sydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 25917 times:
Hi , yesterday at arround 6pm a A320 was sitting on the Southern Runway in FRA surrounded by Fire engines
from what i heared they had some trouble with the nose landing gear after touch done (sparks flying)
anybody knows what happend
sorry about the quality of the pic , i only had my mobile phone with me.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 25892 times:
Any idea what airline that is? It's hard to tell from the pic.
sydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 25851 times:
some more information:
"It blew both nosewheel tyres, none on maingear !
As RWY18 was also not usable the entire day, due to hvy tailwind, ATC did a great job with only one active RWY! 07R was clsd for 3 hrs.!
Nearly no flights were canx, only delayed! The incident is under investigation.....!"
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 24503 times:
It definitely was an Izmir A319, Blew two nose gear tires on landing.
sralfalo From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 23589 times:
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Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 3): Nearly no flights were canx, only delayed!
sorry, but lots of flights had been cancelled. Unfortunately my flight LH026 as well but LH were so nice to switch us to an earlier flight which of course had severe delay as almost all flights had yesterday. Of course ATC did a great job, despite that it was a mess anyway with lots of unhappy passengers.
rcair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 927 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20783 times:
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19885 times:
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Quoting rcair1 (Reply 7): (think that was a A320 issue - right?)
AutothrustBlue From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19507 times:
Quoting rcair1 (Reply 7): Was it the "nose gear turned 90 degrees" issue we have seen before? (think that was a A320 issue - right?)
Its sort of like that; it is a result of failure of the o-ring in the nosegear:
Quoting a320tech, reply=26: The system uses the 2 LGCIU's (Landing Gear Control and Interface Unit) to detect weight on or off wheels. As mentioned, the system performs a test 10 seconds after gear extension (so it "knows" it's in the air, and it "knows" it's landing). It tests by moving the gear back and forth a little bit. If the o-ring has failed, when the system performs its test, the hyd pressure will push past the o-ring and drive the nose wheel fully one way.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18137 times:
Izair have 3 of these 319s ex-Independence birds. I was on this "Karsiyaka" plane less than a year back. I actually liked their level of service and the 319 was in great shape. In the airport article it mentions that this was a "ferry flight", no pax. Great pics confirming the 90 degree issue.
SLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16808 times:
OK, don't want to start another A vs B thread. But find it interesting that these 90 degree incidents with the nose gear on the A320 family everybody brushes off.
LTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16127 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13): What was the reason for both NLG Wheel tires blowing off.........
Looks like the nose gear was sideways. That would do it...
AutothrustBlue From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13911 times:
Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 12): But find it interesting that these 90 degree incidents with the nose gear on the A320 family everybody brushes off
I doubt that everybody is brushing such incidents off. Though you might find a person here and there who doesn't think it's important.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9219 posts, RR: 42 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13452 times:
Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 16): Though you might find a person here and there who doesn't think it's important.
In case anyone thinks I'm in that group... I'm not. However, like others, I was under the impression that there was a fix available and it would really be clutching at straws for a call to ground either type because of something like this.
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12868 times:
If I'm reading this right then the failure of one little O-ring causes this to happen, and there is no "backup" ? - I wonder why there hasn't been a fix for this, or a req for MX crews to inspect it....
chrisjw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12186 times:
What kind of damage is caused to the runway in an incident like this? Obviously the a/c will need a new nose landing gear, but will there be any kind of repair done to the runway or is it safe to be reopened right away?
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12186 times:
Quoting David L (Reply 21): I was pretty sure there has. I'm still looking...
Hmm where would one look? Is there a website for MX people where all these things are stored?
And if there has, then the fault will be with the operator right? I mean long term Airbus should perhaps re-design the system, but in the short term if they have made everyone aware that this is prone to problems and should be checked then they have done all they can.
SLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11995 times:
Yeah NASA should have worded that better, think they meant your chances of winning buying a ticket were the same statisticilly as not buying one at all.
I googled "A320 nose gear 90 degrees service bulletin". All I can find are service bulletins advising how to deal with it and how to prevent it. Perhaps the "fix" was just to maintain it "properly".
Daysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11592 times:
SLCGuy (Reply 24): Yeah NASA should have worded that better, think they meant your chances of winning buying a ticket were the same statisticlly as not buying one at all.
Ohhhh! I was thinking it was NASA’s plan B incase congress cut funding. There was a recent report of someone called "Mr Enders" buying thousands of Euro-Millions tickets at a gas station near Toulouse muttering something about an “A400M” ...
I’m really going to have to stop using sarcasm on here – and yeah I know it’s supposed to be the lowest form of whit... but I’m British....
[Diamond: edited to avoid RPD]
[Edited 2010-03-12 11:12:55 by diamond]
25 rcair1: That is my recollection - there is not a design change, but an decrease maintenance interval and some additional "testing". Is there a video of this
26 B6JFKH81: There was a design change of an internal component, I know, I was part of the material support team for it with B6 for the aircraft that needed the m
27 allegro: Ditto ... it is a maintenance issue not a design issue. While it might be nice to have a back up system with proper maintenance it is a non-starter .
28 B6JFKH81: See my response above yours. Messier changed the internal design of the NLG over time, the a/c in LAX (N536JB) was an "older" aircraft that did not h
29 AutothrustBlue: I believe the gear will not retract if it is out of place, and will trigger a GEAR NOT UPLOCKED or GEAR UPLOCK FAULT caution on the ECAM. There might
30 B6JFKH81: I think the aircraft that the mods were done on by B6 went all the way up into the N58#JB range, so the mod direct from the factory didn't hit until
32 HAWK21M: There was an SB on this regarding the O ring......Inspite of the Info available it should NOT reoccur. regds MEL.
33 SEPilot: While annoying the nosegear problem with the A320 so far has not caused any injuries or deaths, and is not likely to. Both times it has happened it ca
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