mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 26564 posts, RR: 84 Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13585 times:
At the start of the last thread I wondered if they had much slack left in the fleet to add frequencies, of even routes, for the summer.
Some of that has happened, with the addition of the second flight to ANC and the extension of MCI-CUN.
They're changed the time of MCI-CUN, so that it will be possible to connect from MKE. That connection doesn't appear on the website yet, but they only just have the DOT authority for the Mexican code shares.
I guess we might see a couple more frequency additions or season extensions, but I don't think we'll see any more new routes announced - my dream of MCI-CRP (and/or OKC-CRP) dashed again. LOL.
Obviously, there's still a lot of debate about the name for the unified brand. They have hired Ian Arthur for all that - old timers may remember that he was involved in the development of "A Whole Different Animal."
I don't think is any kind of a hint as to his preference for the name, and I'm not holding my breath. I'm quite happy for it to come as an interesting surprise on - they say - April 13. Happily, the 13th isn't a Friday.
YXwatcherMkE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 13526 times:
I was pleasantly surprised to see that Lan Arthur has been retained once again to do the marketing campaign for the new "Brand". Hopefully the New Brand will be a familiar name and that there will be minimal change if any in the animal livery. The only thing that has been bugging me was the C-Series C-300 jet rendering was in the plain Jane Republic Livery. I am only hoping that it was done that way to "hide" the New Brand until it is announced. Any thoughts out there?
Quoting mariner (Thread starter): At the start of the last thread I wondered if they had much slack left in the fleet to add frequencies, of even routes, for the summer
I had the same thought and concern about new routes and increased flight frequencies, are there any additional a/c coming other than the 3 A320's? I would like to see a little more expansion at MKE yet this year to keep ahead of FL. And why I am thinking about the subject, why is SAN and SEA from MKE seasonal during the summer? I can see these two routes year round service.
I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13470 times:
Just to make it official, DEN-MSY will be starting with A318 aircraft as opposed to E90. Flights are bookable in the system. Not earth shattering news by any means, but news nonetheless. So that means MSY will join TPA, FLL, PHF, PHL, CUN and SDF as being cities which see or will see single daily Airbus service by the time June comes around....have I missed any? I've been curious about DEN-PHL for a while....sort of surprised by only one frequency on that one, but then again, it is served by three other carriers...so it might not be a huge shock after all. On the positive since I assume the costs of operating out of PHL are now less since F9/YX are sharing the same space.
fl787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1568 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13388 times:
Does anyone know if F9 is still adding a pilot crew base in MKE? It doesn't even seem like they need it with the April schedule only having 11 Airbus flights out of MKE (and 3 of those to DEN). The summer schedule isn't much busier with only 13 Airbus flights (with 4 of those to DEN).
Jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2987 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13250 times:
Quoting mariner (Thread starter): I guess we might see a couple more frequency additions or season extensions, but I don't think we'll see any more new routes announced - my dream of MCI-CRP (and/or OKC-CRP) dashed again. LOL.
If they kept the Dash 8 fleet I think MCI-OKC-CRP and return would perform well. It would help connect the dots a little bit and allow some F9 market share to the north and east out of OKC, instead of going all the way to DEN. But with Lynx leaving, we might not get that, unless it was on E170's.
sideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13073 times:
So continuing on from the last thread I was wondering where the F9 mechanics were that came to MKE and it seems they are in training, or to be more exact, in Republic orientation as it seems they will soon be working for Republic and not F9. This just gets more interesting everyday.
Airport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12963 times:
I honestly wouldn't mind a brand change, if it weren't for the fact that there are so many recent brand changes (not necessarily related to the airline industry) that I've completely despised. I'm really disliking where marketing trends are going, especially in the airline industry. Frontier and Midwest were two brands that I loved, because they had both a modern and yet a classic feel to them. The animals were great because they made every aircraft unique. It prevented their aircraft from ever looking boring, unlike other airlines which have a unified livery across every aircraft. Frontier's brand is consistent, fresh, modern, quirky, classy, and all of the above.
I guess I don't mind livery changes and logo changes and brand changes provided the updated brand is simply a better done brand. But with such a strong brand, I feel like that's going to be next to impossible to achieve. And considering where marketing trends are going, I just have a bad feeling that if they overhaul the brand, the results will not be as good as the current brand.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12593 times:
Quoting sideflare75 (Reply 7): I was wondering where the F9 mechanics were that came to MKE and it seems they are in training, or to be more exact, in Republic orientation as it seems they will soon be working for Republic and not F9. This just gets more interesting everyday.
Interesting, indeed. It is puzzling how unionized F9 mechanics who elected to relocate to MKE are now being told that they are RW employees and non-unioned. How can they automatically go from being a F9 unionized employee to a RW non-union employee? I do not think the law or union rules permit that to happen.
I wonder if there is more to the story than what's really going on. I'm no fan of unions, but if I went from a F9 union shop and transferred to a place where there is really no F9 presence (mx-wise) and found out that I am no longer in a union after the fact, I'd be pretty peeved.... I mean, really peeved.
Now, if RW said "If you relocate to MKE, you will not be in a union", then I doubt that those 35-40 mechanics would have made the trek. Like I said, there has to be more to the story than what we are seeing now. Something is up.
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GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3339 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12445 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10): I wonder if there is more to the story than what's really going on. I'm no fan of unions, but if I went from a F9 union shop and transferred to a place where there is really no F9 presence (mx-wise) and found out that I am no longer in a union after the fact, I'd be pretty peeved.... I mean, really peeved.
I have a hunch this is why the IBT filed their grievance against RAH. I have a hunch the mech types are on sabbaticle until a judge, administrative law or otherwise rules. Courtesy Associated Press AP and USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...republic-frontier-mechanices_N.htm IMO turbulence would have been a better choice of word in lieu of "speed bump".
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LRDC9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11953 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 18): It's summer seasonal, flying MSP-STN - with an intermediate stop (I am told) at YQX, Gander, Canada. Fares starting at $399
Way outa left field. It is exciting though. Almost makes me want to Fly IAD-MSP-YQX-STN . Except really. LOL.
On a seperate note - I am currently thinking that the F9 branding will stay but that the Frontier name will be replaced by Republic to represent the new kind of network they are working at - if not to give them a new-ish branding slate to work with. Or at least this is what I am hoping. Seeing the po'ed reaction of F9 loyalists at the potential of losing the F9 brand I think it is prudent to keep the majority of it intact. Especially since the YX key markets seem resigned and indifferent to the potential of losing the YX brand.
FRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11917 times:
Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 20): On a seperate note - I am currently thinking that the F9 branding will stay but that the Frontier name will be replaced by Republic to represent the new kind of network they are working at - if not to give them a new-ish branding slate to work with. Or at least this is what I am hoping. Seeing the po'ed reaction of F9 loyalists at the potential of losing the F9 brand I think it is prudent to keep the majority of it intact. Especially since the YX key markets seem resigned and indifferent to the potential of losing the YX brand.
Honestly, I do not think it would be too hard to create a solid unified brand with the Republic name. If they keep a lot of the Frontier branding in tact, I am certain Denver will rally to it. Ian Arthur has proven himself before, so I am glad to see him on the RAH team now. The excitement around Republic just wont go away, will it.
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boydatageek From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11762 times:
Quoting LRDC9 (Reply 20): Especially since the YX key markets seem resigned and indifferent to the potential of losing the YX brand.
I think that you are seeing stuff that in general isn't there, certainly not the indifference. The resentment and backlash from losing the Midwest Brand is most likely huge. Many view it as the LAST legacy of the Midwest Express pride. Without it, people will just as well fly AirTran and Southwest.
You saw some of that dynamic when Daykin wrote about BB's branding statement a few weeks back. None of his other anti-BB or anti-YX articles caused this severe of readers reactions.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5910 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11692 times:
Quoting YXwatcherMkE (Reply 1): And why I am thinking about the subject, why is SAN and SEA from MKE seasonal during the summer? I can see these two routes year round service.
I certainly agree with you! Both of these MKE-routes are also served by FL; SEA-MKE is served year-round by FL and SAN-MKE, flown by FL only between Memorial Day and Labor Day, has just been increased from 1 to 2 daily flights. I've said it before and I'll stick by it here: if F/Y/R goes year-round with MKE-SAN, even with only 1 flight, and FL doesn't, I would bet they (F/Y/R) would "own" the route.
So yes, from a competitive standpoint, it seems that it would be advantageous for F/Y/R to convert both MKE-SAN and MKE-SEA to permanent year-round service. We'll see what happens later this summer....
: The problem is that these (especially SEA) ARE very seasonal from the Midwest area. Below are the last years worth of DOT passenger/day statistics. I
: SM's replacement, perhaps?? You are truly one amazing and unique A.netter here, of course!
: Good post and thank you for posting the data, '"geek". I had originally written a longer post here and have discussed this situation in other threads
: My thoughts. Should be interesting, he has proven himself before.
: SEA-MKE and SAN_MKE routes... If Republic/F9/YX was to maintain their lead in MKE they need to keep the routes year round. If they keep cutting the se
: Let's hope F/Y/R see's it the same way we do! Concerning the San Diego route, and as I've suggested before, my bet would be that F/Y/R will wait unti
: Hmmmm. I raise a few eyebrows about that. Given that I can always be wrong, my reading is that BB is in charge, that this is all his idea, he pwns it
: Very true, I have several relatives that find SAN a great winter vacation destination ever since we had one of our nephews stationed there while in t
: Not to rain on your parade SANFan, but keep in mind greater Los Angeles area serves as a gateway to San Diego especially during low traffic periods. S
: I can tell you all with complete certainty that Ian is not SM's replacement. Ian along with the other branded VPs, Greg, Jim and Daniel, would report
: But you have to admit that the job title that SM had after the auction is pretty similar to what Ian Arthur holds not. Very, very similar..... Now th
: There is more to the story, but I'm not sure I want to go there again - my view of it was somewhat controversial last time around. And ultimately, do
: To some, it does. It leaves a lot of bad taste in people mouthes, especially around here in DEN and curiosity killed the cat, ya know.... People want
: If F9's tails disappear, then I see little branding left of F9. The Animals are a huge identifier to the eye, and it would be a total shame if it lef
: I agree with you. What I meant, was that for now, the duties Menke had that were not to be resumed by BB, are now taken over by Ian Arthur. I am not
: With this, I agree with and exactly what I was trying to say. The job titles do look very, very similar.
: Exactly. Just like United buying A350s to replace 747s, they are different, but they are both long-haul aircraft, and one can still be a replacement
: Without going there again, and trying to avoid any more controversy, it is rare for two over-achieving people, especially men, to coexist on the same
: I do not believe that SM has ever said why he was leaving, but he probably never will say why. And people still wonder what the real story is, or wha
: Would'nt it be something if down the line the thoughts of Rjet selling off the F9 buisness came to fruition, and the man standing there with the chec
: Why would BB be in the market to sell off F9 or YX Mainline op's when he just commited himself and his company to 40 a/c with options for 40 more. Th
: Why would BB be in the market to sell off F9 or YX Mainline op's when he just commited himself and his company to 40 a/c with options for 40 more. Th
: I'm not sure why people are so keen for him to lay out his plans, anymore than he has. The overview is in place, or as much as any airline. It's inte
: Does anyone here know who is going to snap up the L3 Q400's, with sources and links provided? April is only 2 weeks away.... Any buyers?
: 5 or 6 of them are leased from Wells Fargo I believe. Obviously, the bank will be taking those back, and getting them in the hands of anyone who will
: That is true, not the earlier ones, of course. The most newer ones are leased, I believe. This is a great opportunity for QX to snap some of them up
: QX won't touch them...unless someone wants to take their leased CRJ-700's on a one-for-one basis. QX is operating on a zero fleet growth mode in the
: If QX wants them, now is the time to get them. You snooze, you lose.
: This commitment might never materialize. This is not something that will by all means happen. What can be in those "cards"? What kind of competitive
: The question has been asked many a times, but why the rush??? Why not let the man sit back and create something great, opposed to rushing into someth
: Why do you seem to think the C-Series order will not happen. RAH seems pretty pleased with the deal they got. If they dont plan on taking the planes,
: Is April 13 not fast enough for you? That's when the announcement is to be made. Bedford said it would take until October to have the brand unified,
: It seems that QX has more planes than they want already. If the CR7's were on the way out, then yes they might be wanting to grab these props. Howeve
: Well, if you remember from the previous thread, Enilria seemed to have anecdotal evidence that the branding decision had already been made, but is be
: Maybe Porter in Canada will take them? Who knows..........
: This order would materialize not tomoroow, but several years from now. I do not think RAH branded operations will last that long. They are being assa
: ...ok...so you are simply hoping that the airline with the lowest costs will fail against the other two. got it. I suppose my only real response is t
: The seasonal Florida services from OKC and OMA are slated to end on April 19/20. There's been no announcement about this (that I have seen) but the bo
: That's you are simply hoping that I am hoping... I believe, I admitted that my prediction can turn out to be wrong. You are so sure that I am wrong?
: ...no I like to think I can though. You said you do not think RAH branded ops will last that long, I simply stated I thought you were wrong. I just s
: Our wonderful company sent a survey to all employees regarding the single branding of the operations. Which I find ridiculous as they don't listen to
: That was 100 people not on YX, and the erosion of pricing power on some of those routes doesn't help either. It certainly isn't DEN, though. -Dave
: Like most elections I suspect it is more of will he respond to the polling results of FF and or his employee groups or will will be toss out the publ
: IMO, I don't think you order a 136 pax aircraft for regional flying. So I think RAH branded ops will be around for a while.
: That's the "Who's gonna last longer" race (between RAH and WN/FL). Of course, there is overcapacity in DEN and MKE right now, and it would come as no
: The A320 situation is becoming quite interesting. According to the Republic Annual report for 2009, Frontier's original previous but revised order for
: I can confirm that. I just got mine today. (Or yesterday....) Well, regardless of if they listen to us or not, fill it out anyway and send it in. May
: Low costs - built on the back of fee-for departure agreements (limited costs to cover), low crew salary, etc. While I believe they will be able to ma
: You're not the only one. I have been hoping for, since day one of my employment with F9, to see an A321 in F9 colors!!! But you are right, sooner or
: F9/YX is more than DEN or MKE now. They will not live or die by those 2 hubs. RAH will diversify beyond the 2 traditional hubs. Your arguments are ba