Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
A320 In Trouble After Landing In FRA Yesterday  
User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 27353 times:

Hi , yesterday at arround 6pm a A320 was sitting on the Southern Runway in FRA surrounded by Fire engines
from what i heared they had some trouble with the nose landing gear after touch done (sparks flying)
anybody knows what happend

sorry about the quality of the pic , i only had my mobile phone with me.

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 27328 times:

Any idea what airline that is? It's hard to tell from the pic.


Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 27294 times:

someone said Izmir Air A319

User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 27287 times:

some more information:
"It blew both nosewheel tyres, none on maingear !
As RWY18 was also not usable the entire day, due to hvy tailwind, ATC did a great job with only one active RWY! 07R was clsd for 3 hrs.!
Nearly no flights were canx, only delayed! The incident is under investigation.....!"


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 26844 times:

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 2):
someone said Izmir Air A319

It's indeed Izair, but they also operate A320's.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Dejan Milinkovic




"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 25939 times:

It definitely was an Izmir A319, Blew two nose gear tires on landing.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42875f53&opt=0



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlinesralfalo From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 25025 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 3):
Nearly no flights were canx, only delayed!

sorry, but lots of flights had been cancelled. Unfortunately my flight LH026 as well but LH were so nice to switch us to an earlier flight which of course had severe delay as almost all flights had yesterday. Of course ATC did a great job, despite that it was a mess anyway with lots of unhappy passengers.

Lars


User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1317 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22219 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CUSTOMER SERVICE & SUPPORT

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 5):
Blew two nose gear tires on landing.

Was it the "nose gear turned 90 degrees" issue we have seen before? (think that was a A320 issue - right?)



rcair1
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 21321 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 7):
(think that was a A320 issue - right?)

Indeed:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andrew Marino




Intentionally Left Blank
User currently offlineAutothrustBlue From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 20943 times:

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 7):
Was it the "nose gear turned 90 degrees" issue we have seen before? (think that was a A320 issue - right?)

Its sort of like that; it is a result of failure of the o-ring in the nosegear:

Quoting a320tech, reply=26:
The system uses the 2 LGCIU's (Landing Gear Control and Interface Unit) to detect weight on or off wheels. As mentioned, the system performs a test 10 seconds after gear extension (so it "knows" it's in the air, and it "knows" it's landing). It tests by moving the gear back and forth a little bit. If the o-ring has failed, when the system performs its test, the hyd pressure will push past the o-ring and drive the nose wheel fully one way.
A320 Nose Gear Incidents (by DALMD88 Sep 22 2005 in Tech Ops)



Power set.
User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 20450 times:

as also posted in the other tread here are some more pictures showing the damage caused by this incident http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/readnews.php?newid=21942

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19573 times:

Izair have 3 of these 319s ex-Independence birds. I was on this "Karsiyaka" plane less than a year back. I actually liked their level of service and the 319 was in great shape. In the airport article it mentions that this was a "ferry flight", no pax. Great pics confirming the 90 degree issue.

User currently offlineSLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18244 times:

OK, don't want to start another A vs B thread. But find it interesting that these 90 degree incidents with the nose gear on the A320 family everybody brushes off.

[Edited 2010-03-11 10:51:44]

[Edited 2010-03-11 10:52:38]

[Edited 2010-03-12 10:49:34 by diamond]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18055 times:

What was the reason for both NLG Wheel tires blowing off.........
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17563 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
What was the reason for both NLG Wheel tires blowing off.........

Looks like the nose gear was sideways. That would do it...


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16311 times:

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 12):
don't want to start another A vs B thread

Good - it doesn't seem to be warranted. Isn't this more of a PITA than a life-threatening issue?  








[Diamond: edited to avoid RPD]

[Edited 2010-03-12 10:51:00 by diamond]

User currently offlineAutothrustBlue From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15347 times:

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 12):
But find it interesting that these 90 degree incidents with the nose gear on the A320 family everybody brushes off

I doubt that everybody is brushing such incidents off. Though you might find a person here and there who doesn't think it's important.







[Diamond: edited to avoid RPD]

[Edited 2010-03-12 10:52:14 by diamond]


Power set.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14888 times:

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 16):
Though you might find a person here and there who doesn't think it's important.

In case anyone thinks I'm in that group... I'm not. However, like others, I was under the impression that there was a fix available and it would really be clutching at straws for a call to ground either type because of something like this.

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 16):
the (outstanding) safety record of the 737

Absolutely. They're equally outstanding.  


User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14304 times:

If I'm reading this right then the failure of one little O-ring causes this to happen, and there is no "backup" ? - I wonder why there hasn't been a fix for this, or a req for MX crews to inspect it....

[Edited 2010-03-12 11:09:35 by diamond]

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13784 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 20):
I wonder why there hasn't been a fix for this, or a req for MX crews to inspect it....

I was pretty sure there has. I'm still looking...


User currently offlinechrisjw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13622 times:

What kind of damage is caused to the runway in an incident like this? Obviously the a/c will need a new nose landing gear, but will there be any kind of repair done to the runway or is it safe to be reopened right away?

[Edited 2010-03-12 11:10:46 by diamond]

User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13622 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 21):
I was pretty sure there has. I'm still looking...

Hmm where would one look? Is there a website for MX people where all these things are stored?

And if there has, then the fault will be with the operator right? I mean long term Airbus should perhaps re-design the system, but in the short term if they have made everyone aware that this is prone to problems and should be checked then they have done all they can.


User currently offlineSLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13431 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 20):

Yeah NASA should have worded that better, think they meant your chances of winning buying a ticket were the same statisticilly as not buying one at all.

[Edited 2010-03-11 13:10:15]

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13288 times:

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 23):
Hmm where would one look?

I googled "A320 nose gear 90 degrees service bulletin". All I can find are service bulletins advising how to deal with it and how to prevent it. Perhaps the "fix" was just to maintain it "properly".  


User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13028 times:

SLCGuy (Reply 24):
Yeah NASA should have worded that better, think they meant your chances of winning buying a ticket were the same statisticlly as not buying one at all.

Ohhhh! I was thinking it was NASA’s plan B incase congress cut funding. There was a recent report of someone called "Mr Enders" buying thousands of Euro-Millions tickets at a gas station near Toulouse muttering something about an “A400M” ...

I’m really going to have to stop using sarcasm on here – and yeah I know it’s supposed to be the lowest form of whit... but I’m British....  





[Diamond: edited to avoid RPD]

[Edited 2010-03-12 11:12:55 by diamond]

25 rcair1 : That is my recollection - there is not a design change, but an decrease maintenance interval and some additional "testing". Is there a video of this
26 B6JFKH81 : There was a design change of an internal component, I know, I was part of the material support team for it with B6 for the aircraft that needed the m
27 allegro : Ditto ... it is a maintenance issue not a design issue. While it might be nice to have a back up system with proper maintenance it is a non-starter .
28 B6JFKH81 : See my response above yours. Messier changed the internal design of the NLG over time, the a/c in LAX (N536JB) was an "older" aircraft that did not h
29 AutothrustBlue : I believe the gear will not retract if it is out of place, and will trigger a GEAR NOT UPLOCKED or GEAR UPLOCK FAULT caution on the ECAM. There might
30 B6JFKH81 : I think the aircraft that the mods were done on by B6 went all the way up into the N58#JB range, so the mod direct from the factory didn't hit until
31 allegro : Great info, thanks!
32 HAWK21M : There was an SB on this regarding the O ring......Inspite of the Info available it should NOT reoccur. regds MEL.
33 SEPilot : While annoying the nosegear problem with the A320 so far has not caused any injuries or deaths, and is not likely to. Both times it has happened it ca
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
EZY A320 In Trouble After Departing PFO posted Thu Aug 21 2008 05:24:58 by CYatUK
World Airways MD11 In FRA Yesterday? posted Mon Feb 28 2005 09:42:28 by NoelG
A320 Engine On Fire In Paris posted Wed Aug 5 2009 04:03:32 by AFCDGPTP
Emergency Landing In DTW After Takeoff posted Sun Mar 15 2009 19:08:51 by Super80DFW
First A320 To Be Assembled In Hamburg posted Wed Mar 26 2008 03:14:33 by Columba
Elections In Hesse - FRA Expansion posted Sun Jan 27 2008 23:54:21 by SailorOrion
Pax In The Aisle After Landing AMS posted Sat May 12 2007 12:57:37 by Bobnwa
Ted A320 Missing A Gear Door In Flight? (photo) posted Tue Apr 18 2006 20:56:56 by Mattbna
What To Do In Frankfurt? (FRA) With 5 Hours posted Sun Aug 21 2005 13:47:22 by UN_B732
Today's Travel Trouble Spots In The U.S posted Mon Jun 6 2005 01:51:40 by Freedomtofly