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Why No JetBlue In North Texas?  
User currently offlineUSAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8088 times:

I have done a search, but if there is a topic already started I do apologize. It has pondered on my mind for years on why jetBlue has not come into the DFW - DAL region. Is it the fact they are terrified of getting eatin alive by WN, and AA? Or is it that they are more interested in growing in the Caribbean that they aren't really looking into more domestic areas in the Northwest? I think more competition in this area of Texas is badly needed. In DFW alone there are only 8 airlines. With an airport of this size, "bigger than the state of Rhode Island" I would think this kind of market would be attractive. There are about 2 million people surrounding the DFW metroplex. Anybody I talk to in this area that has flown jetBlue said they would fly them over AA anyday. So what is stopping jetBlue from coming here? Any ideas?


Sincerely,

USAirways787


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11145 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
There are about 2 million people surrounding the DFW metroplex.

Try over six million - and growing by the day.  
Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
Anybody I talk to in this area that has flown jetBlue said they would fly them over AA anyday.

I wouldn't bet on that. JetBlue would cultivate a following here in DFW - no question about it.

But for all the alleged carping and complaining from DFW area flyers, most are still quite loyal to AA for the simple reason that AA, for all its perceived shortcomings, offers by far the most comprehensive product - in terms of schedule, frequency, premium amenities, etc. - of any airline in North Texas.

The only other airline with an equally-passionate following is Southwest because it, too, offers an extensive and convenient network and product here that people use constantly.

There isn't a whole lot of room for more beyond that.

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
So what is stopping jetBlue from coming here?

They just haven't gotten here yet. I'm sure they will eventually.


User currently offlineprofcalvin From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

I was always wondering the same thing, and wishing for more competition/more choices out of the DFW area as a resident myself...

User currently offlinessides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8050 times:

B6 isn't in the Dallas-Fort Worth area for the same reasons they aren't in Atlanta, Minneapolis, Detroit, etc.

The DFW market is similar to Atlanta in the sense that you have a top-tier legacy carrier with its main "fortress" hub here (AA), along with a well-established low-cost carrier with a very loyal following (WN). Atlanta has the same with DL and FL. B6 got burned pretty badly with its experiment at ATL, and I'm sure risking similar failure in the Dallas market just isn't worth it for them.

As for competition and choice, DFW is pretty well served. You can fly AA from DFW to just about anywhere, and WN has a great operation from DAL (which will become even larger after Wright has gone away completely). In addition to these two megacarriers, you've got every major legacy airline, along with other LCCs, serving the market, as well as a decent slate of foreign carriers. In short, DFW residents don't have much to complain about when it comes to air service.



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User currently offlineUSAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
Try over six million - and growing by the day.

Now see I thought it was way more than that however I should have known Wikipedia would be wrong again. I am awaiting the day to fill out an application for jetBlue. I hope many are right when they say they just haven't gotten here yet, but as residents we know Texas has a lot to offer. The Superbowl is coming into town (yes I know one time thing), we are growing tourism wise, and we have a very strong economy versus most of the United States.



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User currently offlineb6fa4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

As much as I'd hate to say it...but 3 letters come to mind with your thread: A - T - L

Granted we were a heck of a lot smaller then (and only flying LGB-ATL, near the end adding OAK) and now we are a larger carrier but Dallas has the 500lb gorillas (AA/DFW, WN/DAL). It would be an encore presentation of what happened to us back in '03. Why spend the $$$ on a route(s) to Dallas when we could have a monopoly (or deal w/ less competition) on a route to the Carribbean/Latin America areas.

[Edited 2010-03-12 12:22:16 by srbmod]

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7348 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
It has pondered on my mind for years on why jetBlue has not come into the DFW - DAL region. Is it the fact they are terrified of getting eatin alive by WN, and AA?

jetBlue tried to participate in the Wright Amendment/ Love Field legislation.

They basically said the gate restrictions being placed on DAL and the guaranteed number of exclusive gates to WN makes competition impossible. They favored removing Wright restrictions immediately. Something WN and AA both opposed.

AA possibly would like DAL closed, but they also do not want to go head to head with WN at DFW. That could be a bloody, long battle which would hurt both airlines significantly. The current situation keeps that battle from occuring.

WN wants the restrictions removed, but a phased implementation to give them time to adjust their fleet and routes. WN did not want the restrictions removed completely and see 20 new gates opened at DAL by other LCC carriers in a few months.

The US Congress did not agree with B6, saying there will be capacity at DAL for competition when the Wright restrictions end.

jetBlue has not been public about this, but it is very apparent that they do not want to go into DFW. The airport costs, the lack of prime terminal space, the competiton with AA - all big potential to make the airport unprofitable. AA has shown in the past that they will match any airline on frequency and cost if they try to move into DFW and take over a profitable route.

If B6 comes to DFW, the route to JFK will be their moneymaker, with some possible traffic to LAX and MCO/FLL. They know AA will beat them with frequency to JFK, and under cut them price wise to JFK, LAX and Florida.

B6 is a good airline, but are your friends going to fly it at a higher price than AA ?

The history of airlines in the US including B6 says no.

I am pretty sure we will see B6 at DAL in the future. Their interest in the Love debate shows where the B6 long term plans are focused.

[Edited 2010-03-12 12:21:57]

User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
I think more competition in this area of Texas is badly needed. In DFW alone there are only 8 airlines.

There are fifteen commercial airlines serving DFW and three serving DAL. But you are correct, more competition would be nice.

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
There are about 2 million people surrounding the DFW metroplex.

As Commavia stated, we are actually over 6.3 million people strong, and more people moved to the Metroplex between 2000-2008 than any other metro area in the country (1.1 million people moved here).

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
Anybody I talk to in this area that has flown jetBlue said they would fly them over AA anyday.

While I like jetBlue and would fly them again, the two bottom lines continue to be price and brand loyalty. All things being equal, I will fly on AA, even though I like jetBlue better, because they are my main frequent flier program.

Quoting USAirways787 (Thread starter):
So what is stopping jetBlue from coming here? Any ideas?

Brand loyalty, decently filled market to New York City, and more profitable opportunities elsewhere at the moment. They will be here eventually, but not a minute before it makes economic sense for them to be here.

Texan



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User currently offlineUSAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

I appreciate all of your insight Anetters. Much obliged. I am now fully enlightened and informed on the situation and for that I thank you.


USAirways787



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7330 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
Try over six million - and growing by the day.

As of 2009, 6.5 Million people.

DFW is now the 4th largest metro area in the United States after NYC, LA, and Chicago.   Its also has the 6th largest GDP in the US and the 10th largest in the world.

Quoting USAirways787 (Reply 4):
Now see I thought it was way more than that however I should have known Wikipedia would be wrong again.

No, they had it right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tes_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

But back to the topic, JetBlue will show up in Dallas when the Wright Amendment passes and if they can get a gate. I dont think Jetblue has any interest in DFW, but they do in Love Field.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11145 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
AA possibly would like DAL closed, but they also do not want to go head to head with WN at DFW.

Quite the opposite.

AA would love nothing more than for WN to move to DFW - that is, indeed, precisely what they were lobbying for back a few years ago during the Wright Amendment debates.

AA views WN's operation at DAL as not only being inconsistent with the original agreements signed between the Cities of Dallas and Fort Worth upon DFW's creation, but also view it as given WN an unfair competitive advantage. While I take pains to avoid rehashing thsi old argument, I personally think that in the context of history, I think AA is right about the first part, while the second is debatable.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
The airport costs, the lack of prime terminal space, the competiton with AA

If that's honestly JetBlue's excuse, that's a red herring, in my view.

For starters, JetBlue operates into airports with substantially higher per-emplanement costs than DFW.

Second, there is plenty of "prime" (as in usable) terminal space unused at DFW. E has several gates empty, and D has tons of open space (albeit at a higher cost, admittedly).


User currently offlineUSAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

Commavia, do you work at DFW?


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Several years back, FL tried to grow DFW into a focus city and it didn't pan out so well (I made use of it coming home from LAS a few times to save a few bucks on airfare.). As previously mentioned, there is significant loyalty to AA and WN, which increased after DL shuttered their hub at DFW.

The ATL example is pretty much dead on. DL dominates ATL in much the same way as AA does at DFW and FL is the LCC of note in Atlanta. Look at what AA did to Legend over at DAL about a decade ago. They fought them in the courts in order to force them to go through most of their capital before flying a single flight, and once Legend finally got the clearance to start, AA starts a competing service out of DAL using F100s. Legend for some reason had AA spooked about losing premium and business passengers.

Could B6 enter Dallas and do well? Who knows. It may really depend on what cities they would fly to from there. There really is the chance that AA beats them like a government mule if they were to fly Dallas-JFK (B6 didn't even go up against DL on JFK-ATL when they served ATL.) But there are better places with lower hanging fruit for them (this is something FL has learned in recent years) where they could fare better.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7348 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 10):
Quite the opposite.

AA would love nothing more than for WN to move to DFW - that is, indeed, precisely what they were lobbying for back a few years ago during the Wright Amendment debates.


I disagree, and so did Robert Crandall. His strategy when Wright was eventually overturned - a certainty in his opinion - was that keeping WN at DAL with restrictions on the airport capacity was the best possible solution. It is amazing to see his 1989 proposal implemented almost word for word today.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11145 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Quoting USAirways787 (Reply 11):
Commavia, do you work at DFW?

No.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 12):
Could B6 enter Dallas and do well? Who knows.

As I said - I think they could. Could B6 profitably build a hub at DFW? No, I don't think so. But build a loyal following among a core group of customers in a few select markets - JFK being the obvious one? Yeah - I think JetBlue could definitely do it with their strong service.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 12):
But there are better places with lower hanging fruit for them (this is something FL has learned in recent years) where they could fare better.

  

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 13):
His strategy when Wright was eventually overturned - a certainty in his opinion - was that keeping WN at DAL with restrictions on the airport capacity was the best possible solution. It is amazing to see his 1989 proposal implemented almost word for word today.

In 2006, as opposed to 1989, AA's official position was that DAL should be closed entirely and Southwest move to DFW.


User currently offlinecasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tes_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

This table has some issues,.

MSA is not that great.

Under MSA , Raleigh -Cary is 50th Largest Metro Area.

However Under CSA when combined with Durham/Chapel Hill the other part of the triangle.
The size goes to 29th.


When talking about Airports, the CSA needs to be used as it usually includes surrounding areas of 30-50 miles which usually make up the Airports customers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o..._States_Combined_Statistical_Areas



I think Jetblue will arrive at DFW within the next 2 years. Not so much as trying to steal traffic from AA, but rather to connect points where it has a loyal following now. BOS, FLL, OAK, and other locations would be completely viable just from loyal customers.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7330 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
In 2006, as opposed to 1989, AA's official position was that DAL should be closed entirely and Southwest move to DFW.

I like the compomise that came out of it. Instead of limiting where they can fly, limit the amount of gates at the airport.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
I am pretty sure we will see B6 at DAL in the future. Their interest in the Love debate shows where the B6 long term plans are focused.

I agree. I am almost positive that B6 will take DAL over DFW no matter what. If they are really hasty, you will probably see a JFK-DAL announcement from B6 the day the Wright/Shelby Restrictions are lifted.



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User currently offlineUS330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3842 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7628 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 12):
Legend for some reason had AA spooked about losing premium and business passengers.

Love Field is a five minute drive from several of Dallas' wealthiest neighborhoods (Highland Park, Preston Hollow, University Park etc.). The fear was that these wealthy and premium pax would stop flying AA out of DFW and instead fly Legend out of Love Field because of convenience and proximity.
That wasn't necessarily the case, as these fliers are pretty loyal to AA because of options and their frequent flier program
Once the Wright Amendment goes bye-bye, I could see AA experiment with token service to several big business markets--2/3 daily to LAX, ORD, LGA, and DCA.

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
Could B6 profitably build a hub at DFW? No, I don't think so. But build a loyal following among a core group of customers in a few select markets - JFK being the obvious one? Yeah - I think JetBlue could definitely do it with their strong service.

Both Frontier and Alaska have steadily increased their service since they started it. JetBlue would never be a major player at DFW, but they could run some niche point to point services, like to Long Beach, Fort Lauderdale, and JFK


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11145 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 17):
I agree. I am almost positive that B6 will take DAL over DFW no matter what. If they are really hasty, you will probably see a JFK-DAL announcement from B6 the day the Wright/Shelby Restrictions are lifted.

And where are the going to get a gate at DAL from? The only airlines at DAL with gates will be WN (16 gates), AA (2) and CO (2).

AA sure as h*ll won't be giving any gate space to B6, and I don't see WN giving them any space either. That leaves CO, which is an option - perhaps - but far from ideal, since CO's gates are in use at most of the prime times of the day when B6 would want to have flights.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Quoting b6fa4ever (Reply 5):
It would be an encore presentation of what happened to us back in '03. Why spend the $$$ on a route(s) to Dallas when we could have a monopoly (or deal w/ less competition) on a route to the Carribbean/Latin America areas.

It would be an encore presentation if B6 started LGB and OAK, but B6 isn't that dumb. If they came to DFW, it would be with service to JFK and BOS primarily, and that would stand a much better chance of success than ATL-LGB or ATL-OAK.

That does not mean, obviously, that B6 should start or will start DFW, but I don't think the analogy to ATL is as apt as some here think, at least with respect to what happened to B6 in those markets. Keep in mind that WN cannot fly DAL-NYC or DAL-BOS at present.



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User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

I've always thought that the next Texas city for JetBlue would be San Antonio, who's only New York service is Continental to Newark. 2-3 daily E-190s to JFK would seem a logical fit there.

If JetBlue were willing to try something outside of the box in North Texas, there's always FTW...


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11145 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 21):
If JetBlue were willing to try something outside of the box in North Texas, there's always FTW

FTW would be a no-go.

It's not really conducive to airline operations these days, and its location is not ideal for serving the entire Metroplex. Neither is Love, but Southwest has a lot of legs up on JetBlue in the Metroplex.

Plus, Fort Worth is not really the right type of market for JetBlue. If anything, clientele on the Dallas side of the Metroplex is probably a bit more JetBlue's speed.

And, frankly, Fort Worth is a core of AA's loyalty base in the Dallas area - AA's penetration into Fort Worth is hard to describe if one doesn't live here and hasn't seen it for themselves.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7330 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 22):


And, frankly, Fort Worth is a core of AA's loyalty base in the Dallas area - AA's penetration into Fort Worth is hard to describe if one doesn't live here and hasn't seen it for themselves.

It is so true! American has their name and logo on EVERYTHING in Fort Worth. I was at a TCU football game in the fall and AA sponsered the half-time, had their name on the programs, and there was a plane flying overhead for the duration of the game that had an AA banner.

INSANE!



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7452 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
And where are the going to get a gate at DAL from?

From WN, seriously. The existing lease agreements give the right to the airport owner (the city) to force a tenant to share some gates with a new entrant if a request for a tenant to voluntary give up a gate doesn't succeed. As the largest tenant by far, WN would be the first tapped, unless it can convincingly show that AA and CO aren't using their gates fully and that they can be forced to share without affecting their operations.

This being said, I do believe B6's arrival into the Metroplex is a long way off.

Quoting commavia (Reply 22):
FTW would be a no-go.
FTW is a no-go, all the reasons you mention being valid, but the main one is that the repeal agreement includes a provision whereby the cities of Dallas and Ft Worth will oppose any new commercial service anywhere in the area but at DFW for the 8-year repeal transition, so FTW is locked out of the commercial airline market for another four years.

Quoting commavia (Reply 22):
AA's penetration into Fort Worth is hard to describe if one doesn't live here and hasn't seen it for themselves.
DFW is technically in Ft Worth. AA does its 777 maintenance at AFW, also in Ft Worth. That makes AA the city's largest employer by far. That, and their contributions to schools, charities, etc, buy a lot of good will.

[Edited 2010-03-12 15:45:00]


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25 Post contains images Super80DFW : You made my day. I agree 100%! Fort Worth is definitely the center of the Metroplex AAdvantage FF base. When the Wright Amendment is over and done wi
26 commavia : I'm sure WN will be all to happy to show that they are using their gates to their max capacity, and I'm sure AA will be more than happy to show the s
27 Super80DFW : I believe WN will have 15, CO will have 2, and AA will have 3. Anyone like to confirm? I'd like it if AA would have a DAL-ORD that would depart aroun
28 blueflyer : Oh I don't doubt for one second if the day ever comes, that all three carriers will have a flight an hour every hour to somewhere out of every gate a
29 MASTYC : Exactly. I don't mean to sound like a snob, but i lived in Dallas for a little over 7 years, and I went to Fort worth maybe three times. I had no nee
30 commavia : I well could be wrong - one of our resident A.net experts can correct me. But I highly, highly doubt that Southwest (or AA, for that matter) would ev
31 blueflyer : Forgot to mention that as of the last competition report done by the city (prior to DL's arrival), AA had the lowest turn-per-gate ratio. All three c
32 commavia : That's before Wright goes away, and was based on when AA was operating that comically ridiculous Love schedule. When Wright goes away, AA will not on
33 rfields5421 : Very true. AA is the ONLY airline for Fort Worth. A great many AA workers live in Fort Worth and suburbs. The AA maint base at AFW is in Fort Worth.
34 Post contains links DeltaFFinDFW : I don't see that either. See below, and look at the bottom of page 1. It says "sharing of gates pursuant to existing lease agreements." Sounds exactl
35 Post contains links MASTYC : http://www.dallas-lovefield.com/pdf/Wright_Amend_Agreement061506.pdf You and me both. Personally, I just wish they would end all these agreements, ope
36 Post contains links commavia : Sorry to quote myself. Never mind - found it. Reading the document, it states that per the "Five Party Agreement" of 2006, the City and the airlines
37 MASTYC : I just found the competition update too. I think I got that they would be forced from the five parties agreement when it came out. So it looks like if
38 ridgid727 : As to B6 wanting entrance into DAL, WN and B6 can always work a reciprocal trade whereby WN gets access to JFK.
39 ThirtyEcho : Please take this seriously as I hear it repeated all the time: Jet Blue is regarded as a "Yankee" airline in Texas, while WN is regarded as a Texas ai
40 BOStonsox : If B6 goes to Dallas, it will be to DAL, not DFW. Their wikipedia article mentioned their unwillingness to go to DFW and their opposition to the curre
41 Cubsrule : It seems like nothing more than a codification of the conditions imposed by Air21 at every other airport, which is basically that an airline that is
42 Post contains images texan : Their general counsel, in fact, is the former Dallas City Attorney. WN and Dallas have a very deep relationship, an even deeper relationship than the
43 sccutler : An easy, if amusing, position to take, inasmuch as closing DAL was never an option. Like AA has ever experienced the remotest shred of success with D
44 commavia : That was precisely AA's point. Arpey made precisely the point back in the 2005-2006 that Southwest had effectively set up the public debate on a spec
45 US330 : Technically, it's not--the airport grounds are 60/40 Tarrant/Dallas County. The County line runs just east of terminals A, C, and E. And, from what I
46 HKGFlyer : A few miscellaneous observations: 1) On markets wherein AA and WN compete head to head out of the DFW market place (non-stop service to cities within
47 DLD9S : I totally buy the AA/WN in DFW and DL/FL in ATL argument, but how did B6 break into Houston? They too have a fortress hub at IAH with CO, and WN prac
48 JetBluefan1 : I think B6 isn't in North Texas because its focus is elsewhere right now: the Caribbean and Boston. I haven't been to Dallas, but I have been to San A
49 Post contains links BOACCunard : Comparing only CSAs is useless since some places are not part of one - e.g., on a list of CSAs, Miami does not exist! In some places the "primary cen
50 STT757 : On the contrary, I think CO will move it's EWR-DFW flights to DAL as soon as they can under the agreement.
51 sccutler : Oh, I understand that AA sought to create the impression that this was a viable option. It was, simply stated, not a meaningful impression, and the e
52 MASTYC : Lots of New Yorkers in Dallas too.
53 Blueman87 : i would like to see san Antiono, TX
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