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BA Wet Lease Charters March 2010  
User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24795 times:

BA have listed the airlines http://www.britishairways.com/travel/flights-option-2/public/en_gb

[Edited 2010-03-15 09:54:51]

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User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24722 times:

Jet2 Heathrow. LOL!


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24658 times:

If some aircraft with poor seating operate longer short haul sectors, we'll hear about it.

User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24640 times:

A list most a.netters could have guessed the airlines I suppose but thanks for the link. Good to see BA doing all it can to get flights away, and a nice contract for these airlines who are supplying the aircraft and crews.

Shame we won't see this operating for BA (well, I seriously doubt it anyway!)



User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24583 times:

Quoting richardw (Reply 2):
If some aircraft with poor seating operate longer short haul sectors, we'll hear about it.

Yup, BA can't win, either slated for not operating a flight, or, if they do, operating it with an aircraft people may complain about!


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24503 times:

Quoting HeeBeeGB (Reply 3):
Shame we won't see this operating for BA

No we wont see it - but we will see their 757 on the LHR-BCN route which has a proper business class so actually an upgrade for regular BA pax!


User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24434 times:

Some of these aircraft may have long flights from their own bases to London, the logistics of these flights could be quite complex, will some park at LHR on Friday evening?

User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24424 times:

Also interesting to see that Openskies will be operating one of the LHR-EWR flights next Monday.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24304 times:

Very interisting week end at LHR for spotters.

Examples for Sat 20 March

All LHR-CDG are cancelled except 1 rotation on Viking 737
LHR-GVA : 4 are operating out of 8 with 2 JET2 757, 1 Transavia 737 and 1 BA A320 Not bad
LGW-GVA : operating as normal
LHR-VIE : all cancelled
LHR-BCN : 2 out of 6 are operating on EuroAtlantic 757
LHR-HEL : all cancelled (obvious)
LHR-ARN : 2 out of 4 with 1 Transavia 737 and 1 BA A320
LHR-ATH : 2 out of 3 on BA A320
LHR-LIS : all cancelled
LHR-ABZ : 1 out 3 services operated by BA A320
LHR-FCO : 2 out of 5 with Titan and EuroAtlantic 767

I can not state everything but some services are provided. What about longhaul?



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24194 times:

Moscow is operated by Arekfly. Their 767's will be a welcome change from the clapped out BA 767's on the route - especially for J pax!

User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24174 times:

Instead of flying in to LHR on Sat morning will some BA aircraft stay parked until the strike is over?

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4677 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24174 times:

Nice list with the usual suspects on there. Quite surprised not to see Thomson, Monarch etc on there....

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
I can not state everything but some services are provided. What about longhaul?

I expect them to operate with their own crew, possibly with office staff in the cabin. Crewrotation and costwise it is much easier and cheaper to lease-in short haul flights.



For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
User currently offlineClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23854 times:

Next Saturday's LAX flights appear to be cancelled. I wonder if AA will be sending more flights LHR 's way. Might see some AA at T5?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22773 times:

All BOS flights are operated. 2 JFK are cancelled while 4 are operated. No flights to LAX, TYO, JNB or TLV but DXB is operated as well SFO. I thought there would be a logic behind the operation : may be flights to routes where a rotation could be done in less than 24h but that is not correct cause BKK, SYD, SFO and SIN are all operated.

KWI, ACC, NBO, 1 out of 2 BOM, HYD, 1 out of 2 CPT, DAR, 2 out of 3 IAD, DEN, YVR, LAS, ATL, 1 of 2 YYZ, 1 out of 2 PHL, all EWR flights (though one is operated by OpenSkies) are operated.

No DEL, BAH, DOH, CAI, TIP, LUN, YUL, IAH, MIA, PHX flights.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 871 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22579 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 13):
SIN are all operated

BA SIN flights are not operating. The only flights to SIN are QF operated services.


User currently offline02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22598 times:

This is what I've spotted for Sunday 21st so far:

LHR-ARN ... BA780 ... Transavia ... B737

LHR-BCN ... BA484 ... Euro Atlantic Airways ... B757-200
LHR-BCN ... BA486 ... Euro Atlantic Airways ... B757-200

LHR-BRU ... BA392 ... Viking Airlines ... B737-800

LHR-CDG ... BA316 ... Viking Airlines ... B737-800

LHR-DME ... BA872 ... Arkefly ... B767-300ER

LHR-DUS ... BA936 ... Titan Airways ... B757-200
LHR-DUS ... BA938 ... Transavia ... B737

LHR-FCO ... BA548 ... Titan Airways ... B767-300ER
LHR-FCO ... BA556 ... Euro Atlantic Airways ... B767-300ER

LHR-FRA ... BA902 ... Euro Atlantic Airways ... B767-300ER
LHR-FRA ... BA912 ... Transavia ... B737

LHR-GVA ... BA726 ... Jet2.com ... B757-200
LHR-GVA ... BA732 ... Transavia ... B737
LHR-GVA ... BA734 ... Jet2.com ... B757-200

LHR-LCA ... BA662 ... Euro Atlantic Airways ... B757-200

LHR-LIN ... BA564 ... Astraeus ... B757-200

LHR-LYS ... BA360 ... Jet2.com ... B737-300
LHR-LYS ... BA362 ... Titan Airways ... B767-300ER

LHR-MUC ... BA948 ... Transavia ... B737
LHR-MUC ... BA950 ... Jet2.com ... B757-200
LHR-MUC ... BA954 ... Astraeus ... B757-200

LHR-MXP ... BA566 ... Jet2.com ... B737-300

LHR-NCE ... BA344 ... Titan Airways ... B757-200

LHR-OSL ... BA762 ... Jet2.com ... B737-300
LHR-OSL ... BA766 ... Jet2.com ... B737-300

LHR-STR ... BA918 ... Jet2.com ... B737-300
LHR-STR ... BA920 ... Jet2.com ... B737-300

LHR-TXL ... BA982 ... Astraeus ... A320-200
LHR-TXL ... BA986 ... Astraeus ... A320-200



Next Up: Back to the US - Charlotte & Kansas City
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22301 times:

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 7):
Also interesting to see that Openskies will be operating one of the LHR-EWR flights next Monday

I don't think they are. Openskies cannot be used as BA strike breakers that was the agreement when the flights first started.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22193 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 16):
I don't think they are. Openskies cannot be used as BA strike breakers that was the agreement when the flights first started.

Well according to BA.com, the last EWR flight is operated by OpenSkies.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6092 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22121 times:

Should make for a once in a lifetime photo shot of tails at T5


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21792 times:

I knew openskies would get used, they have a very good charter operation so it was inevitable.

Wish I was working in T5 to see all the different planes there, but im over in T3 so will at least see 1 or 2 different aircraft.


User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21678 times:

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 7):
Also interesting to see that Openskies will be operating one of the LHR-EWR flights next Monda

That would indeed be nice flight to be on.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21686 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 17):
Well according to BA.com, the last EWR flight is operated by OpenSkies

Does this mean everyone in Y gets an upgrade or will the EC flights only have BA CW customers onboard?
I am suprised BA havn't given training to openskies cabin crew to crew the 744s/777s to keep the NY flights in the air. I was under the impression 757s could not operate from T5 which could be a problem seeing that half the revised timetable will be 757s  


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21399 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 21):
I was under the impression 757s could not operate from T5 which could be a problem seeing that half the revised timetable will be 757s  

757s can operate from T5, just they have to be loaded a different way (cargo and luggage) Many a time over the past 2 years have I seen a 757 suddenly appear at T5 operating a flight.


User currently offlineAeolus From Mexico, joined Aug 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21288 times:

Is this only affecting Intra-European flights?
Any word on Transatlantic routes?

My cousin is traveling on Wednesday on the BA243 LHR-MEX... Will she be affected by these cuts?
When do they start cutting the frequencies?

-Aeolus



Flying under the clouds above!
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21269 times:

Quoting Aeolus (Reply 23):

Will effect the whole BA network when its happening.

Wednesday will be fine though. Keep updated with BA.com for the latest news


25 oa260 : Head of BA pilots has told Sky News he will be able to operate all 777's and extended flying hours .
26 par13del : So if BA is already planning their substitutes and one assumes that deposits have to be paid in short order, it is safe to assume that there will be n
27 BA174 : I wonder with the flight normally being a 777 how they will select 60/72 from the flight to fly on the OpenSkies plane. I take it the F pax will prob
28 vv701 : On an AA flight or flights?
29 BALHRWWCC : All Y pax booked on the BA flights now being operated by EC have been accomadated on the earlier service. The EC flight will carry pax holding F, J a
30 Post contains images 7673mech : [quote=BALHRWWCC,reply=29]Somehow I think that config will be more comfortable than what Arkefly are gonna be offering. That's what I was thinking. Ar
31 yodobashi : Don't bank on it being once in a lifetime; if this ill timed industrial action continues for very long, BA will be a thing of the past and T5 will lo
32 JRadier : ArkeFly offers 12C95Y+165Y
33 ANstar : Well I am guessing that there is not going to be such a huge turn out for strikers and BA will be able to operate many more flights the following str
34 BasilFawlty : No, 2-2-2 in C and 2-3-2 in Y+ and Y.
35 borax : Indeed; I believe its the BA183/184 operated by BOS. Going to be a hell of a job getting all those aeroplanes painted up in time!
36 Post contains links richardw : Arkefly interior, looks OK http://www.airliners.net/photo/ArkeF...d=a01b2ebca72e5fadd9a8f7a1161aec8a
37 laca773 : Did they cancel LAX because they can't find a charter that has the range to do transatlantic west coast flights? Any chance we'll see AA add some extr
38 richardw : Some TUI airlines' B767 have Y 2-4-2 seating. BA B767 have Y 2-3-2 seating and are more comfortable.
39 JRadier : Don't forget that LHR-LAX is a hog on crew recources. Doing one trip already costs you 2 crews, but if you do more you need 3 crews. One flying, one
40 vv701 : Possibly. But there are two other factors that could impact whether or not to cancel LAX. One, of course, is demand. The other is alternative routing
41 sankaps : I must be really unlucky then, as I fly BA on these flights frequently (~12 round-trips over the last 6 months or so), and only lucked upon the long
42 Richard28 : which begs the question as to whether the Oneworld members (or other airlines for that matter) will be bringing in larger metal to LHR over the strik
43 richardw : Is this the first time that their B744 fleet (50+ aircraft) is grounded? Where will they park them?
44 ANstar : Shorthaul ones dont get the best reviews from wet floors near the bulkheads to looking rather dated and shabby on the inside.
45 Speedbird2155 : The 747 fleet isn't grounded. Most of the fleet will position to out stations to operate flights back to the UK as the crew can only strike when in t
46 richardw : So how many do you think will be in the air at 1600hours GMT Sunday 21st March 2010?
47 Tristarsteve : Most of them. They will continue to fly as freighters during the strike.
48 pictues : us the YVR flights have not been cancelled, they are operated by B747-400's
49 lukeyboy95 : Can I ask a few niggling questions; First, will OneWorld members sort of be coming to the 'rescue' of BA? It would act as a sign of solidarity to the
50 blueflyer : There are several cabin/cockpit crew leasing outfits around the world for both long and short term contracts, but they rarely if ever can get on an a
51 laca773 : Thank for the information, JRadier & w701. It would be interesting to see what the load factors are looking like for BA's LAX services. Their LAX
52 MYT332 : From my sources I can say that, tentatively, we have at least following positioning flights on 19th March with BA flight numbers. From MAN: 1x752 1x7
53 richardw : Can they have PAX on the positioning flight from their base to LHR?
54 MYT332 : No, not passengers. Insurance is one thing.
55 JRadier : Why? If there is crew on board, and the operating carrier arranges for handling and the likes there is no issue.
56 antonovman : [quote=richardw,reply=53]Can they have PAX on the positioning flight from their base to LHR? No, not passengers. Insurance is one thing. If you put pa
57 LJ : The Dutch union for cabin crew will write a letter to Transavia and Arkefly not to operate any flights for BA. They (the union) feel that operating an
58 BALHRWWCC : BA have announced they will be adding to the strike schedule. Anyone any idea of what flights are being re-instated??
59 lhr380 : A MAN has appeared, and there seems to be an extra JFK. Thats all I have seen so far I hate that word and I hope the airlines ignore the dutch union
60 BALHRWWCC : Correct some 744's will operate during the strike. However these flight will be operated by BA cabin crew who are either not in the union or who are
61 BP1 : What service is being planned to/from the USA during the strike? Cheers, BP1
62 vv701 : You will find most of the answers here: However since the above was posted it is suggested that one of the two cancelled JFK flights will operate.
63 AirNZ : No, they have not, as to do so would be in clear violation of United Kingdom law. How many times must this be stated? Such a company as you suggest w
64 vv701 : So it is clearly not "hired" but "or something". And the "or something" is that they have trained up around 1,000 BA staff volunteers (from pilots to
65 richardw : Will any of these charters do their base - destination - LHR - destination - their base?
66 Someone83 : And BA has just signed a reprotection agreement with SAS and will offer their passengers to be rebooked with SAS on flights between UK/Ireland and Sca
67 david_itl : Monarch, Ryanair and Czech Airlines are also helping out.
68 lhr380 : Are they!!!!!
69 Post contains links david_itl : seeing is believing!
70 lhr380 : Thats a once in a life time thing, FR at LHR operating for BA, im shocked lol. Where are they operating too? Im trying to look now.
71 david_itl : BA's added services but I can't find schedules for MRS, BLQ and GOA. Perhasps these are candidate cities?
72 lhr380 : MRS is operating over the 3 day strike.
73 Sketty222 : Do you have a source on this? normally we get an email here at BA with what carriers are helping us out ie rebooking and charter operators cheers Lee
74 Post contains images EI320 : See Reply 69
75 richardw : Might not be STN/LTN based FR aircraft.
76 lhr380 : As hard as it is to believe Lee, its on ba.com!!!!
77 Post contains images Sketty222 : Apologies, that'll teach me to read a thread before commenting It doesnt surprise me in the slightest
78 richardw : Would be interesting if U2 operated a former GT A320/21 that's going to BA on one of these flights.
79 Post contains links JRadier : The CEO of ArkeFly has already indicated that he was surprised by the news as he hasn't heard any protests from either the VNC (Cabin Crew Union) or
80 lhr380 : Yes, saw that in another thread, really good news..
81 Post contains images al2637 : FR supplied aircraft to EI a few years back to cover a strike.... guess who was CEO of Aer Lingus at the time! So I assume it's not the first time the
82 BasilFawlty : Euro-OPS ex. LHR. for Satuday 20th, Sunday 21st and Monday 22nd: Aberdeen BA 1306 A320 BA 1312 A320 BA 1318 CXD BA 1306 A320 BA 1312 CXD BA 1316 CXD B
83 BasilFawlty : And as said, Euro-OPS ex. LGW. for Satuday 20th, Sunday 21st and Monday 22nd: Amsterdam BA 8111 B734 BA 8113 B734 BA 8119 CXD BA 8113 B734 BA 8117 CXD
84 lhr380 : Would have been interesting to see FR at LHR lol
85 Post contains images MYT332 : Urgh, more FR at MAN. I thought they got the idea already we don't want them here!
86 Post contains links and images HeeBeeGB : Obviously if you have spare aircraft and crew etc then you can make money by chartering to BA but it is funny how FR are helping to keep BA flying on
87 Vasu : Will the wetleased aircraft operate with BA-style service? Would be very interesting to see complimentary food and drinks on FR!
88 KristiaanD : Yes they will. They have received a service guide for the flights including some other operational procedures belonging to the BA flight operations.
89 lukeyboy95 : Ah - I now understand that they can't bring outsourced staff in. Thanks for clarifying that... However I do not appreciate the condescending tone of
90 danfearn77 : Ha i know it made me chuckle!
91 AirNZ : My apologies, but I was not attempting to be in any way condescending or rhetorical. My response was in regard to (and it just happened to be yoursel
92 Richard28 : So FR, who keep bleeting about being a cheap airline, offer rescue fares at £69.99 single!! that's more expensive than many BA shorthaul flights....
93 bmibaby737 : Will British Airways be parking any of their aircraft at any other airports during the strike?
94 M6480 : Knowing what FR PR is like I would guess that they are planning a new jingle after each chartered flight lands saying ‘you should have flown with us
95 kl911 : But never a few days before departure. 69,99 is quite good for a ticket on such short notice.
97 avek00 : There used to be such Mutual Aid pacts among airlines, but in modern times such agreements would run afoul of antitrust and labor laws. Sure, affecte
98 BA174 : Will we see any of their long-haul planes being parked in the regions?
99 richardw : That's a long flight from YYC!
100 Post contains links Talaier : BA will only operate the two/three daily frequencies mentioned before from BCN, none from AGP and only one from MAD (early 7.15am on Saturday to repos
101 Viscount724 : BA website flight information displays show BA103 LHR-YYC on March 20 as cancelled, but the return flight BA102 YYC-LHR the same day is shown as opera
102 Tristarsteve : The flight is not cancelled. It is operating with freight only, like 90pc of BA long haul fleet. So it shows canx in ba.com as it is not for sale.
103 Vasu : Oh... so a lot of the BA planes ARE operating as normal tomorrow but without PAX?
104 tonymctigue : You have to laugh at the irony of FR operating services for BA. Can you imagine what a shock to the system it will be for those who are accustomed to
105 Vasu : Haha... but would there not be some sort of clause in the agreement preventing this?
106 david_itl : Have you checked thier website?
107 tonymctigue : I have but that is but a walk in the park compared to what Micheal O'Leary is capable of. He is probably thinking more along the lines of recording a
108 UAL747 : They are changing onboard service on some of their international flights as well. From what I'm reading on the website, and I pulled up the DFW-LHR fl
109 AAMD11 : That's probably because, if I'm not mistaken, the long haul flights that do operate (on 777s) will be staffed heavily with volunteer flight crews who
110 richardw : FR are operating BA domestic class flights, so no chance of BA business class moaning.
111 Post contains links oa260 : Good to see more flights re instated. British Airways Cabin Crew Strike Begins British Airways cabin crew have begun a strike that will upset travel p
112 AirNZ : But then you're forgetting that a plane is merely a means of getting from A to B, and nothing else. Personally, I think it's more of a shock to the s
113 tonymctigue : Fair point but not everyone sees it as simply as that. I'm sure though that many people who fly FR will just be glad to get where they are going.
114 Post contains images gkirk : And quite possibly choose FR over BA next time
115 ManuCH : Please remember that this thread is about the BA wet lease charters - it's not yet another Ryanair bashing thread. Thank you.
116 holidaycharter : Anyone know what flights Monarch are operating on?
117 spud757 : not if they are flying domestic with onward connections from LHR
118 AirNZ : Why not? One certainly does not need the same airline to connect to any other airline! Incidently, Ryanair fly more domestic routes in the United Kin
119 lhr380 : From his comment, im actually thinking he meant flying FR, with a BA flight number! Being glad to get to their destination with out it being cancelle
120 Byrdluvs747 : LOL are you kidding? FR doesn't fly to LHR.
121 gkirk : Ok, they can choose the likes of Emirates, KLM, Air France and Lufthansa from the regions.
122 HeeBeeGB : Is quite useful if the connecting flight is late or similar problem as you'd be on the same ticket (doesn't have to be same airline all the way throu
123 Post contains images Viscount724 : A CNN report on the strike includes the following photo showing 4 chartered aircraft at T5 - two Jet 2, one Transavia, and the all-white A320 is proba
124 Post contains images Rivet42 : To update the list quoted above, I have seen the following operating BA LHR flights at some point today (Sunday) via ACARS...: CS-TFT B.767 Euro Atla
125 AirNZ : Yes, it is useful but not necessary whatever and which was the direct, but incorrect, implication contained in the post I answered (considering FR do
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