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Brazilian Aviation News # 4  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17443 times:
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Brazilian Aviation News 3

Brazilian Aviation News # 2


Please continue the discussion on Brazilian Aviation in this thread.


Rgds

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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17466 times:

Quoting SBGLexpat (Reply 250):
Couldn't agree more: no english spoken, very unprofessional/unprepared, awful look.

While one can certainly argue about 'being unprofessional' and 'awful look' I strongly disagree that there is a need for everybody to speak english.
Travelling to a foreign country I do not expect to hear my own language nor a language I've learned in school.

And certainly it would be nice to have quicker, more efficient border controls, but that applies to many other airports too (like LHR or JFK).


User currently offlineAAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17443 times:

The more important issue here is, if they don't understand English at least at a basic level, how will they be able to read the passport and exert a basic level of border control?

User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17413 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 1):
And certainly it would be nice to have quicker, more efficient border controls, but that applies to many other airports too (like LHR or JFK).

You are right, border control in basically all major gateways is slow and time consuming. It is not an isolated case of GRU or LHR. And even in airports such as AMS you can see that for local passport holders they just look at the cover page. It is not a failture of security in Brazil or elsewhere but has become a general trend.

Although as mentioned before, in all my recent arrivals in GRU they did scan and typed my passport details regardless of arrival time.

Quoting AAEXP (Reply 2):
The more important issue here is, if they don't understand English at least at a basic level

Correct, one would expect at least basic English knowledge to handle basic question and answer situation. My point about the outsourced agents remain, they do not look professional and certainly are not from the Federal Police ranks.

Just as a side note, TAM started three new domestic flights from GIG this weekend: GIG-GRU, GIG-POA and GIG-AJU all daily flights.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSBGLexpat From Brazil, joined Oct 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17376 times:

Quoting robffm2 (Reply 1):
Travelling to a foreign country I do not expect to hear my own language nor a language I've learned in school.

I don't either... at a foreign country; but I do expect to be able to communicate (especially to airport authorities) in some common international language at any major international airport; isn't english the language they use - besides the local one - at most signage posts at any airport worldwide?
As you stated, I do agree that not everybody needs to speak english, but some definitely need to (at least have a basic knowledge - as hardiwv said).
I do travel alot and have found that english is widely spoken by local airport authorities (representatives) in many countries where the native language is not english.
That's how I see the matter. Your opinion is taken but does not change my view of the current passport control people/procedures in Brazil.
BTW, I do speak portuguese...

Regards.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17347 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 3):
And even in airports such as AMS you can see that for local passport holders they just look at the cover page. It is not a failture of security in Brazil or elsewhere but has become a general trend.

I disagree Hardi. I do think it's a security issue.
It may be a general trend in Brazil and the EU but it is certainly not the case in the US or Australia. I have never been waved through immigration upon arrival in the US by showing the cover of my American passport. Ever. Not even as a working crewmember.
I work HA's SYD flights almost exclusively and travel there about once per week, and the Australian passport holders are all processed at the immigration counter just as the Americans are upon arrival in the US.

As for non English speakers at the arrivals hall in Brazil, it's not so much a problem for me as I speak enough Portuguese to communicate with them, but I do agree with the sentiment expressed here that there should be a common language spoken at all airports, much like the situation is in the air with pilots and air traffic controllers whom are all required to communicate in English. It just makes sense. I took a trip to Asia last fall and much to my surprise, the customs officers in both Bangkok and Beijing spoke to me in English.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineAAEXP From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17337 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
I do think it's a security issue.


HALFA, there is a widespread feeling in Brazil that no one would want to do anything against Brazil, so why care too much about homeland security. We are friends with everyone, right? "Lula Paz e Amor".... I mean, Lula's best friend is Chavez in Venezuela, he will soon visit his pal Ahmadinejad in Teheran and the only ones we really don't care for, like Cuban dissidents, can't really hurt us from prison......so life is good and we really don't need to worry about border control 

The truth is, if anyone wanted to get into Brazil, they could do that easily. One of the more cumbersome ways would be going through GRU immigration  


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17293 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
It may be a general trend in Brazil and the EU but it is certainly not the case in the US or Australia

I agree with you about US immigration and that they are very miticulous checking details of their nationals, but this is not the trend in Europe in general. Even with foreign issued passport sometimes they forget to stamp page of passport, and for EU nationals cover page checking is the normal procedure, you just basically walk through immigration with open page of passport. Which system is more reliable or sound is not for me to judge, but we have seen major failures in both.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
It just makes sense. I took a trip to Asia last fall and much to my surprise, the customs officers in both Bangkok and Beijing spoke to me in English.

This is a case by case situation, and will largely depend on agent. In AMS you probably will get border control officers speaking Portuguese or any other language you can imagie   In CDG you will need to speak French, full stop  

Rgs,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17281 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 3):
GIG-AJU

No, it's GIG-JPA.

LipeGIG already mentioned that information before:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
The new tier is being tested with a small number of customers. I believe will become public in 30 to 45 days.

The fact that they will launch more operations out of the three airports you mentioned, is already under way. This week GIG got 3 more domestic services to POA, JPA and GRU. Next month is expected to get two more domestic services as well as the potential launch of the new route to Europe a few days before the investor relations meeting of 4Q 2009.

G3 is the one requesting an additional GIG-AJU service.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17249 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
LipeGIG already mentioned that information before:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
No, it's GIG-JPA.

Indeed, it is GIG-JPA...my confusion, I always link AJU with GIG because of oil.

JPA is growing very fast, it handles about the same number of pax as NVT, both showing strong traffic growth. JPA will even get its own European charter, AMS-JPA B767 by Arke Fly.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 8):
LipeGIG already mentioned that information before:
Quoting hardiwv (Reply 3):
TAM started three new domestic flights from GIG this weekend: GIG-GRU, GIG-POA and GIG-AJU all daily flights.

I know, I just added that the service started this weekend, this was not informed before, more precisely, the new routes started on Friday, 12 March.

Rgs,


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17225 times:

And DL is back on LAX-GRU 2 weekly, just got the info from Flyertalk:

LAX-GRU
03MAY10 – 09MAY10 Day 15
26JUL10 – 01AUG10 Day 24
11OCT10 – 17OCT10 Day 13

DL195 LAX1530 – 0755+1GRU 767
DL194 GRU2220 – 0710+1LAX 767

Clearly seems DL has itw own strategy to hold on to its frequencies, and in Summer JFK-GRU will be boosted to daily.

Rgs,

[Edited 2010-03-14 13:32:06]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17200 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 10):
Clearly seems DL has itw own strategy to hold on to its frequencies

That's pretty funny if you ask me.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17188 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 10):
And DL is back on LAX-GRU 2 weekly, just got the info from Flyertalk:

LAX-GRU
03MAY10 – 09MAY10 Day 15
26JUL10 – 01AUG10 Day 24
11OCT10 – 17OCT10 Day 13

DL195 LAX1530 – 0755+1GRU 767
DL194 GRU2220 – 0710+1LAX 767

Are you saying that DL will only operate this flight for one week in May, one week in late July, and one week in October, for a total of 6 flights? That is very strange! I can't imagine they would be able to attract any passengers to these flights if it were for such a limited time.

I flew on this flight a few weeks ago and the load was pretty good.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17180 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
Are you saying that DL will only operate this flight for one week in May, one week in late July, and one week in October, for a total of 6 flights?

Correct. This is the way DL found to hold on to its frequencies. Very strange indeed and not good for DL marketing!

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
I flew on this flight a few weeks ago and the load was pretty good.

Good to get your feedback. Currently the poorest peforming flight US-Brazil is US GIG-CLT which shows 30% load (Flyertalk source).

Rgs,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17174 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
That is very strange! I can't imagine they would be able to attract any passengers to these flights if it were for such a limited time.

I think they are going for the eventual passenger, maybe you can try to take a ride again. They need to fly these additional frequencies in order to stall until the end of the upcoming 2010 US-Brazil combination frequency proceeding. I'm sure that DL will try to reallocate these frequencies once the proceeding is finalised and such a request no longer can serve as an argument against DL.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17158 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
Good to get your feedback. Currently the poorest peforming flight US-Brazil is US GIG-CLT which shows 30% load (Flyertalk source)

I'm shocked that you trust a Flyertalk user who registered on March 10th only to post this:

The loads on this flight have been very weak. Looking out for the Month of March, most days are under 30%LF. Not sure how long US will wait until they pull the plug- go now

Here's the link for the discussion going on there:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-ai...-fly-clt-gig-route-frequently.html

[Edited 2010-03-14 14:07:19]

User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17144 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
I'm shocked that you trust a Flyertalk user who registered on March 10th only to post this:

Added by the fact US is selling the cheapest business class seat between US and Brazil...USD2,500. This has equaly shocked me, especially with the current market rebound.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17125 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
Currently the poorest peforming flight US-Brazil is US GIG-CLT which shows 30% load (Flyertalk source).

I cannot speak for future load factors but my flight last week with USAirways from GIG to CLT had about a 60% load factor, and the flight attendants working that flight told me that the loads had been very good for the first 3 months of the service.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
I think they are going for the eventual passenger, maybe you can try to take a ride again

I would love to fly this flight again as it is very convenient for me to fly to Brazil from LAX. However, I will be returning to Rio during the last week of April and it wont be operating then, and so I will probably take the USAirways flight from CLT to GIG as it is showing many open seats as of now. On my return from GIG to HNL in May, I have booked an Aadvantage award ticket and will fly with AA from GIG-GRU-DFW-HNL in F Class. I have never flown AA on their international F Class with the 777, so I am looking forward to that!

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
They need to fly these additional frequencies in order to stall until the end of the upcoming 2010 US-Brazil combination frequency proceeding.

When will this proceeding take place? Will new frequencies be awarded?

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 17105 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
When will this proceeding take place? Will new frequencies be awarded?

I expect it to start in the coming weeks. 14 new frequencies will be awarded, but the GRU-restriction still applies.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
but my flight last week with USAirways from GIG to CLT

How was your flight experience?


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 17071 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
I cannot speak for future load factors but my flight last week with USAirways from GIG to CLT had about a 60% load factor
Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
and the flight attendants working that flight told me that the loads had been very good for the first 3 months of the service.

Thanks for the information which seems more credible than the one I mentioned above.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
I would love to fly this flight again as it is very convenient for me to fly to Brazil from LAX

You still have KE option - KE is for sure the poorest performer on US-Brazil along JAL.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17017 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
I expect it to start in the coming weeks. 14 new frequencies will be awarded, but the GRU-restriction still applies.

So if I am understanding this correctly, 2 US carriers will be given either one new daily flight from the US to any city in Brazil other than GRU or they can serve 2 cities 3/4 days per week? For example AA is awarded daily JFK-GIG, which would total 7 frequencies, and DL gets 4 ATL-BSB, and 3 ATL-CNF? Must the carriers specify before hand where they want to fly and how many times per week, much like the current HND Slot allocations?

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
How was your flight experience?

I had a good flight. The flight attendants were very nice and they provided good service. I also thought the seats were more comfortable than several other US carriers that I have flown on to Brazil. I thought the food wasn't very good though, but that seems to be consistent with the catering in GIG. I don't think I have ever had good food on any flight from GIG. And the IFE wasn't new either but that doesn't bother me as I bring my laptop which is loaded with movies and that keeps me occupied.
A big plus for me was the connection in CLT. I had not been to this airport before and it was very nice with many different food options. Also the connection to HNL was great. I only had a little over 3 hours to wait before my flight to HNL. I usually take AA from GIG-MIA-LAX-HNL and the wait time in MIA for the first flight to LAX is over 4 hours and the MIA airport's terminal E that AA uses is horrible! When I use AA, I normally don't get home to HNL until 9:00pm HST, and with USAirways, I was home at 2:30pm. I was happy using them. If they had better IFE, I would rate them up there with CO, but below JJ and KE.


Quoting hardiwv (Reply 19):
You still have KE option - KE is for sure the poorest performer on US-Brazil along JAL.

I hope KE can make it work. It really is convenient to have a nonstop to Brazil from the US West Coast. And I thought that JAL's GRU-JFK flight was always packed! In the past, when I had inquired about taking this flight on standby, people in GRU told me not to even try it as it is always well booked. Did JJ and DL take market share away from them?

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17013 times:
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Quoting hardiwv (Reply 3):
Just as a side note, TAM started three new domestic flights from GIG this weekend: GIG-GRU, GIG-POA and GIG-AJU all daily flights.

I believe a small confusion woth G3 future service GIG-AJU.

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 10):
LAX-GRU
03MAY10 – 09MAY10 Day 15
26JUL10 – 01AUG10 Day 24
11OCT10 – 17OCT10 Day 13

This gives a total of 6 flights. For me this is just to say to DOT... hey, we are using the frequencies...

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
Are you saying that DL will only operate this flight for one week in May, one week in late July, and one week in October, for a total of 6 flights? That is very strange! I can't imagine they would be able to attract any passengers to these flights if it were for such a limited time.

As i said above, very strange but it seems just to keep the frequencies.

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
Good to get your feedback. Currently the poorest peforming flight US-Brazil is US GIG-CLT which shows 30% load (Flyertalk source).

At least US GIG-CLT is still performing but as users says, it's far from being just 30%
If it's true, i'm sure US would be flying just 3x weekly.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
I cannot speak for future load factors but my flight last week with USAirways from GIG to CLT had about a 60% load factor, and the flight attendants working that flight told me that the loads had been very good for the first 3 months of the service.

That's exactly the info i keep getting and that Business keep performing above Economy. Off-season shall show numbers between 60 and 80%.
I believe you flew on an off-peak day of week, right ?

Quoting HALFA (Reply 17):
I would love to fly this flight again as it is very convenient for me to fly to Brazil from LAX. However, I will be returning to Rio during the last week of April and it wont be operating then, and so I will probably take the USAirways flight from CLT to GIG as it is showing many open seats as of now

That's a new way to travel for you. HNL-CLT-GIG seems a very good option.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16971 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 20):
So if I am understanding this correctly, 2 US carriers will be given either one new daily flight from the US to any city in Brazil other than GRU or they can serve 2 cities 3/4 days per week? For example AA is awarded daily JFK-GIG, which would total 7 frequencies, and DL gets 4 ATL-BSB, and 3 ATL-CNF? Must the carriers specify before hand where they want to fly and how many times per week, much like the current HND Slot allocations?

The DOT can do anything with the frequencies. They could even award 1 weekly frequency to 14 different applying carriers to 14 different routes, but that won't happen of course. Normally, we see daily sets of frequencies allocated, but that depends on how the airlines apply for them. We could see AA applying for 10 frequencies and DL for 7, so the DOT decides how they are awarded. AA could go for daily MIA-BSB (757) and 3x weekly DFW-GIG (763), while DL goes for daily JFK-GIG (763). Then, the DOT could consider that DL should be awarded the daily flight, but consider MIA-BSB an inferior proposal, so reduce the award to 4x weekly and award the other 3 frequencies for DFW-GIG.
So, they must specify the routes, the equipment and the frequency. The DOT rules on public interest and ties the frequencies to the routes in the award. Yes, the proceeding will be very similar to HND's.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 20):
I thought the food wasn't very good though, but that seems to be consistent with the catering in GIG. I don't think I have ever had good food on any flight from GIG.

That seems to be an issue for US airlines at GIG. I've had the same experience on AA and UA, but I have never had that problem on RG, JJ, AF, TP or BA.

[Edited 2010-03-14 20:03:29]

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16935 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
This gives a total of 6 flights. For me this is just to say to DOT... hey, we are using the frequencies...

I just checked Delta.com and this flight is indeed loaded into the system and bookable. It may work out well for me as they are operating it on Thursday, July 29th which is the day I was considering returning to Rio.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
I believe you flew on an off-peak day of week, right ?

Yes, I left GIG on Monday night.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
That's a new way to travel for you. HNL-CLT-GIG seems a very good option.

It's a great option to get home FROM Rio but going to Rio this way poses some problems. The flight from HNL to CLT arrives in CLT in the morning and the flight from CLT to GIG leaves late in the evening, so I have all day in CLT. Most hotels have check in requirements in the afternoon and check out at noon, so in many cases, I am required to book two nights hotel but I will only stay there for about 9-10 hours. But this is the same situation if I were to take CO HNL-IAH-GIG, or DL HNL-ATL-GIG. KE offers me the best way to Brazil as I can take HA at 0800 and arrive in LAX at 3:30pm and then take the KE flight at 5:50pm from LAX to GRU and have several options ot connect on to GIG/SDU.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 22):
The DOT can do anything with the frequencies

Do you or anyone know what airlines will be asking for frequencies and from what cities to where in Brazil? Do you think that AA will ask for DFW-GIG? That would be great if they did!

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 22):
That seems to be an issue for US airlines at GIG. I've had the same experience on AA and UA, but I have never had that problem on RG, JJ, AF, TP or BA.

That's interesting. Do you think the Brazilian and European carriers are getting their food from the same kitchen as the American carriers at GIG? I have never flown with RG and JJ out of GIG to the US. Only from GRU and have never had any issues with the food from GRU, and even with the US carriers and Air Canada. The food has always been better on my flights from GRU. I don't know why that is.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 16926 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 23):
Do you or anyone know what airlines will be asking for frequencies and from what cities to where in Brazil?

No, I don't know nor do I think anyone from outside the airlines knows.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 23):
Do you think that AA will ask for DFW-GIG?

I am pretty sure they won't, but we never know... maybe they're eyeing CO's Texan market...

[Edited 2010-03-14 21:41:03]

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48 AAEXP : Here is a little more on Puma Air/Varig from Valor Economico 18/03/2010: Angola também será outro destino de longo curso da Varig. Essa operação e
49 hardiwv : Lets put this into perspective, Neeleman said that Azul will almost double its fleet from 14 to 21 airplanes during 2010 and in 2011 a further 11 air
50 boeingrulz : Thanks AAEXP for the additional information on the Varig/Puma/Gol deal. I had not realized that Varig was releasing rights to that route so that it co
51 Post contains images AAEXP : You are doing fine
52 LipeGIG : Gol will reconfig their 763 fleet to be Full-Y with 261 seats. The first is going on in CNF and shall be ready soon. Probably 5 or 6 between BEL, SLZ,
53 MaverickM11 : LAXGRU is not going to work for anyone, any time in the near future. Perhaps the 787 will make it viable, but I really don't see anyone making it wor
54 hardiwv : GOL is renovating 3 B767s which will be used for charters starting in June. They will have 262 seats and will be perfect for charters, including Worl
55 hardiwv : My expectations is for VCP, SDU and CNF. It is a great use for KE during daylight especially cosidering the quick turnaround in GRU (2h) and that the
56 LipeGIG : New Flights requested by TAM Daily - 15/04 JJ3700 CGH 1053 BSB 1235 A320 JJ3707 BSB 0800 CGH 0945 A320 Sundays - eff. 15/04 JJ3622 CGH 700 RAO 800 A32
57 LipeGIG : Gol requests.. first GIG and a good surprise... GIG-NVT ! Eff 12/04 - Status: Requested to ANAC G3 1084 NVT 1100 GIG 1240 B73G G3 1085 GIG 2240 NVT 23
58 C010T3 : You mean CFB.
59 LipeGIG : AD new flights AD4000 VCP 815 SDU 922 - E190 - Daily except Sunday AD4001 SDU 952 VCP 1048 - E190 - Daily except Sunday AD4002 VCP 1402 SDU 1458 - E19
60 Post contains images hardiwv : This is fantastic news! NVT is now completed with GRU, POA and GIG nonstop! My dream came true. The schedule is also perfect allowing for full day in
61 LipeGIG : It's a NVT-CGH-NVT early morning flight using the sole slot got by GOL during all days of week on the last draft. G3 1080 NVT 0740 CGH 0845 B73G G3 1
62 OP3000 : Also the big leisure boom in the Camboriu area, and the fact that Azul with its 3x a day service has shown that NVT can be a strong regional alternat
63 Post contains links and images hardiwv : Thanks, Lipe, a good business alternative for CGH O&D market although CGH is already well served from NVT. I think POA would have brough better r
64 LipeGIG : I always said that NVT has a big regional potential. I just remember several times i went to NVT area, mostly to Blumenau, Itajai, Gaspar and even Pe
65 SBGLexpat : Sorry if this is out of the main topic, but I just read on the news that Gol has opened it's second maintenance hangar in CNF. Great news; nice to kno
66 LipeGIG : It's for sure on the main topic (Brazilian Aviation). That's a great development and i hope they can even go ahead and further increase their plans.
67 Post contains links AAEXP : Just wanted to attract attention to a new thread started by CO10T3 on TAM's terminal shifts in LHR and CDG: TAM Moving To Terminal 1 At Both LHR And C
68 LipeGIG : More flights requested... now Passaredo to use 1 ERJ145 in routes out of SDU: 2 SDU-GYN and 2 SDU-UDI GYN 05:21 SDU 06:51 SDU 08:00 UDI 09:20 UDI 09:5
69 AAEXP : ANAC has decided to re-open PLU for jet aircraft over 100 seats. The local government is against this decision as are community groups. But until furt
70 LipeGIG : And the governor of Minas Gerais has declared the opening of PLU as null and void.. this gonna be an interesting battle. G3 requested to drop two flig
71 AAEXP : TAM delays: (from Oglobo 27/3/2010) According to ANAC the number of flight delays will be bigger that in February. Up until 23/3, 18% of TAM flights s
72 LipeGIG : LAN to increase LIM-GRU offer eff. July 02 LAN 2609 - 2-4-6-D - B763 - SFO 1315 0020 LIM 0120 0800 GRU LAN 2608 - 2-4-6-D - B763 - GRU 1935 2250 LIM 0
73 jmbarros12 : Hello guys, Just did a search on this matter on A.net and found nothing. Did JJ quit flying non-stop from GRU to BRC, or is it just a winter season fl
74 OP3000 : Pretty bad. Any airport-related reason why JJ underperformed G3, or is it almost all accountable to their own operations? That's very good for LAX-LI
75 AAEXP : Here is some potential bad news for Brazilian airports: (From OGlobo 29/3/2010) PAC-2 reserva apenas R$ 3 bilhões para aeroportos a partir de 2011 BR
76 AAEXP : Here's some news on GOL and its FF program Smiles: (From Valor Economico 30/03/2010) Gol planeja ampliar em 40% base do Smiles este ano A Gol quer enc
77 AAEXP : Previ (Bank of Brazil Employee Pension Fund) shows interest in GIG privatization: (from Valor Economico 31/3/2010) A Previ, fundo de pensão dos funci
78 LipeGIG : Some news: TAM today asked ANAC to cancel some flights: JJ3367 SSA-VIX-GRU - 6x weekly JJ3366 GRU-VIX-SSA - 6x weekly (overnight flight, second time t
79 AAEXP : TAM announced today that it is starting flights to London and Frankfurt from GIG in August. To FRA it will be five flights per week. As for LHR, TAM w
80 kiwiandrew : That is great news , would you happen to have a link ?
81 Post contains links AAEXP : http://www.valoronline.com.br/?onlin...sageiros-por-dia-com-star-alliance
82 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Thanks for that ... even though my Portuguese is rudimentary ( and that is being charitable ) I got the gist of it . Exciting times for JJ and *A .
83 AAEXP : Wonder if this will force BA to go daily GIG-LHR?
84 kiwiandrew : Or whether it will force them to drop GIG altogether ?
85 LipeGIG : You beat me on that ! I was surprised to see TAM sharing capacity Rio-Europe between GIG-LHR and GIG-FRA. Good to see some additions to Europe, and 8
86 AAEXP : Am I really the only one here that belives that OW/BA is not going to let *A have this GIG-LHR party alone?
87 kiwiandrew : BA has slowly dropped port after port from their South American "network" , over the years we have seen CCS BOG and SCL disappear and now with the BA
88 incitatus : I am going to add a comment similar to what I placed in an earlier thread. Even if TAM eventually has what you call leadership (more traffic) in the
89 LipeGIG : I don't know how many frequencies BA can access right now and all i can say to you is that they had the chance to increase the route to 4 or 5x weekl
90 jmbarros12 : With A332?
91 LipeGIG : Yes, there's a specific thread covering this
92 LipeGIG : TAP numbers for 03/2010 on their Brazilian operations. See the addition over 03/2009: GRU-LIS - 11629 - Load 89% - +4109 pax LIS-GRU - 10852 - Load 83
93 hardiwv : Thanks for the numbers, Lipe. Some more news about Brazil - >> CM confirmed and loaded the 3rd daily PTY-GRU and 5 weekly PTY-CNF CM701 PTY1134
94 Post contains links AAEXP : TAM's president Líbano Barroso gave an interview to Brazil's leading financial newspaper, Valor Economico, yesterday. For those of you who understand
95 LipeGIG : AAEXP, thanks for taking the time to bring us the news. Good to see that TAM show plans for a fleet increase which just shows more about how Brazil i
96 SCL767 : LAN Perú will also operate the LIM-GRU-LIM route twice daily. LA2765 LIM 0050 - 0740 GRU Daily (A319) LA2764 GRU 0825 - 1145 LIM Daily (A319)
97 bjorn14 : Just curious, any hope for a open skies agreement between the USA and Brazil?
98 LipeGIG : It could come with the exception of Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, in the near future, considering zero focus from JJ or G3 on other markets.
99 bjorn14 : Wondering what the USA would exclude? JFK/MIA?
100 LipeGIG : I would say yes, USA airlines can't fly to GIG/GRU and Brazilian airlines can't fly JFK/MIA but this will lead to just more flights of USA airline. T
101 Post contains links OP3000 : TAM and GOL ranked # 1 and # 2 in profits posted among carriers in North/South America in 2009: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u7206
102 CPQi : Given I live and work here in Brazil I have very mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I am delighted that the airlines are healthy (I am a nerv
103 AAEXP : That price is based on demand....healthy free market economics......There are no price controls intra Brazil anymore. So if anyone can do it cheaper,
104 LipeGIG : A lot is going on the world of Brazilian Aviation ! - LP asking for 3x weekly LIM-BSB service - First Avianca Brasil (O6) A319 - 2010 US-Brazil freque
105 cpqi : Thanks LipeGIG, sorry to disappoint but I am a Brit living in Fortaleza, although my wife is Brazilian ! Sadly business demands mean last minute tick
106 incitatus : Welcome to a.net I hate to break the news on this one but Fortaleza is not the 4th largest city in Brazil anymore. According to the latest IBGE estim
107 LipeGIG : Some new flights requested: TAM requested: CGH-SSA Daily CGB-PVH Daily GIG-SSA (more 2x daily, to become 7x daily) GIG-IGU (the 3rd daily) GIG-CWB (ba
108 C010T3 : No, GIG-CWB is currently twice daily on JJ already. It will become 3x daily on JJ.
109 Post contains images LipeGIG : Thanks i got lost JJ3432 - Daily - A320 - GIG 0704 0905 SSA JJ3899 - Daily - A320 - SSA 0945 1151 GIG 1227 1350 CWB JJ3898 - Daily - A320 - CWB 1540
110 HALFA : Just flew with USAir in Envoy class from CLT to GIG. Good food, and a very comfortable seat. IMHO, US compares very favorably with other carriers flyi
111 Post contains links RICARIZA : And with good reviews: Source: http://www.melhoresdestinos.com.br/p...o-voo-novo-aviao-a319-avianca.html
112 LipeGIG : Some news: TAM have requested GIG-FRA daily with their 3-class A332 Azul requested to service GYN-SSA daily with E190 Good to know. I feel i have to t
113 SJOtoLIR : Delta Air Lines will launch the new Detroit - Sao Paulo service using the Boeing 767-300 Extended Range: DL 205............DTW 17:45...............GRU
114 LipeGIG : Now all they need is to get more 5 frequencies. I still have doubts about the performance of this route.
115 Post contains links Fyano773 : Some news recently published, regarding GRU-Mexico routes: Chief commercial officer, Sergio Allard and other officials said in Brazil that AM is plann
116 LipeGIG : JAL will descontinue flights to Sao Paulo (currently 2x weekly) eff. 09/30, as expected. They are putting some pressure on the Brazilian Government fo
117 robffm2 : Just the GIG-FRA flight? Or also the GIG-LHR flights? And will they fly daily from the beginning? I believe it was said 5/7 in the beginning. When wi
118 SJOtoLIR : We might establish some analogy between the upcoming DL DTW-GRU 2x weekly and the failed DL LAX-GRU 3x weekly. This pattern is completely unappealing
119 LipeGIG : Agree 100% and will just move people that use to fly thru other gateways, but will not attract so many customers from the key areas (East Coast) from
120 Post contains images robffm2 :
121 SCL767 : Thrice weekly service starts 08/01/10: LA 2773 LIM-BSB 00:50-07:05 (A319) LA 2772 BSB-LIM 08:30-11:05 (A319) Operates on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sat
122 LipeGIG : Fresh info. Brazil-US Stats as of November / 2009 ============================= JJ MIA-GRU 96.4% - 876,000 Lb cargo MIA-GIG 91.2% - 298,000 Lb cargo G
123 incitatus : Load factors are not the whole story, but it is what we have to play with. Brazil traffic seems to be getting back to normal. CO made the right move
124 LipeGIG : I believe you go to the right point. DL use to say that they got a good number of passengers from oil industry. CO for sure got them as well as being
125 LipeGIG : Taca Peru asked Brazilian ANAC to increase flights to both GIG and GRU LIM-GIG will return to daily eff. July 12 LIM-GRU will return to 2x daily eff.
126 incitatus : Azul is finally filling in a major missing dot by announcing service VCP-BSB.
127 RobertS975 : Anything new on the subject of codeshares between GOL and DL since it was first announced a month or so ago? A clever move for DL, as it will present
128 klkla : You have mentioned this before but I don't really think that is the issue. Very few, if any, coach customers make their decision based on PTV. And th
129 LipeGIG : I agree that very few make selection based on PTV, but in general the ones that make such selections are the ones that know more about flights and/or
130 klkla : But the frequent or premium flyers are probably flying up front and DL and CO are currently very similar up front in terms of both hard and soft prod
131 LipeGIG : My comment was based on the growing O&D HOU-GIG compared to the fact US and DL are focusing more on connections. CO in fact is not a good option
132 SJOtoLIR : AF/KL is expanding capacity to Sao Paulo during winter 2010/2011 season: AF Paris - Sao Paulo Service would operate as 2x daily, compared to 12 weekly
133 C010T3 : That's not news at all, especially when AF is also expanding capacity at GIG.
134 AF086 : And AR keeps expanding in Brazil. They requested to the brazilian ANAC the following: EFF 01SEPT10 AR1278 AEP 09:15 CWB 12:05 B73G - Daily AR1279 CWB
135 SJOtoLIR : GOL will begin Sao Paulo - Barbados service with Boeing 737-800: G3 7640.............GRU 16:35..................BGI 21:15...............Sa............
136 SCL767 : On 6/12/10, GOL will also commence a weekly charter flight operated by Brazil's largest tour operator CVC and Nascimento Turismo, who will split the 1
137 A388 : Goods news for SXM but for how long will this route be flown? Just for the summer season I suppose? A388
138 SCL767 : It will operate weekly during the low season and then increase frequency to twice weekly during the high season.
139 worldtraveler : you do realize that DL operates a 737-700 on the route? there isn't a whole lot of room for cargo. But AA's average fares so far are still 25% or mor
140 A388 : Okay thanks for the explanation SCL767. A388
141 SCL767 : You can find more info in past Caribbean treads....More flights coming to the Caribbean soon!
142 incitatus : You do realize DL has a hub in JFK, don't you? What does DL have to show for its N/NE Brazil services?
143 A388 : Okay thanks, keep us posted in those Caribbean threads. A388
144 LipeGIG : Few more news: 4M apply for the second AEP-GRU flight: 4M4540 AEP 0605 GRU 0920 A320 Daily 4M4541 GRU 1000 AEP 1300 A320 Daily TAM apply for GIG-LHR 3
145 SCL767 : On June 10, 2010, LAN Argentina will operate AEP-GRU-AEP 2x daily (A320). TAM Brasil will codeshare with LAN Argentina on the twice daily AEP-GRU rou
146 LipeGIG : That's an impressive expansion by LA in Brazil. They just announced the second LIM-GRU, the opening of LIM-BSB, more SCL-GRU, EZE-GRU and the rumors
147 SCL767 : Yes, LAN plans on increasing flights into both Brasil and Colombia while building up the LIM hub. Today, LAN Airlines will operate LIM-GRU 2x daily u
148 mah4546 : Not much. Last flight from Fortaleza is Spetember 6th, and then it goes the way of Recife.
149 C010t3 : Well, AFAIK it goes on hiatus, but returns November 7th. Or is Amadeus out of date?
150 mah4546 : Was removed from OAG yesterday. Should be zero'd out from Amadeus in the next few days.
151 LipeGIG : Another market wating for AA Thanks for all the remarks ! Just one point: They already do that. 1 B763 SCL-GRU-GIG, 1 B763 SCL-GRU, 1 A320 SCL-GRU, 1
152 Post contains links SCL767 : I agree, but that should not occur at this time since LA would most likely face competition with JJ. Also, LAN is focused on developing a Colombian p
153 MaverickM11 : ATLFOR is gone, at least through FEB11
154 C010t3 : I wonder if they're moving the frequencies to MAO or BSB or both...
155 LipeGIG : Or they will try to give the frequencies to "sponsor" AA MIA-BSB flight in order to free some frequencies they might "try" to secure for DTW No doubt
156 C010t3 : They only wanted to swap frequencies, not give them up.
157 LipeGIG : I would not be surprised if they try to give them up....but what i meant is a technical swap where they secure DTW frequencies giving some of theirs
158 C010T3 : Yes, but they still won't be able to use them at GRU, so they would have to continue to fly them to either FOR, MAO, BSB, REC or CNF.
159 mah4546 : Or neither, considering that even with FOR operating right now DL can't make full use of its frequencies. I wouldn't be surprised to see Manaus disco
160 C010T3 : Well, they cannot throw in the towel until it's decided that the DOT will not accept their proposed swap in order to guarantee future service to DTW.
161 hardiwv : LA decided instead to adjust its plans in Sao Paulo where it now operates AEP-GRU twice daily further boosting its position in this market. What happ
162 LipeGIG : They decided to fly just more to MAD, and launch a MAD-CDG
163 hardiwv : The days of JAL in GRU are over, while KE has managed to improve loads on LAX-GRU, its results for the daylight GRU-LAX remain frail. I am not surpri
164 LipeGIG : It's not a surprise because there's a lot of cargo from LAX and South Korea to Brazil. But it continues with a very poor performance even after almos
165 hardiwv : It is smart move. I have a friend in NY now flying JFK-GIG every month on TAM C and she says flight is always with high loads. Sometimes she needs to
166 C010T3 : AF is also going double daily to GIG.
167 hardiwv : It is confusing but here is what will happen with AF in Brazil: currently AF flies double daily GIG, it will downgrade to 12 weekly from 15 July unti
168 incitatus : That makes GRU an AF market with first class in all GRU-CDG frequencies. I take that as evidence that the GRU-Europe market is very strong at the hig
169 LipeGIG : Could be, and can be the need to use the A332 on another market that is not performing so well or do not need the B772 while is possible that the add
170 LipeGIG : Small changes and news: American is changing a little their network for the IATA summer - MIA-GIG is being increased from 9x to 11x weekly, - MIA-CNF
171 hardiwv : The B772 probably came from JNB which was a 2 daily B772/B77W station. JNB was upgraded to daily A380 releasing 2 B772 and 2 B77W in AF network. GRU
172 LipeGIG : May be in the future we see a third flight going to Sao Paulo, after the new open skies allows that.
173 hardiwv : I think AF will first move to double daily redeye therefore operating two red-eye flights per day. At least this was the strategy used in JNB before
174 LipeGIG : Does not make sense because it demands another plane and the results are not bad on the daylight. I rather see a second overnight, but with 3x weekly
175 hardiwv : Similar to JNB (where the daylight also yielded good results), AF decided to deploy both daily flights as red-eye, before introducing the A380. It is
176 LipeGIG : From a yesterday request from IB to ANAC, eff. July 4: IB6024/6025 MAD-GIG, requested to be upgraded to daily A346 IB6820/6821 MAD-GRU, daylight, dail
177 SCL767 : The initial plan was to fly LIM-CUZ-IGU. Since LAN would have to open up a new station at IGU, IGR is more practical. LAN Argentina already serves IG
178 hardiwv : FLN is a good market for PU regional jets during weekends. Another very smart move. Correct, plus LA may also allow for intra-Argentina connections o
179 Post contains links robffm2 : Reuters reports that JJ is to order 25 new Airbus planes at the Berlin ILA airshow: 20 x A320 and 5 x A350. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6571
180 hardiwv : Thanks for the info. The A320 will allow for sustained growth in the domestic market, it will also release A319s to be utilised in the regional marke
181 Post contains images LipeGIG : I was expecting more A330's !!!! I don't know neither. All i can say to you is that the plans for the second flight to GIG seems on the right directi
182 C010T3 : They should go for more 77W instead. I think it makes more sense, so that they can expand at GRU without adding new flights. I know it's uncomfortabl
183 LipeGIG : G3 asked for a new destination: MOC G31070 CNF 2300 MOC 2350 B73G Daily G31071 MOC 0530 CNF 0620 B73G Daily Montes Claros will be connected thru Belo
184 Post contains links hardiwv : GOL is doing a superb work in secondary destinations which are not even served by TAM among which XAP, PNZ, CXJ, MGF, JDO, CPV, JTC, etc. These undev
185 LipeGIG : Gol is the airline that develops new markets! Now imagine if they have some E-Jets and even some Embraer's 145 I rather look month after month. They
186 Post contains links SCL767 : Interesting development, TAM's CEO states that "there is space for LAN to compete in Brazil": Link in Spanish: http://www.aerolatinnews.com/index.php?
187 LipeGIG : I'm sure there's space SCL767. If we list the top 10 markets in Brazil we will realize that: only the top 4 are well covered, and the other 6, lack r
188 LipeGIG : UX requested (good!) back the 3x weekly service between MAD and SSA that will continue to be operated by the A332. About Infraero data, they posted a
189 hardiwv : Very good, perhaps they have realised IB has its eyes on the Northeast Brazil market. I also found LF provided by ANAC to be very low as per market s
190 LipeGIG : LH is saying that they are looking to increase the number of flights to Brazil in the near future. Probably from MUC nowadays served 5x weekly to Sao
191 hardiwv : More news: EK will upgrade DXB-GRU from daily B77L to daily B77W from Winter 2010/2011. Sometimes EK already sends the B77W to GRU due to strong deman
192 LipeGIG : Hardi, we don't have route information, we have network information. I wouldn't say that a fake Low LF is good considering they have their stocks tra
193 hardiwv : Not really: EK has two types of B77W: 2-class (low yielding) and 3-class (high yielding); GRU will take the 3-class therefore doubling supply in F. B
194 LipeGIG : I would say that at this point, with the huge increase of business activity in Rio de Janeiro, not to look into this would be a mistake, considering
195 hardiwv : While I totally agree with your point about the importance of GIG and EZE, I disagree with your statement that more GRU is not advantage. On the cont
196 RodRB : AF IATA Winter planned operation: CDG-GIG 7x 744 7x 332 CDG-GRU 4 772 + 3 77W 7 772
197 hardiwv : Thanks for sharing. For Winter AF is back flying both GRU and GIG double daily, GRU gets 2 daily flights with F cabin. Also KLM will operate AMS-GRU
198 hardiwv : On Saturday GOL started a weekly GRU-MAO-SXM (Dutch Antilles) and requested the flight to become regular every Saturday. GRU 14.48 MAO 18.10 SXM 21.30
199 Post contains links SCL767 : GOL's new GRU-BGI-GRU route begins in 12 days. The new flight will depart GRU 4:35 p.m. on Saturday, arriving in Bridgetown, Barbados, at 9:15 p.m. T
200 LipeGIG : Establishing GIG and EZE will attract new customers, some that might be using QR, SA, LH, AF, JJ, or even current EK GRU service allowing more room f
201 SCL767 : These new flights will also serve to diversify the numbers of tourists that visit these Caribbean destinations. There is an inherent tendency in some
202 LipeGIG : That's true SCL767. There was a true lack of flights that create on Brazilians (and in general "Deep South American" customers) to access the Caribbe
203 LipeGIG : Brazil-US Traffic December/2009 DELTA ================================= ATL-BSB first month 65.55% 0 lb Cargo BSB-ATL first month 95.78% 0 lb Cargo I
204 C010T3 : Did you consider the days in which the flight was operated by the 762? Don't forget that 764 was replaced for some weeks on the IAH-GIG.
205 LipeGIG : Yes i did. I consolidate the results, but still with that IAH-GIG-IAH transported 1400 more passengers but also offer around 1300 more seats.
206 SCL767 : Thanks for posting December, 2009 cargo stats. MIA-CWB, MIA-GIG, MIA-MAO, and MIA-VCP have certainly picked up. In fact, last month LAN Cargo's traff
207 hardiwv : Lipe, thanks for the numbers. And therefore capturing new traffic allowing for more connections and more destinations. What happened to GOL B763? Are
208 LipeGIG : And increased even more during this year, LA cargo is really doing very wel to Brazil. I always see a 763 parked at GIG and it seems one is being usi
209 SCL767 : A bit off of the subject, but has Transaero received ANAC approval to operate DME-GIG weekly as yet?
210 hardiwv : Brazilian domestic market share in May-2010 by airline (numbers between brackets are for May-2009) 1. TAM 40.88% (44.91%) 2. GOL 40.18% (42.02%) 3. We
211 Post contains links SCL767 : During the second half of 2011, Transaero plans on operating Moscow-Rio de Janeiro on a regular basis. However, UN may operate charter flights betwee
212 Post contains links hardiwv : Thanks, this is also reported here - Transaero serves Canada and the Dominican Republic in the Americas, but is currently undergoing an accreditation
213 C010T3 : It think it was more a problem of organization. I can remember how they had to request an emergency permit from Infraero in order to do the renovatio
214 LipeGIG : SCL767, this is on discussion right now but a formal request was not presented yet But it's high likely that begin in June 2011
215 LipeGIG : Two important aspects to add First, regarding Russia-GIG, Gazprom is about to install their office in Rio later this year Second, important to see how
216 hardiwv : I am not sure whether it was reported, but starting 20 June UA will replace the B763 with the B772 on ORD-GRU until 01 November. IAD-GRU-GIG keeps th
217 LipeGIG : It was reported but so far they did not requested to ANAC the change. They just updated the schedules for both routes with 772 to IAD and 763 to ORD.
218 MAH4546 : Transaero is a holiday airline and plans to serve Rio de Janeiro only every two weeks. It is not looking to serve any business interests. How is a ro
219 hardiwv : In fact they even loaded the B772 ORD-GRU on their own website. IAD-GRU-GIG will keep the B772. B747 and B763 have been reconfigured and at this mome
220 C010T3 : US airlines plan their schedules in advance, but only start the bureaucratic procedures before the ANAC in the exact necessary time. They're not like
221 LipeGIG : They in fact requested to upgrade ORD-GRU to 772 effective July 14, yesterday to ANAC. It's ok, i was mentioning about the increase on business activ
222 incitatus : I had been wondering when Infraero would finally wrap up Carnival and get back to posting traffic figures for Brazilian airports starting with March 2
223 LipeGIG : I believe something was reported and now they have to justify in advance. I just imagine the numbers were not so great as they announced. lol, they a
224 hardiwv : TAP Performance May/2010 (widebody routes only): Top 15 Load Factor GRU-LIS 94% EWR-OPO 94% GIG-LIS 93% GIG-OPO 93% GRU-OPO 93% EWR-LIS 90% BSB-LIS 88
225 LipeGIG : Thanks for the info Hardi. I agree that JNB is not performing so well and if continues like That, I believe it could be cut after the world cup For so
226 hardiwv : Indeed, 90% in May is amazing for a route which also has options via OPO. And note that May is not leisure month, so bulk of demand would be business
227 incitatus : NAT is not a business route so financially is probably doing worse than JNB. Just yesterday I was reading about how big sports events like the World
228 hardiwv : I think NAT runs the risk of being axed, although if I am not sure the local government gives some incentives. The recent charter by Arke Fly AMS-JPA
229 LipeGIG : TAM decided to launch GIG-LHR as charter/extra flights as they are still waiting for ANAC approval: JJ9416 GIG 0035 LHR 1605 %u2013 A332 %u2013 Tuesda
230 LipeGIG : LAN is offering again GIG-SCL non-stop (don't know if it's seasonal) LA773 GIG 0800 SCL 1140 A320 On the way back it continues , so far, with one stop
231 SJOtoLIR : The “UA” code is now appearing on Continental’s service aiming to Brazil: ...............Route..............................UA Code-share.......
232 SCL767 : LA772 SCL-GIG LA773 GIG-SCL LA774 SCL-GIG LA775 GIG-SCL On 7/01/10, ABSA Cargo will operate between Guarulhos and Lima daily, (B763F). LAN Cargo will
233 LipeGIG : Do you have dates when they begin ?
234 SCL767 : They should commence by mid-December in time for the high season. On a side note, today G3 operated its first flight between GRU and Barbados-BGI.
235 AF086 : Seasonal again?
236 SCL767 : LAN will most likely keep one dedicated non-stop service between SCL and GIG year-round.
237 C010T3 : Hallelujah! I sure hope they stop those nasty tag-on flights as well.
238 SCL767 : The tag-on flights enable the route to operate profitably. However, I also agree that a daily non-stop A320 service between SCL and GIG is long overd
239 LipeGIG : That's what i believe it's the cause. The current route is too profitable because it manages both markets together. However, i believe LA is trying t
240 AF086 : Heard that this flight has a good cargo performance to/from GIG which helps to keep the service on the black.
241 LipeGIG : Some news: JJ GRU-CDG to be reduced from 2x daily to 13x weekly (Saturday will see just 1x daily) , this is probably connected with the fact TAM decid
242 LipeGIG : Or February CNF - 30 (1%) BSB - 64 (2%) CWB - 45 (1%) FLN - 460 (17%) FOR - 6 MCZ - 2 POA - 173 (7%) REC - 109 (4%) GIG - 758 (31%) SSA - 306 (12%) GR
243 SJOtoLIR : Continental and TAM begins code-share operation between US and Brazil as follows: ...........Route.....................................JJ Code-share..
244 SJOtoLIR : American Airlines has loaded their new flights and adjustments in Brazil for Winter 2010: New York JFK - Rio de Janeiro service AA255...........JFK 21
245 AF086 : Interesting. AA didn't use their usual AA9XX numbering used on the flights to Brazil.
246 Post contains links hardiwv : Indeed, GRU-BGI will operate every Saturday, first flight had 90% LF. Chile's JAC official data for January - March 2010: Top international destinati
247 SJOtoLIR : The TAM’s code will appear on LX [Zurich - Paris CDG] and back service as follows: ............Route..........................JJ Code-share.........
248 LipeGIG : This statistics only considers where the airlines fly. G3 is the only one that provides complete stats on their destinations. Even TAM says that the
249 hardiwv : Not really, at that time JFK was not dedicated. JFK is now dedicated, now all flights are dedicated, with 5 daily flights offering F class due to B77
250 LipeGIG : That's true, both markets Rio and Sao Paulo got additional offer. Again, It's clear that 100% of TAM passengers couldn't be from Sao Paulo. Brazil-Ch
251 SCL767 : That's great news, hopefully G3 will add on another flight in the future. G3's SXM service is completely sold out next month. G3 has indicated that i
252 Post contains links LipeGIG : http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...ara-barbados_59135.html?pesquisa=1 They said that LF increase will be slow... and till September they expect 50
253 Post contains links SCL767 : Indeed, it looks like Barbados will try to offer G3 pax connections to other islands on the regional airline LIAT. “At the end of the day, however
254 LipeGIG : PS: I will lock this when it reaches 260 posts. Thanks for the link. In fact i agree that GOL and Sao Paulo are the top best partners Barbados may hav
255 SJOtoLIR : With that being said above, my interpretation consists on JJ GIG-CDG and then LX CDG-ZRH for those passengers traveling between [Rio de Janeiro and Z
256 Post contains links RodRB : dont know if this has already been posted, but here we go: TACA is increasing LIM-GIG from 4 weekly to Daily from 12JUL10. source: http://airlineroute
257 LipeGIG : There's about 22,000 annual bookings GIG-ZRH, so considering that we shall see about 10,000 to Geneve, i do believe there's space for 3-4 weekly serv
258 SJOtoLIR : The advantage of [JJ GIG-CDG and then LX CDG-ZRH] and back consists on their daily operations by now. . It complements TA LIM-GRU 10x weekly and TA L
259 LipeGIG : Correct, and seems that JJ is trying to get additional markets to CDG now that they will also offer FRA and LHR from GIG.
260 Post contains links LipeGIG : Ok, got too long. Lets begin the B.A.N thread number # 5 Please continue discussions here: Brazilian Aviation News # 5 (by LipeGIG Jun 28 2010 in Civi
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