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Kingfisher Airlines To Start 8 New Int'l Routes  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20678 times:

According to Kingfisher Airlines;

With DEL - HKG and DEL - LHR already announced. Here are 8 new international routes that will be started by IT from this summer.

Kingfisher Airlines To Start DEL - LHR (by ojas Feb 16 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4714957&searchid=4714957&s=kingfisher+airlines#ID4714957

Starting 7th April

IT 031 DEL - HKG 2345 0740+1 5hrs25mins ex - Tu
IT 032 HKG - DEL 1815 2145 6hours ex - We

Aircraft: A330-200

Rivals: CX (daily A330 + daily via BKK); AI daily A310/B777; 9W daily A332

Starting 17th April 2010

IT 023 BOM - BKK 1300 1850 4hrs20mins
IT 024 BKK - BOM 0830 1120 4hrs20mins

Rivals: TG ( daily B772 + 3 weekly A300); 9W double daily B738; CX 3 weekly B777/A330; daily IC A321

IT 025 DEL - BKK 0130 0715 4hrs15mins
IT 026 BKK - DEL 2000 2245 4hrs15mins

Rivals: TG ( daily B773 + daily A300/A333); 9W daily B738; CX daily A330; daily IC A321

Starting 24th April 2010

IT 041 DEL - DXB 1925 2125 3h30mins
IT 042 DXB - DEL 2240 0350+1 3h40mins

Rivals: EK -- 4 daily flights ( 14 weekly A332 + 14 weekly assorted B777s); AI -- 2 daily A321s; 9W-- daily B738s ; Z5 -- 3 weekly MD 82 ( they are suspending their operations temporarily)

IT 043 BOM - DXB 2030 2200 3 hours
IT 044 DXB - BOM 2315 0345 +1 3 hours

Rivals: EK 5 daily ( 21 weekly B777s + 7 weekly A332 + 7 weekly A345); 9W double daily B738; AI double daily A321.

IT 065 DEL - KTM 1330 1525 1hr40mins
IT 066 KTM - DEL 1040 1205 1hr40mins

Rivals: 9W double daily B738; S2 7 weekly; RA daily B757; IC double daily A320 and one more LCC from Nepal.

IT 067 BOM - KTM 0630 0930 2hrs45mins
IT 068 KTM - BOM 1635 1900 2hrs40mins

Rivals: 9W daily B738

Aircraft: A320

All the above routes will be operated by 2 class A320 and daily.


With these new flights Kingfisher Airlines will establish the following new int'l to int'l connections

* LHR-BOM-BKK and v.v

* LHR-DEL-KTM and v.v

* DXB-BOM-KTM and v.v

[Edited 2010-03-15 15:14:34]


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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20184 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Rivals: CX

With IT joining oneworld, CX an IT could partner up. How accomodating are the Hong Kong and Indian transportation authorities in allowing JBVs (Joint Business Ventures) betwen carriers in the region?

AA1818



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20117 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Starting 17th April 2010

IT 023 BOM - BKK 1300 1850 4hrs20mins
IT 024 BKK - BOM 0830 1120 4hrs20mins

Rivals: TG ( daily B772 + 3 weekly A300); 9W double daily B738; CX 3 weekly B777/A330; daily IC A321

IT 025 DEL - BKK 0130 0715 4hrs15mins
IT 026 BKK - DEL 2000 2245 4hrs15mins

Looks like the schedule enables IT to use just one aircraft for the above routes--excellent fleet utilization.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19626 times:
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Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
IT 043 BOM - DXB 2030 2200 3 hours
IT 044 DXB - BOM 2315 0345 +1 3 hours
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
IT 041 DEL - DXB 1925 2125 3h30mins
IT 042 DXB - DEL 2240 0350+1 3h40mins

First, do I read this correct in that both are A320's?

I'm curious if IT has any Oneworld connections at DXB they could exploit? I have trouble coming up with connections off the top of my head that wouldn't already have excellent non-stop service from BOM and DEL.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 19152 times:

I wonder if we could see IT in Australia over the next couple of years? I am still surprised that we don't see an Indian carrier here in MEL or in SYD, I understand that QF can't because it would be uneconomical for the to compete with TG, SQ, and MH on cost basis (although they did have SYD-BOM for a while which has changed to BNE-SIN-BOM), but surely an Indian carrier could? and QF could feed the IT services as well...

User currently offlineskyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17787 times:

I wonder if a flight originating in Bangalore en roue to Australia would make more sense than BOM or DEL. Being further south it would enable people to connect without necessarily having to fly over their intended destination.

Does Bangalore offer good regional connections such as the South of India, Goa and Sri Lanka?


User currently offlineshanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17640 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
IT 023 BOM - BKK 1300 1850 4hrs20mins
IT 024 BKK - BOM 0830 1120 4hrs20mins

Rivals: TG ( daily B772 + 3 weekly A300); 9W double daily B738; CX 3 weekly B777/A330; daily IC A321

IT 025 DEL - BKK 0130 0715 4hrs15mins
IT 026 BKK - DEL 2000 2245 4hrs15mins

Why're the planes standing on the tarmac for over 12hrs in most cities? It's also the case with their BOM-SIN flights. Is there a specific reason for paying so much parking fees?



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User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17545 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Starting 17th April 2010

IT 023 BOM - BKK 1300 1850 4hrs20mins
IT 024 BKK - BOM 0830 1120 4hrs20mins

Rivals: TG ( daily B772 + 3 weekly A300); 9W double daily B738; CX 3 weekly B777/A330; daily IC A321

IT 025 DEL - BKK 0130 0715 4hrs15mins
IT 026 BKK - DEL 2000 2245 4hrs15mins

Contrary to popular belief these planes are not in the tarmac for a VERY long time, this is how it will work I think

IT 023 - BOM - BKK 1300-1850
IT 026 - BKK - DEL 2000-2245

IT 025 DEL-BKK 0130-0715
IT 024 BKK-BOM 0830-1120

Now the question is, why are the Delhi timings better then Bombay timings?

Interesting, but I was really hoping for some competition on the DEL-SIN route!

Edit: Same idea with KTM as well

[Edited 2010-03-16 04:37:37]

User currently offlinefuffla From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17495 times:

It will not be sitting on the ground for that long; see below for utilisation.

IT 025 DEL - BKK 0130 0715 4hrs15mins
IT 024 BKK - BOM 0830 1120 4hrs20mins
IT 023 BOM - BKK 1300 1850 4hrs20mins
IT 026 BKK - DEL 2000 2245 4hrs15mins


User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1116 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17238 times:

Superb news for IT... This is just theexpansion they needed, though they don't half choose uber competitive routes...

The Dubai advatnage may be connecting labourers/ workers in Dubai can fly to almost any destination across India. Even though EK have alot of bases covered, IT may seem a more attractive option and can take people closer to home...

Quoting ag92 (Reply 7):
Now the question is, why are the Delhi timings better then Bombay timings?

BOM timings seem to fit quite well into connecting LHR services which is a really logical connection given how well QR and EK are doing with connecting BKK services. BOM may be their prefered connecting point for BKK passengers, whilst the Delhi market may be able to stand up on its own without the connection as the timings are pretty sweet...



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User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17186 times:

Quoting ag92 (Reply 7):
Now the question is, why are the Delhi timings better then Bombay timings?

The BOM - BKK - BOM flights are timed to connect to BOM - LHR - BOM flight in both directions, which would explain the choice of schedules. Same for DEL - KTM - DEL.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16409 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
First, do I read this correct in that both are A320's?

Yes, 2 class A320s

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
I'm curious if IT has any Oneworld connections at DXB they could exploit? I have trouble coming up with connections off the top of my head that wouldn't already have excellent non-stop service from BOM and DEL.

No, the timings are the best O-D timings on the India - Gulf route which is the top reason. If any connections come in place, well and good.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 9):
BOM timings seem to fit quite well into connecting LHR services which is a really logical connection given how well QR and EK are doing with connecting BKK services. BOM may be their prefered connecting point for BKK passengers, whilst the Delhi market may be able to stand up on its own without the connection as the timings are pretty sweet...

9W offers LHR - BKK through BOM (2 daily options) as well as through DEL. AI offers LHR - BKK through BOM as well as through DEL. It is upto the Indian authorities to promote India more and get more traffic on the LON - BKK sector.



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15643 times:

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 10):
The BOM - BKK - BOM flights are timed to connect to BOM - LHR - BOM flight in both directions, which would explain the choice of schedules. Same for DEL - KTM - DEL.

Understand the scheduling is good from an aircraft utilization standpoint.

But are they also targetting BKK-LHR O&D pax (as the posts above seem to imply)? Why would anyone want to fly BKK-LHR via BOM (or any other intermediate point for that matter), other than what are typically low yield leisure travellers who are attracted by the idea of stopover in India (in which case they would presumably break journey for a few days and therefore the flights do not really need to connect)?


User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15414 times:

Right now 9W is a 77W on both DEL-HKG and BOM-HKG.

User currently offlinetonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14836 times:

When do we expect to see this 5* airline grace the shores of the USA ???

User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13734 times:

Quoting tonyban (Reply 14):
When do we expect to see this 5* airline grace the shores of the USA ???

Maybe wen VJM gets more of his A332 birds  


User currently offlineakhmad From Netherlands, joined Sep 2005, 2486 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13346 times:

How about AMS or CGK?


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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13284 times:

Quoting skyhigh (Reply 5):
I wonder if a flight originating in Bangalore en roue to Australia would make more sense than BOM or DEL. Being further south it would enable people to connect without necessarily having to fly over their intended destination.

Does Bangalore offer good regional connections such as the South of India, Goa and Sri Lanka?
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 4):
wonder if we could see IT in Australia over the next couple of years? I am still surprised that we don't see an Indian carrier here in MEL or in SYD, I understand that QF can't because it would be uneconomical for the to compete with TG, SQ, and MH on cost basis (although they did have SYD-BOM for a while which has changed to BNE-SIN-BOM), but surely an Indian carrier could? and QF could feed the IT services as well...

= 9W can get better yields by feeding QF at SIN from various points in India. I would expect more 9W 738 flying to SIN from other parts of India in the next few months.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 16):
How about AMS or CGK?

= IND-AMS traffic is minimal. I think you'll see BOM-CGK soon ... though, probably from GA.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13167 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
= 9W can get better yields by feeding QF at SIN from various points in India. I would expect more 9W 738 flying to SIN from other parts of India in the next few months.

Im sure that QF and 9W wwill begin winding down their relationship as IT is expected to join oneworld next year!
IT will hopefully start to get feed from CX, QF, BA and AA.

AA1818



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User currently offlineblrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13084 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 15):
Maybe wen VJM gets more of his A332 birds

Does IT have more A332's on order book?



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 18):
Im sure that QF and 9W wwill begin winding down their relationship as IT is expected to join oneworld next year!
IT will hopefully start to get feed from CX, QF, BA and AA.

AA1818

= That would be logical ... perhaps 9W launches DEL-MEL ...

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12559 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
I think you'll see BOM-CGK soon ... though, probably from GA.

I had heard that it was 9W, not GA ...

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
I would expect more 9W 738 flying to SIN from other parts of India in the next few months.

It would be interesting to know what points 9W selects ... maybe CCU, HYD.



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9762 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 20):
That would be logical ... perhaps 9W launches DEL-MEL ...

'
I think this is a very viable option or other combinations of Australia and India SQ, TG and EK for sure all transport huge amounts of Indian bound pax, many Indian nationals do they have a distinct preference for Indian carriers at all? I feel this is a hugely untapped market for Indian carriers whos lower coste will allow them to make preofits that QF can't!


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9687 times:

Quoting blrBird (Reply 19):
Does IT have more A332's on order book?

I dont think so.....


User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9494 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 23):
I dont think so.....

Didnt he convert certain A34X orders into A33X


25 WINGS : Airbus lists Kingfisher as having the following wide-body's on order. A330-200 x 15 A345-500 x 2 A350-800 x 5 A380-800 x 5 Regards, Wings
26 VIDP : Bingo any clue when are the deliveries scheduled.
27 Cricket : IT's next batch of Airbus A330's are scheduled for next year IIRC. Not a bad plan, but sad to see that IT has abandoned making BLR their international
28 LondonCity : It does seem logical but are there as many members of the Indian middle classes travelling nowadays ? I thought the economic downturn had depressed t
29 behramjee : They should order few A 333s and use them instead of the A 332 on the flagship India-LHR routes as those routes can easily take on the extra capacity
30 sankaps : Isn't the conventional wisdom that there is too much capacity already on India-LHR though?
31 BeyondBristol : Just a curious question for those with BA/QF knowledge...how well do the BKK flights connect with BA/QF Australia services?
32 AirNiugini : Qantas have flown a direct SYD - BOM flight in the past, but have now switched to BOM via SIN. Is this because it was unprofitable? or is it just log
33 smi0006 : I was under the impresion that it was unprofitable, did they still have the tech stop in DRW that they had at some point? I remember oneway they did.
34 Post contains images AirNiugini : Yeah man, I think QF can only make it viable to go via SIN to open up the market to the rest of Australia with its connections. Considering there is
35 smi0006 : I wonder how Indian pax would react to JQ considering the service offered by IT and 9W on domestic flights? Does anyone have any insight?
36 ojas : Slight corrections to the BKK schedule; which is 6 weekly and not daily IT 023 BOM - BKK 1305 1905 4hrs20mins IT 024 BKK - BOM 0830 1125 4hrs25mins I
37 ojas : Another correction to the above: BOM/DEL - KTM will be a single class operation (all Economy A320)
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