didn't continue to buy 737s.

No A350s have so far been sold to China so I'd say that was a dead cert.

"Jumbos"? I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Some journalists call anything with two aisles a jumbo. Having said that, orders for A380s and/or 747s wouldn't surprise me.

One factor may, of course, be the current unusually sour relations between Beijing and Washington. Selling Patriots to Taiwan may turn out to have been a costly gesture...


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3401 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
One or two years ago there was a thread about China's central procurement administration stopping all its aircraft purchase activities (I don't remember if it was due to the GFC or due to other reasons). Is this the end of that break?

It was an annual thing wasn't it 100 737 and 100 A320s 

I would also be not that suprised if we finally see some more A380s for Chinese airlines as there's only been the 5 for CZ so far. Expect this at either an airshow or some sort of state visit by Sarkozy or Merkell


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2832 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 6):
I would also be not that suprised if we finally see some more A380s for Chinese airlines as there's only been the 5 for CZ so far. Expect this at either an airshow or some sort of state visit by Sarkozy or Merkell

Any word from John Leahy? For years we have been discussing about this "non-Chinese-Asian-A380-order". Now it's time to speak about the "real-Chinese-A380-order".


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10844 times:

I think the Chinese refer to the Comac C919 as Jumbo, probably a difficult translation.

It will be a little bigger then the A320 and is launch customer for the new GE LeapX engine.



[Edited 2010-03-08 02:16:14]

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2832 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 8):
I think the Chinese refer to the Comac C919 as Jumbo, probably a difficult translation.

This is not the answer I wanted to hear   
 


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10528 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Well the narrowbodies will likely come from the A320 line at TJN, so I'd think Boeing has an edge on the widebody order, since it's one of the few ways China can at least make a token attempt at addressing their trade imbalance with the US.

Or they could order Airbus widebodies as a punishment to the USA for delivering military hardware to Taiwan.   



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10348 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
including jumbo jets and regional planes

By the English in this article, the author probably meant big jets and small planes--not litterally RJs and 747s as we are used to. Jumbo jets could mean A330s even, and regional planes could mean A320s or EMB even!



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9186 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 5):
One factor may, of course, be the current unusually sour relations between Beijing and Washington. Selling Patriots to Taiwan may turn out to have been a costly gesture...
Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
Or they could order Airbus widebodies as a punishment to the USA for delivering military hardware to Taiwan.     

Maybe that means a 15-frame 747-8 order is due any moment from CI

Seriously, China has to buy something from Boeing because they supply parts for Boeing airplanes and they don't want to see that business going to another country and as their largest export market, China also cannot afford to have the US raise tariffs and other barriers that increase the cost of their exports and get US consumers to purchase from other countries, as well.

So China might "stiff" Boeing in 2010, but they'll take care of them in 2011. We saw the same thing happen a few years back when they ordered ~150 A320s, but only 75 737s because of a Taiwan arms deal. Then in January of the following year, they promptly ordered another 75 737s to "balance out the equation" between them and Airbus.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting farzan (Thread starter):
Any good guess as from whom?

Just look at all the manufacturer's order books. There's a difference between "buy" and "order." Buy is traditionally associated with the moment of delivery, not order.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 2):
In my view Airbus seems to be the preferred manufacture in China, at least order wise in the last few years.

Well, that's one way to look at it. In my view, the orders have been virtually identical. Numbers-wise and value-wise.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
One factor may, of course, be the current unusually sour relations between Beijing and Washington. Selling Patriots to Taiwan may turn out to have been a costly gesture...

But even those analysts critical of the sale have had to admit that China's response this time has been more muted, more toned down than in previous years.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Maybe that means a 15-frame 747-8 order is due any moment from CI.

LOL! But then, wouldn't many on here call that a 'political' order?  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
So China might "stiff" Boeing in 2010, but they'll take care of them in 2011. We saw the same thing happen a few years back when they ordered ~150 A320s, but only 75 737s because of a Taiwan arms deal. Then in January of the following year, they promptly ordered another 75 737s to "balance out the equation" between them and Airbus.

   Spot on! In fact, one can go so far as to suggest a Boeing widebody order is imminent this year, as China Eastern ended last year by ordering 16 A332's. OTOH, Boeing also booked UFO 787's at the end of last year, too. . . .


Regards,

Hamlet69   



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User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Seriously, China has to buy something from Boeing because they supply parts for Boeing airplanes and they don't want to see that business going to another country and as their largest export market, China also cannot afford to have the US raise tariffs and other barriers that increase the cost of their exports and get US consumers to purchase from other countries, as well.

So China might "stiff" Boeing in 2010, but they'll take care of them in 2011. We saw the same thing happen a few years back when they ordered ~150 A320s, but only 75 737s because of a Taiwan arms deal. Then in January of the following year, they promptly ordered another 75 737s to "balance out the equation" between them and Airbus.

Precisely. Too intertwined to go much further than tit for tats. Besides the arms sale to Taiwan was a token deal. Really won't do much to 1 million Chinese crossing the China Sea. The real brinkmanship takes place under the sea every day....and we are not selling anyone Virginia Class Boats.

I see 748-i's, and 738's. Call me an optimist.   



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