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New Zealand Aviation Thread #74  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14498 times:
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Welcome to the 74th New Zealand Aviation Thread. In Thread #73 New Zealand Aviation Thread #73 (by 777ER Feb 21 2010 in Civil Aviation) , we learnt and discussed:

- JQ possible North American services from AKL
- NZs B733 seat count
- Possible further North American destinations for NZ
- QF summer changes - remove all B763s from NZL ops with A330s and B738s
- LAX connections
- Pacific Blue's possible expansions
- PPQs new terminal construction starting next month
- NZ Airpoints Silver members now get access to NZ Link Fast Drop bag

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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14404 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Pacific Blue's possible expansions

They take delivery of ZK-PBL ex Virgin Blue VH-VUQ on 27th March.

NZ1


User currently offlinedj738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14206 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 1):

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Pacific Blue's possible expansions

They take delivery of ZK-PBL ex Virgin Blue VH-VUQ on 27th March.

Which was originally PBL anyway, and has just been on loan to VB for the last few months...


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14116 times:

Apparently Virgin is undertaking a fairly large pilot recruitment drive for its 737 fleet. Wouldn't be surprised if they announce a new fleet purchase when Borghetti takes over. I just hope they get the -900ERs - they need them!!

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14095 times:

Hi guys

Dose anyone know the rego of the NZ A320 that was diverted from WLG to AKL from on Saturday night due to faulty landing gear ?

I believe the flight number NZ 144.

I think I may have flown over to SYD fro AKL on this plane earlier in the day.

Thanks for your help in advance.



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14094 times:

Talking about WLG-MEL as 'premium traffic" - todays paper has lots of Trans Tasman specials, ex CHC, and I note that fares to MEL start about $30 lower than fares to SYD or Queensland, so out of CHC, they have to work a bit harder to attract people onto flights to MEL. A Travel Agent in Dunedin said that MEL is usually the slower seller out of this city, and when we have direct flights out of DUD during the summer, MEL is only a once weekly flight.

If WLG-MEL is premium traffic that suggests it is mostly NZ Government travellers going over for meetings, and they sit at the front end of the plane. Melbourne has special events and it may be Australia's most liveable city, but it seems to be struggling to attract Kiwis there for a leisure visit. (Doesn't have much luck getting the Japanese either).

Attracting Australian tourists from Melbourne, is perhaps a bit easier for CHC, because Australians are used to flying into one Island and flying home from the other. If Australians could be persuaded to treat the two Islands as two different holdiays, perhaps some of them would fly into Wellington.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14067 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 5):
If WLG-MEL is premium traffic that suggests it is mostly NZ Government travellers going over for meetings, and they sit at the front end of the plane. Melbourne has special events and it may be Australia's most liveable city, but it seems to be struggling to attract Kiwis there for a leisure visit. (Doesn't have much luck getting the Japanese either).

I suspect the issue with Wellington is the lack of competition on the MEL route. Perhaps there is a bit of Government traffic (though obviously not enough to warrant enough flights to enable a day's business in MEL), probably given the difficulty of transferring in Sydney to get to Canberra, but it's easy to overestimate government-related traffic. Interesting though that they have these flights starting at $209 when just a few days ago I get an email advertising for a minimum $80 more. Perhaps they're for different travel periods... or maybe the first promotion flopped. You get a comp lounge access too - pretty good deal now.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14010 times:

The promo for ex CHC show MEL starting at $119 and that includes lounge access as well.

Yes, they are competing against DJ and JQ fares out of CHC. I think JQ would leave WLG alone for Trans Tasman, while QF is still doing Trans Tasman. Would you expect DJ to start with (say) three times weekly on WLG-MEL? If they do want to get some business travel out of MEL, question might be whether they would overnight the plane in WLG to give passengers a good days business in MEL. IF the plane flies CHC-MEL-WLG-MEL-CHC, you would not expect so much business traffic.

Remembering the recent interview by Brett Godfrey in Australian Aviation, he said that the Embraers might start doing Trans Tasman once they have done EROPS qualification. Numbers of seats in the plane might transform the economics of the route for AirNZ as well.


User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14002 times:



Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 4):

Dose anyone know the rego of the NZ A320 that was diverted from WLG to AKL from on Saturday night due to faulty landing gear ?

I believe the flight number NZ 144.

I think I may have flown over to SYD fro AKL on this plane earlier in the day.

If it was NZ144 on Sat night, then it appears to be ZK-OJO which later operated AKL-BNE yesterday.

ZK-OJO operated CHC-SYD-ZQN-SYD-WLG(AKL) on Saturday...

[Edited 2010-03-14 18:52:29]

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 13967 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 8):
If it was NZ144 on Sat night, then it appears to be ZK-OJO which later operated AKL-BNE yesterday.

ZK-OJO operated CHC-SYD-ZQN-SYD-WLG(AKL) on Saturday...

Thank you for that,

I think I flew on ZK-OJI arriving SYD at 14.30 from AKL on Saturday so its not the same plane then.

Cheers



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User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13878 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 6):
Perhaps there is a bit of Government traffic (though obviously not enough to warrant enough flights to enable a day's business in MEL), probably given the difficulty of transferring in Sydney to get to Canberra, but it's easy to overestimate government-related traffic.

Agreed. Inspite of a a large number of Wellington based entities heading to Auckland (or further afield) there is still a reasonable corporate presence in Wellington (granted some with only "back office functions" such as the trading floors at the BNZ and Westpac). There are also strong business links between Melbourne and Wellington in finance and IT in particular.

Melbourne, like Sydney, is a market that demands a premium service (even JQ's Buchanan admitted as much) and at a guess numbers support a daily service by both QF and NZ and that's about it (with sustainable yield). I wonder if DJ might simply make life difficult for NZ if they entered the market (DJ also has the advantage of good onwards options from MEL).

QF carry a lot of transhippers on this route (for exapmle many CX itinerary's are routed to HKG via MEL), and it can be difficult getting last minute seats at anything under $500. But then QF is the clear leader on both MEL and SYD ex WLG (even with a dated product).



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13872 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 10):
But then QF is the clear leader on both MEL and SYD ex WLG (even with a dated product).

They hold most contracts for New Zealand government international travel, so it's not surprising. IF DJ do enter, I wonder if it would be NZ that suffers the most.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13801 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 3):

PacBlue is also recruiting FAs and taking expressions of interest for pilots, both AKL based


User currently offlinedj738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13767 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
PacBlue is also recruiting FAs and taking expressions of interest for pilots, both AKL based

This is nothing new. PacificBlue have been recruiting and training cabin crew for CHC and AKL base since late last year. Many new trainee cabin crew have just completed training school in the last month or so.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13695 times:
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Quoting dj738 (Reply 2):
Which was originally PBL anyway, and has just been on loan to VB for the last few months...

Its been on loan for nearly 15 months after arriving direct to CHC from Boeing. It didn't spend long with PB before becoming VH-VUQ with VB.

NZ1


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13419 times:

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the EK A380 that broke down in AKL.
AFAIK it had a brake hydraulics problem on Sunday, was still stuck in AKL on Monday and its passengers were being sent on other EK flights (if going to DXB) or on QF and NZ etc if going to SYD.



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13332 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):
the EK A380 that broke down in AKL.
AFAIK it had a brake hydraulics problem on Sunday, was still stuck in AKL

Why would anyone be bothered about EK breaking down at AKL? We have a perfectly good EK service out of CHC. People in Wellington know they are better off flying down to CHC to catch EK. (On some EK fares out of CHC, we are able to join the A380 at SYD.) The EK A380 will look good at CHC for the Rugby World Cup.


User currently offlineWorkFlyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13327 times:

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the EK A380 that broke down in AKL.
AFAIK it had a brake hydraulics problem on Sunday, was still stuck in AKL on Monday and its passengers were being sent on other EK flights (if going to DXB) or on QF and NZ etc if going to SYD[/quote]

That explains why I saw it taking off yesterday lunchtime at about 1PM. Good sight to see as I normally only see it land not take off.

Just a thought though. Did it fly empty to Sydney? (apart from freight) and if it did, why did it take forever to climb? seemed to fly for a good few minutes before the nose was lifted into what appeared to be a normal climb angle.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13229 times:

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 17):
That explains why I saw it taking off yesterday lunchtime at about 1PM. Good sight to see as I normally only see it land not take off.

Just a thought though. Did it fly empty to Sydney? (apart from freight) and if it did, why did it take forever to climb? seemed to fly for a good few minutes before the nose was lifted into what appeared to be a normal climb angle.

Well 2 days worth of pax... the 1st lot were put on other flights presumably.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 13186 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the EK A380 that broke down in AKL.

Those EK A380s go tech/are delayed so often that it's hardly news.. But if the passengers weren't transferred onto different services, you'd find yourself with news similar to when AR's A342 blew an engine.



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 13084 times:

In a quote which I think is in another thread, I thought Tim Clark said the despatch rate on EK A380s is in the low 90s. This would be a bit less than SQ and QF are achieving, is it not?

Would a loss of 10% be equivalent to losing 10% of the year, that is there is a substantial delay for a mechanical reason on 36 days? That seems like a lot of delays. I take it a delay is something longer than 15 minutes. How many serious issues with an A380 can be resolved at AKL? Are there commonly used spare parts at AKL? Could they change an engine there?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13008 times:
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Air NZ will increase capacity by 36% during the WRC with the 171 seat A320s and by extending the lease of one B733

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...0/Air-New-Zealand-to-lift-capacity


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12939 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 16):
Why would anyone be bothered about EK breaking down at AKL?

Probably because it was an A380.

I noticed in the last thread talks about possible new airlines commencing service to AKL before the RWC. My take as I think others pointed out is that the likes of BA and AF could do a couple of charters possibly, but other than that I wouldn't exspect anything other than the usual Asian carriers increasing capacity. BI could go daily for the period, CX could add the 744 and increase the second flight 2 months earlier than usual, MH maybe 744s, TG 773s, SQ possibly A380s otherwise a few additional flights with 772s, KE don't get a huge amount of connecting traffic from Europe but they could use a 744. NZ by then will have the new product on both LHR flights via LAX with the 77W and HKG with a 772, I could see HKG maybe getting 744s for a few weeks.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 12889 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
extending the lease of one B733

I wonder how long will this lease be extended for and which aircraft is this?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 12874 times:
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Quoting cchan (Reply 23):
I wonder how long will this lease be extended for and which aircraft is this?

The lease is to be extended on ZK-SJE for approx 8 months.

NZ1


25 axio : Are we likely to see jets used to bulk up the provincial routes when they have games on?
26 NZ107 : Well they'd have to be certified to take jets, let alone installing security equipment in places like NPE, PMR, NSN, IVC.. So I don't necessarily see
27 cchan : Thanks for the info. Any idea how many new 320 would be delivered by that time? Doesn't PMR already have security equipment, have they been removed s
28 jasewgtn : What happens when 737's divert to IVC ex ZQN due wx? Does that mean they can only deplane pax, and not uplift so the flight goes back to CHC to AKL e
29 NZ107 : Doesn't happen much more nowadays (due to RNP in both JQ's fleet and NZ's, not sure about DJ). But when JQ's A320s were diverted, they sent them to D
30 NZ6 : I was wondering this myself - I've not heard anything but might do some digging over the coming weeks. Places like PMR, NSN, NPE and IVC can take jet
31 Post contains links axio : Last I checked PMR still has security screening equipment and qualified staff. This is maintained to allow the airport to act as a back-up for WLG whe
32 DavidByrne : Are BI not already daily? Don't know about recently, but a few years ago I made a couple of trips to Europe on KE, and there were a lot of through tr
33 gemuser : They don't??? They certainly do to Oz, I would have thought it similar to NZ. In fact they have so much connection traffic from Europe (& parts o
34 NZ107 : Nothing wrong with diverting to DUD though, to be honest. Maybe he means direct from BWN daily which is likely to bring a lot of the low budget trave
35 DavidByrne : I think you're still avoiding my question! Irrespective of the merits of DUD (which is a LOT further from ZQN than IVC, by the way) we know that jets
36 alangirvan : Is Jetstar now fully operational with RNP? I think DJ is using GPS into ZQN. It will be interesting to see the completion rates for JQ and DJ into ZQ
37 NZ107 : I haven't been in such a position to answer that. But my experience (ie family members flying to and from ZQN) suggests otherwise about departing IVC
38 NZ1 : No we are not. Though there is a good chance that we will see Q300 fly on B1900 routes and ATR's on Q300 routes. More likely to see bigger aircraft u
39 777ER : KeriKeri (KKE) is closed due to a large scrub fire, with the terminal building at threat. One NZ flight has been diverted. SOURCE: One News
40 777ER : I wouldn't be surprised to see B763s into WLG also especially during the All Blacks, South Africa and France games Flights can land, but due to no AV
41 Unclekoru : The trial flights for the certification process are meant to have began this week. Will take a few months to compete but should be ready in time for
42 MillwallSean : No they are not, since they started nonstops only they are down to 5 times a week. Dont overestimate the pulling power of the rugby world cup. Its hu
43 koruman : In NZ we have an enormously distorted view of the significance of rugby. When the African Nations Cup soccer final wa splayed in late January there w
44 Kaiarahi : Your answer was here:
45 NZ6 : The other option for a ZQN bound aircraft that goes into IVC is to bus the pax to ZQN and do a 'positioning flight' to get the aircraft out of IVC bu
46 NZ6 : By the way there will be an nnouncement today. I will publish more later in the day when I can.
47 aerokiwi : Indeed - any long-term investment decision based on one-off sporting events is seriously flawed, in my opinion (this goes for ANY sport). Even moreso
48 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ to transform its Tasman and Pacific Island services Flyertalk - New Australia Pacific Island Structure This includes price cutting, taking busi
49 NZ6 : Best part is we can not compete on cost and price with DJ and JQ for those lead in fares yet still offer the normal NZ service or more if required.
50 777ER : Clear example of NZ moving further down the LCC expressway. Why pay for Koru Club when you can purchase it as part of your airfare? Excellent way of
51 TheCommodore : We just traveled to the Cook Islands in business last week there and back. A320 SYD/AKL was full. B772 AKL/RAR, only I spare seat. B772 RAR/AKL, 6 sp
52 NZ6 : 1. You might save more joining Koru depending on the fare purchased. 2. Koru gives you access to Domestic and other international lounges operated by
53 kiwiandrew : If you dont mind my being nosy can I ask were you travelling in paid business class or on upgrades/redemptions ? I am curious because one of the arti
54 Post contains links TheCommodore : Not at all, We paid full freight. It was for our 20th anniversary so hell with the expense. But well worth it! Here are some links to Youtube videos
55 kiwiandrew : Good for you - and thanks for indulging my inquisitive ( ie , nosy ) streak . Glad to hear it .
56 TheCommodore : Just edited my previous post to include links to a couple of the Youtube videos I've made. I have a Trip report almost ready to go and will upload th
57 NZ1 : Not quite. The new fleet of A320's will also have 171 eats, but the interior config will be different. The current fleet will be "modded" for domesti
58 alangirvan : The Yield Management is - how many seats do you have at each level? The lead in fare is only about looking the cheapest fare in the market. How many
59 NZ107 : In a way that sounds absurd, unless the compliance costs of ETOPS are high and not worth keeping. Even so, it would have been wise to keep at least 2
60 NZdsgnr : the new TT sounds so disappointing
61 ANstar : SO NZ is moving to the DJ/JQ model of seat +++ You can still get the NZ service you have today - you just won;t get it on the cheapest airfares... ie
62 Post contains images axio : It sounds like Freedom Air - maybe Palmy will get its flights back NZ does seem to to-and-fro on what to do with business travellers. For instance, t
63 Kaiarahi : Out of CHC and WLG, not AKL. Big difference - AKL-SYD 3.5 hours; FRA-IAD 9 hours.
64 777ER : So won't any domestic A320s operate IUE services? Wonder if the same reaction will happen when NZ downgraded the Tasman services several years ago to
65 NZ1 : Yes At this stage no. IFE will be removed when the aicraft are re-configured. Yes No NZ1
66 TN486 : My initial thoughts after reading the content of the announcements that here is an airline that is trying to be everything to all and I honestly cann
67 ANstar : JQ seem to be able to cope ok on their international flights with people that - buy a seat only - buy a seat and a bag only - buy a seat and a bag an
68 NZ6 : This is good to hear and long haul loads over the next month are looking very good but the tasman is overall are very poor with regards to loads, one
69 ZKEYE : "The Works?" "The Works Deluxe?" It almost seems to me that they are embracing a cheap and nasty image. Not at all fitting with the Air New Zealand br
70 Post contains images HLZCPH : True, however I think that many will be able to relate to it easier, especially the KFC customers With the loadings to RAR as stated the A321 might n
71 Post contains links Kaiarahi : Hah!! They stole it from Canada's best gourmet burger joints in YOW http://www.worksburger.com/ Check out the menu and weep for Burgerfuel http://www
72 Zkpilot : They have a larger menu, but apart from that I don't see anything that Burgerfuel should be weeping over... I see Boeing is looking at extending the
73 DavidByrne : Well, actually, that doesn't sound so bad. Effectively, it's a 70% load factor, and if that's a "bad" day, then I know many airlines would be very en
74 NZ6 : You right on the money here. This is just why they did it - so people can relate to it. Studies done prove that it should be accepted by most. Time w
75 Post contains images TheCommodore : That's a shame as I don't see Air NZ as a cheap and nasty product, although it seems they are heading in that direction Shouldn't matter to much what
76 NZ6 : You are right but 72.5% of the Tasman is leisure and with the saying '80% in your income is from 20% of your customers' (being high value and return
77 mariner : If that is what the public wants, why not give it to 'em? We're embracing things American more and more - these days we call women "you guys" - which
78 cchan : Even in South Africa, soccer is more popular than rugby. Most rugby fans are whites which are the minority of the population. It is probably fair to
79 Kaiarahi : How about wine and a good selection of micro-brewery beers. BTW, the elk is raised just west of YOW by an expat k1w1.
80 TheCommodore : I suppose so, just seems a shame to follow the lowest common denominator all the time, but as you say if that's what works then hell do it. In a perf
81 mariner : In a perfect world I agree with you. But then I'm a bit of a Luddite - a curse on Low Fares. LOL. The competitive situation has changed so radically,
82 NZ6 : They are givingh the consumer the choice, the works is what they get now, those prices should be about the same. For them it is not changing. But Air
83 TheCommodore : I thought from my understanding of reading other post in the thread that Air NZ was offering up to 5 different pricing classes on any given flight be
84 aerokiwi : All seems a bit contradictory, given the recent high profile "nothing to hide" marketing campaign, whereby there were no add-ons. Can we take from th
85 Knid : So, at least to my mind, Air NZ has degraded their standard service, and is now asking you to pay extra if you want some additional services. How is
86 zkojh : so this is the big news that will change the game accross the ditch!!
87 DavidByrne : Hmmm, yes, they are getting rid of business class, and there are more seats going into the planes, granted. But rather than view it in the "half empt
88 HLZCPH : I reckon it will be a bit tough on the cabin crew, the administration of what service level each pax has opted for and how that is delivered.
89 Post contains images TN486 : They can, but I dont think they should do it with the current brand, what they propose will be extremely successful if they create an LCC, and market
90 cchan : Looks like it. There is usually not much else happening in that part of the world...the rest of this thread or even the next will be full of discussi
91 TheCommodore : How much is going on in the aviation world of South Africa ?
92 NZ6 : Yes they are, offering the 'Works Deluxe' instead. Which is in some ways better, premium checkin, lounge access and room with the no neighbour garent
93 alangirvan : JQ and DJ offer you the choice of seat only or seat with checked bag. JQ offers ability to prepay meals plus drink and entertainment on their flights
94 NZ107 : In what way is it better? No J meal if you fly on the A320 and so what if you get a guarantee that the seat next to you is empty. When flying with, s
95 alangirvan : If you are paying to have no one beside you, it is almost the same as the cuddle class seats in the 77Ws where two people pay for the space occupied b
96 koruman : I'm disappointed by the short-haul changes, which I believe repeat many of the errors of the original "Express" model. There are two inherent problems
97 ANstar : I agree - but perhaps they are seeing less of these now with DL/VA in the mix? Good news for VA, but I wonder how long NZ will be able to keep up the
98 NZ107 : Even so, it doesn't make sense to be using Economy and one extra seat as a J replacement for those flying in from North America and continuing onto A
99 koruman : There is a problem with just having full service on one daily widebody to BNE/MEL/SYD. It works fine for long-haul passengers connecting at AKL to/fro
100 Kaiarahi : This is exactly what you get in J on LH (and other non LCC carriers') flights within Europe. It has the advantage for the carrier of a totally flexib
101 NZ107 : But - you deserve J service all the way to your final destination. There's no way that they can possibly dedicate FAs to the Works+ passengers as the
102 Kaiarahi : "Deserve" doesn't come into it. I know what I'm buying, and I choose to buy it or not. In this case, it's almost identical to J in Europe, and still
103 aerokiwi : How is it any different? Presumably when you go to the website you will be paying the base airfare and then having to select the "addons", just like
104 Kaiarahi : But how long are you going to fly around with unrealized "possibilities", at least out of CHC/WLG. That's like a car dealer carrying the cost of main
105 koruman : So use 170 seat all-economy domestic A320s on CHC, WLG and OOL services, and leave the Auckland ones unchanged.
106 Zkpilot : Overall a good decision for the Tasman. I am however disappointed by the lack of J seats... I would have preferred there to have been at least 1 row o
107 aerokiwi : Addressed by...
108 Kaiarahi : Not really - first you'd have to install ETOPS capability on the domestic A320s - $$$. And it would also mean no IFE on CHC/WLG flights - leaving NZ
109 aerokiwi : My understanding is that they are removing these features from the current aircraft, which will eventually move to domestic as the new A320s arrive.
110 Kaiarahi : And I'd again note that it works throughout Europe and has enabled LH to hold/enhance yields even in the face of voracious LCCs. But encourages your
111 TravellerPlus : "Works Deluxe" is a way of circumventing the "no buisness class" travel policies of many organisations. These are the ones who book the big seats. It
112 NZ6 : Yes they are, offering the 'Works Deluxe' instead. Which is in some ways better, premium checkin, lounge access and room with the no neighbour garent
113 ANstar : The same as DJ/JQ. They don't hide the fact that yu buy a fare and then purchase add ons as required ie food, seat etc.
114 Unclekoru : Which is a point that shouldn't be underestimated. Air NZ have positioned their product well over the last few years, with good results (esp on domes
115 Post contains links gasman : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Japan...d=4360a1ff7ece7b710987f99a83cc1332 Had to laugh at this one. A 777 in a 3-3-3 config being described as "super
116 Post contains images aerokiwi : You don't. But that's my point. NZ is now doing exactly what DJ and JQ have been doing, after slagging them off for it. As ANstar points out... A las
117 Knid : It would seem like that is the case these days, however if as NZ6 seems to indicate the yields are the defining motivation behind this change, Air NZ
118 PA515 : An A320 with 171 saleable seats requires four F/A's instead of three to the present 150 saleable seats. So an increase of 21 seats and an extra F/A.
119 aerorobNZ : In fact most 320 flights operate with 4 crew already, so it's just an increase of 21 seats without requiring an 'extra' crew.
120 ANstar : Actually the aircraft have 152 seats currently - 144 in Y and 8 in J. This is 152 seats and requires 4 flight attendants. So they are increasing thei
121 koruman : I'm entitled through my employers to Business Class travel from Australia to New Zealand, the USA and UK. I don't want European-style service, becaus
122 gasman : I'm with you Koruman, I actually quite appreciate the J class product trans-tasman. But I guess Air NZ would not be so dumb to remove a product that
123 Post contains images sunrisevalley : I have no needs from NZ on the TT. Mine are simple, Y+ on the 744's from LAX for about $us 2300 to 2500 for some part of the year. I would put up with
124 Post contains links NZdsgnr : Must be slow news day for the Sunday Star Time New manual rules the air for trolley dollies: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3481...-rules-the-air-for
125 Post contains images NZ6 : Well yes I would agree with this if it was for the AKLMEL AKLSYD and AKLBNE services that connected from NZ1/5/83/7 only. On one hand 72.5% if the ta
126 aerokiwi : True, but (and correct me if I'm wrong), I'm fairly certain there's a QR rail connection that takes you straight to BNE airport from the Coast. For p
127 aerorobNZ : From what I've heard from people at work they aren't overly convinced by the change. We'll see though I guess.
128 NZ1 : This is true if all 152 seats are sold. Quite often a flight will be restricted to 150 seats, so it can operate with 3 crew. Happens a lot when the A
129 ZKEOJ : Kia Ora I have a question for the NZ guys: NZ is currently (until the 22nd) offering the trans tasman flights with Koru Club access. Now, their wordin
130 NZ107 : I'm not from NZ but from reading the T&Cs, I deduct: you purchase a ticket by the 22nd of March and you get lounge access at the departing airpor
131 NZ6 : So he would take this then travel ex BNE if it was that important to him. So your point is if you use the Queensland Rail to get up to BNE you then m
132 DavidByrne : Maybe I missed this in earlier posts, but the QF A330 has now been confirmed in use on the Tasman from 5 July. The AKL-LAX route will become all A330
133 gasman : Which will add 25 minutes onto a flight that is already 12 hours long. So I will be flying Air NZ between AKL-LAX until they go all 77W, at which tim
134 jasewgtn : Quick question re: trans-tasman services now, which product do you get if you book it as part of a round the world journey? ie in Feb I hope to book a
135 Post contains links 777ER : International and domestic numbers at AKL are up compared to the same month last year mostly thanks to JQ changes - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/in
136 ZKEOJ : Thanks, guys! Yup, I thought so, and just found the wording a bit ambiguous. But when I printed my e-ticket there was a box at the bottom, clearly st
137 Knid : I never said it was a bad thing to chase different segments of the market, just that its easy to lose sight of where you actually want to go, especia
138 NZ107 : How about neither? That's my prediction. There'll still be that split between LH and SH travel - the long haul IMO will remain premium orientated and
139 gasman : I agree. An airline's defining public image is important, and no one brand can be all things to all people. Qantas I think has gone down this route t
140 Kaiarahi : What's being offered across the Tasman is exactly what LH (and many Eurpean carriers) provide in J. Does anyone seriously think of LH as an LCC?
141 NZ107 : LH in this case meant long haul.
142 Kaiarahi : I realize that. My point is that what NZ is offering at the top end of its trans-Tasman service is the same as J on most non-LCC European carriers. I
143 koruman : No, not at all. I tried that and it was a disaster. It is a slow or ultra-slow suburban train, taking between 1.5 and 2 hours to get to BNE. If you w
144 aerokiwi : What's with the comparison to LH? Of all airlines, why LH? Is it simply personal experience? I've flown LH shorthaul in economy 6 times, J twice (onc
145 NZ107 : Exactly. Why is there always this comparison with LH? This is New Zealand we're talking about, not Europe and definitely not North America. It doesn'
146 Kaiarahi : Maybe because the effect on CASM of flying around with empty J seats is the same in NZ as it is anywhere else - NZ is not immune from airline economi
147 NZ6 : Did the domestic network suffer from this when J class was removed? Beseides Air NZ is not a LCC, LCC's do things like: * Advertising on the over hea
148 ANstar : I will only comment on our local LCC's who are NZ's competitors Neither JQ/DJ do this Neither JQ/DJ do this Neither JQ/DJ do this DJ do not charge for
149 Post contains images NZ6 : We will but it does not make NZ a LCC which really was my point. But thanks for repling.
150 alangirvan : No, AirNZ is not a LCC - but it has adopted LCC methods of selling seats, and advertising a basic lead in fare. Perhas rather than comparing AirNZ wi
151 NZ6 : Also Tiger and Air Asia which operate in Australia and one day NZ I would imagine.
152 aerokiwi : I thought I explained that already. It was last ditch because NZ is now doing exactly what it accused local LCCs of doing - selling tickets that don'
153 NZ6 : I never said it wasn't. I'll narrow it down further for you. "Last Ditch". No they are not. NZ's domestic campaign was around your total price includ
154 Post contains images aerokiwi : Last ditch - last effort before conceding defeat and adopting exactly what your competitors do. Haha! I never expected my prediction... ... to come t
155 767er : Aren't they being retired next year anyway?
156 NZ6 : Tasman and Domestic, go get a map and figure out the difference. Well given the inside information I have I think my facts (yet to be shared) are sli
157 Post contains links and images NZ107 : You're factually wrong to the extent that there's no point in even debating such an issue. Tiger is in a completely different ball game to what JQ/DJ
158 aerokiwi : A New Zealander (or someone in New Zealand) sees a comemrcial for Air NZ stating that it doesn't hide the costs whereas its LCC competitors do - hmmm
159 aerorobNZ : lets look at a schedule to SYD. Out of Auckland it won't be that big a deal -there's two daily 763 flights... NZ101 0700 daily 763. Always business tr
160 777ER : What date is the last B744 service and are you talking about NZ or QF?
161 Post contains images TN486 : Bingo I have a very high regard for this thread, and those who post on it, but really NZ6, sometimes.........................however, one cannot deny
162 Post contains links 777ER : Very surprised no one has posted this yet Air NZ's Altitude business wins its first major order worth $35m to fit out a Boeing BBJ. The aircraft will
163 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ have set up a facebook page dedicated to their new skicouch, which also has a competition to win a 'spooning' weekend away http://www.facebook.
164 Post contains images kiwiandrew : "SKIcouch" ? Is that the winter version of the Skycouch ?
165 777ER : Oops my bad! Just seen PacBlue's award winning ad with the song that some people don't like on Tv and must admit I found myself tapping my fingers on
166 ANstar : Or perhaps they are more like DJ - a NWC So what fees are JQ/DJ hiding? They make it clear (as will NZ) that you can buy a seat, or a seat plus bag.
167 Post contains images NZ107 : It's been on for quite some time (although only seemingly recently reintroduced) that I'm surprised you didn't find it catchy earlier!
168 PA515 : When Air NZ replaces the 733 with the 320 between 2011 and 2016 will the minimum turnaround time for a 320 on domestic schedules be reduced from 40 mi
169 NZ107 : From what I have heard, there are/have been flights with an A320 used on the domestic run to see if they can do this. So we'll have to see when the s
170 777ER : I believe it was withdrawn previously because of copyright issues with the songs owners (Sony?), so it looks like PacBlue has reached an agreement wi
171 aerokiwi : That's a good point. NZ's "narrowbody" product, for lack of a better term, is edging ever closer to DJ's "NWC" style product. Is V Australia fairly c
172 Knid : In all honesty we are not creatures that are particularly good at making our arguments clear, and logical. But when you do argue you can't have it bo
173 DavidByrne : I'm finding the current debate about NZ's new Tas/Pac offering more than a little sterile. On the one hand some are claiming the long haul connection
174 Post contains images sunrisevalley : A BIG David, thanks for saying what needed to be said ! Am I correct in having the impression that this thread was degenerating into a NZ/DJ/JQ staff
175 KiwiinOz : A whole year? That can't be right. Surely a custom fit-out would take less time than that
176 Post contains links NZ107 : Australian Super Hornets land in NZ More on the F/A 18s at AKL.. It would have been really interesting to listen to ATC at that time - "Runway 23L, li
177 aerokiwi : Most aviation-related discussion is this type of debate. You object now? I think a part of the debate is that Air NZ seems to have a confused strateg
178 alangirvan : No, people do not think Air New Zealand is the worst airline in the world - you should try some of the other national threads on this forum. But, the
179 Post contains links NZ107 : Who said that the majority of us work in the airline industry? It sounds like there was one NZ staffer defending his company. Basically what was said
180 alangirvan : And of course, we hope that the food on board Air New Zealand Trans Tasman flights will be sourced from New Zealand. News today and yesterday that the
181 DavidByrne : My point is that focusing on what the airline may or may not have said in its advertising is a sterile discussion. The point is that yesterday's adve
182 DavidByrne : Actually, I do follow the Australian threads quite closely, and I think that while TT does get bashed a bit, the bashing that NZ gets on this thread
183 NZ107 : I think there's a difference. NZ's First Class seemed to dwindle into extinction whereas this catchy ad with nothing to hide is likely to still be fr
184 DavidByrne : Actually, I think that NZ still has nothing to hide even with the new offerings. They're quite upfront about the options available, and you can choos
185 ZK-NBT : If you mean across the Tasman for NZ I can't see anything scheduled after April 3rd! I'd expect a few maybe in the July School Holidays. For QF they
186 koruman : Oh yes it does. From my local airport we have Virgin Blue, which has a Premium Economy offering. We have Jetstar International, which has Star Class
187 MotorHussy : I was sounded out about this quite some time ago and recommended that they adopt a 5-abreast economy plus product for the front of the cabin, the com
188 jasewgtn : Looking at some of the threads re: AirNZ's revamp trans-tassie, do you not think AirNZ did some research before making the decision to do the new "far
189 ANstar : Not at all - I think one morning the CEO woke up and went ... hmmm lets try this. OF COURSE they would have done research.
190 Post contains images NZ6 : Of course they did. This has been on the cards for some time. It wasn't 'a weekend at Rob's' that brought this about Well let's wait and see, i stand
191 28L28L : Does anyone know the approximate time frame that Canadian Airlines (or Air Canada) terminated operations at AKL? Cheers.
192 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Which time ? Way back when I was young IIRC CP had a fortnightly flight to AKL - my memory is a bit hazy as I was only 4 or 5 years old at the time b
193 Post contains links aerorobNZ : target="_blank">28L28L (Reply 191):Does anyone know the approximate time frame that Canadian Airlines (or Air Canada) terminated operations at AKL?
194 DavidByrne : My memory is a bit hazy on this, too, but I think that at one stage CP was operating 2x weekly to AKL via HNL, while NZ was operating 2 x weekly to Y
195 kiwiandrew : Was it due to maintenance ? I thought it was because QF needed extra capacity because of the AN collapse . I seem to recall around 3 wetleased AC 763
196 kiwiandrew : At the point in 1988 when I first went to Canada with CP they were operating a twice weekly YYZ-AKL service with DC-10s - once per week via HNL and o
197 gemuser : It was due to the Ansett collapse, belive me! QF scrambled to find suitable aircraft and operators with the spare capacity. I flew AC B763 C-GLCA on
198 Kaiarahi : Sounds about right to me. I flew YYZ-HNL-AKL on a CP 74? (with the ugly orange/brown tail) at Christmas 1995, and I believe they stopped shortly afte
199 jasewgtn : CP stopped flying to New Zealand in 1965 apparently because Whenuapai/NZWP closed itself to commercial traffic? Any one know if this is true..... They
200 Post contains images kiwiandrew : For some reason I have 1968 in my head - there was a book written many years ago about New Zealand aviation ( mid '70s ? ) , probably out of print ,
201 28L28L : Going through the CP timetables that were listed in the CP Air map thread on this site I found that CP discontinued AKL in 1970 and re-entered on 1 No
202 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Doh! Why didn't I think of that - thanks very much . ( Even though you have proved me wrong by about 2 years )
203 kiwiandrew : For anyone who is interested I have done a bit of research and I am sure that the books I was referring to where " Flightpath South Pacific" and "Air
204 Post contains links gemuser : Amazon is your friend! http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...d-keywords=+Ian+Driscoll&x=11&y=22 Both are available second hand Gemuser
205 sunrisevalley : My wife and I travelled on the last southbound flight with CP metal. We arrived in AKL on Dec.4th 1998. Date taken from an old passport. For the retu
206 NZ1 : 12 months is quite correct. This isn't some quick cabin fitout. It is a full on design, manufacture, test, install project. Huge amount of regulation
207 cchan : Not much, but there is no SA Aviation thread. It will probably take about 10 years or so when everything you buy in a New Zealand supermarket will be
208 777ER : Was at WLG and BHE today and the rock at WLG is coming along very well, will post some pics in the next few days. The Skyhawks at BHE are certainly lo
209 Post contains links and images NZ107 : I went to WLG today as well. Aero club had a show on, rides in the Catalina etc. Interesting to point out that the rock has solar panels on the top i
210 777ER : What time did you arrive at WLG and what flight?
211 NZ107 : NZ421 (11am arrival), NZ450 (supposedly 1330 departure but delayed 45 min due to one 733 out of service) home. On the outward flight, David Morgan wa
212 NZ1 : There is another David Morgan. However, the David Morgan head of Flight Ops, is not qualified on the 733 as as far as I know. He is currently rated o
213 NZ107 : Oh wow. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he jumpseated as there were 3 pilots who were in the cockpit and another 4 onboard for repositioning.. So I think it wa
214 Unclekoru : He was on the 733 for a while (2006-2007 approx), but I thought he was back on the 777 fleet too. His PA's are very concise and professional.
215 Mr AirNZ : Flight Ops Manager David Morgan is currently flying in the around New Zealand Air Safari so very unlikely to have been him.
216 Aotearoa : Flight Ops Manager David Morgan is currently flying in the around New Zealand Air Safari so very unlikely to have been him.
217 Aotearoa : David Morgan is indeed a current B737 Captain. I believe this is his second stint on the 737 within the last few years. However I understand he may he
218 ZK-NBT : That sounds about right. I remember as a young fellow seeing those Bright Orange 742s and DC10s? Both came to AKL at some point? I think. CP or Canad
219 Post contains links alangirvan : http://www.flydirect.co.nz/ Report in todays Otago Daily Times of the launch of FlyDirect - a new service to fly people into Wanaka during the ski sea
220 Kaiarahi : Question regarding Y+ (I can't find the answer anywhere on the NZ website): I'm travelling YOW-LAX-AKL-BNE-AKL-YVR-YOW on a Y+ fare. Will the Y+ fare
221 Post contains links ManuCH : Please continue discussion here: New Zealand Aviation Thread #75 (by PA515 Mar 30 2010 in Civil Aviation) This thread will now be locked. Any addition
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