EA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13472 times:
Quoting yazoo (Thread starter): With an eye on accelerating its plan to expand service in Asia and other markets, Hawaiian Airlines today announced the purchase of an additional Airbus A330-200 scheduled for delivery in the...
Dang, HA is going to have a very respectable fleet. In the short term, 763ERs with winglets and A332s, then in the long term, A332s and A350s. Nice looking fleet indeed!
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kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12807 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13339 times:
Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 5): I know I should be a better aviation enthusiast on this one, but honestly, I'm a bit sad by this. I was sure hoping we'd be able to get Hawaiian into the 787...
It would have been great, but the A330 in Hawaiian colours (and the 350 in a few years' time!) ... now that's going to be one gorgeous airplane!
Has HA outlined a config yet, or what Asian cities it's looking at; JL (and its subsidiaries, JD and JZ) were major carriers to HNL, so I guess that HA will try and supplant them on some routes. Is HA among the carriers to request slots at HND?
BoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13057 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 6): It would have been great, but the A330 in Hawaiian colours (and the 350 in a few years' time!) ... now that's going to be one gorgeous airplane!
No doubt about that. I'll look forward to my first trip on a Hawaiian A330. I just saw Hawaiian as my best chance at flying commercially on a 787. It's for purely selfish reasons I wanted them to get the 787.
First, I want to say that this was an option that was exercised, so they already had the delivery position. More importantly, I don't think that we can rule out a 787 order from Hawaiian in the future. Remember that the A330s and A350s will for the most part not be replacing a relatively young 767 fleet. I would not be too shocked to see a Hawaiian 787 somewhere down the road.
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If we had, where would we be? Our first A330 is being delivered next month. Our first 787 would have been when? At the time we ordered the 330's there was already an order book at Boeing for several hundred 787's. We wouldn't have been able to expand nearly as quickly as we can now.
Quoting Airnerd (Reply 14): When do the 763s start to leave? Is it 1 for 1, or do they get to stay around a while?
We're keeping all the 767's for a while. The first one that was supposed to be returned just had its lease extended, so we'll keep all 18 for a few more years at least. The A330's will all be expansion aircraft.
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Didn't Boeing piss off HA during their bankruptcy? If I remember right Boeing played hardball during those proceedings. I think it will be a long time before HA orders new Boeing aircraft again, if ever.
Pohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8362 times:
Quoting klkla (Reply 18): Didn't Boeing piss off HA during their bankruptcy? If I remember right Boeing played hardball during those proceedings. I think it will be a long time before HA orders new Boeing aircraft again, if ever.
It wouldn't surprise me, after all HA is not a loyal Boeing customer as they have been more of a Douglas airline until their demise and absorbing into Boeing. The 717 is in all fairness a Douglass product with Boeing tag on it. The 767 is the right plane for the job they serve for HA currently however as HAL mentioned before, when looking to upgrade and expand the fleet in looking for planes the size they need in the time frame they desired, the A332 was the perfect fit regardless of the current all Boeing airline that HA currently is.
That's what it would take. The DEN market for HA isn't viable without that kind of relationship. I think it might have happened already if it had not been for questions about F9's future and the economy. Now that F9 seems to be more secure, travel demand for HI seems to be on the rise and additional aircraft joining the HA fleet perhaps it's not so far away.
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: That is actually a very good idea. The further east you go, the more the market to Hawaii drops off. Many of the airlines that do fly from these mark
: - Why? The A330's have yet to enter service so it's not as i've they have had problems with them! Can you explain your comment so we can understand y
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: A code-share with F9 may not work for the fact that Republic Airways owns 25% of the go!Mokulele joint-venture with Mesa, and that competes against HA
: In effect it was a contrived bankruptcy to enable HA to drive down their lease rates. Boeing probably had reason to play "hardball" and be upset as w
: Is there a doubt about Hawaiian taking the A350? I thought the deal was done? It would look amazing in the HA livery.
: That's a problem. Thanks for addressing it.[Edited 2010-03-12 07:59:15]
: It's just that's it's a long way off and a lot can change in six to seven years.
: Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Not something specific but rather the general dynamic nature of the business, which I understand all too well.
: When do the 763s start to leave? Is it 1 for 1, or do they get to stay around a while? Anybody know the plans HA has for hiring since these are expans
: Possibly. The HVCB is actively pursuing Chinese tourist, espcially the wealthy ones who spend money without blinking an eye, to help turn the Hawai'i
: What you say is true, however I believe Mark Dunkerley is first and foremost a very good businessman and I personally don't think he would let that e
: Why do the Boeineers tend to cover their eyes on this fact?....That is the main reason why you won't see a a 787 for a long time in HA colors. Boeing
: No, it was the actions of former Chairman John Adams (and largest HA shareholder at the time) that caused Boeing to play hardball. The stock buyback
: When did he leave the company? before or after placing the order with Airbus? If before, then there might be some truth to your statement, if after t
: Adams was gone long before the Airbus was even considered. He left in the wake of the bankruptcy during the 2004-2005 timeframe. The Airbii were orde
: That was my point, Airbus was willing to accommodate while Boeing was not, and so the business went to A rather than B.
: Actually, according to Dunkerly, the competition was very close. The prices were basically the same and it really came down to the interim aircraft.
: The differences between the A330 and the 767 were enought to warrant getting the Airbus for the planned expansion. The 767 is great for what we do no
: Boeing didn't turn their back on Hawaiian. Boeing was due money from HA and they asked for it. I'd like to give Hawaiian a little more credit in thei
: Not in that instance, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 787s in Hawaiian colors some day.
: That's understood for the 330 versus 767.... but what about the 350 versus 787 as so many here were wishing?
: I wasn't in the discussions so I can only take guesses, but two come to mind. First, I would think the airline has more negotiating power with either