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BA Worker Arrested In Terror Plot.  
User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

A BA employee working in the IT department was arrested for planning his own suicide bombing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-bring-jet-cabin-crew-strike.html

Whats most alarming is that BA confirmed that this guy was also one of the volunteers to work as Cabin Crew during any industrial action.

[Edited 2010-03-11 05:33:43]

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User currently offlinePacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

I find this news alarming! However, it is a reminder that with the amount of different staff having access
to an aircraft before takeoff...realistically, someone could atempt to do it anyway.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

That stupid    ......he should be locked in jail for life with the keys thrown away if he is found guilty. Society doesn't have room for retards like him.

Apropos, the one of the main mufti's in Islam, who opposed suicide bombing, passed away yesterday... 

We need more people like him..influencial people who oppose these crazy wackos...



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
this guy was also one of the volunteers to work as Cabin Crew during any industrial action.

No he wasn't. He applied, and was rejected, he wouldn't have been eligible and he wouldn't even have been able to get an airside pass.



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Very embarrassing for BA, but its not like they knew about it the whole time.
We need to find a nice wide open area on the Canadian Prairie or the Australian Outback, cordon it off and let all these so called martyrs go there at the same time and blow themselves to bits. Then they are happy because they are dead and we are happy because we don't have to waste time and money tracking them down. A win-win situation for all concerned I think.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2807 times:
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Quoting LHR27C (Reply 3):
No he wasn't. He applied, and was rejected, he wouldn't have been eligible and he wouldn't even have been able to get an airside pass.

Interesting.

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 4):
A win-win situation for all concerned I think.

win-win if hunting permits are sold.   

Seriously, someone has to be truly wacko to want to blow themselves up.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
Whats most alarming is that BA confirmed that this guy was also one of the volunteers to work as Cabin Crew during any industrial action.

Even though unite would have you think otherwise, this chap would have had to go thru the same background and security check every airside worker has to go thru that is handled not by BA, but a third party.
He put his name down for crew maybe, but he was never signed up or sent to London for training.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 3):
He applied, and was rejected

This is NOT correct. NO volunteers were rejected. The guy was on a waiting list for a training course if needed.

Fact is, without the covert operation from the UK police authorities the guy would have gained an airside pass. How? Because like all Cabin Crew the guy would have had to submit to a Criminal Record Check......but as he had not committed any crime in the past it would have came back clean.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 7):
Fact is, without the covert operation from the UK police authorities the guy would have gained an airside pass. How? Because like all Cabin Crew the guy would have had to submit to a Criminal Record Check......but as he had not committed any crime in the past it would have came back clean.

Just like ANY person applying for an airside job would. I like how the union have not mentioned this and want to put BA in the bad light, its evil don't you know........


User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 7):
This is NOT correct. NO volunteers were rejected. The guy was on a waiting list for a training course if needed.

OK then, he would have been rejected as soon as his application was considered. Very different to the union's implication that he was about to start manning a volunteer flight.

Quote:
From: Tim Steeds, Director of Safety and Security

To: All colleagues

In relation to today's remand in custody of a British Airways employee on
terrorism charges, some media reports have suggested that the individual
concerned applied to train as volunteer cabin crew.

I want to make clear that all volunteers have to meet the same safety and
security criteria as regular cabin crew recruits. There is no possibility
that this individual could have been considered or selected for this
position.

Claims by trade union representatives that the selection or training of
volunteer crew could bypass the normal stringent requirements are baseless
and irresponsible.



Once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned forever skyward
User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 3):
Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
this guy was also one of the volunteers to work as Cabin Crew during any industrial action.

No he wasn't. He applied, and was rejected, he wouldn't have been eligible and he wouldn't even have been able to get an airside pass.
Quoting LHR27C (Reply 9):
I want to make clear that all volunteers have to meet the same safety and
security criteria as regular cabin crew recruits. There is no possibility
that this individual could have been considered or selected for this
position.

Up until his arrest why would he have been rejected? The article doesn't mention any previous criminal charges.


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 9):
OK then, he would have been rejected as soon as his application was considered.

IF this guy's Criminal Record Check was clean how do you know he would have been rejected? On what grounds?


User currently offlinelegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

The best thing to happen to these people is that they just disappear. Kill them but do not make a scene about it. That way they are dead but did not die as martyrs.


Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

You mean that some secret "Court" or individual decides that you are guilty of something and you are liquidated.

Sounds like "Nebel und Nacht" or the Gulags.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 9):
OK then, he would have been rejected as soon as his application was considered. Very different to the union's implication that he was about to start manning a volunteer flight.

On what grounds would BA have rejected his application?

The guy was volunteering to 'back BA'. He was already an employee with a clean criminal record.


User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 14):
The guy was volunteering to 'back BA'. He was already an employee with a clean criminal record

Correction. He was call centre staff. I believe the "security" check for call centre staff is not as stringent as that for an airside pass.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Quoting Panman (Reply 15):
Correction. He was call centre staff. I believe the "security" check for call centre staff is not as stringent as that for an airside pass.

The guy was a software developer in the IT department.

The only record check that is done for airside pass holders is a Criminal Record Check (CRC). Again, the guy had no criminal record. So the checks would not have flagged anything up.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...rker-in-court-on-terror-charges.do


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 14):
On what grounds would BA have rejected his application?

The guy was volunteering to 'back BA'. He was already an employee with a clean criminal record.

Somehow or other he was detected, before his application to volunteer was accepted. It could be said that due to his employment history at BA, he was easier to detect as he left a trail of evidence on computer systems. A fresh starter as cabin crew could potentially have been less easy to detect.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Absolutely Bongodog.

Regardless whether he was a legit external cabin crew applicant or an internal 'voluteer' nothing would have been flagged up by BA. The only difference being that as an external cabin crew applicant he would have had to actually GET the job first.....where as a volunteer, there was no recruitment or application process.....it was a case of if your department can spare you and you can obtain a criminal record check, you're in.

According to the press he had been subject to police counter terrorism survillance for sometime, though BA was not aware of this.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

The worrying thing is that regardless of his being a direct cabin crew applicant, or a volunteer for strike breaking, that background checks may well have yielded absoloutely nothing.

I have personally seen that the CRB checks so beloved of our Government, and extensively required to work with children and the vulnerable, are to be completed just the same regardless of the applicants origins.

In all likelihood the security checks for air side will be little different. A long term UK resident is relatively easy to check on, as their conacts with officialdom will be documented, and can be verified. Thus we can be sure that Mr X, of address y, was formerly Mr X of address Z, and before that Mr X of address B.

When however a person has only recently come to the UK, particularly from a 3rd world country, what can you find out about them ?
The UK authorities are likely to receive minimal if any co operation from the previous Country of residence for a variety of reasons, a major one of which may well be that they don't keep records of the type to which we are used to.

For these checks to be of any use, the applicant should only be accepted, if either they have a long term UK residency, or their previous host Country has a similar robust system of checking personal records.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Another limitation is that the Criminal Record Check for an airside pass only checks UK criminal records.

Any arrests or convictions that someone may have outside the UK while living abroad will not be flagged up and the person will be able to obtain an airside pass.


User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1796 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
Seriously, someone has to be truly wacko to want to blow themselves up.

... or to work in I.T.



rolf
User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Playing Devil's Advocate here ....

Saying he got as far as temporary cabin staff with BA, do crew not go through security checks in the UK?

For reasons only understood by our government, air crew in Canada are subjected to security checks when entering the secure area, that are often more strict than for passengers. Whatever this gentleman would require to destroy an airliner, would that not be detected long before reaching the aircraft?



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