KBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 458 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7753 times:
Quote: Flight 683 from MIA to Santiago hadn't even left the gate for its 11:40 a.m. departure when a passenger, for unknown reasons, made a scene on the plane, airport officials said.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7687 times:
Quoting KBUF (Thread starter): Getting kicked off before even leaving the gate must be a new record.
B6 #534 lasted long enough to get in the air before these two pax punched it out.
flyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 571 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7515 times:
The flight was off the gate for 9 minutes. During taxi pax was repeatedly asked to turn off cell phone and passenger was non compliant with fa's repeated requests and became verbal regarding cell phone use. FA's notified capt who elected to return to the gate. Pax /bags were removed and passengers ticket refunded.
PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 530 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7493 times:
Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 2): Pax /bags were removed and passengers ticket refunded.
That's not right. Not only should his ticket not be refunded, but he should be assessed the true costs of his actions and the costs of any delays, etc. When people avoid the true costs of their actions, they are not careful in their choices and actions.
flyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 571 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7453 times:
Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 3): That's not right. Not only should his ticket not be refunded, but he should be assessed the true costs of his actions and the costs of any delays, etc. When people avoid the true costs of their actions, they are not careful in their choices and actions.
Couldn't agree more!!! Originally, the passenger was questioned and then rebooked for 3/11.. The PASSENGER requested his ticket be refunded as he decided not to travel. AA is SO afraid of offending someone they would rather rebook on another flight than actually hold the passenger accountable for his or her actions.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7369 times:
SATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7340 times:
Quoting KBUF (Thread starter): Getting kicked off before even leaving the gate must be a new record.
In August 2007 I was on an US Airways flight from PHL to FRA. There were some passengers that were having some seating issues.They were not being unruly or anything but they refused to take their assigned seats and held up the boarding process for a while. The captain tossed a total of six passengers off the flight before leaving the gate. Now thats a record
Davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7339 times:
What is it with people feeling a pathological need to be on the cell phone? While I know there are all sort of opinions on cell phone and planes, and whether or not to use them, etc. As long as the regulation is no, it is no. Period.
If the billed the pax the fuel cost instead of refunding the ticket, that would have been better.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4721 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7329 times:
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 5): If a couple of carriers would just sue the individual for associated cost, attitudes would change.
Names should be released and charges lodged in every case. The plane should divert to a jurisdiction where a hanging judge presides.
I was going to post a smiley, but I think I actually mean this.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7300 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8): I was going to post a smiley, but I think I actually mean this.
I like your thought processes.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
EleVAted From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7061 times:
Time of place is everything on a plane. The best time is at the gate (of course) and the next best time is before take-off.
Glad they didn't get off the ground with that crazy.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12330 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6766 times:
Maybe they could make it so that the next flight he takes has no discount, has to pay the top rate, ends up boarding last so no overhead space and in a middle seat between 2 people of size, adjacent to a projectile spitting baby and in front an back of the seat kicking kid. That would be a real 'punishment' for such a phone addicted fool.
ThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6597 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8): The plane should divert to a jurisdiction where a hanging judge presides.
Langtry, Texas. The courtroom is a saloon called "The Jersey Lily" and the Judge is Roy Bean.
antonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6526 times:
Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 11): no overhead space and in a middle seat between 2 people of size, adjacent to a projectile spitting baby and in front an back of the seat kicking kid
flyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 571 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6502 times:
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 12): Btw, the plane did not start engines.And a delay of 9 mins is no big deal
Where are you getting your MISinformation from??
The plane left the gate originally 4 mins early. at 1136am.. the plane was off the gate for 9 mins.. Came back to the gate, and the passenger was removed, as were his bags, which obviously took time to retrieve . AFTER this was accomplished, the plane left the gate again, at 1233 So, yes, there was a delay of 57 mins in departing because of this passengers actions and refusal to comply.
silentbob From Vatican City, joined Aug 2006, 1637 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6396 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 7): What is it with people feeling a pathological need to be on the cell phone? While I know there are all sort of opinions on cell phone and planes, and whether or not to use them, etc. As long as the regulation is no, it is no. Period.
I was on a regional flight that had 17 passengers. Eight of them had to be told to shut off their phones/blackberries/etc... at least twice after the announcements were over and we started to taxi to the runway.
varigb707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4955 times:
I propose a new regulation : all mobile devices should be surrendered at the door, on every flight. NO EXCETIONS. Passengers would retrieve their belonging at the end of trip. There, problem solved.
Yay or Nay? You decide.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4808 times:
Quoting varigb707 (Reply 17): I propose a new regulation : all mobile devices should be surrendered at the door, on every flight. NO EXCETIONS. Passengers would retrieve their belonging at the end of trip. There, problem solved.
Yay or Nay? You decide
Nay. This is punishing everyone for the actions of a few. I'm not part of the problem so I shouldn't surrender my phone. I turn it off when the announcement is made and keep it off until at least clear of the runway when landing at my destination. When I fly into GSO, it works out that if I call my parents as soon as we clear the runway, by the time we taxi to the gate, I get off the plane, and walk from the end of the Delta terminal to baggage claim, they will be there waiting. When I fly into RDU, I call them when we are ready for pushback. If I surrender my phone at the door and tell my parents we have an ontime departure and they start making the 75 minute drive to RDU and then all of the sudden we get a delay at the gate and sit there 45 minutes before pushing back, it's difficult to keep my parents informed if my phone is in some locker controlled by the F/A.
People in this country need to stop being whussies and punish THOSE RESPONSIBLE instead of trying to be politically correct and punishing "Everyone" so as not to single the wrong doers out.
Quoting Davescj (Reply 7): What is it with people feeling a pathological need to be on the cell phone? While I know there are all sort of opinions on cell phone and planes, and whether or not to use them, etc. As long as the regulation is no, it is no. Period.
If the billed the pax the fuel cost instead of refunding the ticket, that would have been better.
With the exception of medical diversions, most diversions or delays caused by passengers responsible. The airline shouldn't be footing the bill because some passenger is a moron and can't follow regulations and directions.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4808 times:
Quoting varigb707 (Reply 17): I propose a new regulation : all mobile devices should be surrendered at the door, on every flight. NO EXCETIONS. Passengers would retrieve their belonging at the end of trip. There, problem solved.
Yay or Nay? You decide
Nay. This is punishing everyone for the actions of a few. I'm not part of the problem so I shouldn't surrender my phone. I turn it off when the announcement is made and keep it off until at least clear of the runway when landing at my destination. When I fly into GSO, it works out that if I call my parents as soon as we clear the runway, by the time we taxi to the gate, I get off the plane, and walk from the end of the Delta terminal to baggage claim, they will be there waiting. When I fly into RDU, I call them when we are ready for pushback. If I surrender my phone at the door and tell my parents we have an ontime departure and they start making the 75 minute drive to RDU and then all of the sudden we get a delay at the gate and sit there 45 minutes before pushing back, it's difficult to keep my parents informed if my phone is in some locker controlled by the F/A.
People in this country need to stop being whussies and punish THOSE RESPONSIBLE instead of trying to be politically correct and punishing "Everyone" so as not to single the wrong doers out.
Quoting Davescj (Reply 7): What is it with people feeling a pathological need to be on the cell phone? While I know there are all sort of opinions on cell phone and planes, and whether or not to use them, etc. As long as the regulation is no, it is no. Period.
If the billed the pax the fuel cost instead of refunding the ticket, that would have been better.
With the exception of medical diversions, most diversions or delays caused by passengers responsible. The airline shouldn't be footing the bill because some passenger is a moron and can't follow regulations and directions.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4697 times:
Quoting varigb707 (Reply 17): I propose a new regulation : all mobile devices should be surrendered at the door, on every flight. NO EXCETIONS. Passengers would retrieve their belonging at the end of trip. There, problem solved.
Yay or Nay? You decide.
In the logistical total nightmare that would become, how do you propose you keep separate and identify who owns which of the 100-some iPhones or Blackberry's that look totally identical??
PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 530 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4677 times:
You say that making him pay for the damages is fine,and then you say that reimbursing him is not a revenge.
Why should he be reimbursed for a ticket whose value he squandered? The airline didn't cancel the flight or change the terms. The airline shouldn't lose the fare because his, the passenger's, actions forced his removal from the plane. The airline delivered the seat and flight as contracted and earned the revenue. The passenger didn't live up to his end of the agreement. Therefore, he shouldn't be eligible for a refund, and, yes, I think, IMHO, that he is responsible for the extra costs incurred by the airline.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 4): Couldn't agree more!!! Originally, the passenger was questioned and then rebooked for 3/11.. The PASSENGER requested his ticket be refunded as he decided not to travel. AA is SO afraid of offending someone they would rather rebook on another flight than actually hold the passenger accountable for his or her actions.
Maybe refunding him the ticket was the best preventive action in order to refrain this jerk from suing the airline.
tguman From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 423 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
I say that when an aircraft has to be returned to the gate, whether or not the engines have started, they should refuel the aircraft up to departure fuel level, and have the airport charge him retail for the fuel. None of this contract business. See how that person likes paying for 50 or 100 gallons of jet at retail!
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3504 times:
Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 15): there was a delay of 57 mins in departing because of this passengers actions and refusal to comply.
There has to be a penalty imposed on such Pax.
regds
MEL.
Think of the brighter side!
25 PWMRamper: Bill him for any and all passengers who misconnected and had to be rebooked on other flights. Bill him for any and all hotel rooms, meal vouchers, etc
26 brons2: You're not reading his post correctly. He suggests that the passenger reimburse the airline for the costs involved with having to go back to the gate
27 legacytravel: Thank You for saying what I was thinking. I am so sick and tired of political correctness in the country. Screw it if you dont like the rule then wal
28 m11stephen: Maybe the airlines should implement the policy used in many high schools and middle schools. If a passenger is caught using a phone when they aren't
29 bwvilla: Shouldn't you be keeping it turned off until the aircraft is at the gate with the doors open before turning your phone on? Or are the rules different
30 FlyDeltaJets87: Rules are different in the US. As soon as the wheels hit the ground, cell phone use is allowed again. The F/A's come on and says that passengers may
31 Macsog6: I was hoping you WERE serious! Anyone who disrupts a scheduled flight operation should have to bear the financial burden for such disruption. It woul
32 n62na: Actually, that flight qualifies for one of the more on-time AA departures out of MIA!
33 Maverick623: You do know cell phones have only been in mass use about 15 years? God forbid someone has to wait an extra 45 minutes, or check with the airline them
34 Kaiarahi: Exactly what American Indians would say .... Not quite ... not until the aircraft has cleared the runway. And it's not an absolute rule - each airlin
35 FlyDeltaJets87: Well then some F/As come on a little early on the flights I've been on, because I've had F/As come on to make the announcement just a few seconds aft
36 Maverick623: But they still had landline phones. And an 800 number to the airline. I was actually referring to you having to wait 45 extra minutes for your ride t
37 FlyDeltaJets87: And in that entire post, you managed to ignore the point that the purpose of technology is to make our lives easier and more efficient. For people on
38 Maverick623: I don't. I just find it rather amusing that people feel like they have to make their lives more efficient all the time. It's nothing personal against
39 Glom: See my flamethrower comment in the other thread. It is morally wrong for the airline to refund him his fare. Not only were they put out, but their ru
40 AJMIA: And remember we have to add to the true cost of this delay any of the passengers with connections in MIA on the return flight who misconnect. That is
41 FlyDeltaJets87: Thanks for clearing that up. But that's society today - "Go Go Go". Now in most cases I personally wouldn't care about waiting 45 minutes at the airp
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