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What A/c Is Likely To Replace DL 744 Fleet?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3649 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14329 times:

After UA decided to replace their 744s with A350 900XWBs, I was thinking, that DL 744 fleet is older than UA 744 fleet. DL may have plans to replace their 744 fleet, so I wonder, what would be the best a/c to replace DL 744 fleet?


My vote: 748I, A350 1000XWB and I personally hope not, but 77W. I pulling for 748I or A350 1000XWB.

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14277 times:

Delta has no current plans to replace their 744s.

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14246 times:

If and when it happens expect the 777-300ER.


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14027 times:

380's please, you just can't beat that smooth quiet ride!!

User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

I doubt any US airline ever needed the 380, but maybe 748i could be a possibility, especially with old NW having a long history with the 747

User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13529 times:

No US Carrier needs the 744 with 4 wastefull engines and fuel is going up and up...and up and up

You will see them all parked next to JAL's 744's at VCV within 2 years...


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3212 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13496 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I was thinking, that DL 744 fleet is older than UA 744 fleet. DL may have plans to replace their 744 fleet,

The mean fleet age is actually younger than that of UA's 744 fleet.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):
No US Carrier needs the 744 with 4 wastefull engines and fuel is going up and up...and up and up

Yes, up and up!!!.... as it dips back down below 80/bbl today.

Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):
You will see them all parked next to JAL's 744's at VCV within 2 years...

Try again, ye great fortune-teller.

They'll be refitted with new interiors over the next 18 months...

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=870

[Edited 2010-03-15 23:52:48]

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5980 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13409 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I was thinking, that DL 744 fleet is older than UA 744 fleet. DL may have plans to replace their 744 fleet,

The mean fleet age is actually younger than that of UA's 744 fleet.

On average UAs 744 fleet is 2 years younger then DLs...

DLs fleet is 16.4 years old
UAs fleet is 14.8 years old

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Quoting COSPN (Reply 5):
You will see them all parked next to JAL's 744's at VCV within 2 years...

Try again, ye great fortune-teller.

They'll be refitted with new interiors over the next 18 months...

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43...m=870

He might be right DL parked a good number of 763s with the new interior (AVOD ect) if the economy starts to tank again the 744 fleet stands a decent chance of being, at least partially, parked.



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User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13219 times:

Quoting col (Reply 3):
380's please, you just can't beat that smooth quiet ride!!

Not likely since Mr. Anderson already was asked this question, he replied "they (A380) are simply way to big to make money with" I doubt the Next CEO will have a different opinion on this matter.. but who knows.

Since they have already stated that they intend to install lie flat seat in Business class, and AVOD in Y, I seriously doubt they are going to retire the 744 fleet within the next 5-10 years. Its going to take a year just to make the mods to the entire 16 aircraft they have.

I would guess your going to have to wait another 5 years before DL makes any new aircraft orders as they have previously stated that they want to pay down the debt for the next 5 years rather that buy new aircraft and increase their debt.

My bets are on either 77W or the 748's. Highly doubt it will be an airbus since DL hasn't ever ordered airbus aircraft themselves, rather just aquired them through mergers.      


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13103 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 8):
My bets are on either 77W or the 748's. Highly doubt it will be an airbus since DL hasn't ever ordered airbus aircraft themselves, rather just aquired them through mergers.

Actually they have ordered Airbus themselves (A310s) and they like their inherited A330s.

Given the 744s are going to hang around for a while i would say the A351 has a chance.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13075 times:

DL uses these aircraft for Asia flights only. So the answer is to find in what is going on in Asia, not in the US.

Provided the Japanese economy turns around and air travel increases again, slots will be gone soon, will get expensive and the bigger the aircraft the better.

Provided the Japanese economy stays in agonie and air travel remains at current level, then there is no need for extra capacity, the needs of the US side will dominate that dictate higher frequency and I see 777s, maybe even 772ER or 77W.

Since all this is unknown for at least 3 years, they should not bother now.


User currently offlineDelta763 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12935 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 9):
Actually they have ordered Airbus themselves (A310s) and they like their inherited A330s.

The A310s came with Pan Am's European network and were phased out not long after. DL has never placed an order with Airbus.

I'm also putting my money on 777s replacing the 744s... whenever that might be. There seems to be no plan to retire them anytime soon.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12894 times:

Quoting Delta763 (Reply 11):
DL has never placed an order with Airbus.

Yes they have, they ordered 9 A310s straight from Airbus and received them in '93.


User currently offlineDelta763 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12830 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 12):

Yes they have, they ordered 9 A310s straight from Airbus and received them in '93.

I could be wrong, but I thought those were outstanding orders from Pan Am that were delivered after the acquisition.


User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12820 times:

Maybe a dumb question, but I'm only an aviation rookie... I wonder if it's possible to give an older 744 a midlife update with new generation engines and some new enhancements which are relatively easy to incorporate from the 748i?

I mean, Boeing offers the 748i as replacement, but that plane isn't actually selling like a rocket and which the huge number of 744's flying around Boeing could at least expand the life of the 'Queen Mother'... And in that way, keep those customers on board and tackle some potential A380-orders?


User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1160 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12710 times:

Quoting Delta763 (Reply 13):
I could be wrong, but I thought those were outstanding orders from Pan Am that were delivered after the acquisition.

Delta Plans to Buy Its First Planes From Airbus
Aerospace: The order for nine jetliners marks a major victory for the European consortium, which is trying to increase its market share in the United States.
March 10, 1992|From Reuters
PARIS — Airbus Industrie, which has long set its sights on the U.S. market, has won a solid victory with Delta Air Lines Inc.'s order for nine medium- to long-haul A310-300s, industry analysts said Monday.

The order, Airbus' first from Delta, secures the four-nation West European consortium a place with one of the most sought-after airline customers in the United States, they said.

Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
He might be right DL parked a good number of 763s with the new interior (AVOD ect) if the economy starts to tank again the 744 fleet stands a decent chance of being, at least partially, parked.

Not going to happen for the foreseeable future


User currently offlinexzavierrsa From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12529 times:

Hank Halter said recently that the 744 isn't going anywhere soon, maybe up to 16 years. As already stated:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
They'll be refitted with new interiors over the next 18 months...


User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12159 times:

I agree with the above poster, the Asian market recovery will dictate when the 744s are replace and with what A/C(bigger/smaller).


Is just me, or is flying not as much fun anymore?
User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

according to dl cargo , the 777 would be the best replacement they have on hand at the moment.
with the pax load on ATL-HNL they have almost no cargo capacity left.(to many surboards)


User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

DL will not order the A350 or the A380. Most likely they will go for the 777-300 if it happens because it will keep pilot commonality with the existing 777s in the fleet. DL could use multiple 787 flights instead of a 744 flight but the 77W seems most probable. Grasping at straws would be the 748, if DL finds they need something the size of the 744 I could see them going with the 748 but never the A380

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10550 times:

Here is a list of Delta's mainline payscales (from highest to lowest) established before the DL/NW merger:

747-400 / 777 (all models)
747-200 / 747-200F
787 (all models)
767-400 / A330-200 / A330-300
767-300ER / 767-300A / 757-300 / 757-200
737-900ER / 737-900
737-800 / 737-700
A320 / A319
MD90
MD88
DC9 / 737-300 / 737-200
ERJ-195
ERJ-190 / CRJ-900

Note that this list does not include the 747-8 nor the A380. The A321, A340, and A350 are also absent from this list. If Delta even thought there was a remote chance of ordering some of those aircraft, it would have been pre-negotiated before the merger. Note that Delta doesn't currently operate some these types (such as the ERJ-190/195 and 739/739ER), and some of these types have been retired (such as the 732/733). They even negotiated a mainline CRJ-900 payscale.



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 6):
Yes, up and up!!!.... as it dips back down below 80/bbl today.

I marvel at how quickly $80/bbl oil has been accepted as normal. $80 is the new $30.  



Failure is not an option; it's an outcome.
User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
Delta even thought there was a remote chance of ordering some of those aircraft, it would have been pre-negotiated before the merger.

I think you're reading a little too much into that.


User currently offlineNWA330nut From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

I'm going with the 777W. How does DL even feel about the 747's? Are they happy with them?

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 23):
How does DL even feel about the 747's? Are they happy with them?

Happy enough that they decided to refurbish them with AVOD nose to tail, refit the Biz class with new lie flat seats, and keep them for the foreseeable future.


25 dl767captain : I feel like they're happy enough with them since they're redoing the interior which won't be done until roughly 2012. I think DL thought they wouldn'
26 DTWPurserBoy : DL was on the fence about the 744 and then decided (since they were paid for) to keep them. They will also be used JFK-TLV. Remember--it was Richard A
27 1337Delta764 : This myth has been debunked many times before. The CEO is not directly involved in fleet decisions, it is the fleet planners that choose which aircra
28 jfk777 : Since they are refurbishing then, DL is going to keep them a few more years. If they order 77W it would be 2 years before they arrived unless DL boug
29 PRAirbus : Let's hope when the time comes for DL to replace its 744s, the economy has already turned around, travel is booming and yes, the 747-800i would be a s
30 laca773 : This is a very remote chance at best. I see DL going with the 77W with more advanced and fuel efficient engines (should have them by that point and t
31 jfk777 : The 77W would be the obvious choice for so many reasons, since Delta has a growing fleet od 777LR's. The 777LR and the-300ER(77W) are the same plane
32 Delta763 : I stand corrected. I still don't think they'll order any Airbus widebodies in the foreseeable future. Exactly. The 310 order in '92 made sense becaus
33 airbuske : To my knowledge, that is incorrect. NW was still making payments to the lessors of the aircraft. As glad as I was to hear the about the BOD's vote on
34 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : DL will never order new Airbuses - just wont happen. Doesnt matter if the A350-1000 will be the better/newer/more efficient choice for them when they
35 474218 : DL operated the TriStars five (5) years longer than any other operator (except BW that had no money for replacement airframes. NW operated the DC-9 te
36 FFlyerWorld : This may indeed be true. However, any new aircraft will not see Delta property for a few years according to folks at GO in ATL. That said, a new cont
37 MSPNWA : It's my opinion that by the time the 744s go the replacement won't be a 77W. Both sides of the new airline don't have a significant history of acquiri
38 spacecadet : Indeed, I specifically remember when oil at a sustained $60 per barrel was talked about as a "doomsday scenario". Of course, there's inflation and wh
39 RJ111 : So the A351 has a weaker chance than a plane you've just invented? I agree the 77W is a good fit and the most logical choice at this point in time. B
40 JBAirwaysFan : I see no reason for DL to retire the 744s just yet. It is still a widely used aircraft. United uses it still. The 747 era is far from over.
41 Jetlanta : You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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