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Where Is Pet Airways?  
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1934 posts, RR: 20
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

They just added new cities and suddenly their website shows no booking available. I also don't see SUB1501 or SUB1502 (the pet flights) operated in the last couple weeks. What's going on?

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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

According to their Twitter page, they are suspending flights for the next month to prepare for expansion. This was posted on March 3rd. I guess they won't be taking bookings for when they restart?? Kind of odd.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 1):
According to their Twitter page, they are suspending flights for the next month to prepare for expansion.

Could this really mean that the venture was not a success and that they are really folding?



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3834 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

I've never heard of an airline suspending flights to prepare for expansion.

User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1934 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

If they're not taking bookings, they're probably done for. Shame...

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5237 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

An airline only for bloody pets? If true ofcourse it's normal to fail. Ever seen a dog with a creditcard?  

User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4006 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):
Ever seen a dog with a creditcard?

Actually, absurd as it may seem, there are stories of pets being issued credit cards (usually by their owners, falsifying credit card applications).

Frankly, it was for the most part a forgone conclusion that this venture would flop, especially given the current economic conditions.

Thomas



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11448 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 6):
Frankly, it was for the most part a forgone conclusion that this venture would flop, especially given the current economic conditions.

I dunno... how much does it cost to run a B1900 on a mail route? It's not like that flight for Fido from Baltimore to Phoenix was nonstop.

Oh, and apparently, it took many days to get from Baltimore to Phoenix.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Oh, and apparently, it took many days to get from Baltimore to Phoenix.

They had an overnight hub in Chicago (I think MDW?) where the flights from the east coast would fly to on day one. Then, the pets were put up overnight at their kennel hotel, and flying West the next day. It was about a two day trip by Beech 1900 to go coast to coast. They even had an on-board "flight attendant" or caretaker for the pets.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):
An airline only for bloody pets? If true ofcourse it's normal to fail. Ever seen a dog with a creditcard?


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1890 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6571 times:
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Aren't they the ones who removed the "overhead bins" on the 1900C    I haven't seen any pictures of them operating yet. Would seem odd to ground your planes to expand. Unless they mean stretch the airplane. Somebody get the bin stretcher!


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User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

Could they be changing operators? It's not like Pet Airways actually owned and operated the aircraft themselves, they were all operated by Suburban Air Freight.

User currently offlinespokemd From United States of America, joined May 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Maybe they are waiting for Family Airlines to start flying to get the extra capacity.   


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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 8):

Frankly, the handling looks no better than what the legacys provide and slower, too.



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User currently onlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7543 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 6):
Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):
Ever seen a dog with a creditcard?

Actually, absurd as it may seem, there are stories of pets being issued credit cards (usually by their owners, falsifying credit card applications).

Sounds like an old Married With Children episode when a credit card was issued to Buck, the dog.



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User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Have you guys realized the crew is loading the plane themselves???


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5081 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 12):
Frankly, the handling looks no better than what the legacys provide and slower, too

LOL! No, it looks like very good handling to me! I never once witnessed a pilot loading a pet in the bin!

On a serious note, perhaps the aircraft are down for maintenance? Maybe they are upgrading their fleet? From the looks of the picture, I would say that it appears there are quite a few pets being loaded into the 1900! I am going to guess that it has been successful so far.

[Edited 2010-03-12 17:18:59]


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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 15):
On a serious note, perhaps the aircraft are down for maintenance? Maybe they are upgrading their fleet? From the looks of the picture, I would say that it appears there are quite a few pets being loaded into the 1900! I am going to guess that it has been successful so far.

Or that photo could be staged.  


Actually, that looks like about how many we would process, outbound, on a Saturday morning at SLC. Almost everyone that walked thru the door from the time we opened, had a pet/pets to ship. Made Saturday a little hectic, at times, especially for those working the front counter and then for the person taking them to the ramp.

[Edited 2010-03-12 21:37:29]


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User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1934 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 15):

On a serious note, perhaps the aircraft are down for maintenance? Maybe they are upgrading their fleet? From the looks of the picture, I would say that it appears there are quite a few pets being loaded into the 1900! I am going to guess that it has been successful so far.

I know for 100% fact that the aircraft are not down for maintenance or upgrading. They are sitting idle waiting for Pet Airways to schedule flights again.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

It seemed like they had good traffic initially. You had to book well ahead to reserve a place for your pet. Maybe they are "reorganizing" or trying to reorganize their contract with Suburban. But I'll agree with others, it doesn't look good.

User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 18):
It seemed like they had good traffic initially. You had to book well ahead to reserve a place for your pet. Maybe they are "reorganizing" or trying to reorganize their contract with Suburban. But I'll agree with others, it doesn't look good.

Maybe it's because their schedule put them into a niche. Customers may have decided the tradeoff between having an attendant on board and actually getting the animal to its destination the same day wasn't worth it. I can't imagine any owner or breeder wanting to wait that long for the animal to show up.



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User currently offlinebravogolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5200 times:

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 1):

As someone who has breed and shown dogs, I would rather wait several days for a well cared for dog, as opposed to the possibility of the dog lost on a airport ramp somewhere or dead in the cargo hold.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Well, at least their phone lines still work. But they only accept phone calls M-F. No weekends.

User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

Quoting bravogolf (Reply 20):
As someone who has breed and shown dogs, I would rather wait several days for a well cared for dog, as opposed to the possibility of the dog lost on a airport ramp somewhere or dead in the cargo hold.

Well, I think you're in the minority. If you have a good relationship with the breeders and owners and give them good service and are able to get the animal to its destination in the same day, I think they would pick the legacy over Pet Airways. You'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

Sorry.



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User currently onlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 22):
Well, I think you're in the minority. If you have a good relationship with the breeders and owners and give them good service and are able to get the animal to its destination in the same day, I think they would pick the legacy over Pet Airways. You'll have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

It really has been difficult convincing you otherwise on this and any of the other Pet Airways threads. I can't say what the current state is with the service, though I'd like to see it succeed. Even if it is a minority opinion (which I'm not convinced, your hearsay is about as good as anyone else's), I side with BravoGolf. I've heard a number of pet owners and veterinarians asking about Pet Airways as an alternative to the regular airlines. Apparently, there are some who don't have good relationships with an airline, as you suggest. The key need was for expanded number of airports for Pet Airways. Maybe that can happen.

-Rampart


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 23):
I've heard a number of pet owners and veterinarians asking about Pet Airways as an alternative to the regular airlines.

Asking, but maybe not using. Perhaps when they found out how long it takes, they took their business elsewhere. BTW, I wouldn't hold up veterinarians as a paragon of animal welfare. I know many that tried to take it upon themselves to circumvent the rules for shipping them, just because they didn't agree with the regulations.

Quoting rampart (Reply 23):
It really has been difficult convincing you otherwise on this and any of the other Pet Airways threads.

Perhaps it's because I had 33+ years experience in doing just this.

Quoting rampart (Reply 23):
The key need was for expanded number of airports for Pet Airways. Maybe that can happen.

I would think the "key" need would be to get the transit times down before they think about expanding. Do you think they'll ever be able to expand enough to cover what even 1 legacy can?



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 type-rated : IMHO, Pet Airways caters to those who have to have the absolute best for their dogs. Some of their "pawsengers" are just pampered pooches, but others
26 lhr380 : So your saying your right and everyone else is wrong?
27 mayor : Not necessarily, but the fact that I have more experience in this field than most of the people that are promoting PetAirways on here, should carry s
28 robo65 : Why would you suspend operations to prepare for expansion? It makes no sense at all, and why would you not take further bookings unless you were not
29 Post contains images rampart : I would. Far more than the average airline joe. I understand that you have experience, and you aren't the average airline joe. I also commend your co
30 DBQ : When the media went nuts over this story, it always struck me as fiction. There is no way this model makes sense for scheduled service.
31 mtnwest1979 : My thoughts, too. They need to be like FedEx was the beginning. Use old Falcon 10s but fly longer, more popular segments. LA-NY nonstop etc. Or, perh
32 Type-Rated : I have flown dogs before my self on airlines and the airline usually wants a certificate of health from your veterinarain before they will accept the
33 Type-Rated : I actually spoke to a gal at Pet Airways today on the phone. She was in the Denver Dog Lounge. She said that the employees were told they would start
34 mayor : Oh, I agree something went wrong.......we just don't know what it is and since we don't, I hardly think you can indict the airline, here on A.net, fo
35 Post contains images speedbird9 : that's the most ridiculous think I've ever heard wow the so called passengers owners must have money to burn and there expanding i never thought it wo
36 F9Animal : Hey, Fido and Garfield are important parts of ones family. Some will go all out to pamper their beloved animals.
37 mayor : I think the type of scheduling and one other thing is killing them. That other thing is bad timing on starting up with this service. Just about the t
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