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Ratio Of "Mainline" To "Regional" In US Majors?  
User currently offlineviscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
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What kind of ratio between "Mainline" (totally operated by themselves) and "Regional Carrier" (Express/Regional services operated by a second party in the majors name with their flight numbers - and by lower paid staff presumably) do the Major US Carriers operate under these days? 50/50, 60/40, a larger difference?   


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User currently offlineMercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

I believe AA is around 65/35% (mainline flt ops/regional)
UA is around 55/45
CO is around 60/40

# flights operated/day.
ASM's are still higher on mainline due to a/c size and avg stage length

[Edited 2010-03-13 10:54:30]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

For United, their 2009 mainline ASMs were 122,7billion with 100.5billion RPMs, while UAX partner ASMs were 18.0billion and 13.8mil RPMs.
Mainline carried 11.9million passengers for the year, and regional affiliates 3.1million passengers.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

But what are the most relavant way of measuring this

- Number of flight
- Number of aircrafts
- Number of seats
- Number of passengers flown
- Revenue passenger kilometres


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 3):
But what are the most relavant way of measuring this

- Number of flight
- Number of aircrafts
- Number of seats
- Number of passengers flown
- Revenue passenger kilometres

I would guess number of seats (ASMs)

I know the AA pilots contract limits Regional Affiliate Carriers to fly 7% or less of the total ASMs of mainline. I believe the industry average is around 20% of ASMs flown by regional carriers.



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting Mercure1 (Reply 1):
UA is around 55/45

# flights operated/day.

Based on the number flights, the regionals for UA operate WAY more flights than mainline. OO operates nearly as many, if not more, flights than UA mainline. Due to the (much) smaller aircraft, though, the passenger ratio will be closer to your estimate of 55/45, if not closer to 65/35.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Quoting Mercure1 (Reply 1):
UA is around 55/45

# flights operated/day.

Based on the number flights, the regionals for UA operate WAY more flights than mainline. OO operates nearly as many, if not more, flights than UA mainline. Due to the (much) smaller aircraft, though, the passenger ratio will be closer to your estimate of 55/45, if not closer to 65/35.

Out of the 3300 or so daily flights that UA/UAX flies around 1300 are UA Mainline and the rest are UAX. In terms of ASMs however UA Mainline is 85% of the network with 15% being flown by UAX. In terms of passengers carried UA Mainline flies around 65% of the combined network.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Let me pose this question now. I am going to assume that much of the ASM at mainline is international. If you ignore all the international ASM, and just focus on Domestic ASM, then what is the ratio? And I am talking about both ASM and total number of flights.

The reason this is relevant is because aside from the legacies, the top three domestic carriers are WN, B6, and FL, and with the exception of a couple of OO at risk flights for FL, almost all of those three carriers flights are mainline flights with mainline crews. No outsourcing at all. And because of their LCC nature, the perception among the travelling public is often that their tickets are cheaper than the Legacy carriers. Plus they are often now perceived to have better service than mainline carriers, you are always guaranteed a mainline aircraft with a mainline crew, and in the case of WN, no bag fees either. Legacies are trying to compete with these guys with mainly RJ's and perceived nickel and diming, and it could be costing them a number of passengers.


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

For 2009 I believe Eagle/AAConnection ASMs were about 10% of what AA Domestic did. 7% when comparing Eagle/AAConnection vs AA mainline as a whole.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting Mercure1 (Reply 1):
I believe AA is around 65/35% (mainline flt ops/regional)
UA is around 55/45
CO is around 60/40

# flights operated/day.
ASM's are still higher on mainline due to a/c size and avg stage length

Those mainline percentages are far too high for each of the carriers, especially CO and UA who are predominantly RJs.

Jeremy


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2533 times:

For DL: it's almost exactly 50/50 with it being slightly more mainline at the moment. According to my database on www.widgetheads.net, it's 742 mainline vs 704 regional (total 1446).

[Edited 2010-03-13 18:35:48]

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