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Can Tilton Fly UA Mainline?  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2968 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10402 times:
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Many have said Tilton could never show his face on UA. Is this a joke or is it true? Would FA's treat him differently? If so, how without getting in trouble? If I saw him on my flight, as I did many years ago, I would talk to him and let him know what I think as a pax- no sugar coating.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10007 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Many have said Tilton could never show his face on UA. Is this a joke or is it true?

I am sure he flies UAL all the time.

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Would FA's treat him differently? If so, how without getting in trouble?

Maybe a little, but they are not going to go out of their way to violate company policy.

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
I would talk to him and let him know what I think as a pax- no sugar coating.

I think most people tend to chicken out when put into that situation. A few years ago I was on YX four weeks in a row seated next to Tim Hoeksema. I had no problem talking to him about what I though of YX, and by week four we found other things to talk about. He is a bastard as far as business goes, but was a pretty good guy to sit next to for an hour or two



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User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

Would you if you were the most "unliked" guy in your company?

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9537 times:

I've had Tilton on two of my flights. I can say for sure that he does, indeed, fly UA mainline.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31244 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9520 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 3):
I've had Tilton on two of my flights. I can say for sure that he does, indeed, fly UA mainline.

I've sat next to the man once, and have seen him on a few other flights.


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9269 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Many have said Tilton could never show his face on UA. Is this a joke or is it true? Would FA's treat him differently? If so, how without getting in trouble? If I saw him on my flight, as I did many years ago, I would talk to him and let him know what I think as a pax- no sugar coating.

He flies UA mainline all of the time, it is cheaper than buying him a ticket on AA. The F/As would just treat him like any other F customer, from what I heard he always takes row 1.

Now if you really want someone to give a piece of your mind to, Dick Cheney frequently flies DEN-LGA on UA to appear on Fox News, I have heard numerous stories that they have had to hold flights for him, how is that for treating a pax differently



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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

I have flown TIlton on a number of occasions. He always stops in the Cockpit to say hello. This is the man that is in charge of the company, I am in his employ. It is not appropriate for me or any other employee to treat him poorly. It is bad form to do so. Tilton came to UAL with a job to get us out of BK and turn the airline around. He has done exactly as he said he would. While the efforts have not been without some painful decisions he has done his job. Sure I wish he had grown the airline and reduced the RJ flying, but I don't get to make those decisions. The results of his efforts have placed UA operationally at number one and I hope we can capitalize on these improvements.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9034 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 6):
Tilton came to UAL with a job to get us out of BK and turn the airline around. He has done exactly as he said he would. While the efforts have not been without some painful decisions he has done his job. Sure I wish he had grown the airline and reduced the RJ flying, but I don't get to make those decisions. The results of his efforts have placed UA operationally at number one and I hope we can capitalize on these improvements.

...and how many here were supporting Tilton 3-4 years ago? Not too many IIRC......I got my load of "flack" for supporting Tilton...I think he's so far done a wonderful job getting UA through not only the most complicated bk in aviation history, but probably one of the most complicated bk's in all of Wall Street.

If UA survives and thrives (which I hope it does, even though I only fly AA), I think Tilton can be regarded as one of the best aviation CEO's in a generation-given what he's had to deal with the past 7-10 years. Both internally and from a global economic view.



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User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Quoting N104UA (Reply 5):
Now if you really want someone to give a piece of your mind to, Dick Cheney frequently flies DEN-LGA on UA to appear on Fox News, I have heard numerous stories that they have had to hold flights for him, how is that for treating a pax differently

Umm, Dick Cheney's primary residence is in Northern Virginia. I'm sure when he flies to Wyoming he flies through Denver on United. But this story sounds not true. Fox News broadcasts a lot of their shows from Washington, D.C. I doubt he is flying DEN-LGA just to rush to his Fox News appearances.


User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

Steenland at NW got to the point that he wouldn't go down the stairs for lunch after he led them into Chapter 11 in 2005, because a lot of people had too many questions, much of which were not terribly favorable!

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8888 times:

I've seen Tilton and former chairman and CEO Steve Wolf even together here in LA.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):

  
While the man might not win popularity contest amongst much of the work groups, what he and his team have done steering United away from what most believed was certain Ch 7 liquidation to today was quite impressive.

I give him kudos for not buckling to pressure or popular opinion especially from labor groups and instead sticking to his guns to reshape the UA organization and hopefully bring it much needed discipline.

Similarly, I support his continued drum beating for further industry consolidation, cross border equity deals and general reshaping of the US airline industry. We no longer live in the world of 1970s and everyone from the government to labor need to understand the industry must evolve and accept the global changes around it. We can no longer hang onto legacy beliefs. The world has changed, and so must US airlines.



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User currently offlinelotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

I once shared a flight with Titon from GRU to IAD. I was working for an equipment supplier to UA at the time so I thought it would be a clever idea to see if I could get his business card for my collection and to show my boss I was working high enough in the food chain with my customers  . I waited for him to get settled in his seat and before we left the gate I walked over to introduce myself and thank him for his business. I guess he wasn't that impressed so no card for me; but at least he had mine (at least until he reached the first trash can at IAD, if that long). Once at the gate at IAD he was met by some UA brass and escorted past the normal lines for customs and immigration.

User currently offlineUALORD From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

Wow i'm suprised you guys see tilton on flights i know someone that works for UA and never once has seen him on their flight. Im still suprised knowing that no one likes him he still flies mainline.

User currently offlineHRC773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

I had Tilton on a flight from ORD to NRT back in 2004 when I was UA flight Attendant. I knew ahead of time he was going to be there and I wanted to give him the cold shoulder without being unprofessional. Of course, when I finally had him in front of me, I got all nervous and practically curtseyed to him.

I think he might have saved the airline from liquidation but he antagonized the employees. I left when upper management gave themselves payraises right after we went through two rounds of paycuts. There was no point in complaining anymore.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

Tilton definitely flies UA mainline quite often. Some ORD customer service told me that the ramp guys deliberately delayed Tilton's baggage on an international arrival so he would be the last to go through immigration and customs. Nothing big, just little things to annoy him.

User currently offlineevomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 14):

Does he have a big sticker with his name on placed on his baggage?


User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 14):
Tilton definitely flies UA mainline quite often. Some ORD customer service told me that the ramp guys deliberately delayed Tilton's baggage on an international arrival so he would be the last to go through immigration and customs. Nothing big, just little things to annoy him.

Well, that describes much about the pettiness so many United-Bashers here on A-Net recognize. I am not one of them. I love United. I love where they fly, and every time I climb on-board, I am treated like a valued customer. I've flown 125,000 miles with them the past two years, and United has never let me down. They are accommodating and responsible and professional, and that is all I ask from an airline.

I hope the quoted story is not true. Because that demeans every one who works for United. And I KNOW every one who works there does not have that petty attitude.



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User currently offlineOshkosh1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
A few years ago I was on YX four weeks in a row seated next to Tim Hoeksema. I had no problem talking to him about what I though of YX, and by week four we found other things to talk about. He is a bastard as far as business goes, but was a pretty good guy to sit next to for an hour or two

If it makes you feel better...Around 1983/4, He was still living in Neenah Wi(Former home of Kimberly Clark...his previous employer) I was at his house with his daughter and some friends when he came home from work. I was sitting with my feet in his pool, when I felt someone try and push me in. Thinking it was a friend, I instinctively reached back to grab, and Ooooops!...It was him. Over the top of me he went, suit, briefcase and all....SPLASH!

Actually he and his family were very good people and members of our church...he and his wife did alot to help the youth group and other members, and were very active. Probably not a good businessman, but I don't "Know" that side of the equation...

KC Aviation/MidEx wouldn't have had the sucess they enjoyed if not for him. All people seem to bitch about are the "bad" times...(Kinda like blaming Tom Landry for the Cowboy teams during his last years!)Remeber, he once showed up on the cover of USA todays "money" section after MidEx was named "Best Airlne" in the early 90's! Post 9/11 had more to do with their demise than did poor management.



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User currently offlinemicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 785 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 6):
This is the man that is in charge of the company, I am in his employ. It is not appropriate for me or any other employee to treat him poorly. It is bad form to do so.

Great point. Well said.



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User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting N104UA (Reply 5):
Now if you really want someone to give a piece of your mind to, Dick Cheney frequently flies DEN-LGA on UA to appear on Fox News, I have heard numerous stories that they have had to hold flights for him, how is that for treating a pax differently

He was the main reason why so many delays for United's Denver bound flight. All held due to his arrival or departure from JAC on the B752.

Quoting BHMDiversion (Reply 2):
Would you if you were the most "unliked" guy in your company?

Why not? I wouldn't mind, he saved the company from Chapter 7. People come with their own baggages, but who doesn't?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
what he and his team have done steering United away from what most believed was certain Ch 7 liquidation to today was quite impressive.

I agree!

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 14):
Some ORD customer service told me that the ramp guys deliberately delayed Tilton's baggage on an international arrival so he would be the last to go through immigration and customs.

Apparently, whomever that CS agent is have never travel internationaly. You clear immigration first then custom. I'm sure if that particular station know that their CEO is flying in, I'm sure the local management would step up and make sure his flight is run smoothly.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 16):
I hope the quoted story is not true. Because that demeans every one who works for United. And I KNOW every one who works there does not have that petty attitude.

Oh I wouldn't be so sure... I know one United employee who has this uploaded on their Facebook profile. The disclaimer is there so no one quickly glances at this and associates it as mine.

DISCLAIMER: NOT MY POSTER

DISCLAIMER: NOT MY POSTER

The private sector is certainly different from the military in that you can get away with this, especially with a union to protect you. You'd be busted pretty damn quick in the military for posting something along those lines about your boss. I guess you can get away with more when you have a union to protect you.   

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
If UA survives and thrives (which I hope it does, even though I only fly AA), I think Tilton can be regarded as one of the best aviation CEO's in a generation-given what he's had to deal with the past 7-10 years. Both internally and from a global economic view.

I HATE United, but I agree - a lot of employees at United will end up owing their job to this guy.


Quoting mcdu (Reply 6):
This is the man that is in charge of the company, I am in his employ. It is not appropriate for me or any other employee to treat him poorly. It is bad form to do so.

As pointed out above, at least one of your flight attendants feels differently and has NO qualms about expressing their opinion.

Quoting N104UA (Reply 5):
Now if you really want someone to give a piece of your mind to, Dick Cheney frequently flies DEN-LGA on UA to appear on Fox News, I have heard numerous stories that they have had to hold flights for him, how is that for treating a pax differently

So was it because Cheney was just late to the airport or did they hold flights for him because his inbound was delayed? I'm sure that with the extra security procedures required it's much easier for UA and the security personnel attached with Cheney to hold the original flight for him. But hey, why let a logical argument get in the way of a political bashing?


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3660 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
As pointed out above, at least one of your flight attendants feels differently and has NO qualms about expressing their opinion.

I am but one employee. I stand by my previous statement and don't intend to retreat from what was posted. Since I have worked at UA I have never NOT been paid, never been forced to fly an airplane with deferrals deemed unsafe or pressured in any way to do something outside the contract. There are plenty of jobs in this industry where an employee can not say the same. I believe the FA you were referring to said they had grand plans of being rude to Tilton, yet couldn't.

There was a story floating around a few years ago regarding a pilot that was less than welcoming to Tilton when he stuck his head in the cockpit. This pilot was said to have used some foul language and really demonstrated an unprofessional tantrum. When he was finished it is said that Tilton said; "So Captain I take it that you are resigning since things are so awful?" The Captain meekly replied "No". Point made.

My own sampling of those I work with is that only those that don't take the time to educate themselves are the ones that make the most noise about Tilton. The people that haven't a clue about the industry and the changes that have taken place at most carriers are the ones that have had trouble adapting.

Also it seems that those at the other carriers like to create controversy by bringing up Tilton, BK, ESOP, etc. This is all old news and yet some want to wallow in the past. Nothing can be done to fix yesterday. All we can do is work on right now and tomorrow. If you aren't willing to be productive member of that group then I would hope you step aside and let those of us that want to see the company succeed do our jobs. If you are at another carrier then I would hope you can focus on your own carrier and be infatuated with creating rumors about UA to stroke your own ego's.


User currently offlineZKEYE From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 243 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3656 times:

Quoting UALORD (Reply 12):
Im still suprised knowing that no one likes him he still flies mainline.

If they don't like him now can you just imagine the hatred (and the threads on here) if he used another carrier? The mind boggles....



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User currently offlineplatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3623 times:

My question is, Does he check in a bag?? As a former UA Ramper, I highly doubt it.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3619 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 21):
I am but one employee. I stand by my previous statement and don't intend to retreat from what was posted. Since I have worked at UA I have never NOT been paid, never been forced to fly an airplane with deferrals deemed unsafe or pressured in any way to do something outside the contract.

Trust me - as someone who is about to commission into the United States Air Force as an officer, I completely understand and respect your position. When it comes to issues regarding the military and national defense, I do my best to keep my opinions about President Obama's policies to myself on here, since on military and national defense issues, President Obama is my (the) Commander-in-Chief. It amazes me that even in the private sector and with union protection, employees can get away with such actions though.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 21):
There was a story floating around a few years ago regarding a pilot that was less than welcoming to Tilton when he stuck his head in the cockpit. This pilot was said to have used some foul language and really demonstrated an unprofessional tantrum. When he was finished it is said that Tilton said; "So Captain I take it that you are resigning since things are so awful?" The Captain meekly replied "No". Point made.

   WIN!

Quoting mcdu (Reply 21):
I believe the FA you were referring to said they had grand plans of being rude to Tilton, yet couldn't.

Check your PMs.

[Edited 2010-03-08 23:18:38]

25 Post contains images COSPN : I Had no Opinion on Mr. Tilton before but now; I like him no one is making people to work at UA or any other arline
26 MSYPI7185 : [ It has nothing to do with a union. I would also guess the US Courts would protect you on this as well. It is called freedom of speech or in this cas
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Such properly spoken! I only wish other employees have such foresight and practicality. .....priceless! ...I was one of those as well back in 2002...
28 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : As they say, a chart says a thousand words In terms of stock appreciation, United Airlines has outperformed every single one of these companies, inclu
29 FlyDeltaJets87 : If you around calling your boss a "douchebag", most companies would probably fire you, especially if you advertise it so publicly as the one person d
30 Tango-Bravo : Just curious... what do you think [of UA] as a pax...without sugar coating? What would you tell Tilton if given the opportunity?
31 DeltAirlines : Freedom of speech only applies to dealing with the government. I'm allowed to criticize my government however I want to without fear of retribution.
32 MSYPI7185 : I know of many instances where freedom of speech has been upheld by the courts and it had nothing to do with criticizing the govt. I agree basically
33 stratosphere : No I don't think you have much leeway calling your boss a D bag...But I seem to remember someone telling me that Frank Lorenzo was flying I want to s
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