Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
BA/Comair Add Nelspruit (& More?)  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

BA/Comair, the BA franchisee in South Africa is adding a 6 weekly flight from Johannesburgh to Nelspruit Kruger Mpumalanga Airport.

Schedules are :

BA6251 JNB1040 – 1120MQP 733 x6
BA6252 MQP1205 – 1245JNB 733 x6

Source : http://airlineroute.net/2010/03/15/ba-jnbmqp/

Nice move from BA/Comair. There were rumours that BA/Comair were also to expand by introducing flights to Dar Es Salaam and the exotic coastal city of Walvis Bay in Namibia. Flights to Windhoek will also increase.

Source : http://www.fin24.com/articles/defaul...-24_2572150&IsColumnistStory=False

The coming months could be exciting for BA/Comair after several years where the network was frozen.

I think BA/Comair needs badly a new fleet getting rid of the 732s. There were talks about new 738 but I guess some E190 (100 seats) would be more apporiate for routes to Walvis Bay and domestic routes like George and East London. BA/Comair could even start services to Gaborone, Nairobi and Maputo.


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
16 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

I have read they have ordered a few 738's to replace the classic 737s they have.

User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Although it's less than 200 miles from JNB to MQP and the roads are good. I can see a high demand for this service. Demand should be particularly strong amongst both American and European tourists with limited time on a Southern African tour.

A visit to Kruger National Park and one or more of the private game reserves around the Park's south west corner on such a tour is a real "must".

I guess what distinguishes Kruger from most other African reserves are the metaled (and car-drivable dirt) roads that allow the visitor to go as he or she pleases and just take time observing the abundance of wild life. The private game reserves offer something really different with dawn and dusk 4-wheel drive tours led by skilled trackers.

[Edited 2010-03-15 06:41:14]

[Edited 2010-03-15 06:41:51]

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Just in time for the World Cup too.

With oneworld's weakness in Africa, any expansion by Comair helps plug a few gaps.



it's the bus to stansted (now renamed national express a4 to ruin my username)
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 3):
With oneworld's weakness in Africa, any expansion by Comair helps plug a few gaps.

Well Comair is doing what it can but the position of the Johannesburg hub makes it not ideal if you want to commute to places like Kenya, Tanzania, etc... You have to traval all the way to SA and then backtrack. At some point BA had a frnachise partner in Kenya called Regional Airlines with a hub in Nairobi. That airline offered good connections to places in Kenya and some countries in the north (Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Zambia).

I guess BA and OneWorld need a serious partner in that zone.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 1):
I have read they have ordered a few 738's to replace the classic 737s they have.

Comair Limited have ordered 8 new 737-800's for delivery between 2012 and 2015. The aircraft will however all be used to replace the current Kulula fleet of 1 x 732, 1 x 733 and 5 x 734's.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
I think BA/Comair needs badly a new fleet getting rid of the 732s. There were talks about new 738 but I guess some E190 (100 seats) would be more apporiate for routes to Walvis Bay and domestic routes like George and East London. BA/Comair could even start services to Gaborone, Nairobi
and Maputo.

If Comair/BA were to add E-Jets I think they would be sensible to order a mixture of E175's (80 seater) and E195's (110 seater). Which would allow them to better match capacity with demand. Personally I think it is more likely Comair/BA would add a mix of A318/A319's or even some CRJ1000's.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 3):
With oneworld's weakness in Africa, any expansion by Comair helps plug a few gaps
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Well Comair is doing what it can but the position of the Johannesburg hub makes it not ideal if you want to commute to places like Kenya, Tanzania, etc... You have to traval all the way to SA and then backtrack. At some point BA had a frnachise partner in Kenya called Regional Airlines with a hub in Nairobi. That airline offered good connections to places in Kenya and some countries in the north (Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Zambia).

I guess BA and OneWorld need a serious partner in that zone.

Regional Air became a BA franchise in 2001. The agreement later terminated in 2005. They had a fleet of 3 737-200's.
With the main african airlines (apart from Arik Air) already members of alliances maybe BA and OW should look at signing up some smaller airlines to act as franchise carriers. Airlines such as Arik Air or Aero Contactors in Nigeria, Fly540 in Kenya and Precision Air in Tanzania. Or maybe with some backing from BA, Comair could expand and open bases outside SA at airport such as NBO, EBB or ACC

Other routes that would make good additions to the Comair/BA route network are:

JNB-SEZ
JNB-NBO/MBA
JNB-ZNZ
JNB-LAD
JNB-LOS
JNB-ABV
JNB-ACC


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 5):
With the main african airlines (apart from Arik Air) already members of alliances maybe BA and SA)">OW should look at signing up some smaller airlines to act as franchise carriers. Airlines such as Arik Air or Aero Contactors in Nigeria, Fly540 in Kenya and Precision Air in Tanzania. Or maybe with some backing from BA, Comair could expand and open bases outside SA at airport such as NBO, EBB or ACC

I really don't think BA is focused in Franchise operations anymore. Back in the years 1995-2005, they had loads of franchises : Regional Air (Kenya), Zambia Air Service, GB airways, BMED, Loganair, Base Airlines (Netherlands). Some of them folded and some of them were handed to competitors. Since then BA has only 2 franchisee : Comair in South Africa and Sun Air in Denmark.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
I really don't think BA is focused in Franchise operations anymore. Back in the years 1995-2005, they had loads of franchises : Regional Air (Kenya), Zambia Air Service, GB airways, BMED, Loganair, Base Airlines (Netherlands). Some of them folded and some of them were handed to competitors. Since then BA has only 2 franchisee : Comair in South Africa and Sun Air in Denmark.

I think it was a question of what the franchise carriers brought to BA, and in the end the decision was that it was not worthwhile continuing with the relationship.

Comair seems to be doing well under the BA brand, and I think also feeds both CX and QF at JNB. If AA ever launched a MIA-JNB flight they'd also benefit from that.

There was talk that BA was looking at an Indian franchise, but with the announcement that Kingfisher is to join oneworld I think that is less likely.

As to Sun-Air, I'm not sure when their franchise agreement ends but I'd be surprised if it was renewed as I can't see what benefit they bring to BA in the longer term. Perhaps they'd work better as an AY franchise/partner?



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
I think it was a question of what the franchise carriers brought to BA, and in the end the decision was that it was not worthwhile continuing with the relationship.

Well the franchises made sure the BA brand was exposed in a lot of areas not reachable by BA. It expanded the BA presence significantly. At some points, new destinations were only added by BA's franchisees. Now BA's network has shrunk making it not a partner of choice when you compare it to AF, KL or LH who now have many franchisee.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
Comair seems to be doing well under the BA brand, and I think also feeds both CX and QF at JNB.

MN is currently South Africa's largest private airline and is the second longest-established airline after SAA. They became a major player in the SA domestic market back in 1992 as a result of deregulation .

In 1996 MN signed an agreement to become a BA franchise carrier.

In 2000 BA decided to invest in MN and acquired a 18% stake in the company .

In September of 2007 BA and MN signed a 11 year extension to the franchise agreement.

BA wants to become a bigger player in the SA market. BA want the franchise to grow to add new destinations not just in SA but in other African countries. It will be interesting to see if over the next couple of years MN set up new bases outside SA.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
There was talk that BA was looking at an Indian franchise, but with the announcement that Kingfisher is to join oneworld I think that is less likely

Kingfisher expects to gain approval from the Indian CAA to join OW by the early summer. Once they gain that approval it will take IT about 18 months to become a full member of Oneworld. BA will act as IT's Oneworld sponsor .

There were a number of reports in the days leading up to the announcement of IT joining OW. They stated that BA an IT had held talks about entering a code-share agreement. This agreement would see BA code sharing on IT's domestic and short-haul network. In return IT would code-share on a select number of BA's services to the US and Canada as well as a number of BA's domestic and european short-haul flights. The CAA in India did say that enquires had been made by IT regarding the likelihood of such an agreement being approved. Both BA and IT are expected to lodge a formal application for a code-sharing deal once IT has gained approval to join OW.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
As to Sun-Air, I'm not sure when their franchise agreement ends but I'd be surprised if it was renewed as I can't see what benefit they bring to BA in the longer term. Perhaps they'd work better as an AY franchise/partner?

When it comes to the EZ franchise I cant find all that much info. Think I might start another thread and maybe someone in Denmark will know that answer to EZ's future as a BA franchise.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 9):
BA wants to become a bigger player in the SA market. BA want the franchise to grow to add new destinations not just in SA but in other African countries. It will be interesting to see if over the next couple of years MN set up new bases outside SA.

MN wanted to buy Air Botswana to expand furthern in Southern Africa but that has been cancelled. MN might want to invest in a much needed operation in Tanzania after the failed SAA/Air Tanzania venture. And Tanzania is much more viable city for a hub if you consider flights to Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, RDC, Kenya, etc...

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 9):
When it comes to the EZ franchise I cant find all that much info.

I thought EZ could take over the CPH-LCY operation after SK terminates it. I would also see EZ may be offering more flights our of LCY.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 10):
I thought EZ could take over the CPH-LCY operation after SK terminates it. I would also see EZ may be offering more flights our of LCY

EZ announced a CPH-LCY route back in 2005 but dropped it before even a seat was sold.

http://www.londoncityairport.com/AboutUs/ViewRelease.aspx?id=482

EZ do currently operate a LCY-BLL flight 8 x Weekly using a D328. I think you are right I can see them operating more flights ex LCY using the D328 Turboprop and D328 Jet aircraft.

As well as LCY/CPH the D328's have the range to operate routes such as

LCY/OSL ( 2 x Daily)
LCY/GOT ( 2 x Daily)
LCY/BMA or ARN ( at least 3 x Daily)
LCY/HEL (Think the D328 will just make it) ( 2 x Daily)

Also the D328 would be the perfect a/c to take over the LCY/DUS route.


User currently offlinesflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
Now BA's network has shrunk making it not a partner of choice when you compare it to AF, KL or LH who now have many franchisee.

Sorry for the ignorance, but who does AF/KL and LH have as franchises outside of Europe? I always thought that BA was the only European with Franchise outside of the EU.


User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
Nice move from BA/Comair. There were rumours that BA/Comair were also to expand by introducing flights to Dar Es Salaam and the exotic coastal city of Walvis Bay in Namibia.

Very interesting. Although the article you sited does say for a fact that the flights to Walvis Bay and Dar Es Salaam will be starting. On a side note, the WVB flight is somewhat surprising. From what I know about Namibia, there really isn't anything in that city and it's not a huge tourist hot spot by any means compared to the nearby Swakopmund.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 13):
it's not a huge tourist hot spot by any means compared to the nearby Swakopmund.

Maybe the airport at Walvisbaai also serves Swakopmund ? I dont recall seeing a separate Swakopmund airport when I was there .



Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
Nice move from BA/Comair. There were rumours that BA/Comair were also to expand by introducing flights to Dar Es Salaam and the exotic coastal city of Walvis Bay in Namibia.

Yeah that could be it. I had that thought after I made that post. But then again, I checked Google maps, and there is an airport there. Although, like you said, maybe that one isn't really capable of handling larger commercial traffic. Maybe SW733 can let us know if he reads this thread.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 15):
Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
Nice move from BA/Comair. There were rumours that BA/Comair were also to expand by introducing flights to Dar Es Salaam and the exotic coastal city of Walvis Bay in Namibia.

Yeah that could be it. I had that thought after I made that post. But then again, I checked Google maps, and there is an airport there. Although, like you said, maybe that one isn't really capable of handling larger commercial traffic. Maybe SW733 can let us know if he reads this thread.

That is correct, Walvis is the main airport of the region (and is the more important commercial destination too, with it's major port)

Swakopmund airport is a sandy strip used by light planes, I took a sightseeing flight over the desert from there last year on a Cessna Caravan!.



it's the bus to stansted (now renamed national express a4 to ruin my username)
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Woman Removed From BA (Comair) Flight Over Phone posted Tue Oct 13 2009 10:58:05 by RussianJet
BA/Comair 737-200s posted Wed Oct 1 2008 05:39:11 by AirxLiban
BA Cityflyer Add LCY To LYS And GVA posted Mon Sep 15 2008 13:52:12 by BALHRWWCC
BA Ordered Or Optioned 1 More A380? posted Tue Feb 19 2008 11:12:40 by David_itl
BA Cityflyer ADD To Fleet posted Sun Oct 21 2007 17:54:26 by BAOPS777
BA To Add Second Flight To YUL In Summer 2006! posted Sun Dec 11 2005 18:45:51 by Thenoflyzone
DL Set To Add Two More ATL Destinations posted Wed Jul 20 2005 09:32:35 by DeltaMIA
Comair To Increase More Flight Out Of CVG-YUL posted Fri Oct 25 2002 19:32:50 by ScottysAir
BA To Add Second Flight To LHR posted Sat Mar 30 2002 20:10:47 by B764
BA To Add 3rd Dailies To BOS,IAD Again posted Mon Mar 18 2002 13:08:44 by Donder10
BA Ordered Or Optioned 1 More A380? posted Tue Feb 19 2008 11:12:40 by David_itl
BA Cityflyer ADD To Fleet posted Sun Oct 21 2007 17:54:26 by BAOPS777