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User currently offlinecb777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

Would the E190/195 be a good fit for Continental mainline? Maybe as a B737-500 replacement eventually. If the scope clause can be worked out, is it possible?

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User currently offlinemiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

That's a huge if. The 747-800 would be a good fit if the scope clause could be worked out.

User currently offlineadxmatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 951 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8266 times:

Quoting cb777 (Thread starter):
Would the E190/195 be a good fit for Continental mainline? Maybe as a B737-500 replacement eventually. If the scope clause can be worked out, is it possible?
Quoting miller22 (Reply 1):
That's a huge if. The 747-800 would be a good fit if the scope clause could be worked out.

The original poster asked if it would be a good fit for Continental Mainline.... not Express.
There is no scope clause for mainline. The mainline pilots will fly any type aircraft that the company wants them too.

If the OP mean express.... then yes ... It would be a huge issue with scope clause on the Pilots/FA and Dispatchers. All 3 groups have scope clause for express operations.


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

I would welcome the E190/195, if those of us at mainline get to staff them. It does fill the large gap between 50 seats and (soon to be) 124 seats. I guess the Q400s, with 74 seats help too.

The big question is, when does it become cheaper to pay mainline crews to fly a single E195 instead of paying ExpressJet to fly two E145s?


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7632 times:
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Quoting adxmatt (Reply 2):
There is no scope clause for mainline.

There is if you consider aircraft range and time on duty. i.e. 747-8, 777LR.
OK maybe not scope close but work rules but I think that's what poster meant.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5180 times:

We'll it would an ideal supplementary aircraft on routes like IAH-BZE that too many pax for two 738 flights but not enough for 3. Also route like IAH-MID, YYZ etc would be nice fits for the 195.


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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4894 times:

It would be a goos sized aircraft for CO to get. At my company we do a lot of runs between YYZ/BUF and DFW. A lot of us purposefully avoid CO due to the ERJ-145s we get on the longer segments. The larger E-jet would put CO back in the game on an even keel with others.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4764 times:

The larger E-Jets would be a great plane for Continental Express. Having them flown by mainline crews will hurt the economics somewhat, but I would guess that they would still be profitable.

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 6):
The larger E-jet would put CO back in the game on an even keel with others.

The E-Jets can more than match mainline planes when it comes to passenger comfort.



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
The larger E-Jets would be a great plane for Continental Express. Having them flown by mainline crews will hurt the economics somewhat, but I would guess that they would still be profitable.

There are many areas that make it not so much more expensive at all though, if the bean counters could see past their desk.

There are flight crews at the vendor airlines that do not care about ANYTHING to do with on time performance, fuel savings, and so on. Why? Because they don't work for the mainline carrier and there is no incentive to care. Yes, most are not in this category, but they do exist and wastes a ton of money. Not to mention the overhead of having an entirely separate management team for a second company, a separate dispatch department, a separate human resources department, on and on and on. If this was all combined it would be much cheaper. The payrates wouldn't even have to change for them to save money but I guarantee they will just try to keep on outsourcing, the only thing some management teams know how to do.


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4598 times:

There are many of us at Expressjet that would love to see the company invest in the larger E-jets. Do you believe the scope clause has hamstrung XE into only having the 145? The new contract with UA has the company managing to diversify itself away fom strictly being under CO. In the meantime shorter markets such as CRP-IAH and LFT-IAH may see the Q400 soon. We have been told to possibly expect the Q somtime late summer. Mainline has not served CRP since 2003, but an a/c of 70-110 seats would fit nicely into the schedule.
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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 9):
There are many of us at Expressjet that would love to see the company invest in the larger E-jets. Do you believe the scope clause has hamstrung XE into only having the 145? The new contract with UA has the company managing to diversify itself away fom strictly being under CO. In the meantime shorter markets such as CRP-IAH and LFT-IAH may see the Q400 soon. We have been told to possibly expect the Q somtime late summer. Mainline has not served CRP since 2003, but an a/c of 70-110 seats would fit nicely into the schedule.
JD CRPXE

In what department? Most of the pilots I know at ExpressJet actually do not want larger equipment unless it is flown by mainline.

I hate to tell you, but most people feel that a Republic subsidiary would be the one to fly larger equipment in CO colors if scope is relaxed. In the end, EMB-170/175/190/195's running around as Express at any carrier only hurts the industry long term. It continues the "race to the bottom"... Go to Airline Pilot Central's website, you'll quickly see that ExpressJet's pilot pay surpasses Republic's... 4th year XJT F/O is above top out of RP's entire F/O scale.... They pay 1 rate for F/O's for all sizes from 145's to 190's... is that really what you want? A devaluation of your work? That said, it wouldn't even be out of place to have the larger "regional" jets flown as mainline equipment... in the US the E-190's are flown as mainline at US Airways and JetBlue, and in Canada at Air Canada (even the 175's are mainline there)... no reason it can't be done in the US at Continental, American, Delta, United... other than it is a way to whipsaw labor groups against each other...



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 10):
in the US the E-190's are flown as mainline at US Airways and JetBlue, and in Canada at Air Canada (even the 175's are mainline there)... no reason it can't be done in the US at Continental, American, Delta, United... other than it is a way to whipsaw labor groups against each other...

I think the whipsawing was started when the pilots' unions agreed to these reduced rate, regional contracts.


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 11):
I think the whipsawing was started when the pilots' unions agreed to these reduced rate, regional contracts.

Absolutely true! There will never be a shortage of people with "Shiny Jet Syndrome" or those that look out only for #1 in a short term prospectus as oppose to long term career longevity. That said.. now that as a whole pilots let the cat out of the bag and gave rise to the RJ revolution... I doubt it can ever be re-tamed and put back to how it should be: 1 carrier, 1 pilot group, whatever plane you want me to fly for fair negotiated wages/work rules that allow for my career longevity (only achieved as long as company is also viable, win-win for both sides).



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
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Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 9):
There are many of us at Expressjet that would love to see the company invest in the larger E-jets. Do you believe the scope clause has hamstrung XE into only having the 145? The new contract with UA has the company managing to diversify itself away fom strictly being under CO. In the meantime shorter markets such as CRP-IAH and LFT-IAH may see the Q400 soon. We have been told to possibly expect the Q somtime late summer. Mainline has not served CRP since 2003, but an a/c of 70-110 seats would fit nicely into the schedule.
JD CRPXE

"may"?? Will. However, it wont be in the summer schedule. It will be in the fall when the Q is introduced to IAH.



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