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Hawaiian Orders Another A-330 + Delivery Schedule  
User currently offlineyazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13851 times:

With an eye on accelerating its plan to expand service in Asia and other markets, Hawaiian Airlines today announced the purchase of an additional Airbus A330-200 scheduled for delivery in the...

http://empirestatefx.com/airtravel/h...-airbus-a330-for-delivery-in-2011/


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5445 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13441 times:

I'm impressed that they actually lay out the entire delivery schedule. That makes things nice and easy to understand.

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13354 times:

I wonder if this indicates particular confidence by HA that they will be flying to HND late this year/early next?

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User currently onlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13194 times:
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Are they all 200's or a mix of 300s as well?

User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13120 times:

Quoting yazoo (Thread starter):
With an eye on accelerating its plan to expand service in Asia and other markets, Hawaiian Airlines today announced the purchase of an additional Airbus A330-200 scheduled for delivery in the...

Dang, HA is going to have a very respectable fleet. In the short term, 763ERs with winglets and A332s, then in the long term, A332s and A350s. Nice looking fleet indeed!   



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User currently offlineBoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13106 times:

I know I should be a better aviation enthusiast on this one, but honestly, I'm a bit sad by this. I was sure hoping we'd be able to get Hawaiian into the 787...

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12987 times:

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 5):
I know I should be a better aviation enthusiast on this one, but honestly, I'm a bit sad by this. I was sure hoping we'd be able to get Hawaiian into the 787...

It would have been great, but the A330 in Hawaiian colours (and the 350 in a few years' time!) ... now that's going to be one gorgeous airplane!

Has HA outlined a config yet, or what Asian cities it's looking at; JL (and its subsidiaries, JD and JZ) were major carriers to HNL, so I guess that HA will try and supplant them on some routes. Is HA among the carriers to request slots at HND?


User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Is HA among the carriers to request slots at HND?

Yes, they've requested two slots between HNL & HND. With this additional order it would appear they're fairly confident they'll get at least one slot.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2686 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12866 times:

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 5):
I know I should be a better aviation enthusiast on this one, but honestly, I'm a bit sad by this. I was sure hoping we'd be able to get Hawaiian into the 787...

... come on. It was a hard day for Airbus. It's just one A 330 whereas your company will build dozens of tankers.  


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12804 times:

They should have went with the 787....  


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User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They should have went with the 787....

they sure have went but then came...a better choice i guess.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12708 times:

Quoting worldrider (Reply 10):
a better choice i guess.

or got a better price on them.....



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User currently offlineBoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12705 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
It would have been great, but the A330 in Hawaiian colours (and the 350 in a few years' time!) ... now that's going to be one gorgeous airplane!

No doubt about that. I'll look forward to my first trip on a Hawaiian A330. I just saw Hawaiian as my best chance at flying commercially on a 787. It's for purely selfish reasons I wanted them to get the 787.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They should have went with the 787....

I would have liked that too, but also totally understand why they went the route that they did. They really weren't going to lose no matter which choice they made.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):
It's just one A 330

Actually, it's a few of them, plus A350s...right?  


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2686 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12658 times:

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 12):
Actually, it's a few of them, plus A350s...right?

Right, I was just reffering to the additional unit they have ordered as per the announcement of today.
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User currently offlineAirnerd From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12474 times:

When do the 763s start to leave? Is it 1 for 1, or do they get to stay around a while?

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12470 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They should have went with the 787....

First, I want to say that this was an option that was exercised, so they already had the delivery position. More importantly, I don't think that we can rule out a 787 order from Hawaiian in the future. Remember that the A330s and A350s will for the most part not be replacing a relatively young 767 fleet. I would not be too shocked to see a Hawaiian 787 somewhere down the road.



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2556 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10946 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They should have went with the 787

If we had, where would we be? Our first A330 is being delivered next month. Our first 787 would have been when? At the time we ordered the 330's there was already an order book at Boeing for several hundred 787's. We wouldn't have been able to expand nearly as quickly as we can now.

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 14):
When do the 763s start to leave? Is it 1 for 1, or do they get to stay around a while?

We're keeping all the 767's for a while. The first one that was supposed to be returned just had its lease extended, so we'll keep all 18 for a few more years at least. The A330's will all be expansion aircraft.

HAL



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6863 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10104 times:

Of course, the big news is that more than two months into 2010 Rolls-Royce have 100% of the firm orders for widebodies where engines have been announced!   

User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 929 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10022 times:

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 5):
I know I should be a better aviation enthusiast on this one, but honestly, I'm a bit sad by this. I was sure hoping we'd be able to get Hawaiian into the 787...
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They should have went with the 787....

Didn't Boeing piss off HA during their bankruptcy? If I remember right Boeing played hardball during those proceedings. I think it will be a long time before HA orders new Boeing aircraft again, if ever.


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 5):
I know I should be a better aviation enthusiast on this one, but honestly, I'm a bit sad by this. I was sure hoping we'd be able to get Hawaiian into the 787...

I hope not :P Anyway, HA's livery on the A330 is one of the best out there ! If DW or GJ releases a 1:400 model, I will definitely get one.  

[Edited 2010-03-09 19:58:51]


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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 18):
Didn't Boeing piss off HA during their bankruptcy? If I remember right Boeing played hardball during those proceedings. I think it will be a long time before HA orders new Boeing aircraft again, if ever.

It wouldn't surprise me, after all HA is not a loyal Boeing customer as they have been more of a Douglas airline until their demise and absorbing into Boeing. The 717 is in all fairness a Douglass product with Boeing tag on it. The 767 is the right plane for the job they serve for HA currently however as HAL mentioned before, when looking to upgrade and expand the fleet in looking for planes the size they need in the time frame they desired, the A332 was the perfect fit regardless of the current all Boeing airline that HA currently is.



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User currently offlineyazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Ua2162 posted a photo of a HA 330 being assembled, however the link does not work anymore. Does anyone have a link to that photo?

This is the thread in question :

First Look - HA's New A330-200 (by Ua2162 Jan 20 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Could we see them expand it mainland China? say to PEK or PVG??


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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

To steal Mariner's idea - Come to Denver with an F9 codeshare!!!

User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6608 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 23):
To steal Mariner's idea - Come to Denver with an F9 codeshare!!!

That's what it would take. The DEN market for HA isn't viable without that kind of relationship. I think it might have happened already if it had not been for questions about F9's future and the economy. Now that F9 seems to be more secure, travel demand for HI seems to be on the rise and additional aircraft joining the HA fleet perhaps it's not so far away.



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25 BMI727 : That is actually a very good idea. The further east you go, the more the market to Hawaii drops off. Many of the airlines that do fly from these mark
26 ba319-131 : - Why? The A330's have yet to enter service so it's not as i've they have had problems with them! Can you explain your comment so we can understand y
27 Bluewave 707 : A code-share with F9 may not work for the fact that Republic Airways owns 25% of the go!Mokulele joint-venture with Mesa, and that competes against HA
28 HNL-Jack : In effect it was a contrived bankruptcy to enable HA to drive down their lease rates. Boeing probably had reason to play "hardball" and be upset as w
29 BoeEngr : Is there a doubt about Hawaiian taking the A350? I thought the deal was done? It would look amazing in the HA livery.
30 PlaneAdmirer : That's a problem. Thanks for addressing it.[Edited 2010-03-12 07:59:15]
31 HNL-Jack : It's just that's it's a long way off and a lot can change in six to seven years.
32 BoeEngr : Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Not something specific but rather the general dynamic nature of the business, which I understand all too well.
33 WeAreUnited : When do the 763s start to leave? Is it 1 for 1, or do they get to stay around a while? Anybody know the plans HA has for hiring since these are expans
34 ua76heavy : Possibly. The HVCB is actively pursuing Chinese tourist, espcially the wealthy ones who spend money without blinking an eye, to help turn the Hawai'i
35 HNL-Jack : What you say is true, however I believe Mark Dunkerley is first and foremost a very good businessman and I personally don't think he would let that e
36 Post contains images Centre : Why do the Boeineers tend to cover their eyes on this fact?....That is the main reason why you won't see a a 787 for a long time in HA colors. Boeing
37 ha763 : No, it was the actions of former Chairman John Adams (and largest HA shareholder at the time) that caused Boeing to play hardball. The stock buyback
38 Centre : When did he leave the company? before or after placing the order with Airbus? If before, then there might be some truth to your statement, if after t
39 HAL : Adams was gone long before the Airbus was even considered. He left in the wake of the bankruptcy during the 2004-2005 timeframe. The Airbii were orde
40 Centre : That was my point, Airbus was willing to accommodate while Boeing was not, and so the business went to A rather than B.
41 ha763 : Actually, according to Dunkerly, the competition was very close. The prices were basically the same and it really came down to the interim aircraft.
42 HAL : The differences between the A330 and the 767 were enought to warrant getting the Airbus for the planned expansion. The 767 is great for what we do no
43 BoeEngr : Boeing didn't turn their back on Hawaiian. Boeing was due money from HA and they asked for it. I'd like to give Hawaiian a little more credit in thei
44 BMI727 : Not in that instance, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 787s in Hawaiian colors some day.
45 Centre : That's understood for the 330 versus 767.... but what about the 350 versus 787 as so many here were wishing?
46 BoeEngr : I wasn't in the discussions so I can only take guesses, but two come to mind. First, I would think the airline has more negotiating power with either
47 Post contains images HawaiianA330 : Almost ready Photos by Airbus
48 Pohakuloa : Oh my wow!!! That is just.....wow!!!! can't wait for the first wide shot of the bird!!
49 HNL-Jack : Who would have ever thought ten years ago that we would see HA soaring with one of the youngest fleets in the business, while successfully expanding
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